From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Aug 29 01:48:07 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] overgown... gentlemen may skip this one Message-ID: <000701c48d61$d9fbabb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Well, I think I have the pattern down, finally... One problem I am still working on is how to accomodate my bust without ... I don't quite know how to ask the question. The underarm gusset is giving me plenty of mobility, but I think it should be longer, accomodating the bust. [gravity is not our friend...] This is the only place which is tight. HELP! Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda woruld. Amen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Aug 29 05:16:37 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] IM I ON THE LIST References: <1de.e9247b3.2c801758@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c48d7e$fa8173c0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C48D44.4DA44400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Micah. Yes, you're coming thru. Jennifer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C48D44.4DA44400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Micah.  Yes, you're coming = thru. =20 Jennifer
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C48D44.4DA44400-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Aug 29 07:45:09 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] ** RANA MEMBERSHIP ** References: <00b301c36ded$64fd3b60$7900a8c0@field> Message-ID: <001301c48d93$bac2bd10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48D59.0DF17430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But, Martin! I haven't even gotten my membership from this year! = [minor grumble ] Hoping all is well with you... Yrs, Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne H=C6lendum Criste, =DEe leofa=F0 and rixa=F0 a on = worulda woruld. Amen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48D59.0DF17430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But, Martin!  I haven't even = gotten my=20 membership from this year!  [minor grumble <G>]
Hoping all is well with you...  = Yrs,=20 Jennifer
Jennifer Hill
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Wuldor sy = urum Drihtne=20 H=C6lendum Criste, =DEe leofa=F0 and rixa=F0 a on worulda woruld. = Amen.
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C48D59.0DF17430-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Aug 30 00:29:54 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:29:54 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] ** RANA MEMBERSHIP ** References: <00b301c36ded$64fd3b60$7900a8c0@field> <001301c48d93$bac2bd10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002f01c36e05$924fc8e0$f9597ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <003801c48e20$171f6e50$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48DE5.6A5C5640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Vara. Jennifer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48DE5.6A5C5640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Vara.  = Jennifer
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C48DE5.6A5C5640-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Aug 30 00:49:53 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:49:53 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg? chair Message-ID: <001901c48e22$e1ff1740$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Hazel: was it you who sent me the info on the Oseberg chair? Or was it a different ship burial? OR??? am I imagining things? Can anybody help me out, here? Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda woruld. Amen. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Aug 31 04:38:50 2004 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] ** RANA MEMBERSHIP ** References: <00b301c36ded$64fd3b60$7900a8c0@field> <001301c48d93$bac2bd10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002f01c36e05$924fc8e0$f9597ad5@m1w9d8> <003801c48e20$171f6e50$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002401c36eda$ee247b40$3a0d7ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <000b01c48f0c$0828fd20$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48ED1.5B508850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vara: That isn't fair. I would hop on my broom & come over, but the = broom is in the shop. Grumble Grumble... Want to see the chair, = want to see York, I wants to ,.... I wants to! Jennifer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C48ED1.5B508850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vara:  That isn't fair.  I = would hop on=20 my broom & come over, but the broom is in the shop. <G>  = Grumble=20 Grumble...  Want to see the chair, want to see York, I wants to = ,.... I=20 wants to!  Jennifer
 

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Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 1 06:50:56 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sun Aug 1 06:49:20 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} Message-ID: <20040801105056.68605.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story: On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head.Mr.Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some buildingworkers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned. "Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, "Someone who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide." That Mr. Opus was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands. The room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus.When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B." When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun was not loaded. The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore the killing of Mr.. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, assuming the gun had been accidentally loaded. The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus. Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide. A true story from Associated Press, (Reported by Kurt Westervelt) If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040801/0490c48e/attachment.html From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Aug 1 07:01:23 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Sun Aug 1 06:59:43 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Message-ID: <038201c477b6$e7385b40$5a702052@kim1> I saw this about a week ago - don't ask - and was initially quite struck by it. Watching it a second time, I find more to criticise. It's WAY too long. It is often confusing and suffers really badly from poor character development - I've seen better characterisation at a 30 minute Regia battle ;o)) Reece Winston is the only one that stands out and he just played himself. Ken Stott as the ex pat Roman living in Scotland (pardon?) was far less convincing off the small screen and seemed to me to be out of his depth. Kiera Knightley was decorative and certainly got stuck into the running and screaming bits. Make a fine berserker, let's find her a shield and some sherbet. Arthur drifted too and fro looking earnest and looked OK in the post Roman parade armour. The battle strategy & tactics were lacking in common sense, devoid of thought and made the big Saxon battle at the end a laughing stock. I've seen better and more convincing displays of military expertise by Druidion. Which leaves the costumes, really. Honestly, it is too dark to see much of them, but mostly they are what you'd expect of Hollywood. Ms Knightley looked fetching in her war paint and three plaited leather belts, but it seemed unlikely to say the least that she'd wear less in battle than she wore in bed! It is a dark movie in a different way from (say) Alien was a dark movie. If it wasn't raining it was snowing and for the actors and crew, it must have been a miserable, gloomy film to shoot. For the viewer it remains a dark, gloomy, miserable experience to watch. There is nothing to lift the spirit, no glory, no heart rending partings and the credits came as something of a relief. It has been said on this e-group that every generation should have the opportunity to have their own Arthur. If this movie reflects the mood of the modern age, I feel sorry for them all, I really do. I'd rather have the Mallorian ideal in a full harness of field plate and play some Wagner over the last battle - or did someone do that already ......... Regards, Kim Siddorn, From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Aug 1 18:35:44 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Sun Aug 1 18:34:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Gjermundbu info sought Message-ID: <043b01c47817$e78e7370$5a702052@kim1> I've had an inquiry about the Gjermundbu find. Lots of info on the net about the helmet and the mail but cannot find much (anything!) on the rest of the find. Any ideas anyone? Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. From seibhyrt at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 04:27:44 2004 From: seibhyrt at hotmail.com (Steve Etheridge) Date: Mon Aug 2 04:26:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: [Regia] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} Message-ID: >From: mik lawson Hi, Mik Interesting story. which I seem to remember seeing before. In fact, it has appeared in the film "Magnolia" (which is somewhat weird, and has Tom Cruise in it), only there it took place in (IIRC) the 1950's. Just becuase it's an Urban Myth (and possibly a Darwin award) doesn't mean that it's not true! Steve > At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS >President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal >complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story: On March 23, 1994 the >medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died >from a shotgun wound to the head.Mr.Opus had jumped from the top of a >ten-story building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to the >effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life >was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed >him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety >net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some >buildingworkers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete >his suicide the way he had planned. "Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, >"Someone who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even >though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is > still defined as committing suicide." That Mr. Opus was shot on the way >to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of >the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide >on his hands. The room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast >emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing >vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset >that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the >pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus.When one intends to kill >subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the >murder of subject "B." When confronted with the murder charge the old man >and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun >was not loaded. The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten >his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. >Therefore the killing of Mr.. Opus appeared to be > an accident; that is, assuming the gun had been accidentally loaded. The >continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son >loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It >transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and >the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun >threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would >shoot his mother. Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was >guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The >case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of >Ronald Opus. Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed >that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly >despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. >This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23rd, only to be >killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story > window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner >closed the case as a suicide. A true story from Associated Press, (Reported >by Kurt Westervelt) > > > >If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. >Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. >Havamal > > > >--------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From trbrown at uga.edu Mon Aug 2 12:34:30 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Mon Aug 2 12:32:59 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: [Regia] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} Message-ID: <5ee32b8f.69a2952c.8d8a300@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Urban legend, and not true. See: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/opus.htm The story was actually told by Mills at the 1987 meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, but he made it up to illustrate a point. It's been knocking around the internet for about 10 years. -- Tracie/Signy From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 2 12:43:06 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 12:41:22 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: [Regia] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} In-Reply-To: <5ee32b8f.69a2952c.8d8a300@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <20040802164307.78311.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies.I,ve been sent the site the story was from.The air of plausability make it believable.I wont post the one about the burnt teenager & the cows heart. Regards, Mik Tracie Brown wrote: Urban legend, and not true. See: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/opus.htm The story was actually told by Mills at the 1987 meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, but he made it up to illustrate a point. It's been knocking around the internet for about 10 years. -- Tracie/Signy _______________________________________________ If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040802/069925e0/attachment.html From jdb967 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 3 05:28:59 2004 From: jdb967 at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Blaisdell) Date: Tue Aug 3 05:27:19 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} References: <20040801105056.68605.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c4793c$4fa134a0$fd69ba3f@Desktop> I have heard this story before. I believe it has been shown to be an urban legend... Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: mik lawson To: regia uk Cc: regia-na Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Fwd: Fw: Strange but true!{way off topic} At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story: On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head.Mr.Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some buildingworkers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned. "Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, "Someone who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide." That Mr. Opus was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands. The room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus.When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B." When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun was not loaded. The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore t he killing of Mr.. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, assuming the gun had been accidentally loaded. The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus. Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide. 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URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040803/2a499c28/attachment.html From trbrown at uga.edu Tue Aug 3 16:54:07 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Tue Aug 3 16:52:20 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] (Way OT) Strange and True Dumb Crook Message-ID: <1cf0a8e6.6a3e2e4d.84dd400@punts5.cc.uga.edu> It happened in Georgia, my fair state. As reported in last Saturday's Atlanta Journal-Constitution, TV and radio shows and weird news files everywhere: "As Daniel Gabriel Doyle sat in a car talking to some social workers earlier this week, his pants exploded." According to Patrick Stanfield, commander of the Lookout Mountain Judicial Court Drug Task Force, there Walker County social workers caught Doyle a a bad time. Apparently he was in the midst of manufacturing methamphetamine. "The social workers said he kept patting his right front pants pocket," Stanfield said. "Finally, while he was sitting int he back seat [of the social workers' car], the front of his pants exploded." He had apparently combined red phosphorus and iodine, two components used in manufacturing methamphetamine, in a film canister and stuck it in his pocket. The chemicals readcted and exploded, causing second- and third-degree burns to Doyle's testicles and leg. He was treated and released to the Walker County Jail. local coverage at: http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm? show=localnews&pnpID=730&NewsID=563425&CategoryID=3511&on=0 Walker County is the same county where the operator of the Tri-State Crematory is being tried on 787 charges relating to failing to cremate hundreds of bodies, instead leaving them stacked and scattered about the property. What a great state I live in! -- Tracie/Signy From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Tue Aug 3 17:52:25 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Tue Aug 3 17:50:36 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform Message-ID: I have a picture of a uniform from 1800's and as VA isn't my territory I am at a loss. Is there anyone who does Civil war re-enactment who can contact me to look at the picture and give me some/any information?!?! V?R?SHAJ? SOFFYA Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or Order of St. Roche Incipient Canton of Sudentur Barony of Stierbach Kingdom of Atlantia http://community.webshots.com/user/atasetofcreole From vmaa2 at cox.net Tue Aug 3 18:18:14 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Tue Aug 3 18:17:05 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c479a7$cfffe590$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Jeanne, I'm sure someone over on the Historic-Costume list would be able to help you out. If you would like, I could post your link for you and see what they have to say. Or, you could join yourself, but be warned, it is *high* volume! ;o) Pax, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net] On Behalf Of Jeanne Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform I have a picture of a uniform from 1800's and as VA isn't my territory I am at a loss. Is there anyone who does Civil war re-enactment who can contact me to look at the picture and give me some/any information?!?! From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Tue Aug 3 18:25:48 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Tue Aug 3 18:23:59 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform In-Reply-To: <002501c479a7$cfffe590$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Message-ID: I have the pix as a jpeg. High volume? -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net]On Behalf Of Linda Rice Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:18 PM To: 'list-Regia-NA' Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform Jeanne, I'm sure someone over on the Historic-Costume list would be able to help you out. If you would like, I could post your link for you and see what they have to say. Or, you could join yourself, but be warned, it is *high* volume! ;o) Pax, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net] On Behalf Of Jeanne Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Help in identifying an 1800s uniform I have a picture of a uniform from 1800's and as VA isn't my territory I am at a loss. Is there anyone who does Civil war re-enactment who can contact me to look at the picture and give me some/any information?!?! _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From chris.boulton at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 3 18:54:18 2004 From: chris.boulton at ntlworld.com (Chris Boulton) Date: Tue Aug 3 18:52:30 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] (Way OT) Strange and True Dumb Crook References: <1cf0a8e6.6a3e2e4d.84dd400@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <001701c479ac$cf0fc6f0$1b02a8c0@duron800> > in a film canister and stuck it in his pocket. The chemicals > readcted and exploded, causing second- and third-degree burns > to Doyle's testicles and leg. He was treated and released to > the Walker County Jail. One would think the Walker County Jail would be highly inappropriate - I doubt he'll be walking for some time... almost a Darwin award - must try harder! Chris. From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 3 21:17:46 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Tue Aug 3 21:16:08 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - preparing for emergencies Message-ID: <02cd01c479c0$dd60d910$58702052@kim1> Hilarious. I liked the advice about running ;o)) http://www.preparingforemergencies.co.uk/ Regards, Kim From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Wed Aug 4 14:25:51 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Wed Aug 4 14:24:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" In-Reply-To: <038201c477b6$e7385b40$5a702052@kim1> Message-ID: why am I getting visions of the Uther/Ygraine sex scene in full plate?!?! -----Original Message----- I'd rather have the Mallorian ideal in a full harness of field plate and play some Wagner over the last battle - or did someone do that already ......... Regards, Kim Siddorn, From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 4 16:06:43 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed Aug 4 16:05:09 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" References: Message-ID: <010c01c47a5e$94eb7570$7d702052@kim1> Actually, I was thinking of the blood-soaked battlefield and the strains of Siegfried - but as you've mentioned it, I'm as grateful for the image as Ms Mirran was ungrateful for the scene. "It was cold and he pinched me all over" I recall was the quote................... Regards, Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne" To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" > why am I getting visions of the Uther/Ygraine sex scene in full plate?!?! > From bmccoy at chapelperilous.net Wed Aug 4 16:16:00 2004 From: bmccoy at chapelperilous.net (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Wed Aug 4 16:11:17 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" In-Reply-To: <010c01c47a5e$94eb7570$7d702052@kim1> References: <010c01c47a5e$94eb7570$7d702052@kim1> Message-ID: <41114400.8010804@chapelperilous.net> J K Siddorn wrote: > Actually, I was thinking of the blood-soaked battlefield and the strains of Siegfried - but as you've mentioned it, I'm > as grateful for the image as Ms Mirran was ungrateful for the scene. "It was cold and he pinched me all over" I recall > was the quote................... That wasn't Helen Mirren, it was the director's daughter. :-) -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The UNIX philosophy basically involves giving you enough rope to hang yourself. And then a couple of feet more, just to be sure. From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 4 21:51:59 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed Aug 4 21:50:21 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital photography Message-ID: <01dd01c47a8e$cfa358b0$7d702052@kim1> One of my friends in my Other Hobby has just posted this. There are so many of us with these gadgets now, I thought many would be interested. It's rather long, so get a coffee first! Regards, Kim Siddorn, Digital Photography Making that first step You've been taking photographs for years with your Single Lens Reflex camera or point and press and one day you pick up an article about Digital Photography, what's this all about you wonder and before you know it you are reading up about Digital Cameras and looking in the window of your local Camera Shop. The questions that go through your mind are endless and here are a few for starters: 1. Are they expensive? 