[Regia-NA] Time to Vote Me Off the Island
J. Kim Siddorn
list-regia-na@lig.net
Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:22:23 -0000
BLINK!
But we weren't .........
Oh, hell, I'll probably only make it worse, so I'll shut up as well. ;o))
The road to Hell is certainly lined with the very best of all our mutual
intentions, Lori!
Regards,
Kim Siddorn
"Spring in the air?"
"Spring in the air yerself !"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Rael Northon" <lesseley@attbi.com>
To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Time to Vote Me Off the Island
> Hi,
>
> I had sincerely hoped that we could all refrain from "fanning the embers"
> and let the recent flame war regarding my geteld, my research, and
anything
> else that starts with "my . . . " just burn out on its own or we could
bury
> it for now and let someone else dig it up in a far distant future. I've
> apologized more than once publicly, the best way I know how. I got off on
> the wrong foot and irritated the hell out of a lot of people when that was
> never my intention. But, apparently, from a couple of the posts I've just
> read in the last few digests, there are one or two people and maybe more
> waiting in the wings that want to continue justifying their position. Go
> ahead, but please quit jabbing me in the ribs. It hurts like hell, and
I'm
> getting bruises. Since I'm not interested in continuing the debate in any
> way, shape, or form, let me just say this: I give up! I throw in the
towel!
> I bow to your infinite wisdom and experience! You're right and always will
> be! I am wrong and always will be! I know nothing and never will know
> anything! I realize my place is no higher than the ground you walk on.
> What more do you want from me? Please tell me so we can end this. I am
not
> going to put any of my research out on this list, because it is all dredge
> and misinformation and not worthy to be read, nor am I going to write any
> articles for your publication as I am incapable of meeting your high
> standards and have no understanding of the kind of authenticity to which
you
> hold yourself. That it! I'm done! You've won! If you think I'm just a
> little touchy about all this, I think I have reason to be. I am trying
very
> hard not to tick anyone else off, I want nothing more than to get along on
> this list and to learn. If you don't want me here, let me know. Vote me
> off, vote me on, I don't care. Just tell me so I know if I need to
> unsubscribe. So with that said, can we please just drop it, and get on
with
> new issues like the videos that Kim and Martin are talking about. Gads!
> You guys all look like a bunch of deer caught with the car lights on high
> beam.
>
> I remain as ever,
> Lori
>
>
> From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC <william.tate@mildenhall.af.mil>
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:02:37 -0000
> Subject: [Regia-NA] My input...
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>
> A few bits of input, if a little scattered...
>
> In this day of computer communication, as a network/computer tech, I see
one
> of the problems affecting the communications of the recent spate of emails
> about tents. The root of the problem is that there has been a mis-reading
> of the first few emails. Why? Well, emails do not normally carry
> inflection that is present in vocal communications...the mail is quite
> simply incapable of carrying emotion. The only option? The dreaded
> emoticon? I don't like them, so I use them infrequently. By far, the
best
> method we have for defeating the misinterpretation is re-reading any
> confusing bit and asking questions of the originator.
>
> There isn't really a Regia Anglorum and a Regia Anglorum North America.
> These are arbitrary distinctions used for geographically defining
> membership. In all other respects, we are ALL Regia Anglorum. The
> guidelines that apply to someone here in the UK, also apply to Regia
members
> in North America. There aren't two sets of standards.
>
> Lori, I am quite sure that no one intended to insult you. I know the
> persons who offered advice, count on them as good friends, know that they
> meant you no slight, and rely on them as valuable and knowledgeable
> resources. If a person who I know is an expert (at least at our level) in
a
> certain field, I know I can pretty much count on them to be accurate. It
is
> a process of faith. No one can know everything. Regia can count among
our
> academic resources such distinguished persons as Ann Hagen. But along the
> same lines, we are only amateurs and make mistakes too. Accuracy is a
> watchword for Regia. Thorough documentation is a goal that I always set
for
> myself when undertaking a project, not that the two necessarily meet in
the
> end. BUT...the big exemption...if you are using your tent and
representing
> Regia, then you are not doing justice to the standard of excellence Regia
> sets to exceed other SSS's (Superficially Similar Society(ies) ). I will
> shortly be rotating Stateside and it is quite possible that we will meet.
> Should you be in some capacity a representative of Regia and using your
tent
> (although I know you said that isn't your intention...this is just a "for
> instance"), I would be remiss if I didn't point out that your tent was
> incorrect and needed to be removed. Note that it would be done tactfully,
> and not in the old-style, enthusiasm-crushing UK reenactorism, "That's
crap,
> that's crap, and by-the-way, that's crap as well." Fortunately Regia left
> that mind-set with other groups years back. I have made my share of gaffs
> in Regia, but have never met that reaction.
>
> It really can't be said that I am a big SCA fan...my only real beef is it
> bills itself as a reenactment organization, but that is a whole different
> can of worms. Yet, I don't recall anyone saying that persons within the
SCA
> are lacking in skill. It has been repeatedly recognized that there are
some
> in the SCA who have gone to great lengths to produce amazing
> reconstructions, research and documentation, several of them on this
> e-group. I do understand being starved for
> information/documentation/research/resources. Having come from the SCA, I
> was foundering in one attempt after another. It was most miraculous
fortune
> that I was able to come to the UK and join Regia (the funny thing is that
I
> had originally intended to join the NFPS!). However, I realize not
everyone
> is that fortunate. In my observances, though, the difference lies in the
> perspective of the reenactor: most NA reenactors of our time period focus
on
> what were the possibilities, whereas here in the UK it's focus on what was
> the actuality.
>
> The bottom line and reality is: should someone not be able to take
> criticism, or be told "no", then they need to find a different venue. We
> are adults and should be able to handle ourselves in an adult manner. A
> realization must be held that others are good-natured and have no intent
of
> insult, that they do not look down on others because of affiliations, and
> they are only human...prone to mistakes and just as pressed as others
> time-wise, unable to reply to demands instantly.
>
> Bill/Leifr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Message: 6
> > From: "Hazel Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] One More Try
> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:03:22 -0000
> > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >
> > Hi Lori,
> > I have been unavoidably detained away from home for the past 3 days. I
> don't
> > know if you read my e-mail from yesterday but I for one wouldn't want
you
> to
> > apologise either for disagreeing with me or for your research. What I
> would
> > appreciate is for you to share that research with us all. As I pointed
out
> > in my last e-mail, we all make mistakes, we do have disputes in Regia,
and
> > we do share our research to the best of our ability.
> > Hazel
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > From: "Hazel Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Regia NA" <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:01:17 -0000
> > Subject: [Regia-NA] 2 recipes for blue
> > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >
> > Hello everyone,
> > Just in case anyone is interested, I have found two written recipes for
=
> > blue dyeing, both on wool and neither fron Regia's period (one before =
> > and one after,) but it is the best I can manage at the moment.
> > They are contained in 'The Art of Dyeing in the History of Mankind' by =
> > Franco Brunello. English translation made available by Phoenix Dye =
> > Works, Cleveland, Ohio. 1973.
> > Page 98 has the recipe from the 'Papyrus Holmiensis' 3rd century AD. =
> > and p158 has a recipe from 'Trattato del l'Arte della Lana' 15th =
> > century AD.
> > If anyone is still interested in the actual dyeing process, let me know
=
> > and I will put them on here.
> > Please note, this is not the modern process. If anyone wants that, see
=
> > above.
> > Hazel
> .
>
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