[Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
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Good points, although I can't remember much in difference of muscle usage.
Bill
Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:55 PM
>From : Schuster, Robert L.
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
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Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
The short of it is that SCA
Heavy List appears to be it's own sport. face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
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class=174483715-14102003>-- While this
is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan (admittedly I
don't have as much experience as some of the list
members.)
class=174483715-14102003>I
think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are
very similar.
class=174483715-14102003>The only thing
that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited and the
blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute.
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class=174483715-14102003>The biggest
difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely different
set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.
class=174483715-14102003>When I am done
rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough hip to
generate force, this is something i have been working on.
class=174483715-14102003>When I am done
steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than likely
due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow.
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class=174483715-14102003>Very little
about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I defend
income shots changes from style to style.
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class=174483715-14102003>The one thing
about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that shots
aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie i hold
the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly)
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class=174483715-14102003>When it comes
to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected the speed
to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open face helm
and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving just as
fast is no real issue.
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class=174483715-14102003>This is just my
opinion of course.
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class=174483715-14102003>As for wraps,
while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel
fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take them in
our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would actually
be.
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class=174483715-14102003>I have
experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't land as
would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low in my
experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not documented but
it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very
rare)
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class=174483715-14102003>One must
remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of them are
taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent enough to
get in a killing shot while the person is stunned.
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class=174483715-14102003>Crazy?
yes
class=174483715-14102003>Possible? who
knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where near the
top of my list to steam over;)
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class=174483715-14102003> size=2>Halvgrimr
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<P>Good points, although I can't remember much in difference of muscle usage.</P>
<P>Bill<BR><BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #ff0000 2px solid">Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:55 PM <BR>From : Schuster, Robert L. <SCHUSTERRL@UMSYSTEM.EDU><BR>To : list-regia-na@lig.net <BR>Copy to : <BR>Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>The short of it is that SCA <BR>Heavy List appears to be it's own sport.<SPAN class=174483715-14102003><FONT <br> face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>-- While this <BR>is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan (admittedly I <BR>don't have as much experience as some of the list <BR>members.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I <BR>think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are <BR>very similar.</FONT> </SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The only thing <BR>that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited and the <BR>blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The biggest <BR>difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely different <BR>set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When I am done <BR>rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough hip to <BR>generate force, this is something i have been working on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When I am done <BR>steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than likely <BR>due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Very little <BR>about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I defend <BR>income shots changes from style to style.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The one thing <BR>about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that shots <BR>aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie i hold <BR>the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When it comes <BR>to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected the speed <BR>to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open face helm <BR>and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving just as <BR>fast is no real issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This is just my <BR>opinion of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As for wraps, <BR>while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel <BR>fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take them in <BR>our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would actually <BR>be.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have <BR>experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't land as <BR>would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low in my <BR>experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not documented but <BR>it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very <BR>rare)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>One must <BR>remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of them are <BR>taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent enough to <BR>get in a killing shot while the person is stunned.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Crazy? <BR>yes</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Possible? who <BR>knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where near the <BR>top of my list to steam over;)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN <br>class=174483715-14102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <br> size=2>Halvgrimr</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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