[Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Axe loops (further thoughts)

[Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC]

My vote...we should do away with them.  No provenance, and most likely =
a
reenactorism.  Our warfare is supposed to be a representation of the =
period.
Thus, if they wouldn't have done it, we shouldn't do it (especially for =
the
sake of our 20th century convenience).  And I think we should also do =
away
with scrams held in a spear's back hand.

Bill





WILLIAM T. TATE, JR., TSgt, USAF
Security Manager
352 OSS/SCSC
DSN 238-4827 (non-secure)



-----Original Message-----
From: J. Kim Siddorn [mailto:kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:52 AM
To: regia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: list-regia-na@lig.net
Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Axe loops (further thoughts)


Look guys, this is a daft conversation. To check on this, take a small,
sharp axe like the one we all carry for chopping wood on site - Sorry? =
-
Well, you should then ;o))

Get out your whetstone and spend ten minutes putting a fine edge on it. =
Now
shove it in your belt - or axe loop if you use one - and go about your =
usual
day's activities.

Are you unsliced at the end of the day? Did you think about much else =
than
the fact you had a razor sharp axe rattling about at your hip or in =
close
proximity to your soft, cringing belly? Well, there's a surprise.

Perhaps we could all advance the cause of Authenticity - let alone that =
of
common sense - unaided and un-nagged - and agree amongst ourselves that =
we
are going to
A.) do away with axe rings
B.) do away with axe loops
C.) make up simple open topped "axe scabbards" into which to shove the
dangerous little beasts. Two bits of stiff leather stitched in such a =
way as
to enclose the blade will do it

Regards,

Kim Siddorn

"Spring in the air?"
"Spring in the air yerself !"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Beal" <fenrirr@tripod.co.uk>
To: <regia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia] Axe loops (further thoughts)


> Ok folks
>
> I am thinging specifically of combat axes here.  It is
> an accepted fact they existed and that since you would
> have your hands full with you spear and shield
> (legally requiring both), imo you have to have
> somewhere to stash it.
>
> Not suggesting you would carry a live axe unsheathed.
> I am with kim that there probably would have been a
> something that protected the carrier from the
> sharpness and the head as a whole from the weather.
> Unfortunateley don=B4t know what that would look like in
> period.  Every attempt at it i have seen has been imo
> fiddley, certainley not something i would want for a
> backup weapon.
>
> My point (bringing this back on point) is do we have a
> clue how these things were carried authentically.
>
> I am not satistied with the idea of the axe being
> stuffed in a belt because it has all the same
> disadvantages (it falls out, digs into you if you fall
> on it, etc) as a loop* but more so as they would have
> far more freedom of movement.  Plus the fact that i
> have to then wear 2 belts (one tight to hold my cloths
> where i want them, and a second especially for my
> axe).
>
> A loop or frog that is the right size gives me better
> acess to my weapon (and i am likeley to want it in a
> hurry, it=B4s a backup weapon for when my spear breaks),
> and reduces problems asosciated with weapon loss.
> Also in the case of axes it would allow me to
> orientate the weapon along the flat of my leg, this
> reduces the bumping problem something chronic.
>
> Not to mention that the loop would use a small strap
> of leather and not require a second set of fittings,
> the penny pinching miser in me likes the economics of
> that.
>
> I would also like to add that the stuff it in your
> belt option is probably a complete bugger for horsemen
> (martin any thoughts on that?).
>
> The same argument could be explored for maces i
> happily agree.
>
> So as i said we got any piccys of blokes with axes (or
> maces) at the hip?  Can they tell us anything?  The
> practice may be a re-enactorism but it is nontheless a
> good idea imo and so might be worth thinking about.
>
> For tools the case is completely different, no tool
> axe would need to be carried in this manner as your
> hands are far less likeley to be full and you don=B4t
> need it =B4quickley=B4 in the same way.  So i=B4m only
> thinking combat axes here.
>
> Hugz
> N.
>
> Please can we ban the metal ones, and think a little
> before we go the whole hog and ban the leather ones.
>
> * (and i am specifically thinking a leather thing here
> as opposed to the nasty chrome bridal rings (ban them
> bean them, i=B4d say burn but i have no idea what they
> are coated with))
>
>
> --- Patrick O'Connell <Brynjolf@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
> > I used to carry my mace through my belt as well. I
> > didn't find it
> > uncomfortable but I suppose it's horses for courses.
> > Have you tried it lying
> > quite flat across your front through the belt?
> > That's the way that worked
> > best for me
> >
> > Cheers Pat
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil" <phils@clara.net>
> > To: <regia@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Regia] Axe loops
> >
> >
> > > I've no problem with banning axe loops (as I don't
> > own a hand axe!). What
> > do
> > > you suggest for a mace? I've carried it sometimes
> > in my belt, but its very
> > > uncomfortable
> > >
> > > Phil



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