[Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland

[Jeanne]

Do you mean:

re.cid.i.vism (r-sd-vzm) n.

A tendency to lapse into a previous pattern of behavior, especially a
pattern of criminal habits.
The relapse of a disease or symptom. Also called recidivation.

-----Original Message-----
From: list-regia-na-bounces at lig.net
[mailto:list-regia-na-bounces at lig.net]On Behalf Of Scott Adkins
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 1:34 PM
To: list-Regia-NA
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland


>From what i remember from my comparitive Criminal Justice system classes
England never had a really high violnet crime rate even before the 20's. So
it never really made a difference, similar to Canada.  But what does Britian
plan to do about kitchen knives? Meat cleavers? Carpet knives? box cutters?
ice picks? screwdrivers? Tent stakes? i could go on.  This ban just makes no
sense.

Our problem in the US is recitivism, the same people comitting crimes over
and over. It has little to nothing to do with weapons avalibility.  We
increased our incarceration rate by around 5% in the late 80's early 90's.
Doing things like getting rid of probation for violent offenses, not giving
bail to repeat offenders and holding them until trial.  We are now at a 35
year low in crime in the US.

Of course the lawyers all hate that because they make less money due to
fewer trails which hits the root of our problem here. A criminal justice
system designed to employ lawyers not punish criminals or portect the
public. Defense lawyers in the US have turend recitivism into big $$$$.

dang 2 posts
i'm gonna loose my lurker membership card

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Siddorn <kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Nov 25, 2004 7:26 AM
To: list-Regia-NA <list-regia-na at lig.net>
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland

Actually, experience in the UK and other countries that have *historically*
had gun control for some time indicates otherwise. It is a rare British home
indeed that has a gun in it and whilst gun crime in the UK is slowly
increasing, it is far from endemic. Therefore, knives are more common.

If I have a moment, I'll go and look up some statistics, but I know for
certain that the first licenses for firearms were introduced in Britain in
1926 and by the time I wanted a Schedule One (allowing me to own handguns)
in 1970, it took nine months of membership of an accredited club, six high
scoring cards, the support of the full Executive Committee and positive
vetting by the Police to get one. It was a very unusual thing and  not a
single one of my extensive circle of friends had ever seen let alone handled
a handgun before I bought one. A pain in the a*se perhaps, but it has worked
here.

Any kind of crime committed using a firearm carries a mandatory sentence of
five years.

Regards,


Kim Siddorn,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Blaisdell" <jdb967 at earthlink.net>
To: "Scott Adkins" <murdochmcarthur at earthlink.net>; "list-Regia-NA"
<list-regia-na at lig.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland


> "Wepons prohibitions do _not_ keep criminals from doing anything, only
> people who obey the law. You end up with unarmed victims and criminals
that
> act with impunity."
>
> A perfect example of that is Washington, D.C. There, NO ONE is allowed to
> carry a handgun (legally), yet it has one of the highest per capita murder
> rates in the nation! Mostly by guns owned by gangs and thugs...
>
> In Chappaqua, NY (yes, where the Clintons "reside" now), they had an
> anti-gun campain a number of years ago. People placed stickers in their
> windows stating "This house DOES NOT have a gun." Break-ins in town went
up
> dramatically, many of the target homes being those with those stickers!
> Criminals know where they are safe.
>
> If the legal system, from the police to the prisons (primarily courts),
> would enforce the laws on the books now, the rights of law-abiding
citizens
> would not need to be further restricted. If a punk knows that knife in his
> pocket will get him a year in jail or a heavy fine should he get into
> trouble, then he will either leave it home or behave better in public.
>
> Governments seem to have the mentality that since a few cannot handle the
> right and responsibility in a civilized manner, NO ONE should have the
> right. Remember, though, locks and bars keep only honest people out.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Adkins" <murdochmcarthur at earthlink.net>
> To: "list-Regia-NA" <list-regia-na at lig.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland
>
>
> > De lurk
> >
> > Ye gawds thats just stupid
> >
> > Wanna deter knife crime? Let people own guns.  Only a fool brings a
knife
> to a gun fight.
> >
> > Wepons prohibitions do _not_ keep criminals from doing anything, only
> people who obey the law. You end up with unarmed victims and criminals
that
> act with impunity.
> >
> > Course what do i know I'm just an inner-city American cop. I never deal
> with violent crime.
> >
> > Re lurk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kim Siddorn <kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk>
> > Sent: Nov 23, 2004 6:23 AM
> > To: Regia UK E-Group <regia at yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: Regia US e-group <list-regia-na at lig.net>
> > Subject: [Regia-NA] Possible sword ban in Scotland
> >
> > Hello all.
> >
> > Just when we were relaxing into off season mode, too...............
> >
> > The text below was sent to me this morning by Allan McVie, our Glasgow
> group
> > leader. I have copied it to the NAReS Executive Committee (I'm the NAReS
> > PRO) and await response.
> >
> > I'll keep you informed ..........
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > J. Kim Siddorn,
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> > Further to our phone call this morning find below links to news articles
> > regarding a proposed ban on swords in Scotland. I have pasted in the
> > complete scotsman article as you have to register for that site.
> >
> > I am away from home until Monday but can be contacted at this email
> address.
> >
> > Allan McVie
> >
> >
> >
> > Daily Record
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/features/featuresfeed/page.cfm?objectid=1490184
> > 0&method=full&siteid=89488
> >
> >
> >
> > Herald
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/28456.html
> >
> >
> >
> > BBC
> >
> >
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4031405.stm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scotsman (article copied below as you have to register for access to
site)
> >
> >
> >
> > McConnell cracks down on knife crime
> >
> > HAMISH MACDONELL
> > SCOTTISH POLITICAL EDITOR
> >
> > JACK McConnell went on the offensive against Scotland's growing knife
> > culture yesterday, announcing a series of tough measures he hopes will
> stem
> > the "scandalously high" human toll from knife crime, particularly in
> > Glasgow.
> >
> > The First Minister said he would introduce sweeping new powers, allowing
> the
> > police to arrest anyone found carrying a knife. He announced longer
> > sentences for knife-related offences and said he would introduce major
> > restrictions on the sale and possession of knives and blades.
> >
> > The sale of all swords will be outlawed in Scotland, nobody under the
age
> of
> > 18 will be allowed to buy a knife of any sort, and retailers who want to
> > sell non-domestic knives will have to be licensed and monitored.
> >
> > The First Minister said Scotland had a responsibility to tackle the
> > "scandalously high" level of knife crime in "our own time and our own
way"
> > and as soon as possible.
> >
> > His changes go far beyond anything previously proposed in Britain and
> signal
> > the Scottish Executive's determination to take action on a problem that
is
> > escalating out of control in some parts of urban Scotland.
> >
> > Knife crime is a particular problem in Glasgow, which has the worst
murder
> > rate in Britain, at 58.7 murders per million people - twice as high as
> > London, where the rate stands at 26 per million.
> >
> > Half of all homicides in Scotland as a whole and in Glasgow are caused
by
> > knives or other sharp instruments, according to the latest figures, and
> > ministers believe they have to do something to stop the trend.
> >
> > Mr McConnell announced his plans at a press conference in Edinburgh
almost
> > three years to the day after he succeeded Henry McLeish as First
Minister.
> >
> > Mr McConnell said: "It is my very strong view, and it is a view shared
by
> > the Cabinet, that far too many young men, particularly in Scotland, view
> the
> > carrying or using of knives or offensive weapons as an acceptable
> practice.
> > It is not acceptable. The law in Scotland must be clear, the system must
> > protect innocent victims and the culture of Scotland, particularly in
our
> > cities, in relation to knives and violent crime, must change."
> >
> > He added: "The sale of swords in Scotland today is fundamentally wrong.
> > There can be no reason for people buying swords off the street for use
or
> to
> > have in their homes."
> >
> > The Executive's proposals are:
> >
> > . A licensing scheme for the sale of non-domestic knives and similar
> > objects. This would require all shops selling non-domestic knives to be
> > registered and licensed. Any retailer caught breaking the law would have
> its
> > licence revoked.
> >
> > . Increasing the minimum purchasing age for knives from 16 to 18.
> >
> > . Banning the sale of swords. While the sale of swords would be outlawed
> > under the proposals, the Executive has no plans to ban swords being kept
> in
> > private homes. There would, however, be a ban on the possession of a
sword
> > in a public place.
> >
> > . Giving the police the ability to arrest anyone found carrying a knife.
> At
> > the moment police can only arrest people if they prove they are carrying
a
> > knife, have grounds for believing a crime is going to be committed and a
> > third reason such as breach of the peace. The Executive intends to sweep
> > away all these conditions, allowing unconditional arrests to be made.
> >
> > . Doubling the sentence for possessing a knife or offensive weapon from
> two
> > years to four.
> >
> > Officials were quick to point out that Mr McConnell's proposals wouldl
not
> > affect anybody wearing a sgian dubh, which is already exempt from
> anti-knife
> > legislation because it is part of Scotland's national dress.
> >
> > The First Minister conceded that all the new measures might not be in
> force
> > for a couple of years because of the need to have a public consultation,
> > then put the policies through parliament.
> >
> > Mr McConnell said police would use existing powers such as
stop-and-search
> > to tackle knife crime.
> >
> > He added: "We believe the police should have the power of arrest on
> > suspicion of carrying a knife or offensive weapon.
> >
> > "We need to shift the balance of power here in the law in favour of
those
> > victims who far too often - particularly in Glasgow city centre but in a
> > number of other parts of Scotland too - find themselves in hospital on
> > Friday or Saturday night as a result of what appears to be the casual
> > incident of a passer by".
> >
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