2. Do I need one? 3. What do I actually want? 4. How do they fair against the conventional camera. 5. Now I've got one do I need anything else? The questions are not in any sort of order so I will answer them as shown. 1. The cost? All cameras come at a price and it can be suggested that you should buy the best you can afford, if like me you wanted a Digital Camera that was as close to an SLR then expect to pay from ?350.00 upwards at todays prices, if you want a point and press then you can start as low as ?50.00. 2. Do I need a Digital Camera? Difficult question really and only you can decide but think on the following. Why do you take pictures, what do you do with the results, how do you store them, when you have friends around and want to show them your efforts how do you do it? Do you develop your own photographs? If like me you record everything you see and do then Digital is the way to go because once you have bought the camera there will be no more expense in running the camera, not strictly true but for now good enough, you do not need to buy any more film and you do not need any more processing of that film. The processing of film is also not strictly true because you can now take your memory card out of your camera and give it to your friendly Photo Processing shop who will then produce prints of your work. I will show later on that you can now do all this for yourself just as you did when you used to use film. With the aid of a computer and specifically a DVD or CD writer you can now store vast numbers of pictures on disc, this then allows you to look at them modify them or delete them if necessary. Once you have them on disc you can now put the disc into a DVD/CD player and amaze family and friends with your abilities. 3. What Camera do I need? All that I have so far written is based on what I needed, in my experience I decided to start with a simple easy to learn camera so I bought a Kodak DC215, this was a point and press with a few easy to use extras, if this is all you want then it or its later replacement would be ideal. My current camera is a Fuji Finepix S304, this camera allows me a lot more freedom to operate the camera how I want and not rely on the automation which is also available if needed. Do you need the ability to use lenses or filters, do you need a high shutter speed again the question what do you want it for rears its head again and you must always remember that the higher the spec the higher the price. 4. The comparison? To compare a Digital Camera to a conventional Camera is easy if you go like for like, this is not so easy though because a conventional camera uses film of different ASA i.e. 200 or 400 etc. The higher the ASA number the faster the picture can be taken. A Digital Camera works in a different way and uses a device called a CCD (Charged Coupled Device) this is made up of very tiny light sensitive cells in the form of a grid; my current camera has a CCD of 3.3M Pixels or a 2100 x 1440 grid. If you look closely at a newspaper photograph you will see it is made up of tiny dots of different shades of grey starting with white and ending with black, a CCD works in a similar way, therefore the more cells (Pixels) a CCD has the better quality the picture because all of the dots (pixels) are closer together. Film works in a similar way except its pixel value is much, much, higher than a high quality CCD and is also very much cheaper. Digital Cameras that have the quality of film cost in excess of several thousands of pounds but as time passes this stumbling block will fall dramatically, for instance the camera I have now can be bought for ?150.00 less than I paid for it a year ago. Other than the fact that a Digital Camera does not use film there are not really many differences to be had except for maybe two, one is a negative and the other is a positive and they both have a cost implication. The negative is speed of recovery between taking pictures and this is where the cost comes in, the cheaper the camera the longer it takes to recover between shots. This is because when you press the button the camera sees your picture and then it sends the resultant picture in digital format to the memory card, having checked that there is space on the card in the first place so there can be a delay of a couple of seconds before it will let you take another. The more expensive the camera the quicker it can recover but there is still a delay. You could say that a film camera has a delay but this is nothing like a Digital camera. The positive is that having taken a picture you can then decide if you want to keep it or try again and with a press of a button the picture can disappear. 5. Do I need anything else? This is now down to you and depends on how far you want to go. You now have at least four options when processing your photographs, a) Take your memory card from the camera to your local chemist to produce your prints. b) Buy a printer which will take your memory card and will work without a computer to produce your prints. c) Buy a computer and do it yourself with a Photo software package and printer or d) with the aid of a computer upload the pictures to one of many websites that will display photos for you. Other equipment that you may need in the future would be a DVD player, with this you can bore your friends and relatives to death by showing your own CDs if you buy one which will play your own recorded CDs prices are now so cheap you can but a high spec machine for less than ?100.00. Another useful piece of equipment is a Scanner, this can be used to copy your film generated pictures into your computer to be stored onto CD. One piece of equipment that I do find of great use is my card reader, all Digital camera manufacturers use there own type of memory card, there is a standard but as camera become more sophisticated then so do the memory cards. Three years ago a memory card could be 25mm square, my current camera has a card which is 10mm square and has 64 MB of memory and can hold just over 110 pictures. The card reader saves your batteries as it is permanently connected to the computer and is powered by the same so all I do is remove the card from the camera and put in the reader to down load my pictures. Taking Photographs. Now that you have bought your camera what do you do with it, taking pictures seems like a good idea and as you dont have to spend lots of money on film go out and photograph everything that there is to see. Whilst you are doing this try taking a picture of your engine but play with the various settings on the camera and take several photos, this is a good way to find out how to use your camera and find out what it does. If you have a digital camera the chances are you do have a computer and you may have noticed one tiny problem, depending how old your computer is and I am only talking a maximum of three years you may find that it takes a long time to down load your pictures, this is because the size of your pictures in relation to your processor and memory causes the computer to slow down, don't worry it will get there and by putting more memory into your computer this may increase its speed with little cost. Once you have got the pictures loaded into the computer you can then use the Software supplied with your digital camera, I use Paint Shop Pro but there are several other software packages like Adobe Photoshop for instance. The software allows you to manipulate your picture to either enhance it or repair it and when you become proficient you can create a period shot, for instance I photographed a Fergie tractor at a rally ploughing and with a bit of effort I turned it into a black and white print and removed from the picture all modern cars etc. If you wish to print your pictures please be aware that what you see in the way of colours on the screen may not necessarily appear exactly on paper but this can be corrected by adjusting the colour range on your computer. If you want photo quality pictures you need to buy a printer that will give you the best results, as a preference I find Hewlett Packard make good photo printers but I have friends who swear by Epson etc so it is down to your needs and again cost. It is very difficult for me to tell you how to take and manipulate your pictures because your needs are different to mine but there are a lot of books that can help you and one I have is the ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY by Tim Daly ISBN 1-86155-309-9 Quintet Publishing ?16.99p Different Types of Format Most Cameras take your pictures in a variety of formats; they are JPEG, GIF and TIFF. There is also BMP but this creates very large files so are difficult to store. The most commonly used of these formats is JPEG (Joint Photographic Experts Group} and most cameras use this as their main format or have it as an option. With this format you can compress your picture down to a smaller size, this does unfortunately reduce the quality of the picture also, so you are able to send your pictures via email easily or store a greater number of pictures in one place. GIF ( Graphic interchange Format) tends to be used in the construction of Web sites as it can be down loaded a lot quicker for it size. TIFF (Tagged Image File Format) tends to be used by the Publishing world and there is not a lot of difference between it and good quality JPEG pictures. As far as you and I are concerned we will work with JPEGs, it does what it says on the tin and in my opinion is as good as it gets. Storage Now you have taken your pictures you need to store them, don't rely on your computer Hard Drive because the average photograph I take is 599KB and it wont take long to fill a 20GB hard drive. You can if you have one use a Zip Drive which is a Floppy disc with a large storage area but still does not beat a CD. You are then left with one option CDs or DVDs, your average new computer will have a CD R/RW Writer already installed but it is not difficult to up grade your computer to take a Writer and its Software. A small piece of advice though if like me you are using a computer with Windows XP, it has its own CD writing software then all you will be able to do is write pictures to disc, you can switch this off and use something like NERO which will give you greater flexibility to do lots of other things. I have no experience on recording DVDs but I do know that you can store more than you can on a CD and you can store hundreds on a CD. For those of you who are not sure a CD R is a once only recorded disc where as a CD RW can be wiped and written on many times over. With the likes of Nero you can record to disc in files so that you can compile all of your pictures into easily found records like The Club Rally or A Family Day Out. There is one other storage option and that is using the Internet, you can upload pictures to a website of which there are many, the one I use is called http://community.webshots.com . At this site you upload pictures to your own little area to display to your friends and family or everybody in general. There are two options at most sites the first allows you a limited amount of space for free to post your pictures or you can pay a sum each month which gives you unlimited space, within reason. I personally use the free site and when my pictures have been up for a few weeks I change them for new stock, for those of you interested go to the following web address http://community.webshots.com/user/campingstoveman . If like me you put your pictures here then you need to do one thing and that is reduce the size of your picture to approx 30% of your original, the idea of this is to make it quicker for you to upload onto the site and for others to download quickly, this will not affect your picture as seen on the computer it just speeds things up. To easily reduce a number of pictures in one go I use a piece of Software called MIR.NET it is freeware and can be found at http://www.acumensystems.com/mir/ , just follow the instructions and download onto your computer. It is easy to use and will resize a large quantity of pictures at one go. You do have one other option on the Internet and that is to create your own Website again you can rely on others to do all the hard work for you and you just supply the words and pictures, somewhere like Geocities, BTopenworld, Freeserve all offer you created sites you can use or you can like me teach yourself HTTP and design and create your own, I must confess for one reason or another it has taken a year and I still have not finished it yet. Unlike a Club member friend of mine Peter Forbes who has created 1000s of pages of about everything you can think off regarding our hobbies and interests. I think he will be pleased for you to go and look at his site. Peter Forbes http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ .This site as I said has everything you could want to look at. Roland Craven http://www.petternut.co.uk/ . Roland as his web address suggests is nutty about Petters, the smut running kind and he has many. Paul Evans http://www.internalfire.com/ . Paul runs a museum similar to the Anson Museum, I have yet to visit but I am told it will be worth the ride to Wales where it is situated. Other Places of interest. The Website shown here is interesting reading and goes into greater depth than I can. http://dpfwiw.com/index.htm A Website of hints and tips. http://www.saycheese.com/ A source of info to find out about your new Camera. http://www.imaging-resource.com/ If you have Windows XP on your computer you may find this site of interest. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/digitalphotography/default.asp From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 04:23:34 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu Aug 5 04:17:23 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain Message-ID: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> I saw a 'foretaste' of 'Battlefield Britain' (starts tomorrow night) on BBC1 this morning. The graphics look amazing....maybe the days of filmed re-enactment are numbered?? :-) Hazel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040805/31bc128c/attachment.html From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 5 06:07:35 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Thu Aug 5 06:05:56 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain References: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> Hazel Uzzell wrote: > I saw a 'foretaste' of 'Battlefield Britain' (starts tomorrow night) on > BBC1 this morning. The graphics look amazing....maybe the days of filmed > re-enactment are numbered?? :-) > Hazel That is what the toy Roman soldiers are telling each other on the History Channel ad (the footsoldier looks like R. Lee Ermey of Mail Call. Odd that he should name that program after his big scene in Saving Silverman. Loved him in Siege of Firebase Gloria though.). There is some new program on now called something like Command Decision that is touting 21'st century CGI as the replacement for actors. May as well call it the Game Channel if they do that. Not impressed with it myself but then I am analog. Oh, Yass, Kim, thanks for the Digital Photography bit. It might help a bit. I have a direct to minidisc Sony that I bought a year ago and have yet to try out. I bought it to illustrate my articles like bone carving by the pictures. Figured I could edit them easier than drawing around over a lightbox on real pix. Meanwhile I am still using the traditional SLR with it's postage stamp sized to 600mm range. Most film isn't grainy anymore. I remember when I was using Black and White film for the newspapers and developing it. Then we had to screen the shots too so we could print them on an offset press. Grainy in the extreme. Was shooting close ups of double sided Chinese transparent embroidery last week. Fish that look like they are swimming in transparent water from both sides, ladies that are front and back profiles on the same silk too. Fantastic twelve foot peacock scenes. The two story, two weaver, thirty foot long brocade loom that was capable of 4" x 28" per day was interesting too. Bought some samples of those weavings. Magnus From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 08:20:35 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu Aug 5 08:13:38 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain References: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <005301c47ae6$9c951820$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > There is some new program on now called something like Command Decision I think we've had that one. I thought it was pathetic....but that's just me. :-) Hazel From jmichal2 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 09:35:34 2004 From: jmichal2 at yahoo.com (John Michalski) Date: Thu Aug 5 09:33:41 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dues Increase. In-Reply-To: <001201c47521$f1664b00$7900a8c0@field> Message-ID: <20040805133534.69804.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings, Actually, this is a good time for me to officially let you know that I won't be able to participate in Regia right now. I have one year of a very intensive seminary program starting in a couple of weeks, and taking on anything else would be irresponsible in the extreme. It would hav been fun, and is something to keep in mind for the future, but now is not the time. Could you please "unsubscribe" me from the list? Thanks. Good luck to you and Regia NA! John --- Martin Field wrote: > As approved by George (Ealdor) and Jeanne > (Treasurer) > To current and prospective members - > For the past six months or more we have been running > a deficit on what we > currently charge members in the USA ($25.00) and > barely having any surplus > for basic incidental operating costs from the > Canadian dues ($40.00) for one > year's membership of Regia N.A. > The main culprit in this equasion is the > international currency exchange > rate where we need to send a 15.00 Pounds Capping > Fee to the Regia UK > treasury for each member. > Allowing for minor fluctuations this now costs us in > the region of $27.50 US > and $37.50 Canadian so in the interests of literally > keeping our heads above > the fiscal high water mark we find it necessary to > raise the U.S yearly > membership dues to $30.00 and the Canadian > membership dues to $42.50. > I believe the former rate has held steady for in > excess of two years so in > balance of this and in view of the exchange rate we > find this a necessesity > as opposed to an option. > May we ask that you understand the situation we face > and accept the increase > in the literal interests of sustainability. > In my view the capping fee still provides a very > good bang for the buck as > it funds publications and their distribution which > aren't cheap by any means > in addition to many other incidental costs > associated with running an > organization such as ours. > Please understand that it is our intent to keep this > increase to an absolute > minimum - I actually still expect to incur > out-of-pocket expenses such as > paying for the bank account monthly fees and some > mailing costs to put this > into context. > I have requested the new rates to be posted up onto > the ranamember web-site > by my webmaster ASAP in view of the Aug, 1st joining > option for new members. > Please feel free to contact me if you have any Q's. > All the best > Martin - N.A Membership Sec. > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 5 11:24:23 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Thu Aug 5 11:22:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] (Way OT) Strange and True Dumb Crook References: <1cf0a8e6.6a3e2e4d.84dd400@punts5.cc.uga.edu> <001701c479ac$cf0fc6f0$1b02a8c0@duron800> Message-ID: <41125127.6090309@bellsouth.net> Chris Boulton wrote: >>in a film canister and stuck it in his pocket. The chemicals >>readcted and exploded, causing second- and third-degree burns >>to Doyle's testicles and leg. He was treated and released to >>the Walker County Jail. > > > One would think the Walker County Jail would be highly inappropriate - I > doubt he'll be walking for some time... almost a Darwin award - must try > harder! I've seen a cockroach bite on an inmate double swell a whole leg. So cockroaches can be deadlier than stupid ideas. He saw it for sure. We had 2" ones that popped when you stepped on them. I pulled a loose cover off a cellblock heater electrical box looking for contraband one night and fully sixty of them were stacked in it four deep and half ran up my arm. Needless to say - I danced. Then again we had rats the average size of squirrels that got into bed with them too. I've both stomped and place kicked them at times. They used to run right at me when I was coming up the armory back porch steps. In bunches. About once a year they'd gas the yard and kill a couple hundred. The big five tier west cellblock had only a barred door to that yard. I'd organize the inmates into drivers and pie throwers with the weights from the lifting area after breakfast. Gave them quite a charge. Start the day killing rats and it's a good day! Ran the gauntlet they did. So much for stress relief! > Chris. Try this for dumb. Years ago when I was working Central Prison they brought in seven badly burned inmates to the only hospital in the 76 unit system. Some of them were strapped face down for months. I saw them several times. [I spent most of my time in the mental wards. I took too many weapons and drug kits away my last two years to be left in the cellblocks and dormitories. About 120.] Seems they had been in one half of a divided 120 man dorm, with a double barred corridor and one guard in the middle. They had decided to stage a prison break by setting a fire and overpowering the guard when he let them out. They miscalculated twice. 1. The foam vinyl covered mattresses they had set alight on the table converted to hot gases and essentially liquid napalm which exploded on them as they were clutching the bars trying not to breathe in all the black smoke. I think it was fairly close behind them at the bars. Which may explain why the others didn't burn as badly. A sixty man dorm is fairly good sized with a lot of windows. They may have resisted the escape artists setting it near them. 2. The guard didn't actually have the keys and the guard who was called to bring them from another building on the compound wasn't in any particular hurry to get there. Possibly deliberately. Justice has it's peculiar quirks huh? Too late to help them much. I suppose you could say they were lucky to live. I'd rather of died from the fumes myself than go through that. I read a week ago they outlawed that type of foam in 1979 but I believe I've seen it since. I believe I've bought it since. Like this year. Same reason. Burns like napalm. Liquifies in heat. It might not have been so bad but they stacked them up and it created a hot gas bubble in the middle. I've seen skin melt off and put one flaming human out from the knees up there in the mental ward. Wrapped in toilet paper he set alight. Not real sure what happened to the rest of the dormitory. Maybe they weren't as critical. I don't recall so. It would have made a bigger stink in the newspapers. It was bad enough as it was. The best laid plans of mice and men oft gang agley. Magnus From cnielsen at connect2.com Thu Aug 5 11:32:00 2004 From: cnielsen at connect2.com (Cory Nielsen) Date: Thu Aug 5 11:30:10 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Battlefield Britain In-Reply-To: <411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> References: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20040805153200.10099.qmail@earth.connect2.com> rmhowe writes: > There is some new program on now called something like Command Decision > that is touting 21'st century CGI as the replacement for actors. I believe you're thinking of another program called "Decisive Battles." The producers of the program called "Command Decisions" (a new series on The History Channel) just paid several of us for a day of live-action filming (fighting, dying, killing, marching, feasting, arming, etc.) for an upcoming "Battle of Hastings" episode. :) Cory From Jurdank3123 at cs.com Thu Aug 5 13:52:01 2004 From: Jurdank3123 at cs.com (Jurdank3123@cs.