[Regia-NA] Show debate
yolli
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Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:42:39 +0100
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The first convention I would like to examine is that farmers ( which =
covers nearly everyone as a job title ) would put up any resistance to =
Vikings. Wherever the Vikings showed up, they too needed to food etc to =
keep their men on the go, and the place to get this is from the farmers.
Hands up those out there who would rather hand over food and livestock =
rather than tackle the Vikings - especially as they just picked and =
chosen your quiet corner to land? After they had gone on their way =
quietly, you could then turn to the Church or your Lord to recompense =
you for your loss - afterall, you did object didn't you...
The Vikings who were out to line their pockets had little interest in in =
political gain and land control. If you fell into the latter group then =
you would have to expect a different reaction from the resident =
population than to 'nuisance raids' - depending upon the level of =
'nuisance.
The Anglo-Saxons had men designated 'to protect and serve' the =
population in any given district, and if needs be they gathered together =
to fend off and neutralise any Viking incursion. They weren't gathered =
in small mobs. Even they understood the concept of 'outnumbered'. The =
story of Maldon is just such as case in point. You didn't see the =
farmers trying to see off the Vikings - semi professional soldiers ( who =
all owned farms or land by the way ) were obliged by the King to defend =
England with swords and spears not scythes and hoes. The Vikings at =
Maldon didn't get off Scot free either. They had to retire to lick their =
wounds which put a stop to their antics.
Sure we could show raids, but cowing the populace would be fairly easy =
with the odd wounding or death of an individual, but that would be the =
end of the show unless we see the levy getting to grips with the Viking =
raiders at some point. Hence the set piece battle. It would not be much =
of a show if all the fighting men were Vikings out for easy pickings.
I've always favoured the idea of a battle scene where one side turns up =
late or arrives at the wrong place. And it's not as barmy as it sounds =
either.
Roll.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: MIKE LAWSON=20
To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] sword thickness
'Snip'
Thanks to the Wirral for a good show,very relaxing. Whilst there i got =
involved in a conversation where i put forward an argument that Regia is =
doing the battles all wrong in some cases {oh no!I hear?}.When it comes =
to our battles we always portray 2 armies meeting,men in mail,the clash =
of steel on steel but how acurate would that be?I believe that the =
Viking raiders attacked unannouced or with very little warning , giving =
the local lord very little chance to organise any form of defense.The =
lord may have a couple of well armed retainers{?}but by & large the main =
defense must have come from the local population who would have been =
farmers.If the farmers run away they live to fight another day,they also =
have somewhere safe to run unlike there Viking counter parts who are =
there to fight by choice & are generally well armed & armoured & well =
motivated.I believe that this means we ought to do more battles with =
unarmoured Saxon farmers armed with spear & shield &a mp; the occasional =
axe & a couple of blokes in armour versus a load of Viking raider {fewer =
in number than the Saxons?} who are much better armed & armoured.
We all know this aint gonna happen,"i didn't travel 300 miles to be a =
peasent farmer,i'm off to a society that will let me use my fancy kit" =
would be flying around in 2 shakes of a spear & we would loose members =
very quickly.So i put these ideas forward to stir up a debate?
Feedback would be intresting?
Mike
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The first convention I would like to =
examine is=20
that farmers ( which covers nearly everyone as a job title ) would put =
up any=20
resistance to Vikings. Wherever the Vikings showed up, they too needed =
to food=20
etc to keep their men on the go, and the place to get this is from the=20
farmers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hands up those out there who would =
rather hand over=20
food and livestock rather than tackle the Vikings - especially as they =
just=20
picked and chosen your quiet corner to land? After they had gone on =
their way=20
quietly, you could then turn to the Church or your Lord to recompense =
you for=20
your loss - afterall, you did object didn't you...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Vikings who were out to line their =
pockets had=20
little interest in in political gain and land control. If you fell into =
the=20
latter group then you would have to expect a different reaction from the =
resident population than to 'nuisance raids' - depending upon the level =
of=20
'nuisance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Anglo-Saxons had men designated 'to =
protect and=20
serve' the population in any given district, and if needs be they =
gathered=20
together to fend off and neutralise any Viking incursion. They weren't =
gathered=20
in small mobs. Even they understood the concept of 'outnumbered'. The =
story of=20
Maldon is just such as case in point. You didn't see the farmers trying =
to see=20
off the Vikings - semi professional soldiers ( who all owned farms or=20
land by the way ) were obliged by the King to defend England with =
swords=20
and spears not scythes and hoes. The Vikings at Maldon didn't get off =
Scot free=20
either. They had to retire to lick their wounds which put a stop to =
their=20
antics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sure we could show raids, but cowing =
the populace=20
would be fairly easy with the odd wounding or death of an individual, =
but that=20
would be the end of the show unless we see the levy getting to grips =
with the=20
Viking raiders at some point. Hence the set piece battle. It would not =
be much=20
of a show if all the fighting men were Vikings out for easy=20
pickings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've always favoured the idea of a =
battle scene=20
where one side turns up late or arrives at the wrong place. And it's not =
as=20
barmy as it sounds either.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roll.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dolafleifson@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:olafleifson@hotmail.com">MIKE=20
LAWSON</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlist-regia-na@lig.net=20
href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">list-regia-na@lig.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 =
4:33=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Regia-NA] sword =
thickness</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>'Snip'</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks to the Wirral for a good show,very relaxing. Whilst there =
i got=20
involved in a conversation where i put forward an argument that Regia =
is doing=20
the battles all wrong in some cases {oh no!I hear?}.When it comes to =
our=20
battles we always portray 2 armies meeting,men in mail,the clash of =
steel on=20
steel but how acurate would that be?I believe that the Viking raiders =
attacked=20
unannouced or with very little warning , giving the local lord very =
little=20
chance to organise any form of defense.The lord may have a couple of =
well=20
armed retainers{?}but by & large the main defense must have come =
from the=20
local population who would have been farmers.If the farmers run away =
they live=20
to fight another day,they also have somewhere safe to run unlike there =
Viking=20
counter parts who are there to fight by choice & are generally =
well armed=20
& armoured & well motivated.I believe that this means we ought =
to do=20
more battles with unarmoured Saxon farmers armed with spear & =
shield=20
&a mp; the occasional axe & a couple of blokes in armour =
versus a load=20
of Viking raider {fewer in number than the Saxons?} who are much =
better armed=20
& armoured.</DIV>
<DIV>We all know this aint gonna happen,"i didn't travel 300 miles to =
be a=20
peasent farmer,i'm off to a society that will let me use my fancy kit" =
would=20
be flying around in 2 shakes of a spear & we would loose members =
very=20
quickly.So i put these ideas forward to stir up a debate?</DIV>
<DIV>Feedback would be intresting?</DIV>
=
<DIV>Mike</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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