[Regia-NA] Have a Happy.....:-)

Mon Jul 5 22:18:30 EDT 2004

I believe the Briish had already privately concluded that the revolutionary war was unwinnable due to the logistics of transporting continuous large numbers of troops and equipment ( the longer the supply lines the greater the risk of interception) and fighting a guerilla war over such a large area and over an extended time while maintaining a state of sufficient rediness to combat mainland France at any time.
Martin

> 
> From: John Michalski <jmichal2 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/07/05 Mon PM 07:07:09 EST
> To: list-Regia-NA <list-regia-na at lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Have a Happy.....:-)
> 
> Alternative history should ALWAYS be taken seriously.
> We must remember that no past events or current
> situations were/are inevitable! ;-)
> 
> Anway, I remember that back in the '70s 'Time' did an
> alterna-history where the Americans lost the War of
> Independence and Washington, Jefferson, et. al. were
> nicely hanged.
> 
> North America east of the Mississippi and south of the
> 49th Parallel remained a British Dominion. Bourbon
> France, which did not support the Rebels, did not go
> broke and did not have a Revolution, would not sell
> Louisiana so the middle of the continent stayed
> Francais. The west remained Spanish and Alaska
> Russian.
> 
> An Anglo/French alliance flourished on both sides of
> the Atlantic throughout the 19th Century, and Germany,
> confronted with such an overwhelming opponent in 1914,
> decided to behave. Neither World War happened, and
> neither did the Cold War division of Europe.
> 
> Seem implausible? Perhaps. But if you think about it,
> so does the course of events which actually took place
> - IMHO.
> 
> John
> 
> --- Jack Garrett <garrett at pacbell.net> wrote:
> > My two cents on alternative history (All in fun,
> > please don't take it seriously.):
> >  
> > -  Napoleon Bonaparte is unwilling to sell
> > "Louisiana" to the Commonwealth of North America
> > (CNA), even if he does need the money desperately. 
> > France maintains an extended presence in North
> > America, including the province of Quebec.
> >  
> > -  A radical group using "Libert?, Egalit?,
> > Fraternit?" as a rallying cry, attempts a French
> > revolution.  Few pay attention and the effort is
> > quashed.
> >  
> > -  A smaller CNA is less aggressive with Spanish and
> > Mexican possessions (no Gadsden Purchase, no battle
> > of the Alamo, no Mexican War of 1848, no
> > Spanish/American War), with most of the West
> > remaining in shifting Spanish/Mexican/French hands.
> >  
> > -  Without a US driven by "Manifest Destiny", Alaska
> > remains in Russian hands.  North American conflict
> > drains everybody's treasuries.  Continuing
> > Russia/China-type border conflicts in the Northwest
> > Territories.
> >  
> > -  North American borders run North/South rather
> > than East/West.
> >  
> > -  With Germany left out of costly border wars in
> > North America, it wins World War I and occupies
> > France.  Wine quality deteriorates, but the waiters
> > are more courteous.
> >  
> > -  Without a ruinous Treaty of Versailles as a
> > rallying cry, former Corporal Adolph Hitler has an
> > extended career as a wallpaper hanger.
> >  
> > -  Jerusalem is established as the capital of
> > Palestine.  Most of the the Middle East selects the
> > 8th century as a governing model.
> >  
> > -  Without artificial outside support, oil-producers
> > in the Mideast are taken over in time-honored
> > European tradition.  Production is constantly
> > interrupted by border wars.
> >  
> > -  Italy remains largely irrelevant.  Italians
> > continue to create great art and frequent
> > governments.
> >  
> > -  "Colonial" territories in North America form a
> > Union - and squabble about currency for decades.
> >  
> > -  Japan occupies most of the Pacific.
> >  
> > -  China manufactures everything for everybody.
> >  
> > -  Germany puts the first man on the moon.
> >  
> > -  Aliens land in ... well, that's enough for now.
> >  
> >  
> > Jack Garrett
> > Regia Anglorum
> > North America
> > 
> > J K Siddorn <kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > I too raised a glass to our American friends and
> > relations. As revolutions go it was pretty civil.
> > 
> > An interesting "What if ..." for scholars of the
> > period is what if representation had accompanied
> > taxation? A British
> > Empire that included the Commonwealth of North
> > America would have been a very different historical
> > influence in the
> > years that followed.
> > 
> > Comments will be read with great interest at this
> > end!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Kim Siddorn,
> > Regia Anglorum
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> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Garrett" 
> > To: "list-Regia-NA" 
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Have a Happy.....:-)
> > 
> > 
> > > Thanks for the kind thought. I've always been
> > grateful that our founding fathers could draw upon
> > their English
> > heritage for inspiration when deciding how to put
> > together a new country. Most revolutions leave
> > little but discontent
> > and corruption on which to build. We started with
> > deeply held convictions about law, individual rights
> > and the
> > limitations of power.
> > >
> > > Then again, it was useful to take advantage of the
> > ongoing antagonism between the English and French to
> > manage a
> > little independence...
> > >
> > > Independence and peace to all,
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > Hazel Uzzell wrote:
> > > Happy Independence Day to all:-)
> > > I sang a chorus of 'Mine Eyes Have Seen...' along
> > with the Sally Army on
> > > the radio this morning in your honour...I even
> > felt moved to take the
> > > descant part. Fortunately, Ian was out at a show
> > and the cat was safe in her
> > > basket behind the door....!:0
> > > Hazel
> > >
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