Hi Having attended events in NA, I'm afraid that 'Live steel' is a common = term for all steel combat, bluted or otherwise amongst the Leftpondians. Gu=F0ro=F0 Of Colanhomm --ah, but as you know it is a term some of us Leftpondians are trying to = discourage;) You've seen first hand how stubborn some folks are about it;) Halvgrimr