[Regia-NA] Time to Vote Me Off the Island

[Lori Rael Northon]

Hi,

I had sincerely hoped that we could all refrain from "fanning the embers"
and let the recent flame war regarding my geteld, my research, and anything
else that starts with "my . . . " just burn out on its own or we could bury
it for now and let someone else dig it up in a far distant future.  I've
apologized more than once publicly, the best way I know how.  I got off on
the wrong foot and irritated the hell out of a lot of people when that was
never my intention.  But, apparently, from a couple of the posts I've just
read in the last few digests, there are one or two people and maybe more
waiting in the wings that want to continue justifying their position. Go
ahead, but please quit jabbing me in the ribs.  It hurts like hell, and I'm
getting bruises.  Since I'm not interested in continuing the debate in any
way, shape, or form, let me just say this:  I give up! I throw in the towel!
I bow to your infinite wisdom and experience! You're right and always will
be!  I am wrong and always will be!  I know nothing and never will know
anything!  I realize my place is no higher than the ground you walk on.
What more do you want from me?  Please tell me so we can end this.  I am not
going to put any of my research out on this list, because it is all dredge
and misinformation and not worthy to be read, nor am I going to write any
articles for your publication as I am incapable of meeting your high
standards and have no understanding of the kind of authenticity to which you
hold yourself.  That it!  I'm done!  You've won!   If you think I'm just a
little touchy about all this, I think I have reason to be.  I am trying very
hard not to tick anyone else off, I want nothing more than to get along on
this list and to learn.  If you don't want me here, let me know.  Vote me
off, vote me on, I don't care.  Just tell me so I know if I need to
unsubscribe.  So with that said, can we please just drop it, and get on with
new issues like the videos that Kim and Martin are talking about.  Gads!
You guys all look like a bunch of deer caught with the car lights on high
beam.

I remain as ever,
Lori


From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC <william.tate@mildenhall.af.mil>
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:02:37 -0000
Subject: [Regia-NA] My input...
Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net

A few bits of input, if a little scattered...

In this day of computer communication, as a network/computer tech, I see one
of the problems affecting the communications of the recent spate of emails
about tents.  The root of the problem is that there has been a mis-reading
of the first few emails.  Why?  Well, emails do not normally carry
inflection that is present in vocal communications...the mail is quite
simply incapable of carrying emotion.  The only option?  The dreaded
emoticon?  I don't like them, so I use them infrequently.  By far, the best
method we have for defeating the misinterpretation is re-reading any
confusing bit and asking questions of the originator.

There isn't really a Regia Anglorum and a Regia Anglorum North America.
These are arbitrary distinctions used for geographically defining
membership.  In all other respects, we are ALL Regia Anglorum.  The
guidelines that apply to someone here in the UK, also apply to Regia members
in North America.  There aren't two sets of standards.

Lori, I am quite sure that no one intended to insult you.  I know the
persons who offered advice, count on them as good friends, know that they
meant you no slight, and rely on them as valuable and knowledgeable
resources.  If a person who I know is an expert (at least at our level) in a
certain field, I know I can pretty much count on them to be accurate.  It is
a process of faith.  No one can know everything.  Regia can count among our
academic resources such distinguished persons as Ann Hagen.  But along the
same lines, we are only amateurs and make mistakes too.  Accuracy is a
watchword for Regia.  Thorough documentation is a goal that I always set for
myself when undertaking a project, not that the two necessarily meet in the
end.  BUT...the big exemption...if you are using your tent and representing
Regia, then you are not doing justice to the standard of excellence Regia
sets to exceed other SSS's (Superficially Similar Society(ies) ).  I will
shortly be rotating Stateside and it is quite possible that we will meet.
Should you be in some capacity a representative of Regia and using your tent
(although I know you said that isn't your intention...this is just a "for
instance"), I would be remiss if I didn't point out that your tent was
incorrect and needed to be removed.  Note that it would be done tactfully,
and not in the old-style, enthusiasm-crushing UK reenactorism, "That's crap,
that's crap, and by-the-way, that's crap as well."  Fortunately Regia left
that mind-set with other groups years back.  I have made my share of gaffs
in Regia, but have never met that reaction.

It really can't be said that I am a big SCA fan...my only real beef is it
bills itself as a reenactment organization, but that is a whole different
can of worms.  Yet, I don't recall anyone saying that persons within the SCA
are lacking in skill.  It has been repeatedly recognized that there are some
in the SCA who have gone to great lengths to produce amazing
reconstructions, research and documentation, several of them on this
e-group.  I do understand being starved for
information/documentation/research/resources.  Having come from the SCA, I
was foundering in one attempt after another.  It was most miraculous fortune
that I was able to come to the UK and join Regia (the funny thing is that I
had originally intended to join the NFPS!).  However, I realize not everyone
is that fortunate.  In my observances, though, the difference lies in the
perspective of the reenactor: most NA reenactors of our time period focus on
what were the possibilities, whereas here in the UK it's focus on what was
the actuality.

The bottom line and reality is: should someone not be able to take
criticism, or be told "no", then they need to find a different venue.  We
are adults and should be able to handle ourselves in an adult manner.  A
realization must be held that others are good-natured and have no intent of
insult, that they do not look down on others because of affiliations, and
they are only human...prone to mistakes and just as pressed as others
time-wise, unable to reply to demands instantly.

Bill/Leifr

----- Original Message -----
> Message: 6
> From: "Hazel  Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] One More Try
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:03:22 -0000
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>
> Hi Lori,
> I have been unavoidably detained away from home for the past 3 days. I
don't
> know if you read my e-mail from yesterday but I for one wouldn't want you
to
> apologise either for disagreeing with me or for your research. What I
would
> appreciate is for you to share that research with us all. As I pointed out
> in my last e-mail, we all make mistakes, we do have disputes in Regia, and
> we do share our research to the best of our ability.
> Hazel
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "Hazel  Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Regia NA" <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:01:17 -0000
> Subject: [Regia-NA] 2 recipes for blue
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
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> Hello everyone,
> Just in case anyone is interested, I have found two written recipes for =
> blue dyeing, both on wool and neither fron Regia's period (one before =
> and one after,) but it is the best I can manage at the moment.
> They are contained in 'The Art of Dyeing in the History of Mankind' by =
> Franco Brunello. English translation made available by Phoenix Dye =
> Works, Cleveland, Ohio. 1973.
>  Page 98 has the recipe from the 'Papyrus Holmiensis'  3rd century AD. =
> and p158 has a recipe from 'Trattato del l'Arte della Lana'  15th =
> century AD.
> If anyone is still interested in the actual dyeing process, let me know =
> and I will put them on here.
>  Please note, this is not the modern process. If anyone wants that, see =
> above.
> Hazel
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