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 13:50:17 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Message-ID: <44410904.22B84BD5.3BEDF230@cs.com> Okay...here it goes. I have not chimed in in a long time. However, I feel compeled to respond here. Kim...with all do respect...get off your histoical high horse and applaude the effort here. At least someone is attempting to tell the "real story" or a reasonable facsimille thereof. Sure, it had it's flaws...IT'S A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE, NOT A DOCUMENTARY. I too noticed a lot things that should have been done differently, such as the Saxon chieftain's accent. He sounded like the bad guy in a Hollywood western. It wasn't perfect and so what. I enjoyed it, and my hat goes off to them. Said with the utmost respect in the spirit of discussion. Jeff "J K Siddorn" wrote: >I saw this about a week ago - don't ask - and was initially quite struck by it. Watching it a second time, I find more >to criticise. > >It's WAY too long. > >It is often confusing and suffers really badly from poor character development - I've seen better characterisation at a >30 minute Regia battle ;o)) Reece Winston is the only one that stands out and he just played himself. Ken Stott as the >ex pat Roman living in Scotland (pardon?) was far less convincing off the small screen and seemed to me to be out of his >depth. Kiera Knightley was decorative and certainly got stuck into the running and screaming bits. Make a fine >berserker, let's find her a shield and some sherbet. Arthur drifted too and fro looking earnest and looked OK in the >post Roman parade armour. > >The battle strategy & tactics were lacking in common sense, devoid of thought and made the big Saxon battle at the end a >laughing stock. I've seen better and more convincing displays of military expertise by Druidion. > >Which leaves the costumes, really. Honestly, it is too dark to see much of them, but mostly they are what you'd expect >of Hollywood. Ms Knightley looked fetching in her war paint and three plaited leather belts, but it seemed unlikely to >say the least that she'd wear less in battle than she wore in bed! > >It is a dark movie in a different way from (say) Alien was a dark movie. If it wasn't raining it was snowing and for the >actors and crew, it must have been a miserable, gloomy film to shoot. For the viewer it remains a dark, gloomy, >miserable experience to watch. There is nothing to lift the spirit, no glory, no heart rending partings and the credits >came as something of a relief. > >It has been said on this e-group that every generation should have the opportunity to have their own Arthur. If this >movie reflects the mood of the modern age, I feel sorry for them all, I really do. > >I'd rather have the Mallorian ideal in a full harness of field plate and play some Wagner over the last battle - or did >someone do that already ......... > >Regards, > >Kim Siddorn, > > > > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 14:04:43 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu Aug 5 13:57:51 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Battlefield Britain References: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net><411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> <20040805153200.10099.qmail@earth.connect2.com> Message-ID: <001401c47b16$afe601c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Sorry. The one I was talking about here in the UK was called 'Time Commanders'. Hazel From capriest at cs.vassar.edu Thu Aug 5 14:30:36 2004 From: capriest at cs.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Thu Aug 5 14:25:15 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] WWLoom classes at Pennsic Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805143032.02e34088@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Dear folks, I will be teaching three classes related to the warp-weighted loom this Pennsic. They're all in the class booklet. Wadmal I -- preparing a warp and dressing the Icelandic style wwloom Wadmal II -- knitting heddles and beginning to weave 2/2 twill on the Icelandic style wwloom The WWLoom: It's Not Just for Weaving -- other interesting ways to incorporate your wwloom into your exploration of period textile techniques (aka, how to justify the floor space to your S.O.!). Y'all come! Carolyn Priest-Dorman ??ra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From crmayhew at comcast.net Thu Aug 5 14:34:30 2004 From: crmayhew at comcast.net (CR Mayhew Comcast Account) Date: Thu Aug 5 14:32:38 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] WWLoom classes at Pennsic References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805143032.02e34088@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <001901c47b1a$d9212250$1b3b2944@hppav> Thanks ??ra! Hope to attend at least one this year... --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] WWLoom classes at Pennsic > Dear folks, > > I will be teaching three classes related to the warp-weighted loom this > Pennsic. They're all in the class booklet. > > Wadmal I -- preparing a warp and dressing the Icelandic style wwloom > > Wadmal II -- knitting heddles and beginning to weave 2/2 twill on > the Icelandic style wwloom > > The WWLoom: It's Not Just for Weaving -- other interesting ways > to incorporate your wwloom into your exploration of period textile > techniques (aka, how to justify the floor space to your S.O.!). > > Y'all come! > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman ??ra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html > > > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 5 16:04:21 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu Aug 5 16:02:34 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain References: <003301c47ac5$806a1b80$0200a8c0@mshome.net><411206E7.70706@bellsouth.net> <005301c47ae6$9c951820$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <024601c47b27$6a79ba80$7d702052@kim1> This was the programme our West Coast warriors filmed a couple of weeks ago. Regards, Kim Siddorn, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain > > There is some new program on now called something like Command Decision > > I think we've had that one. I thought it was pathetic....but that's just me. > :-) > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 5 16:07:49 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu Aug 5 16:06:00 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Battlefield Britain References: <000401c47acc$65ffda80$9600a8c0@skipjack> <005901c47aea$fbe5e4e0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <025601c47b27$e5de0410$7d702052@kim1> There is a sound version being broadcast tomorrow at 3.00pm on BBC Radio 4. It will of course be available to listen to on the BBC website for seven days following the broadcast, so our worldwide membership can also hear it. Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and ? unless otherwise stated in the message body ? is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. 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Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Regia] Battlefield Britain > > For a review of this go to > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/ram/saturdayreview.ram you'll need to > have > > either realplayer or realalternative installed to listen, but the verdict > > seems to have been a thumbs down for this program > > > For anyone who doesn't want to hear the whole of 'Saturday Revue' the piece > goes from 8 mins into the programme to 16 mins in. > I thought that it was very sad that nearly all the 'critics' were determined > to dislike it before they saw it....maybe I just have the intelect of a 'not > very bright 13 year old boy' > I thought that it was interesting too that although they trashed it pretty > comprehensively, two of them said that they had learned a lot of things they > didn't know...:-) > By the way, I thought 'Time Commanders' was pretty pathetic, but that is > just me....! > Hazel > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 5 16:19:10 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu Aug 5 16:17:22 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" References: <44410904.22B84BD5.3BEDF230@cs.com> Message-ID: <027101c47b29$7c143070$7d702052@kim1> I only criticised the historical accuracy & the costumes in passing. I'm afraid - like almost everyone else I've spoken to - it was just not a very good movie. As I said before, the characterisation was shallow to a ludicrous degree and the air of unremitting gloom could not lift a feather, let alone the hearts of the audience, cognoscenti or not! I resent the implication that I cannot dismount my long legged steed and enjoy a picture for its own sake, I thought "Prince of Thieves" "Gladiator" et al were great - good God, I even enjoyed "Waterworld" and "The Lion in Winter" is my favourite film. But there must be a lot of folk that would really enjoy a well researched and cleanly shot film set in our period. No offence intended or taken, you understand, just my opinion .................. Regards, Kim Siddorn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Okay...here it goes. I have not chimed in in a long time. However, I feel compeled to respond here. Kim...with all do respect...get off your histoical high horse and applaude the effort here. At least someone is attempting to tell the "real story" or a reasonable facsimille thereof. Sure, it had it's flaws...IT'S A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE, NOT A DOCUMENTARY. I too noticed a lot things that should have been done differently, such as the Saxon chieftain's accent. He sounded like the bad guy in a Hollywood western. It wasn't perfect and so what. I enjoyed it, and my hat goes off to them. Said with the utmost respect in the spirit of discussion. Jeff "J K Siddorn" wrote: >I saw this about a week ago - don't ask - and was initially quite struck by it. Watching it a second time, I find more >to criticise. > >It's WAY too long. > >It is often confusing and suffers really badly from poor character development - I've seen better characterisation at a >30 minute Regia battle ;o)) Reece Winston is the only one that stands out and he just played himself. Ken Stott as the >ex pat Roman living in Scotland (pardon?) was far less convincing off the small screen and seemed to me to be out of his >depth. Kiera Knightley was decorative and certainly got stuck into the running and screaming bits. Make a fine >berserker, let's find her a shield and some sherbet. Arthur drifted too and fro looking earnest and looked OK in the >post Roman parade armour. > >The battle strategy & tactics were lacking in common sense, devoid of thought and made the big Saxon battle at the end a >laughing stock. I've seen better and more convincing displays of military expertise by Druidion. > >Which leaves the costumes, really. Honestly, it is too dark to see much of them, but mostly they are what you'd expect >of Hollywood. Ms Knightley looked fetching in her war paint and three plaited leather belts, but it seemed unlikely to >say the least that she'd wear less in battle than she wore in bed! > >It is a dark movie in a different way from (say) Alien was a dark movie. If it wasn't raining it was snowing and for the >actors and crew, it must have been a miserable, gloomy film to shoot. For the viewer it remains a dark, gloomy, >miserable experience to watch. There is nothing to lift the spirit, no glory, no heart rending partings and the credits >came as something of a relief. > >It has been said on this e-group that every generation should have the opportunity to have their own Arthur. If this >movie reflects the mood of the modern age, I feel sorry for them all, I really do. > >I'd rather have the Mallorian ideal in a full harness of field plate and play some Wagner over the last battle - or did >someone do that already ......... > >Regards, > >Kim Siddorn, > > > > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Thu Aug 5 16:45:45 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Thu Aug 5 16:43:52 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" In-Reply-To: <027101c47b29$7c143070$7d702052@kim1> Message-ID: It's like the Village. Teenager and friends didn't like it, BUT when I explained the movie to them, they saw it again and it made perfect sense! It's a thinking movie. -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net]On Behalf Of J K Siddorn Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:19 PM To: list-Regia-NA Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" I only criticised the historical accuracy & the costumes in passing. I'm afraid - like almost everyone else I've spoken to - it was just not a very good movie. As I said before, the characterisation was shallow to a ludicrous degree and the air of unremitting gloom could not lift a feather, let alone the hearts of the audience, cognoscenti or not! I resent the implication that I cannot dismount my long legged steed and enjoy a picture for its own sake, I thought "Prince of Thieves" "Gladiator" et al were great - good God, I even enjoyed "Waterworld" and "The Lion in Winter" is my favourite film. But there must be a lot of folk that would really enjoy a well researched and cleanly shot film set in our period. No offence intended or taken, you understand, just my opinion .................. Regards, Kim Siddorn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Okay...here it goes. I have not chimed in in a long time. However, I feel compeled to respond here. Kim...with all do respect...get off your histoical high horse and applaude the effort here. At least someone is attempting to tell the "real story" or a reasonable facsimille thereof. Sure, it had it's flaws...IT'S A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE, NOT A DOCUMENTARY. I too noticed a lot things that should have been done differently, such as the Saxon chieftain's accent. He sounded like the bad guy in a Hollywood western. It wasn't perfect and so what. I enjoyed it, and my hat goes off to them. Said with the utmost respect in the spirit of discussion. Jeff "J K Siddorn" wrote: >I saw this about a week ago - don't ask - and was initially quite struck by it. Watching it a second time, I find more >to criticise. > >It's WAY too long. > >It is often confusing and suffers really badly from poor character development - I've seen better characterisation at a >30 minute Regia battle ;o)) Reece Winston is the only one that stands out and he just played himself. Ken Stott as the >ex pat Roman living in Scotland (pardon?) was far less convincing off the small screen and seemed to me to be out of his >depth. Kiera Knightley was decorative and certainly got stuck into the running and screaming bits. Make a fine >berserker, let's find her a shield and some sherbet. Arthur drifted too and fro looking earnest and looked OK in the >post Roman parade armour. > >The battle strategy & tactics were lacking in common sense, devoid of thought and made the big Saxon battle at the end a >laughing stock. I've seen better and more convincing displays of military expertise by Druidion. > >Which leaves the costumes, really. Honestly, it is too dark to see much of them, but mostly they are what you'd expect >of Hollywood. Ms Knightley looked fetching in her war paint and three plaited leather belts, but it seemed unlikely to >say the least that she'd wear less in battle than she wore in bed! > >It is a dark movie in a different way from (say) Alien was a dark movie. If it wasn't raining it was snowing and for the >actors and crew, it must have been a miserable, gloomy film to shoot. For the viewer it remains a dark, gloomy, >miserable experience to watch. There is nothing to lift the spirit, no glory, no heart rending partings and the credits >came as something of a relief. > >It has been said on this e-group that every generation should have the opportunity to have their own Arthur. If this >movie reflects the mood of the modern age, I feel sorry for them all, I really do. > >I'd rather have the Mallorian ideal in a full harness of field plate and play some Wagner over the last battle - or did >someone do that already ......... > >Regards, > >Kim Siddorn, > > > > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From dsunlin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 5 17:38:29 2004 From: dsunlin at hotmail.com (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Thu Aug 5 17:36:37 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain Message-ID: We (west coast rabble) will on the Hastings segment, coming up in November I think.. On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: "Hazel Uzzell" >Reply-To: list-Regia-NA >To: "list-Regia-NA" >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Battlefield Britain >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:20:35 +0100 > > > There is some new program on now called something like Command Decision > >I think we've had that one. I thought it was pathetic....but that's just >me. >:-) >Hazel > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From noid341 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 21:51:03 2004 From: noid341 at yahoo.com (Robert Neidlinger) Date: Thu Aug 5 21:49:11 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] WWLoom classes at Pennsic In-Reply-To: <001901c47b1a$d9212250$1b3b2944@hppav> Message-ID: <20040806015103.30236.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com> Carolyn and list, Wish I could attend, if for no other reason then to sit and compare notes while others are out beating each other to pieces. For those of you who do go and want to continue, or don't get to and want to start, and live in the D.C./Maryland area let me know and we will get together at some point. Brett has found that there are a good number of us in this area. So there may be some weavers in among them. Spinning as well, so if you use a drop spindle, or wish to, that is also something to look at getting together for.. And Brett, I actually took my WWLoom out and found a place to put it among the Glimakra and the Hammett in the basement, next to the meade. There is perhaps just a bit of room to walk. (To be honest, next to the others I don't have to justify the floor space for the WWLoom, try justifying the floor space for an 8 harness 160 cm Glimakra in a Townhouse.... Have an suggestions Carolyn?) Robert > From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:30 PM > Subject: [Regia-NA] WWLoom classes at Pennsic > > > > Dear folks, > > > > I will be teaching three classes related to the > warp-weighted loom this > > Pennsic. They're all in the class booklet. > > > > Wadmal I -- preparing a warp and dressing > the Icelandic style > wwloom > > > > Wadmal II -- knitting heddles and > beginning to weave 2/2 twill on > > the Icelandic style wwloom > > > > The WWLoom: It's Not Just for Weaving -- > other interesting ways > > to incorporate your wwloom into your exploration > of period textile > > techniques (aka, how to justify the floor space to > your S.O.!). > > > > Y'all come! > > > > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman óra Sharptooth > > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 5 21:51:38 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu Aug 5 21:50:33 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - Ouch! Message-ID: <031001c47b57$edb17de0$7d702052@kim1> Lead a boring life? Need to get out more? Don't knock it, you might be involved in one of these. http://www.cargolaw.com I hope you've got half an hour or so to spare - very compulsive browsing ......... Regards, Kim From marfield66 at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 5 23:47:52 2004 From: marfield66 at sympatico.ca (Martin Field) Date: Thu Aug 5 23:39:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dues Increase. References: <20040805133534.69804.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c47b68$2c34f5a0$7900a8c0@field> Hi John I'll unsubscribe you from this list - you will be welcome to re-establish contact with us at anytime in the future. In the meantime may I wish you every success with your seminary program. All the best Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Michalski" To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Dues Increase. > Greetings, > > Actually, this is a good time for me to officially let > you know that I won't be able to participate in Regia > right now. I have one year of a very intensive > seminary program starting in a couple of weeks, and > taking on anything else would be irresponsible in the > extreme. It would hav been fun, and is something to > keep in mind for the future, but now is not the time. > Could you please "unsubscribe" me from the list? > Thanks. > > Good luck to you and Regia NA! > > John > > --- Martin Field wrote: > > > As approved by George (Ealdor) and Jeanne > > (Treasurer) > > To current and prospective members - > > For the past six months or more we have been running > > a deficit on what we > > currently charge members in the USA ($25.00) and > > barely having any surplus > > for basic incidental operating costs from the > > Canadian dues ($40.00) for one > > year's membership of Regia N.A. > > The main culprit in this equasion is the > > international currency exchange > > rate where we need to send a 15.00 Pounds Capping > > Fee to the Regia UK > > treasury for each member. > > Allowing for minor fluctuations this now costs us in > > the region of $27.50 US > > and $37.50 Canadian so in the interests of literally > > keeping our heads above > > the fiscal high water mark we find it necessary to > > raise the U.S yearly > > membership dues to $30.00 and the Canadian > > membership dues to $42.50. > > I believe the former rate has held steady for in > > excess of two years so in > > balance of this and in view of the exchange rate we > > find this a necessesity > > as opposed to an option. > > May we ask that you understand the situation we face > > and accept the increase > > in the literal interests of sustainability. > > In my view the capping fee still provides a very > > good bang for the buck as > > it funds publications and their distribution which > > aren't cheap by any means > > in addition to many other incidental costs > > associated with running an > > organization such as ours. > > Please understand that it is our intent to keep this > > increase to an absolute > > minimum - I actually still expect to incur > > out-of-pocket expenses such as > > paying for the bank account monthly fees and some > > mailing costs to put this > > into context. > > I have requested the new rates to be posted up onto > > the ranamember web-site > > by my webmaster ASAP in view of the Aug, 1st joining > > option for new members. > > Please feel free to contact me if you have any Q's. > > All the best > > Martin - N.A Membership Sec. