[Regia-NA] MR Viking Sword Video Question
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To me it would seem that most of the experiments conducted to recreate the effectiveness of period arms and armor are of very little value. The only way we can ever be sure would be for a couple of volunteers to engage in a slug match. If period weapons were as wonderful as touted, or armor as useless as exclaimed, after some experiments, then why would anyone want to wear 50 pounds around?
BTW, any word on "Genius of the Vikings" being released any time soon?
Bill
Message date : Nov 25 2003, 09:49 AM
>From : J K Siddorn
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On shields - the experiments we did with an ash wood shield in the summer for National Geographic on "Genius of the
Vikings" showed that a shield that moved only slightly was sufficient to cause a full force blow with an axe to only
scratch the paint.
To make it penetrate for camera, we had to more rigidly mount the shield AND turn the grain so it was in line with the
blade AND double the force of the blow (calculated by the averaging of ten over-the-shoulder blows against a strain
gauged pad placed on a counter top) .
Chopping meat is all very well, but if the meat has wit and a planked shield, things may be otherwise ...............
Regards,
Kim Siddorn
I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me
than a free frontal lobotomy!
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> I know someone else did a posting, but I thought I might put up my opinion. I thought it was mainly tripe. Certainly
it was MR trying to showcase their products, but a lot of the info I thought was ridiculous...like using the point of a
kite shield to stab an opponent in the foot. I was equally unimpressed with the cutting demo on the hunk of meat. It
didn't prove much...you had Mr. Reinhardt using the full force of his arm (even leaving the ground at times to put so
much power into the blow) against a piece of meat sitting on a solid chunk of wood which didn't allow for give. The
round shields with arm straps were ridiculous as something like that will change how the shield is employed. And I
could nitpick the details...no pants on one warrior, no shield bosses on the kites (now, I could be wrong about that
detail myself, but I thought that was a later styling), but it would be best not too.
> Overall, there are a couple of nuggets...like the leg being a very viable and used blow. But in terms of relation to
real combat, I don't think there was any real information. And in realtion to recreation steel combat, it was
practically useless.
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> I would appreciate the input. My family and I are on a very limited
> budget, so I am trying to be a "smart shopper". I hope this doesn't offend
> any fans of MR weapons, but I am a bit leery about the video because I have
> been disappointed with the quality of other products from Museum Replicas.
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> I've got the video, but must confess that I've never actually watched
> it. I would promise to give it the once over this weekend but my VCR's
> are not working. I am planning on trying to get them working soon,
> because I have to thank the wonderful Tracie Brown for staying up and taping
> the Battlefield Detectives episode last Saturday, and I would like to have a
> second look sometime. If I manage to get one (of the three...thank
> goodness for DVD!) working, I'll write up a synopsis.
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<P>To me it would seem that most of the experiments conducted to recreate t=
he effectiveness of period arms and armor are of very little value. T=
he only way we can ever be sure would be for a couple of volunteers to enga=
ge in a slug match. If period weapons were as wonderful as touted, or=
armor as useless as exclaimed, after some experiments, then why would anyo=
ne want to wear 50 pounds around?</P>
<P> </P>
<P>BTW, any word on "Genius of the Vikings" being released any time soon?</=
P>
<P> </P>
<P>Bill<BR><BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #ff0=
000 2px solid">Message date : Nov 25 2003, 09:49 AM <BR>From : J K Siddorn =
<KIM.SIDDORN@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK><BR>To : list-regia-na@lig.net <BR>Copy to : =
<BR>Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] MR Viking Sword Video Question <BR>On shie=
lds - the experiments we did with an ash wood shield in the summer for Nati=
onal Geographic on "Genius of the <BR>Vikings" showed that a shield that mo=
ved only slightly was sufficient to cause a full force blow with an axe to =
only <BR>scratch the paint. <BR><BR>To make it penetrate for camera, we had=
to more rigidly mount the shield AND turn the grain so it was in line with=
the <BR>blade AND double the force of the blow (calculated by the averagin=
g of ten over-the-shoulder blows against a strain <BR>gauged pad placed on =
a counter top) . <BR><BR>Chopping meat is all very well, but if the meat ha=
s wit and a planked shield, things may be otherwise ............... <BR><BR=
><BR>Regards, <BR><BR>Kim Siddorn <BR><BR>I'd rather have a free bottle in =
front of me <BR>than a free frontal lobotomy! <BR><BR><BR>----- Original Me=
ssage ----- <BR>From: <VIKING@INTHEDANELAW.FSNET.CO.UK><BR>To: <LIST-REGIA-=
NA@LIG.NET><BR>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:23 AM <BR>Subject: Re: Re=
: [Regia-NA] MR Viking Sword Video Question <BR><BR><BR>> I know someone=
else did a posting, but I thought I might put up my opinion. I thought it =
was mainly tripe. Certainly <BR>it was MR trying to showcase their products=
, but a lot of the info I thought was ridiculous...like using the point of =
a <BR>kite shield to stab an opponent in the foot. I was equally unimpresse=
d with the cutting demo on the hunk of meat. It <BR>didn't prove much...you=
had Mr. Reinhardt using the full force of his arm (even leaving the ground=
at times to put so <BR>much power into the blow) against a piece of meat s=
itting on a solid chunk of wood which didn't allow for give. The <BR>round =
shields with arm straps were ridiculous as something like that will change =
how the shield is employed. And I <BR>could nitpick the details...no pants =
on one warrior, no shield bosses on the kites (now, I could be wrong about =
that <BR>detail myself, but I thought that was a later styling), but it wou=
ld be best not too. <BR>> Overall, there are a couple of nuggets...like =
the leg being a very viable and used blow. But in terms of relation to <BR>=
real combat, I don't think there was any real information. And in realtion =
to recreation steel combat, it was <BR>practically useless. <BR>> <BR>&g=
t; Bill <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Message date : Nov 15 =
2003, 10:35 PM <BR>> From : Conall <BR>> To : list-regia-na@lig.net <=
BR>> Copy to : <BR>> Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] MR Viking Sword Video Q=
uestion <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>=
> <BR>> I would appreciate the input. My family and I are on a very l=
imited <BR>> budget, so I am trying to be a "smart shopper". I hope this=
doesn't offend <BR>> any fans of MR weapons, but I am a bit leery about=
the video because I have <BR>> been disappointed with the quality of ot=
her products from Museum Replicas. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>=
> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
<BR>> <BR>> Conall <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT=
: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid;=
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- =
Original Message ----- <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e=
4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <BR>> href=3D"mailto:=
VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk">VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk <BR>>=
; <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> To: href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">l=
ist-regia-na@lig.net <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Sent: Saturday, November 15=
, 2003 12:21 <BR>> AM <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA]=
MR Viking Sword <BR>> Video Question <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
; <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I've got the video, but must confess that I've=
never actually watched <BR>> it. I would promise to give it the once ov=
er this weekend but my VCR's <BR>> are not working. I am planning on try=
ing to get them working soon, <BR>> because I have to thank the wonderfu=
l Tracie Brown for staying up and taping <BR>> the Battlefield Detective=
s episode last Saturday, and I would like to have a <BR>> second look so=
metime. If I manage to get one (of the three...thank <BR>> goodness for =
DVD!) working, I'll write up a synopsis. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
; <BR>> <BR>> Bill (Leifr) <BR><BR><BR>______________________________=
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