[Regia-NA] The shield wall

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I didn't think transoms on specifically *larger* vessels was technologically possible until the early middle ages (Mary Rose) due to the enormous forces incurred in the positioning of the aft rudder in the inherantly weaker transition area of the abrubt squared end. 
Cheers
Martin
> 
> From: "J K Siddorn" <kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Date: 2003/09/15 Mon AM 07:52:49 EST
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] The shield wall
> 
> I know of no merchant or - any other vessel -  from the Viking Age (say 750
> 1100?) with a transom and stern rudder.
> 
> Does anyone else ???
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kim Siddorn
> 
> I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me
> than a free frontal lobotomy!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur" <valhalla_hes@direcway.com>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] The shield wall
> 
> 
> > Greetings!!
> > I have the paperback version of that book. Is the picture of the merchant
> ship
> > on page 92 correct with its rear mounted rudder and flat back?
> >  It does not seem very much like Skuldelev 1, or any other viking ship for
> that
> > matter.
> >
> > Thorkel
> > __________________________________________
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> >
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> > From: Conall [SMTP:conallwolf@multipro.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:41 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] The shield wall
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <wjy851@mail.usask.ca>
> >
> >
> > > I ran across the above article online last week. Does it seem that the
> > author is
> > > perhaps assigning too much formality and discipline to the Viking Age
> > shield
> > > wall? Do you think the average 10th century army could effectively pull
> > off the
> > > different arrangements and layouts?
> >
> > I have an interesting  book called "The Viking Art of War" by Paddy
> > Griffith, Greenhill Books/Lional Leventhal Ltd., London, 1995.  ISBN
> > 1-85367-208-4.  Mr. Griffith was a senior lecturer at RMA Sandhurst for
> > sixteen years and is apparently a fairly noted author on the history of
> > warfare.
> >
> >     In the book he has examined the sagas, Anglo Saxon Chronicle,
> accounts
> > of the Battles of Maldon, Hastings, and other contemporary accounts to
> > discuss whether the "Vikings" did in fact have any formal military
> > organization and if so, what it was.  The author seems to have done his
> > research pretty thoroughly, and he argues pretty convincingly that while
> the
> > Norsemen may not have had the rigid formalized type of military structure
> > that we normaly associate with the Romans, they did in fact seem to have
> had
> > a a relatively standardized type of "basic training" that perhaps
> developed
> > from a cultural basis rather than from any cohesive government.  Also,
> that
> > through common tradition and experience they may have evolved a few sets
> of
> > effective tactics and techniques that may have been somewhat "common
> > knowledge" and possibly widely used.
> >
> >     Just my two silver siggtrygs,
> >
> >     Conall,
> > Going back into the fog.
> >
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