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-Regia-NA site list > > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 6 00:22:18 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Fri Aug 6 00:20:32 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Summer shows pics on Webshots Message-ID: <032a01c47b6c$fb0268a0$7d702052@kim1> I've put up pictures from Prebendal Manor, The National Archaeology Day in Kent and Cleethorpes in a new album at http://community.webshots.com/album/171671411MpSMsP Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. From Jurdank3123 at cs.com Fri Aug 6 01:45:01 2004 From: Jurdank3123 at cs.com (Jurdank3123@cs.com) Date: Fri Aug 6 01:43:11 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Message-ID: The film wasn't great...true. However, I still had fun and just kind of let go and allowed myself to accept the films falts, knowing there would probably be many and was more excited that they were attempting to tell the "historical" events which grew into the Aruthurian legends. The fact that Hollywood is greenlighting films of this nature is a good thing. Let us hope they continue to produce them, and let us also hope that they do there homework. It will only make them better. And yes Kim..."Lion in Winter" is an awesome film. Jeff "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Now who said that? I know somebody said that. From maelcaedmon at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:30:20 2004 From: maelcaedmon at yahoo.com (Jack Horner) Date: Fri Aug 6 12:28:25 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040806163020.71863.qmail@web14427.mail.yahoo.com> Nietzsche said that. But personally I feel that that which does not kill you leaves you in a weakened state, and easy prey for the carrion birds. Back to lurking, Jack Jurdank3123@cs.com wrote: "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Now who said that? I know somebody said that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Horner maelcaedmon@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/amhlaidgh/ In the grim future of Hello Kitty, there is only war. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040806/18370729/attachment.html From ingolf at mountedknights.com Fri Aug 6 13:20:08 2004 From: ingolf at mountedknights.com (ingolf) Date: Fri Aug 6 13:15:31 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" References: <20040806163020.71863.qmail@web14427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c47bd9$a3d06600$15132345@greg> some weaken but some scar and therin lies the strength. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Horner To: list-Regia-NA Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Nietzsche said that. But personally I feel that that which does not kill you leaves you in a weakened state, and easy prey for the carrion birds. Back to lurking, Jack Jurdank3123@cs.com wrote: "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Now who said that? I know somebody said that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Horner maelcaedmon@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/amhlaidgh/ In the grim future of Hello Kitty, there is only war. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040806/13f81a7b/attachment.html From trbrown at uga.edu Fri Aug 6 16:39:39 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Fri Aug 6 16:37:44 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - Ouch! Message-ID: <4227b5f3.6bc8597d.93b2500@punts5.cc.uga.edu> I went immediately to the "Weekly Piracy Reports", where I noted that most of the acts of piracy were accomplished with knives and/or swords(!). Hmmmm.... -- Tracie "We're not pirates, we're maritime entrepreneurs." >http://www.cargolaw.com From Jurdank3123 at cs.com Fri Aug 6 17:16:51 2004 From: Jurdank3123 at cs.com (Jurdank3123@cs.com) Date: Fri Aug 6 17:15:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" Message-ID: <01AC8131.26EEE4FE.3BEDF230@cs.com> Exactly ingolf wrote: >some weaken but some scar and therin lies the strength. ? > ?----- Original Message ----- > ?From: Jack Horner > ?To: list-Regia-NA > ?Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:30 PM > ?Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] "King Arthur" > > > ?Nietzsche said that. But personally I feel that that which does not kill you leaves you in a weakened state, and easy prey for the carrion birds. > > ?Back to lurking, > ?Jack > > > ?Jurdank3123@cs.com wrote: > > ? ?"That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Now who said that? I know > ? ?somebody said that. > > > > ?--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ?Jack Horner maelcaedmon@yahoo.com > ?http://www.geocities.com/amhlaidgh/ > > ?In the grim future of Hello Kitty, there is only war. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ?Do you Yahoo!? > ?New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ?_______________________________________________ > ?list-Regia-NA site list > ?list-Regia-NA@lig.net > ?http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 9 13:02:28 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon Aug 9 13:00:28 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] History Channel Filming References: <20040808001638.53981.qmail@web81403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c47e32$aa3c4e40$79722052@kim1> Thanks for that Jack, most of them work, but the last few don't appear., Very creditable effort - congratulations. Pity our weather isn't so pleasant in October ...... :o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Garrett" To: "Terry Anderson" ; "Mike Griffin" ; "Will Lopez" ; "John Maski" ; "John Maski" ; "Dennis McCooey" ; "Alfred Nunez" ; "Alfred Nunez" ; "Steven Shepard" ; "Jeff and Tricia Spires" ; "King Bodo" ; "Alina Boyden" ; "Dorian & Tricia Butcher" ; "Michael Cady" ; "Frank Eager" ; "Michele Gray" ; "Michele Gray" ; "Dan Howlett" ; "Diana Kaboos" ; "Mike Lindberg" ; "J Moretz" ; "Deborah Moyer" ; "Loren Moyer" ; "Cory Nielsen" ; "Henrik Olsgaard" ; "Tory Parker" ; "Steven Powell" ; "Dmitriy Ryaboy" ; "Douglas Sunlin" ; "Kay Tracy" ; "Glenn Van Dijk" ; "Jayde Van Doorn" ; "Regia UK E-group" ; "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: [Regia] History Channel Filming > On July 24th, members of Regia Anglorum North America and our local living history group, the Vikings of Kyrbyr, participated in the filming (taping, actually) of the Battle of Hastings episode of the History Channel series, "Command Decision." The slopes of Mt. Diablo in the San Francisco East Bay stood in for coastal southern England in October of 1066. Sort of... > > I managed to take a few photographs during the day and Diana Kaboos has kindly put them up on her site: > > http://www.geocities.com/kyrbyrvikings/HCCD.html > > If some of you who were there were able to take any photos, I'd love to add them to the collection. We had a great and unforgettable day and the more photos to help remember it by, the better. The episode is currently scheduled to air on 19 November, 2004. > > Jack > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/lEfwlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > Members information can be found at: http://members.regia.org > > Post message: regia@groups.yahoo.com > > Subscribe: eGroups@regia.org - saying who you are and which group > > Unsubscribe: regia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner (complaints/suggestions): eGroups@regia.org > > regia@groups.yahoo.com - Is there any alternative? > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regia/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > regia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From trbrown at uga.edu Mon Aug 9 15:27:55 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Mon Aug 9 15:25:52 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Last minute planners -- Pennsic Rider/Room-mates Wanted Message-ID: <9a85472c.6d4d462d.838ea00@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Please contact me off-list! Thank you. Regia content: I plan to be there for any 2nd week Regia get- togethers. I will have handicap parking, which will be relatively convenient to Talymar's camp, and for hauling folks to any off-site activities. If you're flying in, I probably can pick you up if you arrive between Aug 15-21. Breaking news: I have room in my car for 1 person and a moderate amount of stuff (got to leave space to bring back loot and plunder), leaving Athens GA Sat Aug 14 or Sun Aug 15, returning Sat Aug 21. I'll be happy to pick you up in the Atlanta area, or along the way (up I-75 or I-85, depending on where you are). Also, I will be camping in a non-smoking motel suite in Cranberry (I-79 & PA Turnpike)with an extra double bed and an extra pull-out double bed -- plenty of room for 1 or 2 other people. The suite also has a refrigerator, microwave, coffee- maker, pool, fitness center, laundry, iron & ironing board, and, of course, those all important hot showers and flush toilets. The motel is approximately 30 minutes from Pennsic, and the daily rate to be split is about $60.00. (What a deal!) The rider and room-mate(s) do not have to be the same people. If you're interested, please contact me off-list. Send me your phone number if you want, and I'll call you. -- Tracie/Signy (Veteran of Pennsic Wars -- all of them.) From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Tue Aug 10 14:04:35 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Tue Aug 10 14:09:31 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Miraculous Lights in the Sky! Message-ID: We're doomed. Make your peace with G_d and neighbors, because we all die this week. We'll be bombarded this week by THOUSANDS of projectiles from outer space, and the only way to escape death will be to be statistically normal -- not a very good option for this particular BCC list! The Perseids will be here in the wee hours of Thursday morning, AND there will be an additional stream, briefly, starting Wednesday about 4:50m EDT. The additional stream is predicted to have well over a hundred meteorites per hour. http://www.space.com/spacewatch/040806_perseid_guide.html http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/25jun_perseids2004.htm For best viewing, you shold be a considerable distance from cites like Pittsburg, and at least 1,392 feet above sea level, such as Slippery Rock, and ideally the area immediately surrounding you should be illuminated by nothing more than campfires, lanterns, or candles. (Of course, with our luck, it will be raining . . .) ============================================================ "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson ============================================================ From anitamonkey03 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 15:26:38 2004 From: anitamonkey03 at yahoo.com (Anita Benedicto) Date: Tue Aug 10 15:24:43 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] new to the list and looking for contacts In-Reply-To: <20040810160013.C8D9F1336D@mail.lig.net> Message-ID: <20040810192638.83606.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all, I'm new to the list and am looking for local contact(s) for Regia NA. I live in Portland, Oregon. I tried the link for the Oregon contact, but it's bounced twice. Any idea who might be in my area that I could talk with about what's happening (or not) locally? Thanks for any help you might offer. Anita/Aradia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040810/49adb0a6/attachment.html From dsunlin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 16:35:00 2004 From: dsunlin at hotmail.com (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue Aug 10 16:32:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] new to the list and looking for contacts Message-ID: Anita: You're in luck! Regia in Portland is alive an well. Try this site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland_Regia/ On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: Anita Benedicto >Reply-To: list-Regia-NA >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: [Regia-NA] new to the list and looking for contacts >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT) > >Greetings all, > >I'm new to the list and am looking for local contact(s) for Regia NA. I >live in Portland, Oregon. I tried the link for the Oregon contact, but it's >bounced twice. Any idea who might be in my area that I could talk with >about what's happening (or not) locally? Thanks for any help you might >offer. > >Anita/Aradia > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 12 17:21:48 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu Aug 12 17:19:40 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Wychurst last weekend. Message-ID: <00ed01c480b2$6093f5e0$79722052@kim1> Diary - 7/8th August 2004 There were at various times 10 - 12 of us at Wychurst this last weekend (7th/8th August). The weather was just glorious, hot in the afternoon but as the ground is now well covered with greenstuff , the baking "frying pan" effect of earlier years has gone now. Now we are working in a forest clearing and to be honest it is pretty idyllic. Saturday started early at 7.30am with the delivery of twenty tonnes of graded Lyde beach shingle, the infill for the drainage ditch. Aly Higginson had already collected the liner, a one-way rotproof fabric that encases the shingle fill, turning it into a large diameter pipe that takes the water from the eaves drip and leads it out to the moat. To complete it, the shingle is covered with a layer of hand-selected flint nodules that hides the liner and looks normal in a flint-rich area. Working exclusively on the Longhall as we were few, there were two tasks we set out to address, pegging joints and filling the drainage trench. Two teams coagulated and whilst us woody people got on with fitting square pegs into round holes, the somewhat fitter bodies (The Barrow Wights!) were equipped with the two wheelbarrows we had already and two new, shiny ones from B&Q. All day Matt Scully (the new guy), Dave Wilson, Stephie James and either Nigel Amos or Jesper Lorenzen trundled their barrows up and down, filling the ditch. The end of day two saw the task of filling the oblong ditch around the Hall itself completed on two sides. At Woody End, the shaping and sizing of seasoned off cuts into doweling and the production of pegs, capable of being driven into the holes at every joint in the building was tackled by Chris Boulton (whose idea it was) Steve Etheridge, Paul Assheton, Kevin Cowley, Kim Siddorn and on Sunday, Julian Foad . Julian is fresh back from Roskilde and sailing longship replicas. He was the only one who put his hand up when the group was asked if any of them had sailing experience and promptly found himself on the helm! Di Wall appeared with a wooden box of mugs of squash and water at about twenty minute intervals throughout both days and ensured our survival. She also dealt with food production and arranged tasty rolls and hot drinks in Wychurst fashion for breakfast and lunch. She made everyone's task a great deal more pleasant and her cheerful quiet competence moved the day along. As we were few, Regia treated everyone to a pub meal on Saturday evening. Thank you to Aly Higginson for getting the trench liner from Herne Bay and for the loan of her camp kitchen yet again. Finally, a word about the site itself. As I said earlier, it is now a pleasant clearing in the woods and because we have spent weeks and weeks of backbreaking toil first felling the tall weeds called Corsican Pine and then raking off the acidic resinous needle drop, the ground is rewarding our efforts by burgeoning growth. All over the cleared parts of the site, the heather is sprouting through the grass. Originally, this part of Kent was open heathland and it is remarkable to see the native plants re-appearing in such numbers. We've become used to the susurration of the silver birch, some of which are growing well and filling out into their height, others providing ground cover and in the autumn, a natural deciduous leaf fall. Goat willow, oak, ash, hazel, holly, broom and rowan have appeared on their own without any effort on our part. Bramble covers a good deal of the rampart now - a natural defence if ever I saw one - and Di picked four pounds of blackberries in twenty minutes for our very first batch of Wychurst Bramble jam. My Hazel used to make a lot of jam when the kids were small and swiftly converted the fruit into three jars of tasty jam, one of which I'll have with me during the work week for the delectation of those present!. I very much look forward to my weekends at Wychurst, hard work in good and cheerful company and the indefinable sense of achieving something which far exceeds the sum of its parts. If you've not been to Wychurst yet or perhaps not for a year or so, then I do most sincerely urge you to do so soon. Before many more months are out, this - the largest re-construction of a building from our period in Britain - will be complete and with that completion, the chance to contribute to its structure will be past. But then there is the decoration, the woodcarving, the floor, the limewash, the shingles - all 26,000 of them! Plenty left to do and I suppose there always will be. Dates for next year............. Here are the outline dates for 2005 - please note some of these are still to be confirmed, but I have already taken into account next year's shows as I have them. I've had to make early outline bookings for the Scout Hall at Wychurst, which is why I can tell you so far in advance what we are doing next year. Further shows are under negotiation and I'll say more when they are confirmed. 2005 York Battle etc - 19th Feb Wychurst - Easter (23rd - 26th March) Wychurst - April 16/17th Fritton Lake - Apr 30th - 2nd May Wychurst - May 14/15th Oxfordshire - May 28th - 30th Wychurst - June 18/19th Major show - July 16-17th Wychurst - August 20th - 26th Military Odyssey - 27th - 29th Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. From trbrown at uga.edu Fri Aug 13 17:42:53 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Fri Aug 13 17:40:39 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Hurricane Charley Message-ID: Please keep Regia members Sid/Inge and Grace/Aelfgifu in your thoughts and prayers. Sid lives very near landfall of this Category 4 hurricane. I don't know if she has evacuated, but she is in an evacuation area, so she probably has. Grace lives in an area that saw some flooding and storms with Hurricane Barbara last week, but is considered safe enough to be a staging area for recover efforts for Charley. Cat 4 hurricanes have sustained winds over 145 mph. Thanks. -- Tracie/Signy From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 13 19:18:18 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Fri Aug 13 19:16:11 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - sounds like a familier sentiment! Message-ID: <03a301c4818b$d5037f70$79722052@kim1> >From rec.crafts.textiles.sewing, which isn't all that different a set of people 8-) >Fabricaholic's Will > >Being of sound mind and body, I _____, do hereby record my last will and >testament, knowing that _______, my ________, (husband, sister, >daughter, etc.) has no appreciation of, or in some instances knowledge >of, my extensive fabric collection deposited throughout the house. > >Knowing also that ____ has notified the local thrift store should I >precede him or her to the great fabric shop in the sky, to pick up and >dispose of the aforementioned collection. > >Therefore, I do will this collection, and all collections related to it, >to my dear fabric preservationist _______. It is my wish that >______________, upon hearing of my death and obtaining clear proof that >I did not manage, although goodness know I tried, to take it with me, >would come to my home post haste, before the dumpster, search out my >collection which is similarly stored. That said collection should be >rescued and stacked in my quilting studio along with my sewing machines, >frames, old buttons, lace, patterns, quilts, dolls and works in progress. > >And after this has been done that refreshments should be purchased for >my friends, not yet departed, which friends are also _________'s >friends, and every last one shall be in that room and they shall hold a >wake and say lovely and kind things about me until they run out and then >they shall divide amongst themselves, by lot, my wonderful collection. > >I shall be hovering over that very spot until this is done. ___________ >shall then quit this spot and close the door leaving the car, the house >and all the stocks and bonds and other worldly trivialities to those who >don't understand. > >This is my wish in the matter. > >Signed __________________________ >Date ______________ Regards, Kim From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 13 19:20:50 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Fri Aug 13 19:18:43 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT again - Hot cross rabbit Message-ID: <03b401c4818c$2f9c8d50$79722052@kim1> Take a look at this. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1214492,00.html Regards, Kim From ckerr at spectranet.ca Fri Aug 13 19:35:15 2004 From: ckerr at spectranet.ca (Chris Kerr) Date: Fri Aug 13 19:27:18 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - sounds like a familier sentiment! References: <03a301c4818b$d5037f70$79722052@kim1> Message-ID: <003f01c4818e$306cc3b0$529b08d8@boatanchor> We had a policy much like this in the Army. When a unit member died (regardless of the manner of death), all of the kit that he owned (and usually some that he didn't) has put in a big pile outside the mess of which he was a member. Everyone gathered around and the "executor" would auction off all of the man's stuff. When everything was gone, everyone headed in to the mess and the money raised was used to buy drinks until it ran out. Chris Kerr From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Sat Aug 14 08:20:32 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:18:16 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Hurricane Charley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After growing up in New Orleans and living through MANY a hurricane. DO NOT stay quiet if you need ANYTHING! Email me or the group. I will send a care package. When disaster strikes, PRIDE is of no use!! Jeanne From dave_womble at verizon.net Sat Aug 14 22:16:20 2004 From: dave_womble at verizon.net (Dave) Date: Sat Aug 14 22:14:06 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking lamellar discussion on Arador.com Message-ID: <001101c4826d$db50faa0$6401a8c0@davespc> hey all, I'm pretty new to the list, but I have an intense passion for all things viking and thought I'd share this. Someone posted an article on Armourarchive.org regarding the Birka lamellar fragments, and then another fellow by the name of Dan Howard posted it on Arador.com, a site I help moderate. The two of us got into a rather animated discussion, and I just thought I'd share it. I'm no expert, just an enthusiast, but I still feel lamellar armour is not out of the question, despite the lack of hard evidence either in the form of actual extant pieces or literary/artistic evidence. Let me know what you all think. I've been wracking my brain trying to find other possible sources, but i have to admit I cant find any, *yet*, but I havnt begun to read any of the Sagas yet, I'm still working on the dozen or so reference books I have. http://www.arador.com/discforums/index.php?showtopic=1977 Thanks, and enjoy. Dave Womble -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040814/5e89d940/attachment.html From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 15 01:36:56 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun Aug 15 01:34:54 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Hurricane Charley References: Message-ID: <411EF678.9050103@bellsouth.net> Jeanne wrote: > After growing up in New Orleans and living through MANY a hurricane. DO NOT > stay quiet if you need ANYTHING! > > Email me or the group. I will send a care package. > > When disaster strikes, PRIDE is of no use!! > > Jeanne Especially when the things are 3-400 miles wide and go inland for six or seven hundred miles. When Fran hit and knocked down 25% of all the huge trees, mostly the nut bearers that the animals fed on, we had chainsaws and huge trucks for six months. They literally ground up a small mountain of trees north of town and will be selling mulch for many years. Lumber prices dropped to nil. No one had any idea what to do with tens of thousands, if not millions of trees down. They are still in the forests here lying sideways. That was in NC, when it went on up and hit a GDH brother of mine in New Jersey a third his town burned down from gas fires during the flood, including the whole business area. We raised money to help him and