[Regia-NA] Mail?
mik lawson
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Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:41:52 +0100 (BST)
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I believe in war gear the Norse lagged behind thier Europian neighbours in the adoption of longer mail shirts & long shields.1066 is a good date to worry about because i haven't heard any one give an opinion about Norse war gear.Fashions were probably very close in civilian dress & quite possibly it would be difficult to tell Saxon,Norse,Norman or Frank apart on or off the battle field.Lang Seaxs seem to have been a high status Saxon weapon with the same care given to there construction as a sword.The Norweigian verion of the Lang Seax had sword fittings & is refered to as a single edged sword.
Possibly 1042 would be the water shed {although to be honest that date is off the top of my head} where you would find the average Saxon in a long mail shirt & a Norseman in a shorter mailshirt.The Saxon carring the long shield & the Norseman with his old round shield?
If nothing else subsequent replies will reveal any flaws in my knowlege.
mik
Wulfhere se Treowryhta <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:
Flat rectangular sounds more like "was round and got pounded flat to
make a riveting surface". Which makes sense. So, sounds like round wire
with flattened overlaps for the rivets was the order of the day.
Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of
these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow
registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an
option if they were open more than 1 hour a week.
So, I can procure, at reasonable cost, soft steel round section rings
with flattened overlapped ends. The same supplier sells triangular
copper rivets for assembly. Sound reasonable enough for a 10th Century
Saxon?
Bigger question: Are Saxon and Norse weapons and armor of the same
period close enough to be considered one and the same, or at least
pertinent to each other?
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more
>> authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand.
>> Perhaps one of them could answer your questions.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner
> (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.")
> states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section
> from Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a
> chain.
>
> I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that
> "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility
> of some flat rectangular sectioned links."
>
> I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done
> more research on the subject than I have.
>
> Halvgrimr
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<DIV>I believe in war gear the Norse lagged behind thier Europian neighbours in the adoption of longer mail shirts & long shields.1066 is a good date to worry about because i haven't heard any one give an opinion about Norse war gear.Fashions were probably very close in civilian dress & quite possibly it would be difficult to tell Saxon,Norse,Norman or Frank apart on or off the battle field.Lang Seaxs seem to have been a high status Saxon weapon with the same care given to there construction as a sword.The Norweigian verion of the Lang Seax had sword fittings & is refered to as a single edged sword.</DIV>
<DIV>Possibly 1042 would be the water shed {although to be honest that date is off the top of my head} where you would find the average Saxon in a long mail shirt & a Norseman in a shorter mailshirt.The Saxon carring the long shield & the Norseman with his old round shield?</DIV>
<DIV>If nothing else subsequent replies will reveal any flaws in my knowlege.</DIV>
<DIV>mik<BR><BR><B><I>Wulfhere se Treowryhta <wulfhere@masspostroad.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%">Flat rectangular sounds more like "was round and got pounded flat to <BR>make a riveting surface". Which makes sense. So, sounds like round wire <BR>with flattened overlaps for the rivets was the order of the day.<BR><BR>Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of <BR>these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow <BR>registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an <BR>option if they were open more than 1 hour a week.<BR><BR>So, I can procure, at reasonable cost, soft steel round section rings <BR>with flattened overlapped ends. The same supplier sells triangular <BR>copper rivets for assembly. Sound reasonable enough for a 10th Century <BR>Saxon?<BR><BR>Bigger question: Are Saxon and Norse weapons and armor of the same <BR>period close enough to be considered one and the same, or at least <BR>pertinent to each
other?<BR><BR><BR>On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>>><BR>>> Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more<BR>>> authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand.<BR>>> Perhaps one of them could answer your questions.<BR>>><BR>>> Bill<BR>><BR>><BR>> IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner <BR>> (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.") <BR>> states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section <BR>> from Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a <BR>> chain.<BR>><BR>> I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that <BR>> "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility <BR>> of some flat rectangular sectioned links."<BR>><BR>> I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure
he has done <BR>> more research on the subject than I have.<BR>><BR>> Halvgrimr<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> list-regia-na mailing list<BR>> list-regia-na@lig.net<BR>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na<BR>><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>list-regia-na mailing list<BR>list-regia-na@lig.net<BR>http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure!<p><p><br><hr size=1><a href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=8613/*http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_plus/?http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience</font></b></a><br>
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