[Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
Schuster, Robert L.
list-regia-na@lig.net
Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:54:49 -0500
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The short of it is that SCA Heavy List appears to be it's own sport.=20
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-- While this is true, having done both types of combat, steel and =
rattan (admittedly I don't have as much experience as some of the list =
members.)
I think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are =
very similar.=20
The only thing that I change when fighting steel is that my target range =
is limited and the blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute.
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The biggest difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an =
entirely different set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.
When I am done rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not =
using enough hip to generate force, this is something i have been =
working on.
When I am done steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is =
more than likely due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow.
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Very little about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the =
way I defend income shots changes from style to style.
=20
The one thing about defense with a shield is to hold the shield =
differently so that shots aren't deflected into my face when the hit the =
face of the shield (ie i hold the top out and let the bottom tip in =
slightly)
=20
When it comes to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I =
actually expected the speed to be much slower. Once you get over the =
idea of fighting in an open face helm and have even the remotest amount =
of trust in your opponent, moving just as fast is no real issue.
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This is just my opinion of course.
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As for wraps, while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in =
Steel fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take =
them in our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they =
would actually be.
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I have experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them =
don't land as would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio =
is very low in my experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest =
and not documented but it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot =
would be very rare)
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One must remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, =
some of them are taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated =
the opponent enough to get in a killing shot while the person is =
stunned.
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Crazy? yes
Possible? who knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its =
no where near the top of my list to steam over;)
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Halvgrimr
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>The short of =
it is that SCA=20
Heavy List appears to be it's own sport.<SPAN =
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>-- While this=20
is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan =
(admittedly I=20
don't have as much experience as some of the list=20
members.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I=20
think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the =
styles are=20
very similar.</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The only thing=20
that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited =
and the=20
blow is pulled (not much though) at the last =
minute.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The biggest=20
difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely =
different=20
set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>When I am done=20
rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough =
hip to=20
generate force, this is something i have been working =
on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>When I am done=20
steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than =
likely=20
due to using more finesse/control and pulling the =
blow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Very little=20
about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I =
defend=20
income shots changes from style to style.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The one thing=20
about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that =
shots=20
aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie =
i hold=20
the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>When it comes=20
to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected =
the speed=20
to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open =
face helm=20
and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving =
just as=20
fast is no real issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This is just my=20
opinion of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>As for wraps,=20
while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel=20
fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take =
them in=20
our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would =
actually=20
be.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I have=20
experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't =
land as=20
would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low =
in my=20
experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not =
documented but=20
it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very=20
rare)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>One must=20
remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of =
them are=20
taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent =
enough to=20
get in a killing shot while the person is stunned.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Crazy?=20
yes</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Possible? who=20
knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where =
near the=20
top of my list to steam over;)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=3D174483715-14102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=3D2>Halvgrimr</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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