his sons move elsewhere to begin again. He was a fireman and lost his home. It was the local SCA people that rescued each other here. One friend came to fix our roof and I offered him old work clothes so he wouldn't get tar on himself. Nope. Went up clean, came down looking like the tarbaby of Uncle Remus Tales. More black tar on him than on the roof. I still kid him about that. At ten inches per hour for a while water was coming in everywhere. Penetrating the brick walls, chimney, percolating up through the concrete basement floor, flooding in through the door down there, etc. The wind pressure was forcing it through the mortar sideways. My neighbor's driveway ended up under his boat, when it got tired of playing with his gullied driveway, it took a left turn into his basement. They were scooping gravel out from under the boat and hauling it uphill to pack again for weeks. It's happened twice since then. We then loaned our SCA friends chainsaws, a high limb rope chainsaw, a bow and arrow to shoot the line over the limbs, and any other other tools of rescue and he and the other SCA took off to rescue others. I suppose I should note here that I had been disabled for several years then. But I could still supply the equipment for others. Right now we have several chainsaws, two gas and two electric, one of which is a pole saw. A number of people whose houses were covered with trees, vehicles too, even one couple whose particle board floor was gone benefited by our loaning out tools and dehumidifiers to dry their things. I seem to recall loaning our cargo van. We were hit fairly hard ourselves, my sister had about twenty trees down on her house and cars. Looked like a game of pickup sticks. Finally, a number of local SCA bused down to the flooded towns along the rivers, where the water had gotten as high as ten feet on the houses, where the hog sewage lagoons had burst and even vaults were floating down to the sound from cemeteries, to rescue animals and help people reclaim their things. So here in NC at least our barony has a sizable history of rescue of others. Raleigh had three people killed. Lots drowned downriver. One woman was sitting in her trailer when a large tree came down like a giant club, one volunteer firefighter got hit by a tree coming down as he responded to a call, one man later was found under the stump of a tree his coworker cut the tree loose from. Like clapping a large hand. Our friend Sir Gunther's neighbors drowned in Rocky Mount. Now figure that New Orleans is 17 feet below sea level and if the dikes burst... They have to bury the dead in crypts above the water table down there. Not quite like floating off into the great beyond unidentified in your watertight burial vault which popped out of the earth but still... Near my mother in law's in Union County, near Charlotte, NC, 300 miles and more inland everyone in the county got hit. The force of the wind intensifies between the hills in the low area and it focuses it. I saw one fairly small road sign on 6" I beams each side, twisted like licorice. Magnus From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 15 01:44:59 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun Aug 15 01:42:54 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking lamellar discussion on Arador.com References: <001101c4826d$db50faa0$6401a8c0@davespc> Message-ID: <411EF85B.5030305@bellsouth.net> Dave wrote: > hey all, > > I'm pretty new to the list, but I have an intense passion for all things > viking and thought I'd share this. > > Someone posted an article on Armourarchive.org regarding the Birka > lamellar fragments, and then another fellow by the name of Dan Howard > posted it on Arador.com, a site I help moderate. The two of us got into > a rather animated discussion, and I just thought I'd share it. I'm no > expert, just an enthusiast, but I still feel lamellar armour is not out > of the question, despite the lack of hard evidence either in the form of > actual extant pieces or literary/artistic evidence. > > Let me know what you all think. I've been wracking my brain trying to > find other possible sources, but i have to admit I cant find any, *yet*, > but I havnt begun to read any of the Sagas yet, I'm still working on the > dozen or so reference books I have. > > http://www.arador.com/discforums/index.php?showtopic=1977 > > Thanks, and enjoy. > > Dave Womble The best history of lamellar armour I have seen in English is in Bengt Thordemann's Armour from the Battle of Wisby 1351, recently reprinted. You might also try Leather and the Warrior by Waterman which is obtainable only in England. Try http//www.countrybookstore.co.uk/ I think. Most lamellar I have pictures of is often Asian, sometimes lacquered rawhide or cross-welded wrought iron plates. Certainly the Terracotta Army is wearing lamellar armour. The history of that stuff is in rather hard to obtain, and very expensive books written by the Chinese scholars about ten or fifteen years ago. The author of one had obviously been through the cultural revolution as he was pointedly inviting correction to any of his assumptions on the theory that -something- must be wrong with some of them. Good book otherwise. Which Birka book is it? I have two of the three sets? Magnus From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Sun Aug 15 05:51:30 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Sun Aug 15 05:49:09 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Hurricane Charley In-Reply-To: <411EF678.9050103@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: That's great! Mobile home/trailer should never be used in the same sentence as Hurricane! One woman was sitting in her trailer when a large tree came down like a giant club, one volunteer firefighter got hit by a tree coming down as he responded to a call, one man later was found under the stump of a tree his coworker cut the tree loose from. Like clapping a large hand. Our friend Sir Gunther's neighbors drowned in Rocky Mount. We're only about 6 feet not that much! Now figure that New Orleans is 17 feet below sea level and if the dikes burst... They have to bury the dead in crypts above the water table down there. Not quite like floating off into the great beyond unidentified in your watertight burial vault which popped out of the earth but still... From NickBibby at aol.com Sun Aug 15 06:29:35 2004 From: NickBibby at aol.com (NickBibby@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 15 06:27:24 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? Message-ID: <1d4.28370fef.2e50950f@aol.com> This is just a suggestion and may be a] unfeasible or b] too much work, but.............. Wouldn't it be a great idea for Regia to have an online bibliography of all those great reference books that we all have, or would like to have? Just a list of titles and authors + a brief synopsis of content. Then at least those wanting to research a subject know which books to start looking for in libraries or bookshops, which is half the battle. People are always posting info on books they've found or would like, so wouldn't it make sense to organise a regularly updated list as part of the members section? What do the great and good think? You could put out a general call for recommended titles from your membership, I expect it would turn up quite a few titles that are new to most. I know it would involve a lot of work, but it could only help promote a more widespread interest and understanding of our period by the "general" membership and would be an enormous boost to newer members [such as myself] Cheers, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040815/60067059/attachment.html From dave_womble at verizon.net Sun Aug 15 09:19:06 2004 From: dave_womble at verizon.net (Dave) Date: Sun Aug 15 09:16:51 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking lamellar discussion on Arador.com References: <001101c4826d$db50faa0$6401a8c0@davespc> <411EF85B.5030305@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <002201c482ca$71bc7f80$6401a8c0@davespc> Oh I know about Wisby and China, the discussion is regarding lamellar in a viking context, and there-in lies the problem....the article that was cited basically debunks the Birka finds. I can accept that, but I cant accept the conclusion that Vikings in Scandinavia never wore lamellar armour. I know there is no other extant evidence, and as of yet no literary or artisic evidence, but I feel its too grand a claim to make they never used it. Any lamellar that may have been used would most likely have come to Scandinavia by way of Byzantium and to a lesser extent Asia Minor by way of the trade routes. Thordemans book is not relevant, Wisby was in 1361, we're talking 8th-10th centuries. Dave > > The best history of lamellar armour I have seen in English is in Bengt > Thordemann's Armour from the Battle of Wisby 1351, recently reprinted. > You might also try Leather and the Warrior by Waterman which is > obtainable only in England. Try http//www.countrybookstore.co.uk/ > I think. Most lamellar I have pictures of is often Asian, sometimes > lacquered rawhide or cross-welded wrought iron plates. Certainly > the Terracotta Army is wearing lamellar armour. The history of that > stuff is in rather hard to obtain, and very expensive books written > by the Chinese scholars about ten or fifteen years ago. The author > of one had obviously been through the cultural revolution as he was > pointedly inviting correction to any of his assumptions on the > theory that -something- must be wrong with some of them. Good book > otherwise. > > Which Birka book is it? I have two of the three sets? > > Magnus > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From trbrown at uga.edu Sun Aug 15 18:14:09 2004 From: trbrown at uga.edu (Tracie Brown) Date: Sun Aug 15 18:11:49 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - sounds like a familier sentiment! Message-ID: <9edd6d70.70737a67.8f3f400@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Bumper sticker #1: Whoever dies with the most fabric wins! Bumper sticker #2: Whoever dies with the most fabric is dead. When's the estate sale? -- Tracie From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 15 19:21:37 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 19:19:16 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] someone we know In-Reply-To: 2453231.209141ketil@argonet.co.uk Message-ID: <20040815232137.4862.qmail@web86906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I include this article sent to me from another list.I'm sure there are a few peeps out there who remember the people written about? http://www.http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132249&command=displayContent&sourceNode=131707&contentPK=10755688 I hope this link works,if not paste it together or what ever computer mumbo jumbo that it is that needs to be done? Regards, Mik If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040816/dd65f1ca/attachment.html From NickBibby at aol.com Mon Aug 16 20:21:07 2004 From: NickBibby at aol.com (NickBibby@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 16 20:18:56 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Padded jerkins/gambesons Message-ID: <79.312dcdd9.2e52a973@aol.com> OK, I've now got my 5ft square unlined plain tabby single layer wool cloak pinned correctly [Phew, thanks for saving lots of wasted effort there folks] So next question. Padded jerkin to go under chainmail or as stand alone leather armour - So leather faced, obviously, but........ What pattern? [10thC] How heavily padded? Best padding material? Do you pad the underarms and walk around like the Michelin Man or leave them unpadded and die horribly from a thrust to the armpit just as you're about to deliver "The Great Stroke"? Best method of attaching/stuffing/stitching padding? The only evidence I've found was the 9thC Loch Glashan Jerkin, which now appears to actually be a book satchel, so no help there. What does evidence and practical experience suggest? HEEEELP!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040816/2726240c/attachment.html From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 16 20:45:11 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon Aug 16 20:43:29 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? References: <1d4.28370fef.2e50950f@aol.com> Message-ID: <41215517.6050501@bellsouth.net> NickBibby@aol.com wrote: > This is just a suggestion and may be a] unfeasible or b] too much work, > but.............. > > Wouldn't it be a great idea for Regia to have an online bibliography of > all those great reference books that we all have, or would like to have? > Just a list of titles and authors + a brief synopsis of content. Yes, but... > Then at least those wanting to research a subject know which books to > start looking for in libraries or bookshops, which is half the battle. > People are always posting info on books they've found or would like, so > wouldn't it make sense to organise a regularly updated list as part of > the members section? Yes, the MEMBERS SECTION. > What do the great and good think? You could put out a general call for > recommended titles from your membership, I expect it would turn up quite > a few titles that are new to most. I know it would involve a lot of > work, but it could only help promote a more widespread interest and > understanding of our period by the "general" membership and would be an > enormous boost to newer members [such as myself] I have several hundred pages of book citations - some of which list the objects in the books and articles and magazines and offprints. However, that covers maybe 5% of what I actually own. It would take me several years full time to cite the rest and it still wouldn't be complete as to every object. You can subscribe to the British Archaeological Association website for around $30 per year membership to search what is in British stuff but you still won't get a good idea of what is in other languages or even in English from other countries. Scandinavians tend to write in German sometimes (and for some odd reason (showing off their eductions or sheer generosity) sometimes in English), which is the scientific language of Northern Europe, and the Germans rarely write in anything else. In fact some of the German book dealers won't even respond/ship to you outside the country. Some want very costly international bank transfers first right into their accounts. Runs $30-60 extra. Scandinavians, British, and Dutch dealers have no problem in this regard, although Danish law forbids email orders by credit card unless it is by a letter/fax and you may have to send cash by mail instead. Danes seem to be quite honest though. I've sent large amounts to them and not been disappointed yet. > Cheers, > Nick. If it is for Regia's purposes, and you want any chance at obtaining some rare German or Scandinavian books of low printings then I would make it a password protected site. British stuff is generally easier to find but there are so very many individual archaeological societies in Britain and frequently unless you have the exact volume number and fascicule you won't see a title in the series when it is listed for sale from sets in bought up libraries. Speaking as someone who has looked for certain books for years before obtaining some, and never found some others, I personally don't ever post on books I am still looking for until after I have obtained them. In my experience some people steal books of use to them if they know of them in public libraries. We returned boxes full that one thief here left when she fled town in front of multiple new warrants. She was already on probation/parole for $10,000 worth of bad checks her in just one shopping center. She had stolen books from about ten to twenty libraries in five or so other states she had lived in. She'd tear out the identifying marks and sell some of them. When her ex-roomate called me to come and see what our local SCA group could do with what was left behind I found boxes full of books we sent back if we could still determine where they came from, found tools and things of mine she had stolen (some of which I thought someone else had never returned but he had) and mail from various people in her apartment building. *** The people who knew she did this and was on parole said absolutely nothing to the rest of us whom she also victimized.*** Her name was Louise Varie Flanagan outside the SCA and she fled back to Texas after buying $750 worth of camping equipment for her hitchhike in flight to back there with yet another fraudulent check. The desperate Great Outdoor Provision Store employees came to several of our houses looking for her. Long gone by that time. NC wasn't interested in extraditing her for her many misdemeanors although she had left her address book behind in her flight. They were about to rearrest her. A misdemeanor here brings anything up to two years for each infraction. She had dozens and was only allowed out to attempt to repay the people she'd stolen from. She never did you see. Instead she kept writing fraudulent checks and stealing from stores and her friends, those who thought she was a friend. As I said those who knew said nothing about it. If she is alive now she is probably in a mental institution. This was about 1984. She even stole from a convent library. However, she is far from being the only one that takes books from institutions or friends. This is one reason we decided after 17 1/2 years of generously opening our library and armoury to general use we closed it. We had maybe ten of her in lesser circumstances. The biggest local SCA thief and liar is a Peer now, the runner up is a Baroness (she claimed someone innocent had stolen our book from her, and she even went to the girl's parents to accuse her.). So giving resources isn't always a good idea, unless you can control who has access to the information - if Regia intends to use it for itself. Otherwise at the rate regia.org is searched by thousands of people in and out of Regia, mostly out, for information you will simply be making it harder for you yourselves to obtain access to. Prices will go up due to scarcity and most archaeological books have very small printings. Often they are very hard to find if you do keep mum about them. Viking Artefacts by the British Museum has a printing of only 800. That took me three years and five attempts to locate one for myself. Ever try to find all the major Sutton Hoo books? Some things I own have printings of less than 50. Some out of copyright books I have never found to buy and finally xeroxed for my research I don't tell people about because they are so rare or fragile. A german book on medieval lovers caskets would be one of these. The only one that appeared in six years was in Venice at $400 plus expensive shipping and then out of state sales taxes here. So it would have cost me every bit of $500. It was out of copyright though. Large folio sized. With FMS it took two of us to copy it as it was so big and we were being so careful not to damage it on the copier. I told maybe five serious medieval wood and leather workers about it with a plea not to post about it online as it would likely be destroyed. But I wanted the best craftsmen who might replicate the material modernly to have access. It was very hard to borrow. The one in my state is in locked stacks only accessible to professors. It finally came from a less careful institution far away. I still look for it online to buy an original copy. Several years later I still haven't seen one available for sale again. Some books online are kept artificially high far above their real useful value. There are a number of leather books like this. What is really aggravating is to find the same book listed by more than one dealer on line. The more expensive listing is posted by someone hoping to sell it with a hold on the less expensive book in another bookshop in case he can sell it for more. But the higher poster didn't even own it. I cannot find the logic for this behavior at all. When I tried to buy it I was told it was on hold for the other dealer. After several weeks I finally called back and bought it through someone else working at the same store for the lesser price. Most of Waterman's overhyped books on historical leatherwork are on line at about twice their practical value. The one that purports to cover most useful items - Spanish Leather simply illustrates embossed leather wall coverings instead of the twenty items like gloves etc that it says it covers in the title. So sometimes you spend your money for very little return. The book on Leather Bottels by another English author has some nice illustrations but deliberately leaves out the most necessary information to make modern copies of bottels, costrels, and jacks so the antiquarian market couldn't be flooded. We make lots of them now but the book itself is in the $250 to $400 range. It is a rare private printing though of only 250. A few books I have helped get reprinted that looked useful. English Medieval Chests, Ancient Locks and Keys, The Mastermyr Find, and one I failed to get reprinted that Master Finnr badly wanted to get reprinted for people too. I simply took up his quest after he died. Unfortunately it came to nought. But I tried at some trouble and expense. I had to buy his copy to be used for reprinting from his widow and I paid a good sum for it. Mine wasn't going to get taken apart. The man that might have reprinted it but said no in Washington still has it. I have written a lot of bibliographies for different subjects, many of which are in the Florilegium.org. So I am not always mum after I obtain what I was searching for. I have roughly 250 pages of stuff I have been looking for in terms of citations, about a third of which I have found and need to weed out. But if Regia wants access to the items or any chance of buying them I would not put them on the main Regia site, not title the webpage for easy search and use some obscure site. I know this is what my Hordebrothers have done with a private site or two. One page even has a blank page with a hidden access button. One has code words access for members only which they must ask for and obtain. If this sounds terribly less than charitable, consider the consequences for your own ability to access the materials. What happens in many cases is if the rarities are not stolen or damaged they end up in locked stacks that sometimes only grad students or professors can access and check out. Some some institutions simply refuse to interlibrary loan them out. Especialy if they become popular loaned items and are rarely there or damaged in the process, which with copiers is very easy to do. Frequently pages can get caught in the frames around the glass, or fingers can pick up and transfer ink, people have children and dogs at home, some simply don't return them on time, or ever. This has been our house library's experience too. Broken spines, missing covers, teeth marks, difficult recoveries. Some losses. One book on shoes I borrowed prior to Shoes and Pattens coming out looked like the whole Middle Kingdom had xeroxed it first and then marched over it. It was only about twenty years old then. It was in almost as bad condition as Ancient Locks and Keys (1883) was when I borrowed it. I think two of forty pages were still attached and it was crumbling after a bit more than 110 years. As it was from Chicago perhaps Houdini, and all the yeggs and creepers (safecrackers) had possibly studied it over the years for clues. :) Not that it was good for combination locks but some ancient styles of locks are still being made in asia and africa. Bought a Tibetan lock just last month that operates of the same principles as some of the viking era locks. tlc@teleport.com if you want a copy. Has English Medieval Chests as well. The Mastermyr Find on a viking toolchest and it's contents with fish griddle and cauldron may be obtained for $20 from Norm Larson Books / larbooks@impulse.net. Think of it as my way of preserving and making the more useful books available for the average reenactor at a reasonable price. Locks and Keys has two added articles the printer added and a bibliography by me on locks that I seriously need to update as I have found many new resources. But the same bibliography may be found at the Florilegium.org website. ............... If the little van's transmission hadn't died Saturday we'd be on our way to help clean out the family manse of possibly thousands of books. The repairs are costing me several thousand plus dollars. The late stepfather liked novels at the rate of one per night. He also had a number of history books. I can think of a lot of wounded soldiers in need of diversions to keep their minds off their problems while recuperating. I have suggested this as a new SCA Baronial Charity here. There have been about 8,000 wounded with many new ones to come I am sure. Then there are those in need of repetitive or long term care. If the books are up there like they used to be I shall be bringing a great many books and other things back to the local VA Hospitals in Asheville, Durham and -Fayetteville- especially. The little van's for my handicapped travelling stuff. Ann will be driving my big blue one ton extended van to be bringing other things back in. Possibly a computer, televisions, video players, etc for them too. It's our way of demonstrating obligation and honor to the military. Last year the wife and I sent hundreds of dollars worth of money and things to the soldiers and children in need of food overseas. It would not be a bad idea if other groups did something similar. Those people are sacrificing so the war won't be fought here. Last year our Barony raised over $600 at one local event for a charity in one day. ............ Just my two cents, Magnus who is constantly in danger of bookslides and has bought many thousands of books from roughly twenty coutries. Eleven just arrived from Britain today. In another big British airmail bag which is wonderful for bedding and cloaks, even chairs in transit. Although Swedish Airmail bags are by far the ultimate. :) From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 17 02:09:59 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 02:07:35 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Padded jerkins/gambesons In-Reply-To: <79.312dcdd9.2e52a973@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040817060959.99508.qmail@web86901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Nick,the way i made my Gamberson is based on a 15thc Jack.30 layers of Linen in the front,20 in the back & 9 in each arm,quilted in a diamond pattern for no particular reason other than i like the way it looks.I placed the layers so the seams were not in the same place so that a ridge was not formed & the arm hole got larger with each layer so that a gradual increase in depth was achieved.Yes there is less protection under the arms but some sacrifice must be made for the sake of movement.I made my Gamberson in the classic t shirt shape which in reflection is a mistake.Make yours fitted so that it gradually narows toward the waist{it wont bunch then when you put on a belt?} flaring out again to cover the hips with either enough space for you to move your legs or a split side or front so that you can move your legs. Just because i made mine with Linen doesn't mean you have to,you could use Linen tow if you can get it or loose wool or the age old saver of layers of woolen blanket.When i first made my Gamberson it stood up on it's own but now it's relaxing.It's about an inch thick at the front & for demonstration purposes is top knotch but for re-enactment it's maybe a little heavy weight?If i had the choice again 20 layers in the front would be the way to go.It's worth noting that the English Jack made to the same pattern was considered better at turning an arrow by the archers wearing them than plate armour.I think it works like a kevlar vest?It would certainly be very useful against slashing attacks or crushing blows especially under mail? Regards, Mik NickBibby@aol.com wrote: OK, I've now got my 5ft square unlined plain tabby single layer wool cloak pinned correctly [Phew, thanks for saving lots of wasted effort there folks] So next question. Padded jerkin to go under chainmail or as stand alone leather armour - So leather faced, obviously, but........ What pattern? [10thC] How heavily padded? Best padding material? Do you pad the underarms and walk around like the Michelin Man or leave them unpadded and die horribly from a thrust to the armpit just as you're about to deliver "The Great Stroke"? Best method of attaching/stuffing/stitching padding? The only evidence I've found was the 9thC Loch Glashan Jerkin, which now appears to actually be a book satchel, so no help there. What does evidence and practical experience suggest? HEEEELP!!!!!! If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040817/6e807cbf/attachment.html From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 17 04:14:40 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue Aug 17 04:06:46 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? References: <1d4.28370fef.2e50950f@aol.com> <41215517.6050501@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <001501c48432$3f0f1200$0200a8c0@mshome.net> We were thinking, you know......more like, baby steps? :-) Hazel From phils at clara.net Tue Aug 17 05:57:17 2004 From: phils at clara.net (Phil Scott) Date: Tue Aug 17 05:54:56 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons References: <79.312dcdd9.2e52a973@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c48440$95230490$ac5b08c3@lz0d2pf1f678b3u> I made a leather faced gambeson about four years ago, which is still going strong and provides good solid protection. I used a square quilting largely because I thought it was a reasonable interpretation of one of the garments being loaded on to ships on the Bayeux Tapestry. I believe diamond shaped quilting is authentic, whilst tubes are generally associated with the C12. My gambie has a linen inner, followed by five layers of woollen blanket with an outer leather cover. This started off about 1.5-2cm thick but over the years has compacted to a solid 6-8mm. At various points I reduced the padding (under the arms for example) to ease movement, and after trying to put the thing on, cut armpit holes. I also double layered the leather over the shoulders for increased protection. There is an elongated slit form the arm hole on the left hand side (my shield arm) to facilitate getting the gambie off. I used linen carpet repair thread for the quilting as it seemed the strongest available authentie thread around; and after four year I've only had one small section wear away from the action of the chainmail. If I was making another gambeson I wouldn't make it in the way I did, but would make it flat and sew up the sides as the last action in its construction. You will also need to allow 3-5cm in width for shrinkage as you quilt the garment (which I didn't allow for, hence having to cut the arm pit holes). Having made one, the way I'd make another would be to make a loose fitting tunic from what ever I was using as my inner, although only lightly tacking the sides. Once I was happy with the fit, unpick the sides and lay it flat. Use this as a cut-out for the padding (I used old blankets, and I vaguely recall lightly tacking them together to make it easier to work with them as a group). I'd do the padding evenly all over and them start to reduce/increase it once it is attached to the inner. Once you are happy with the inner and padding you can then attach you leather (quilting pins are extremely useful at this point) and starting from the centre line (down the length of the garment) begin to quilt it ( I used back stitch). Once you have quilted the whole of the garment you can sew up the sides, then trim the edges with a material of your choice - I used a nice fine wool which has only worn away in one small place. I would also sew in a loop of linen (like you get for hanging coats up) to serve as a pulling point to ease getting it off. Hey presto you have a gambeson! I found it useful to have loads of carpet thread (it uses vast quantities in the quilting), a good number of the small household leather needles and a pair of pliers - to save the muscles in your hands from pulling the thread through the leather repeatedly. Don't do as I did and sew the sides up first then quilt, it takes longer and I went through enough leather needles to build a pocket battleship as they tended to snap as I pulled them through to the inside and promptly hit the other side of the garment - especially true on the arms. You are more than welcome to look at my gambie any time. It took lots of work, but doesn't look like all too many gambies do, as two old blankets sewn together. It is, I like to think, a piece of armour in and of itself. Hope this helps. Phil Somewhere in Texas... ... there is a village without its idiot. "The great thing about books is they have nice pictures in them." George W Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons > OK, I've now got my 5ft square unlined plain tabby single layer wool cloak > pinned correctly [Phew, thanks for saving lots of wasted effort there folks] > > So next question. > > Padded jerkin to go under chainmail or as stand alone leather armour - So > leather faced, obviously, but........ > > What pattern? [10thC] > > How heavily padded? > > Best padding material? > > Do you pad the underarms and walk around like the Michelin Man or leave them > unpadded and die horribly from a thrust to the armpit just as you're about > to deliver "The Great Stroke"? > > Best method of attaching/stuffing/stitching padding? > > The only evidence I've found was the 9thC Loch Glashan Jerkin, which now > appears to actually be a book satchel, so no help there. What does evidence and > practical experience suggest? > HEEEELP!!!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/lEfwlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > Members information can be found at: http://members.regia.org > > Post message: regia@groups.yahoo.com > > Subscribe: eGroups@regia.org - saying who you are and which group > > Unsubscribe: regia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner (complaints/suggestions): eGroups@regia.org > > regia@groups.yahoo.com - Is there any alternative? > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regia/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > regia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From NickBibby at aol.com Tue Aug 17 06:48:18 2004 From: NickBibby at aol.com (NickBibby@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 06:45:57 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Magnus' Two Cents [was Regia Reference Books] Message-ID: <154.3cb2ddd8.2e533c72@aol.com> That's one hell of a two cents worth Magnus!!!!!!! I'm shocked, horrified, and saddened by your tales of theft and abuse. [though I suppose ultimately, not surprised] Are we saying that open Bibliographies are like Communism? A wonderful impractical ideal made totally impossible by the true nature of humanity? Maybe encryption is the way to go, makes me sad though. My library is very meagre in comparison to yours, but I like to help where I can [all be it very carefully] What goes around comes around - I, in return, have been helped by some very generous individuals who've given much time and effort to help me [you, yourself being one of them Magnus] and would hate to have it any other way. So I guess what I'm saying is I agree that one shouldn't go into it without being aware of the possible pitfalls but surely the benefits to all outweigh the downsides? The loss and damage to rare books is more often down to insufficient safeguards by the holding institutions and ignorance, than malicious intent isn't it? The dissemination of information is THE cornerstone of all human endeavour, in any field; without it we'd still be bashing mammoth on the head with rocks! Surely it should ALWAYS be attempted. On a related topic, if ever a book was looking to be reprinted its Viking Artefacts. Who on earth thought a print run of 800 was a good idea? I've been looking for a copy for years myself and don't hold out much hope. Could we lobby the British Museum do you think? You really got me thinking there Magnus. Please don't take this as a personal attack, because it definitely isn't!! I have enormous respect for your depth of knowledge and generosity in disseminating it. I just think we should at least try. All the best, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040817/4e698844/attachment.html From vmaa2 at cox.net Tue Aug 17 08:52:51 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Tue Aug 17 08:49:16 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? In-Reply-To: <1d4.28370fef.2e50950f@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c48459$1f45cb40$6601a8c0@VMAAHQ> Hi Nick and all~ This is a good idea! In fact, for those who are already on the Yahoo lists NADARA and Norsefolk_2, there is such a thing already started in both places. Right now they don't amount to a whole lot, since it was a project I got started on and then had to table due to real life interrupting my fun life. But, I'd love it if other folks would like to go and add their favorite books to the list, (either place is fine). Any titles that can be related to Viking-era Norse, including crafts that are specifically tied to Viking era crafts, are welcome to be added. For example, I listed Collingwoods "Techniques of Tablet Weaving", just because it's a good, comprehensive book to learn TW from. I see this as a great resource for new people who don't know where to begin regarding books. Books are expensive, and anything we can do to help people make wise purchases is a good thing, IMO. I've never envisioned this as ever being a complete or definitive listing, only a primer for the best books to get started with. Those who want to do deep specific research on a topic will probably go far beyond this project. So far I haven't thought about a "Wish List" of OOP books, although one of the info columns does ask for availability. I left out price because that can vary wildly, as Magnus' post attested. If I get time I'll try to add more titles this week. We're eyeball deep in alligators around here right now, but I'll see what I can do. I don't come anywhere near to Magnus' volume of books, but I will admit to having a fair few good books around here. ;o) Pax, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net] On Behalf Of NickBibby@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:30 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Cc: regia@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? This is just a suggestion and may be a] unfeasible or b] too much work, but.............. ? Wouldn't it be a great idea for Regia to have an online bibliography of all those great reference books that we all have, or would like to have? Just a list of titles and authors?+ a brief synopsis of content. Then at least those?wanting to research a subject?know which books?to start looking for in libraries or bookshops, which is half the battle. People are always posting info on books they've found or would like, so wouldn't it make sense to organise a regularly updated list as part of the members section? What do the great and good think? You could put out a general call for recommended titles from your membership, I expect it would turn up quite a few titles?that are new to most. I know it would involve?a lot?of work, but it could only help promote a more widespread interest and understanding of our period by the "general" membership and would be an enormous boost to newer members [such as myself] Cheers, Nick. From dsunlin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 11:21:48 2004 From: dsunlin at hotmail.com (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue Aug 17 11:19:23 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Padded jerkins/gambesons Message-ID: I think one of the (later) period sources mention a filler of "cotton wool" which people forget means not wool but cotton, just not spun and woven, but in a raw state. On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: mik lawson >Reply-To: list-Regia-NA >To: regia@yahoogroups.com >CC: regia-na >Subject: [Regia-NA] Padded jerkins/gambesons >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:09:59 +0100 (BST) > >Nick,the way i made my Gamberson is based on a 15thc Jack.30 layers of >Linen in the front,20 in the back & 9 in each arm,quilted in a diamond >pattern for no particular reason other than i like the way it looks.I >placed the layers so the seams were not in the same place so that a ridge >was not formed & the arm hole got larger with each layer so that a gradual >increase in depth was achieved.Yes there is less protection under the arms >but some sacrifice must be made for the sake of movement.I made my >Gamberson in the classic t shirt shape which in reflection is a >mistake.Make yours fitted so that it gradually narows toward the waist{it >wont bunch then when you put on a belt?} flaring out again to cover the >hips with either enough space for you to move your legs or a split side or >front so that you can move your legs. >Just because i made mine with Linen doesn't mean you have to,you could use >Linen tow if you can get it or loose wool or the age old saver of layers of >woolen blanket.When i first made my Gamberson it stood up on it's own but >now it's relaxing.It's about an inch thick at the front & for demonstration >purposes is top knotch but for re-enactment it's maybe a little heavy >weight?If i had the choice again 20 layers in the front would be the way to >go.It's worth noting that the English Jack made to the same pattern was >considered better at turning an arrow by the archers wearing them than >plate armour.I think it works like a kevlar vest?It would certainly be very >useful against slashing attacks or crushing blows especially under mail? >Regards, >Mik > >NickBibby@aol.com wrote: >OK, I've now got my 5ft square unlined plain tabby single layer wool cloak >pinned correctly [Phew, thanks for saving lots of wasted effort there >folks] > >So next question. > >Padded jerkin to go under chainmail or as stand alone leather armour - So >leather faced, obviously, but........ > >What pattern? [10thC] > >How heavily padded? > >Best padding material? > >Do you pad the underarms and walk around like the Michelin Man or leave >them >unpadded and die horribly from a thrust to the armpit just as you're about >to deliver "The Great Stroke"? > >Best method of attaching/stuffing/stitching padding? > >The only evidence I've found was the 9thC Loch Glashan Jerkin, which now >appears to actually be a book satchel, so no help there. What does evidence > and >practical experience suggest? >HEEEELP!!!!!! > > >If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. >Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. >Havamal > > > >--------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 17 13:55:14 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue Aug 17 13:53:28 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Magnus' Two Cents [was Regia Reference Books] References: <154.3cb2ddd8.2e533c72@aol.com> Message-ID: <41224682.7060607@bellsouth.net> NickBibby@aol.com wrote: > That's one hell of a two cents worth Magnus!!!!!!! > I'm shocked, horrified, and saddened by your tales of theft and abuse. > [though I suppose ultimately, not surprised] > Are we saying that open Bibliographies are like Communism? No. I'm saying it is a very competitive market if you let your competition have the same information you do. So if Regia wants to make it's sources more available than just for it's members they will need to live next to a world class library by comparison. > A wonderful impractical ideal made totally impossible by the > true nature of humanity? Rats are where you find them. I didn't make them what they are. You will find though that two week loans may actually average many months. If we reopen to the locals I will simply buy a commercial copier instead. There are trusted individuals who still borrow books from our library but we now have 500 people in our barony here and I'm no longer able to help/watch/chase after all of them for a whole evening every week. In twenty three years I've known a good ten thieves. The worst one is the new Peer whom we had had in our house since she was sixteen and who had borrowed about 200 books. In the end her personality changed entirely when she went to college. She took a tremendous number on a two week loan meant only to be local, carried them off to an Ivy league school states away and simply kept them there, lied to us about returning them every time she came home for over a year. They were finally retrieved by her fiancee acting for her father whom we had to apply to for their return. She'd had our total trust for years. I'd even designed and built a take-down table for her. She and a few others will never come in our door again. That was terribly disappointing and maddening to us. The wife doesn't like it either, especially when I get mad about the way we've been treated by someone we were kind to. Besides we often spent long periods of time compiling books and research specially requested for individuals who didn't show up as they said. Then they sit there for weeks and you don't want to do it again for them. Opening your home every week for years for this kind of stuff is wearying. Granted you get some individuals who are nice and grateful ever after. We depend on our good SCA friends locally. I've even offered to give one the down payment for a home if he'd finally settle down. We love the guy like a brother. He moves around like a jumping bean as it is. The current generation is much less inclined to settle down and marry these days. The better educated people are gradually shrinking in numbers in many countries as opposed to growing lower classes. Perhaps the birth control pill was a bad idea. It seems to have led to social instability and I can't say I think many of them are really happier for it. So many friends are single in their thirties now. It takes two incomes generally to buy a home so we have a large group of apartment renters. The meek really will inherit the earth one day. I should note here I am very happily married to a nice little woman and neither of us would have what we have now alone. I would like to see it happen to more of my good friends. But so many are terminally lonely. > Maybe encryption is the way to go, makes me sad though. Me too but it's more practical if Regia wants to buy / access the books they seem to want. Archaeological small finds books are in short supply, even the museum catalogs. Boydell and Brewer seems to be the primary one reprinting some of them that found good markets. Other publishers seem harder to convince. > My library is very meagre in comparison to yours, but I like to help > where I can [all be it very carefully] What goes around comes around - > I, in return, have been helped by some very generous individuals who've > given much time and effort to help me [you, yourself being one of them > Magnus] and would hate to have it any other way. I'm probably one of the more prolific posters as to sources in different languages. But I make sure I've obtained them first. After that it's everybody's scramble who wants to chase one. I've got a generally generous nature and go way out of the norm in helping people, at least historically. I don't give partial citations when I can give total ones and the sources for the same. I only speculate on the sources when I cannot easily recall or find them here. I need roughly 200 feet of additional bookshelves right now. So there are tremendous piles of books I can't find things in now as opposed to the floor to ceiling walls of books in a number of rooms. Next year we will either be building on a substantial new house portion or moving entirely. The main problem would be what to do with all the tools and equipment garnered over thirty some years. I used to give access to most of those too. And some were broken, and some were stolen, and in some cases some dangerous things like sharp curved metal bits were left on the floor instead of being picked up as required in the waiver. They can penetrate your shoe