[Regia-NA] Incorporating?
Douglas Sunlin
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Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:50:52 -0700
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<P>Thanks, Ottar. Yes, Kyrbyr's difficulties with the ECS was the opener for this can of worms. We'll talk.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV><><><> <><><> <><><> </DIV>On manræden,
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<DIV></DIV>Osweald of Baldurstrand
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Jack Garrett <GARRETT@PACBELL.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
<DIV></DIV>>To: list-regia-na@lig.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Incorporating?
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:25:18 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>I incorporated about five years ago to start a software/consulting
<DIV></DIV>>business - in California. We went through an attorney and the process
<DIV></DIV>>wasn't too long or difficult, but it did cost about $2,000. Of course,
<DIV></DIV>>this was a full Class C corporation. We chose that form because it
<DIV></DIV>>provides the greatest protection for the officers, separating the
<DIV></DIV>>company from the individuals from a financial and liability
<DIV></DIV>>perspective. I couldn't tell you how different that would be from
<DIV></DIV>>forming a non-profit corporation (ours is SUPPOSED to be for profit.)
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<DIV></DIV>>We've just gone through incorporating in Delaware with another partner,
<DIV></DIV>>purportedly for Delaware's tax benefits. To make a long story short,
<DIV></DIV>>I'll take California any day. We got an $86,000 tax bill from Delaware
<DIV></DIV>>- this for a corporation that had just been formed and hadn't generated
<DIV></DIV>>a cent in revenue (and still hasn't). Too many intermediaries, too long
<DIV></DIV>>to get things straightened out. The other option was Nevada. Again,
<DIV></DIV>>I'll take bureaucratic, occasionally business unfriendly California. I
<DIV></DIV>>can DRIVE to Sacramento if I have to.
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<DIV></DIV>>I agree that the self-help books are the best way to go. Setting up a
<DIV></DIV>>non-profit shouldn't be too difficult, given the assumption that there
<DIV></DIV>>may not be a lot of money involved. (Words to be eaten later, no
<DIV></DIV>>doubt.) I've got our Articles of Incorporation, again, for a Class C
<DIV></DIV>>corporation, should that help.
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<DIV></DIV>>Assuming that you want to do live steel combat, Osweald, insurance is a
<DIV></DIV>>near-necessity (personal, not well-informed opinion.) But ... why don't
<DIV></DIV>>you make this a second step, since just forming the non-profit
<DIV></DIV>>corporation opens up some nice avenues of recognition and an aura of
<DIV></DIV>>professionalism when you need to get a hall or park? Our friends from
<DIV></DIV>>the Empire and Chivalry and Steel would be a good information source,
<DIV></DIV>>since they have already researched and acquired insurance - in the US.
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<DIV></DIV>>Hope that helps. I can't volunteer to lead the effort, but I'll help as
<DIV></DIV>>much as I can.
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<DIV></DIV>>Ottar/Jack
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<DIV></DIV>>Douglas Sunlin wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> > The SCA is hardly our enemy; a better term might be rival. Regia and
<DIV></DIV>> > the SCA go about things in an entirely different manner; the SCA
<DIV></DIV>> > really doesn't do living history/re-enactment as a general thing. If
<DIV></DIV>> > are are suggesting we become a subgroup of the SCA, then I really
<DIV></DIV>> > doubt that would be in the best interest of Regia Anglorum. I know
<DIV></DIV>> > there are other Scadian groups that have incorporated separately. In
<DIV></DIV>> > the final analysis, incorporation is like making chainmail, the
<DIV></DIV>> > process is simple but tedious. ;)
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<DIV></DIV>> > <><><> <><><> <><><>On manræden,
<DIV></DIV>> > Osweald of Baldurstrand
<DIV></DIV>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
<DIV></DIV>> > >From: Ealdric Frog_Hollow
<DIV></DIV>> > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
<DIV></DIV>> > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net
<DIV></DIV>> > >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Incorporating?
<DIV></DIV>> > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:01:31 -0400
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<DIV></DIV>> > >I realize some may consider them the enemy, but you should talk to
<DIV></DIV>> > >the SCA. Yes, they are bigger and richer, but they have been doing
<DIV></DIV>> > >this for a while. Perhaps the best bet would be some of their groups
<DIV></DIV>> > >who have incorporated separately. Also, they claim to be willing to
<DIV></DIV>> > >help other groups get going. Some of you may know (or be) former
<DIV></DIV>> > >Board members or other knowledgeable folk.
<DIV></DIV>> > >-Just an opinion.
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<DIV></DIV>> > >At 05:42 PM 6/27/2002, you wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> > >> >I just shot Jeff from the Red Company - 1471 (aka Historic
<DIV></DIV>> > >>Enterprises)
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<DIV></DIV>> > >>Well, see this is why you might need insurance. ;D
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<DIV></DIV>> > >>Seriously, In California, all I know is that if you request to
<DIV></DIV>> > >>reserve space in a county park, you get a price break if you are
<DIV></DIV>> > >>non-profit, and unless you want to keep your hacking and slashing a
<DIV></DIV>> > >>secret from the rangers (good luck), you need insurance.
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >>Thanks for the input you guys. I'm glad I could provoke a
<DIV></DIV>> > >>discussion.
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