sole and curve into your instep causing a nasty injury. Then there are the new people who come and you have no idea who is honest and who isn't. And who might come back and burglarize you. A cablevision worker did that to us. The more open you are the more vulnerable you make yourself. In my twenty-three years Windmasters' Hill has grown from 30 needy individuals to 500. I cannot keep up with all of them now. Things that go missing make you somewhat frantic searching for them when you need them. I can't tell you how many frustrating hours I've spent looking for long gone items. Then you sometimes see them at someone else's house. Which is aggravating in the extreme. However, armor and weapons are commercially come by easily now. Common medieval books are in abundance now as there has been an explosion in book subjects as opposed to formerly. So it is not as if there aren't other resources. When some of us began the only people with decent swords and daggers here bought them in Europe, usually when they were stationed there. Now it is an industry. > So I guess what I'm saying is I agree that one shouldn't go into it > without being aware of the possible pitfalls but surely the benefits to > all outweigh the downsides? The loss and damage to rare books is more > often down to insufficient safeguards by the holding institutions and > ignorance, than malicious intent isn't it? Not always. We had two volumes here in NC of Mediaeval Jewellery which is a huge book. I could have bought one at a nice discount but during the three weeks it took a pair of Laurels here to decide if they wanted me to buy them one too it went out of print. Where I could have had one at $135 (discounted from $150) I missed out entirely. Now those same Laurels would pay hundreds of dollars for one, as would I. The volume at nearby Duke University disappeared soon after. I know where the other volume is nearby to me in another college but damned if I'm telling anyone. I've still been looking to buy one for the last eight years. Fortunately for me I have most of the jewelry depicted in a large number of other jewelry books I already own. A large part of MJ is simply a history of pearls and the goldsmith's company. I really doubt if it will ever be reprinted. Not one has come on the market that I have seen. I should imagine if it does the price will certainly be in excess of $300 to maybe $800 now. I should never have waited at all. My kindness that time really bit me. > The dissemination of > information is THE cornerstone of all human endeavour, in any field; > without it we'd still be bashing mammoth on the head with rocks! Surely > it should ALWAYS be attempted. Depends on the subject and technology. Military/Nuclear for example has put us all at risk currently. Technical has destroyed the manufacturing industry in my state for both shoes and textiles which has gone overseas now almost entirely, and a lot of software and computer manufacture has now too. We educate thousands of these people from around the world. Some have developed nuclear technology in their homelands and some have taken our technology and now unemploy large numbers of our people in this state. The middle class is disappearing for profit for the overseas entrepreneurs. The furniture business is currently going overseas too. An old friend of mine takes it to China, it was being done before in Argentina. He studied wood technology, I studied Industrial Arts. The factories he worked in went out of business. We made half the furniture in the U.S. withing 150 miles of High Point in NC - once. Similarly our textile mills were prolific. The three remaining shoe factories went to Pakistan three years ago. I don't miss the tobacco industry at all that NC depended on. It killed both my mother and my surrogate father. > On a related topic, if ever a book was looking to be reprinted its > Viking Artefacts. Who on earth thought a print run of 800 was a good > idea? As Dr.James Graham-Campbell told me when I tried to encourage a reprint of it - the British Museum. At the time it took eight years for them to sell the 800 copies. However reenactorism has boomed since then and that is one of the most wanted Viking artefact books ever. He said that in the ensuing twenty years a lot of knowledge had changed, that it would need a major rewrite and copyrights would have to be gotten from each contributor again - so no, right from the editor's mouth. It was an exhibition catalog. James Graham-Campbell is very prolific in authoring books on the Viking period and they get translated into other languages. So if anyone should know he does. I tried to convince him even though I have almost all his books and articles myself, at least in English. Currently I have seen Vikings - The North Atlantic Saga down to $12 from around $40 so if you don't have it jump now. From Viking to Crusader is somewhat hard to come by. I ended up with copies in both English and German under somewhat different titles not understanding at the time I ordered it it was the same book. > I've been looking for a copy for years myself and don't hold out > much hope. Could we lobby the British Museum do you think? I tried. If you like I have Dr. Graham-Campbell's address on my machine. We've corresponded a few times. He is polite if brief. j.graham-campbell@ucl.ac.uk I finally asked him where I could contact Dr. Arthur MacGregor and he was nice enough to tell me. Previously I had thanked him for his books which I enjoy tremendously. Master Finnr's dream was to have Dr. Arthur MacGregor's Bone, Antler, Ivory and Horn [the 1985 generally inclusive book, not the late York (only) one he also wrote] reprinted. That too is hard to come by and is probably the bible for bone working. I have one myself. I also have the York book and many others in multiple languages on bone, ivory, horn and antler working, especially books and articles on combs for example. > You really got me thinking there Magnus. Please don't take this as a > personal attack, because it definitely isn't!! I have enormous respect > for your depth of knowledge and generosity in disseminating it. Thank you, normally I would agree with you. But I am trying to make it more possible for Regia members who are more serious about learning authenticity to have the opportunity to acquire it by not telling their competition. Things aren't always as we would like them to be. > I just think we should at least try. I never said we shouldn't try. I'm just saying how limited do you want to make the access for yourself for these books? I search European book nets for books I want that you would rarely ever see in North American or British book lists and I rarely find the main ones I am after now. When I do on certain book nets my success rate is about 40%. Now tell everyone else about the same book and the aspects look really bleak indeed. Those book dealers who list -parts- of their stock on the net evaluate prices for those they don't by what they see for prices on the few books on line. There may be a greater supply, probably is, but you won't find them unless you happen on them by accident locally. Which is where you tend to get your real bargains after all. That and university library sales. I have a set of Forbes' Ancient Technology that sells for $90 a book if you can find them. Bought the nine of them at a library sale for $4 apiece because it was a duplicate set. Those opportunities are rare. Singers' History of Technology books start at $80 and go well over a hundred for the newest volumes in the series. But once in a long while you can find the first few volumes for about $20 each at local bookstores. Those are out of print now. Something is very wrong with the acidity of the plates as I have seen several books that the plates are eaten up in. The question here is how much competition for the same books does Regia wish to give to all the other groups? If you want them for Regia's use then I wouldn't list anything but the commonly available books on Regia's main pages, and have a separate list for members only on a secret page. Conversely one of the main reasons I joined Regia was to access it's information in Chronicle to learn more, just like I subscribe to and contribute information to Viking Heritage in Gotland. I tell Dan Carlsson about things going on he might like to obtain the articles to print. In that case I don't write them. Once I have my own resources in hand I am far less liable to mind telling people of resources. But multiply me searching for books which may only come up for sale rarely by a thousand and you get to see my point. I come up with the book information I am looking for by reading the bibliographies in books I have more than listening to what is going on online. You rarely hear of books in other languages but if you read the bibliographies in scholarly works you often recognize the words in the titles even in other languages simply by familiarity with the terms. Then you go searching for them. Or at least I do. Elfenbein = elephant ivory. African was prefered over Asian ivory even by Asians simply because it it easier to carve and less dense as well as larger. Bein = bone or antler. I recently read it is almost impossible for archaeologists to tell bone and most antler apart even microscopicly. I often wondered about why there seemed to be confusion over that. But once it is worked they cannot see much difference in the cell structure. Horn objects are rarer but much more obvious. To me antler is more grainy and tougher, but then I work some. Knochen is another term for bone. Bogen = bow. Crossbow = armbrust. Various periods have similar descriptive terms. Wikingerzeit = Viking Age. Merowingerzeit = Merovingian Age. Volkwanderung = The Folk Wanderings or Age of Great Migrations. Middle Ages is Mittlealteren, or Moyen Age, or Middelalderen. Zeit simply means age or era. Tid means time at the end of words, such as Vikingtid. Bild = picture, Bilden = pictures, Tafeln = plates. Seiten = pages. Malerei = painting. Schrift of Schriften = manuscript. Romansk = Romanesque, etc. By reading bibliographies you become familiar with these terms in certain subjects. Leder = leder, werk = work. Thus lederwerk = leatherwork. Shuh or schuh = shoe. Arbeit = work too. Shop is often atelier. Just string them together or pick them apart in larger words as the Germans do. Kastchen = caskets. Mobel or Mobilier = furniture simply because it was portable or mobile. What usually survived though is left largely in churches where it was not moved about. If you pronounce them many words don't sound as far apart as they appear to read and they make more sense in other European languages. And I am not much of a linguist but I am not afraid to learn some new terms and discover more by association. Since I am heavily disabled and it hurts I rarely get to university libraries now where I would have to copy what I need. My wife was the longest NCSU cataloger at 35 years in the library. We could interlibrary loan but the yearly costs are fairly high, and then for some things the copying cost, which has doubled recently, is often as expensive as the book if I can find one, which is at least legal and I prefer buying them to copying them anyway. It hurts me less as I have a progressive muscular/nervous system disease. Quite simply I buy mine if I can afford and find them and only copy when I cannot - usually after long frustrating periods of searching for them. If I can I still try to acquire the book even if I have a copy of it. I like having the book more. I do copy certain sections of books I do own to amass three ring binders (70+) on certain subjects for my research more commonly or to make patterns to scale for reproducing the objects or jewelry. When you have roughly seven thousand books and thousands of magazines, offprints and clipped articles it is nearly impossible to remember where you found what. Thus I take notes on those I have time for too in the computer. Since the computer is on a pull up table like my little similar sized work, eating and reading table I don't have room to lay out a book next to it. Thus I make notes as I read books and hope to find time to type them in. I spend about 85% of my awake time in the same chair day and night. It's usually recovering from the 15% I spend out of it. Meanwhile I usually listen to educational programs on the television. > All the best, > Nick. Similarly, Magnus From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 17 15:35:13 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue Aug 17 15:32:59 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Reference Books? References: <1d4.28370fef.2e50950f@aol.com> <41215517.6050501@bellsouth.net> <001501c48432$3f0f1200$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <41225DF1.6030504@bellsouth.net> Hazel Uzzell wrote: > We were thinking, you know......more like, baby steps? :-) > Hazel Well, the commonly had books should certainly cover that. ;) Magnus From Cuthwyn at aol.com Tue Aug 17 18:15:16 2004 From: Cuthwyn at aol.com (Cuthwyn@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:12:54 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons Message-ID: <7e.5631ed52.2e53dd74@aol.com> Anyone remember "Chesterfield"? - should I tell how that was built? Aly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040817/15b97863/attachment.html From chris.boulton at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 17 18:26:23 2004 From: chris.boulton at ntlworld.com (Chris Boulton) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:24:05 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons References: <7e.5631ed52.2e53dd74@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c484a9$3a89b7e0$1b02a8c0@duron800> >Anyone remember "Chesterfield"? - should I tell how that was built?Aly For the information of the uninitiated, Chesterfield is/was a type of sofa (large stuffed easy chair, usually for more than one person) renowned for its stuffedness and the fact that once you'd sat down in one it was rather difficult to extricate oneself from its embrace. The "Chesterfield" Aly is referring to is a gambeson she made for Dave, making really rather sure he wouldn't get hurt. It was so well stuffed that no-one could actually get within about 6 feet of him any way, and was build with the aid of scaffolding and ladders. Chris. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040817/481eab21/attachment.html From Cuthwyn at aol.com Tue Aug 17 18:31:05 2004 From: Cuthwyn at aol.com (Cuthwyn@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:28:38 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons Message-ID: <8.54f6ce1d.2e53e129@aol.com> In a message dated 17/08/2004 23:27:33 GMT Daylight Time, chris.boulton@ntlworld.com writes: a gambeson she made for Dave, making really rather sure he wouldn't get hurt It worked though. And it wasn't built with ladders - just lots of thread and a semi-circular upholstery needle (and that was just for the tacking). When it came to quilting, I had to use an awl and a leather-working needle. Took every available spare minute for six months (winter, of course). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040817/d6219cf8/attachment-0001.html From vmaa2 at cox.net Wed Aug 18 19:17:46 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:15:30 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking ships in Vlaardingen Message-ID: <003801c48579$95d185d0$6601a8c0@VMAAHQ> Forwarded from the Medieval Dutch list, I found this to be quite interesting for us as well: -----Original Message----- From: Kees Nieuwenhuijsen Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [medievaldutch] Viking ships in Vlaardingen A recent publication in the Dutch journal Westerheem describes an intriguing find in Vlaardingen, a town near Rotterdam. Two years ago, a mediaeval graveyard was discovered, and 45 corpses were excavated. Now, the results of the analysis of the coffins have been published. It appears that two of the coffins contained planks from ships, and that these ships were built in the Viking-style (overlapping planks, rivets, caulking containing cow or sheep hair, decorated wood). Dendrochronological analysis yielded dates between 918 and 1009 AD for the wood. One ship was built from trees that had grown in Frisia, and the other from English trees. The authors suggest that the second ship was built by Vikings (Danes) living is England. The second grave has been dated rather precisely, at 1043 AD (or shortly thereafter). It was a 50-year old man. In his twenties, he may have participated in the famous Battle of Vlaardingen (1018 AD)... These archaeological finds corroborate the chronicles which mention trading contacts between Tiel and England (Alpertus Mettensis). On their way, the ships passed Vlaardingen. Apparently, these were Viking-type ships. Fragments of Viking-type ships had earlier been found Utrecht, Dorestad and Tiel, and now Vlaardingen is the fourth finding place in The Netherlands. In the early 11th century, Vlaardingen must have been one of the most important places in the Low Lands. The counts (Dirk III and IV) had their head quarters in Vlaardingen, it probably had its own mint, and now it seems that its port had international significance. We can only speculate about how the ships ended in Vlaardingen. One could think of bloody scenarios, where Frisians treated the Viking raiders to a payment in kind. On the other hand, it is more likely that these were simply trading vessels, which ended their life in the Vlaardingen harbour, and were re-used for all sorts of purposes, including coffins. See also www.keesn.nl/vlaard From NickBibby at aol.com Wed Aug 18 19:52:37 2004 From: NickBibby at aol.com (NickBibby@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:50:14 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking ships in Vlaardingen Message-ID: The late 9th/early 10thC strap divider and mounts found with a viking burial at Cronk Moar, Isle of Man has it's only close parallel in ones found at Domburg in Holland [dated tentatively to between 700AD and later half of 9thC] - yet another connection, if somewhat more tenuous. Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040818/d523750e/attachment.html From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 18 20:41:42 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:39:23 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia] Padded jerkins/gambesons References: <8.54f6ce1d.2e53e129@aol.com> Message-ID: <4123F746.7050005@bellsouth.net> Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 17/08/2004 23:27:33 GMT Daylight Time, > chris.boulton@ntlworld.com writes: > > a gambeson she made for Dave, making really rather sure he wouldn't > get hurt > > It worked though. And it wasn't built with ladders - just lots of > thread and a semi-circular upholstery needle (and that was just for the > tacking). When it came to quilting, I had to use an awl and a > leather-working needle. Took every available spare minute for six > months (winter, of course). The question here of course is if Dave was in it or not at the time. But it sure sounds like the Michelin Man. If it was as well stuffed as described I must wonder why he isn't used as an offensive weapon and rolled down hill upon the foe. Surely in a country with the Monty Pythons it has to have occured to somebody. He sounds as if he could survive the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch and the Vorpal Bunny too. Do the head or hands or feet protrude? If not then does he resemble the Pillsbury Dough Boy? It is inflatable? and can he cross the water in appropriate winds and tides making for sudden silent invasion tactics? Perhaps he may hide out in low clouds upon the hills for surreptitious observations. Do large women chase him as mistaken for a giant cupcake? I am aware I have a truly hideous sense of humor, yet it falls short by some British Standards I have observed. In my usual round about fashion I will return to the thread eventually. We have a local -sometimes TransVestite in Elizabethan- Laurel who shockingly looks better and more stacked than his very attractive costumer wife. Does a real number on confused male hormones when they realize just whom it is they are staring at. Whiplash was/is common amongst double-taking male viewers who previously considered themselves both masculine and studly here and are taken unawares. Normally the wife dresses him up as an Anglo-Saxon male in the usual pointy hat - on the customary pointy little head. After a long time wondering I was assured that duct tape can do wonders rearranging a male's upper anatomy. That skinny little guy had very real looking cleavage above his corset. Women have more chest hair than he does. Unless she plucks him. I live in NC, and things may be different in your area. I can't say. Inbreeding was de riquer in the mountain areas where I grew up. [My mother was an out of state import BTW. Thank You Very Much. My genetic father was too. Not being inbred though I still crapped out in the gene pool.] ;) [One daughter of the sharecroppers who lived on my grandmother's farm had 18 kids before the bankrupted county hospital finally tied her tubes for her. They were loaned out to every available relative as live-in field hands. There were lots of relatives too. I went to school with some of them. We also had the largest pair of twins in the world in my immediate neighborhood as a child and they would go house to house begging food saying their mother didn't feed them enough. They weighed in at over 750 pounds each. I am quite sure the woman couldn't afford it. They rode -really swayed backed- large draft horses when they got a bit older. I don't think there was a hell of a lot of difference between the way those horses looked and the 18 pregnancies woman. They probably felt the same. 18 x 3/4 = 13 1/2 years pregnant. Imagine. What a productive life. The McCrary twins were sideshow exhibitionists for years. I recall a national news bit when they got arrested in Texas. Had to haul them in in a large truck. One eventually died. Have no idea what has happened to the other the last thirty years. Perhaps they became as large as the described gambeson. No one could get within six feet of Dave eh? Very laudable to protect your beloved husband so well. People up there were still using woodstoves, outhouses and wells/ springs to draw water from then. Washboards and tubs were still being used and some had no electricity at all. One kid I knew was SEWN into his longjohns for the whole winter. He sat near the radiator in class with us. Believe me we noticed. I split wood and ate with many of them. I played with their kids. I hunted in areas where my gunfire would bring the moonshiners (and their little dogs) hunting for me within a few minutes. Funnily, by the time they got there I was usually back across the sunken road onto grandmother's property sitting still against the side of a tree and never seen though in plain sight, baying beagles and all. You can get to really hate beagles baying. Some used to come down and bark at me all the time I was waiting for the morning school bus. Theirs was a quarter mile driveway too. Stills were everywhere. Thunder Road with Robert Mitchum was filmed nearby when I was a kid. One neighbor mountain woman left her estate in the care of one of these moonshiners, went to Florida for the winter and returned to find four and a half of her buildings, including the one he lived in, denuded of their siding as far as he could pry without a ladder to feed the still, and him dead drunk. Fortunately for her the main house was sheathed in stone. We later bought that property. Miss Hisey was one strange little old woman. Often wore no top on the way to her mailbox down on the main road. Not quite as shocking as a later male neighbor who raised many foster children and was sometimes observed mowing his yard on the main road out of town dressed only in his red tennis shoes (bringing to mind strawberries in the grass to me). Since he was harmless the understanding sheriffs simply made him go back into the house. A social service is where you find it I suppose.] Not all the peculiar people in the world appear on BBC Comedies we import over here I assure you. Benny Hill was boring in comparison to some I grew up with. But I'm afraid you have us with Mr. Bean for sheer peculiarity. Fortunately the TVL's two little boys have the wife's looks and brains on which I frequently compliment her. Now that one of them is getting old enough to understand a few things I wonder where Daddy's alter ego -GiGi- is going to hide. Children can get into every closet, locked or not. We have a tradition at our sometimes held Gil's Tavern events that about six of the males cross-dress in drag as serving wenches. Which is sometimes good for setting up blackmail shots of your long time nemeses. I have seriously nailed one of our Barons twice encouraging such stuff. He likes to try to smooch my wife when he thinks I am looking from a sufficient distance away. Payback can be hell I assure you. Regardless of which we are longtime friends. Having him smooched by GiGi on film is priceless, as was what I once did to him even worse years ago when I set him up with three women bearing gifts for his investiture. It is a shame that film was B&W because he was beet red. Still the expression clearly shows. This particular Laurel takes his act to the street corners at UNC - Chapel Hill, the generally snobby & flakey oldest university of NC. Being an NC State graduate instead I find this very funny. I suppose you would too if your high school class went to different institutions and if those who went to Chapel Hill soon decided they were -far too good- to associate with the others in a matter of months. There is a huge rivalry here between State, UNC-CH and Duke universities. But I do wonder why it is the NC legislature had to fund a new major state zoo nearby when all they had to do was fence in all the funnies at Chapel Hill. They might have been missing a few giraffes (and great blue whales) but that was about all. And saved the rest of us some major tax dollars. Might have even given us poor state employees a raise - like that is ever going to happen. Chapel Hill employees get paid 10% more by special legislative dispensation just because it -is- Chapel Hill. The theory was they have to pay the workers more to commute to their little highbrow community. However, the extra pay holds as true for professors as it does for tradesmen and janitors. This mess has gone on for decades. The seventeen other state universities here do not get paid the same. They are particularly hilarious to view on Halloween. Having seen some Chapel Hill Halloween nites (and seen one car full of goobers empty and run through the crowd suddenly with chainless chainsaws roaring, thus parting the Carolina Blue sea again, likely State Students) I can attest to this. The costumes get truly bizarre and often rather extreme in poor taste. Not appropriate for children to view often. But GiGi goes to UNC streets on other nights besides Halloween I think too. All those precocious little blue bloods and their scrambled eager hormones... Really Big Evil Grin ;) Justice must be done, and it must be seen to be done. Back to the original thread - see, I do wind back to it eventually - **I often accuse this particular Laurel of being a dress dummy for his wife to stick pins in. And I am quite certain he enjoys every second of it.** Size wise, pregnancies aside, they are nearly identical. Just how he'd fare under leather awls and curved threaded needles I can't say. But I imagine he would be all a-titter. Perhaps a hooked rug punch might work sufficiently. It would be funny to put a straight jacket on him one time. Perhaps I can buy one on eBay. Probably ambush him after having the Baron, or Royals call him into court. He has asked to be designated the Baronial Fool, but was turned down in consideration of some of his apprentices instead. I have some prior practice at putting folks in straight jackets from the mental wards. Perhaps we can dye it and award it as a special fencer's jacket just for him. The arms strap around the opposite sides you know. The sleeves are closed at the hands. The rest of the Barony has been known to publicly hogtie him and I have seen some subsequent head on anvil shots that were taken afterwards by some of them exchanging the hammer for the camera. What can I say - Master GiGi is both feared and loved by all. Curiously for someone that never ceases cutting up he hates clowns, but he did grow up in Chicago at the time of John Wayne Gacy, the clown serial killer, so I suppose I can find some reason for this. I had told him once about the yearly Ringling Bros/Barnum and Bailey Clown College they hold auditions for when the circus comes to town each year. As I recall he wasn't at all happy about that suggestion but I truly thought he might enjoy attending the local mini-clown college they teach. Big red nose and big shoes aside he would fit right in. My late father-in-law and his best buddy were clowns for the children and hospitals in his town. It will never work, but he/GiGi keeps trying to assure the rest of us he is a naturalized Southerner. There ain't no such thing. Either you is, or you ain't Southern. He just bought his second home and it is still in the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. Raleigh's snobby big suburb of CARY. It did take him a year+ to find anyone to buy their townhouse though. Houses where I live sell in a couple of weeks by comparison. Maybe they asked the neighbors about neighborhood problems. I know I did before I moved here. I don't think the neighbors here are moving away because of me as the immediate ones to our sides stay for decades and seem quite pleased with us normally. But you never know... Magnus die Teufel From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 19 03:33:55 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Thu Aug 19 03:31:36 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking lamellar discussion on Arador.com References: <001101c4826d$db50faa0$6401a8c0@davespc> <411EF85B.5030305@bellsouth.net> <002201c482ca$71bc7f80$6401a8c0@davespc> Message-ID: <412457E3.2060309@bellsouth.net> Dave wrote: > Oh I know about Wisby and China, the discussion is regarding lamellar in a > viking context, and there-in lies the problem....the article that was cited > basically debunks the Birka finds. I am sure I missed something somewhere. Maybe I'll have more time to look for it in two weeks. I have to pick through 230 years of family history and salvage some of it before the estates are sold. So do my sisters and uncle. It is a huge house. > I can accept that, but I cant accept the > conclusion that Vikings in Scandinavia never wore lamellar armour. I know > there is no other extant evidence, and as of yet no literary or artisic > evidence, but I feel its too grand a claim to make they never used it. Any > lamellar that may have been used would most likely have come to Scandinavia > by way of Byzantium and to a lesser extent Asia Minor by way of the trade > routes. > > Thordemans book is not relevant, Wisby was in 1361, we're talking 8th-10th > centuries. 700's to 900's only? What is relevant is the ability and inability to produce large sheets for armour, something they couldn't do until much later and thus had to be satisfied with the small amounts they could produce in the smelters and work on the anvils of the time. Which were admittedly small, great hard stones aside. Scandinavians were depending largely on small production from bog iron bits in small ovens. I have a whole book showing nothing but the remains of their smelters. If what they had produces generally only small pieces of iron it rather figures that pieces on the order of Wisby would be the largest they could adequately make. Helmets of one piece aside. Which is quite large for the time period. Even swords were assembled from many small bits. The style of swords used in Northern Europe shows the Viking Style blades and hilts from Ireland to Russia including all the countries in between. They seem to have some interesting variations in Finland though. These lasted several centuries certainly in production. > > Dave Okay, the Scandinavians participated in the Varangian Guard how early? It is very well illustrated in surviving illustrations and metal objects the types of armor current in the Byzantine Empire. Harald Hardrada was one who had served in the Guard. Granted the English probably never had Byzantine armor but the warriors who journeyed back from Byzantium certainly would have had some, and by the time of the Rus, admittedly later, it was common in Russia. David Nicolle's books on armor show a great deal of lamellar armor, although I lack his big Western Armour book from the time of the Crusades. I believe I have nearly all his Ospreys and the Oriental Armor book. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 Ospreys (although at the recent rate new ones are coming out it is very expensive to be current on all ancient and medieval ones). Of course I buy most other armour books I can find as well, but the majority of them are either Ancient/Roman or later medieval periods. I am hoping to receive a relatively new book in Polish from http://www.bellona.pl on the Vikings/Normans. The other books I have in the same series are extremely well illustrated and large. They show a number of European style helmets that I don't think even Hrothgar has pictures of that survived in Central Europe. As Poland was certainly visited by the Vikings - Wolin anyone? - they may show some relatively new things even to me. I wish I read Polish but I do have at least one Polish Dictionary. Some of the early Russian military books I have that are recently published show a variety of early helmet and armor styles too even though they are predominantly on the Lake Peipus battle and later conflicts. The Turcomans, Mongols, Uigurs, Saracens also predominate in some of these later books. I will be glad when Intertrans includes the Northern European languages in it's assortment of languages. But it only works with Microsoft browser which I rarely use even though I did buy the Intertrans webpage translation software. I seem to need my buddy that does computer software installation and repair at NCSU to install the thing properly as it is supposed to install itself as a link on one of the webpage navigation bars. Unfortunately the webpage reader doesn't do cut and paste or type in the words translation as well as the $800 commercial version. Time was I used to go to their webpages and simply paste things in but they seem to have changed that. It was far better than babelfish. Magnus >>The best history of lamellar armour I have seen in English is in Bengt >>Thordemann's Armour from the Battle of Wisby 1351, recently reprinted. >>You might also try Leather and the Warrior by Waterman which is >>obtainable only in England. Try http//www.countrybookstore.co.uk/ >>I think. Most lamellar I have pictures of is often Asian, sometimes >>lacquered rawhide or cross-welded wrought iron plates. Certainly >>the Terracotta Army is wearing lamellar armour. The history of that >>stuff is in rather hard to obtain, and very expensive books written >>by the Chinese scholars about ten or fifteen years ago. >> >>Which Birka book is it? I have two of the three sets? >> >>Magnus From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 19 03:43:55 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Thu Aug 19 03:41:37 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Hurricane Charley References: Message-ID: <41245A3B.6030403@bellsouth.net> Jeanne wrote: > That's great! > > Mobile home/trailer should never be used in the same sentence as Hurricane! Actually, they are Tornado Magnets. Fortunately the nearest ones to me are in old, northern Cary, a distance of five to eight miles. Hurricanes are too big to care, although the last one was feared to be causing tornadoes in some of it's outer rims passing over. Most of it cut to the east and headed out east. Bless the Canadian Jet Stream. Cold is better than no power for weeks and flattened houses and floods. > One woman was sitting in her trailer > when a large tree came down like a giant club, one volunteer > firefighter got hit by a tree coming down as he responded to > a call, one man later was found under the stump of a tree > his coworker cut the tree loose from. Like clapping a large > hand. Our friend Sir Gunther's neighbors drowned in Rocky > Mount. > > We're only about 6 feet not that much! > > Now figure that New Orleans is 17 feet below sea level and if > the dikes burst... They have to bury the dead in crypts above > the water table down there. Not quite like floating off into > the great beyond unidentified in your watertight burial > vault which popped out of the earth but still... My neice and her husband live in Nawleans. I believe part of it is 17 feet deep. Unless your area is drowning in midwest silt. All that stuff on the enlarged Gulf beyond the Delta plate seems like the weight will cause an earthquake sooner or later. If it happened to Charleston SC it can happen to New Orleans too. Port Royal was above sea level once too. Then half of it disappeared in one afternoon. But twenty feet deep is great for the nautical archaeologists. It's just that there is so much of it. But nothing like sunken Alexandria. Bigger than the port of Caesarea though. Magnus From wjy851 at mail.usask.ca Thu Aug 19 04:10:22 2004 From: wjy851 at mail.usask.ca (wjy851@mail.usask.ca) Date: Thu Aug 19 04:07:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking lamellar discussion on Arador.com In-Reply-To: <412457E3.2060309@bellsouth.net> References: <001101c4826d$db50faa0$6401a8c0@davespc> <411EF85B.5030305@bellsouth.net> <002201c482ca$71bc7f80$6401a8c0@davespc> <412457E3.2060309@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1092903021.4124606e02653@webmail.usask.ca> > Dave wrote: > > I know > > there is no other extant evidence, and as of yet no literary or artisic > > evidence... I do't know if Rob Schuster is on this list, but about a year ago he brought to my attention a reference in one of the Icelandic sagas to a warrior dressed in a 'Spangenbyrne', literally translated to 'body armour of plates'. I personally believe that, due to the late date such sagas were recorded (c. 1200), it was probably a reference to an early coat of plates and not any sort of Viking armour. But it could be interpreted as lamellar as well. I really hate it when people say 'Oh, I read it in THE SAGAS', sorry for being vague here. Perhaps Rob can post a better reference. ~Wil Nordhere From jdb967 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 19 06:27:41 2004 From: jdb967 at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Blaisdell) Date: Thu Aug 19 06:25:14 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Magnus' Two Cents [was Regia Reference Books] References: <154.3cb2ddd8.2e533c72@aol.com> <41224682.7060607@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <003d01c485d7$2926fba0$8069ba3f@Desktop> May I make a suggestion re old, rare & out-of-print books? How about copying them onto CD and making those available? Could be done for a small fee, $5-10 per "book" and serve 2 purposes: raise funds for Regia and make info available to those looking for it. A simple digital photo of each page would be sufficient and need not be of high quality, just good enough to read the print. Any books past copyright would be eligible, and maybe some others. And Magnus, do you have your books inventoried and accounted for in your estate planning? If not, PLEASE do so, and specify where they are to go. I saw a friend's railroad collection get destroyed in an auction, and there are a few valuable things of his that "disappeared" altogether. Jeff From phils at clara.net Thu Aug 19 14:57:15 2004 From: phils at clara.net (Phil Scott) Date: Thu Aug 19 14:55:01 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Boat Work Weekend Report Message-ID: <00ee01c4861e$5cb2a950$c7837ed4@lz0d2pf1f678b3u> Last weekend a small group of us got together at the suggestion of Steve Etheridge to do some repairs and renovations on the 'Floodrider' at Badmans' Yard in Bristol. My personal thanks go to Steve for initiating and hosting this event and to all those who came along and helped out We were able to get a number of significant tasks done on the boat, although all this had to wait until an estimated 300 gallons of water were removed from the bilge - quite a task!! New deck supports were made for the area around the bilge hatch, as was a new cover. The idea is to create a more watertight raised cover in the medium term and to add an extra inspection hatch towards the fore deck. For the comfort of rowing crew new foot rests were positioned and a second set prepared for fitting, giving rowers of differing sizes greater comfort and better positioning. Fibreglass repairs were started on the bulkheads between the fore and aft storage compartments. The mast step was cleaned down and painted and the lower mast collar was adjusted to enable the mast to sit properly and the sail was given a good cleaning. To aid safety on-board a 'Clam-Cleat' was added to the base of the mast for the halyard - meaning no more jammed ropes!!!!! As well as the painting of the mast step the strop bars, used when loading the boat on to a trailer, were painted. Finally new fore and aft stays, halyard, sheets, braces and the lower parts of the shrouds were fitted, replacing nearly all the rigging. A further boat work weekend is provisionally set for October (date to be fixed) where we shall complete the repairs needed on the boat. If you would like to lend a hand on this, or any other, occasion drop me a line and I'll make sure you get an invite. Phil Maritime Officer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040819/f6e615a0/attachment.html From vmaa2 at cox.net Thu Aug 19 20:10:46 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Thu Aug 19 20:10:48 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Geteld Tents Now available! Message-ID: <004801c4864a$2a074d40$6601a8c0@VMAAHQ> Finally, somebody has come up with a solution to this perennial question! I have no idea of the look or anything else about this deal, I'm simply crossposting as requested. ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: Warren [mailto:ykmedieval@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:16 PM To: The-NADARA-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Geteld Tents Now available! Please cross post the following: In conjunction with a major North American Tent Manufacturer, I am pleased to be able to offer Geteld Tents. This is the "Anglo Saxon" Geteld. The tent is made from 10 oz natural color Sunforger Canvas. This is the three pole variety. It is 8 Feet at the ridge inside, bell ended and is side opening. The footprint is approximately 10x14. All peg loops are a durable cotton webbing(will not mildew like leather). Comes with a 12" sod cloth. The tent is secured with canvas ties. All seams are doubled and double-machine stitched. The material is treated for mildew, mold, fire retardant, and of course water. The canvas is pre-shrunk. No poles or pegs, but instructions on how to make your own and set it up are included. Price is 499.00 US and includes postal ground shipping in North America. Actual parcel rates will be charged for overseas customers. My manufacturer is doing a run of 10 tents at a time, so I am taking orders for 10. Delivery Date is October 31 to the customer. Please email wolverinesports@t... or call 1-867-873-4350 to order yours. From MMagnusM at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 20 03:03:26 2004 From: MMagnusM at bellsouth.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri Aug 20 03:01:05 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Magnus' Two Cents [was Regia Reference Books] References: <154.3cb2ddd8.2e533c72@aol.com> <41224682.7060607@bellsouth.net> <003d01c485d7$2926fba0$8069ba3f@Desktop> Message-ID: <4125A23E.2080400@bellsouth.net> Jeffrey Blaisdell wrote: > May I make a suggestion re old, rare & out-of-print books? How about copying > them onto CD and making those available? Could be done for a small fee, > $5-10 per "book" and serve 2 purposes: raise funds for Regia and make info > available to those looking for it. A simple digital photo of each page would > be sufficient and need not be of high quality, just good enough to read the > print. Any books past copyright would be eligible, and maybe some others. Whoever does the first four volumes of the Osebergfundet please give me notice. I own NONE of those but I do have a few images someone was kind enough to post on the internet from the first volumes that are in public domain now. Dan Carlsson has done something similar with a few older Swedish books off the arkeodok.com or the Viking Heritage websites for downloads. I haven't downloaded them yet though. Dial up and not DSL yet. I never know when Bellsouth will disconnect on the spur of the moment. If I get off my butt and switch over it will be on all the time for the same amount of money. Some books are available on DVD or CD from Scotpress.com. I have a few of their printed things like the Scottish Target book (targes) originally a printing of only 70, colored no less. They are putting out more digital discs at the rate of several per month. Most of my archaeological books are in copyright though. I have considered reproducing Schramm's german book on Roman Catapults at Saalburg I have. That thing is incredibly rare. A few of the others like the ones on Cumdachs and Polaires (early medieval leather book bags) might be interesting. That one took me five years to find from one of the Scottish or Irish antiquarian journals. Irish I think. Seems like it was 1915. I'm sure if someone besides Dover illustrators had time to plunder the antiquarian journals at some place like the British Library they could find dozens if not hundreds of neat books in need of reproduction. One person near me even buys the modern copyrights to old books from them for about $140. She does soap and scent research more than anything else besides driving relatively normal people crazy. > And Magnus, do you have your books inventoried and accounted for in your > estate planning? If not, PLEASE do so, and specify where they are to go. I > saw a friend's railroad collection get destroyed in an auction, and there > are a few valuable things of his that "disappeared" altogether. > > Jeff They are not inventoried. However there is a record of what I paid for the ones I have ordered over the net. There are bookshelf by bookshelf videotapes of the ones on the walls floor to ceiling. I have a newer electronic camera I must learn to use one day and use that instead. People keep suggesting I use a barcode reader and a book inventory download program. I usually just copy all the relevant information off the book service listings on the net, even if I have to combine several of them sometimes to get an accurate citation. My sisters and the current estate lawyer that was my father's partner have plenty of emails specifying where I am considering leaving it to. The appraiser who recently did my parent's home called the estate lawyer and said he'd offer $3 apiece for all the books in the house. I bet. I am quite sure he meant the 17th/18th C stuff that belonged to the Episcopal Bishop of the Carolinas and not the thousand or two paperbacks that Dad read one of per night. Those are going to my sister and the Veterans Hospitals respectively. But it is nice for taxation purposes. So far my sister the executor has already paid $455,000 in estate taxes and if what the lawyer told me today is correct we [rather they] will be paying even more on the house contents and the land they are inheriting. Future taxes shouldn't affect my wife and me again. Figure a third of that tax money would have been mine. I'm not taking much from the house myself. We have no room for it. I'm taking the televisions, radios, vcrs, etc and eventually the computer to the VA hospitals as well here too. I knew the contents appraisal looked more than a bit light. Somewhere between 25 and 50 cents on the dollar for most things but many thousands less than the books were worth. If Liza hadn't wanted the oldest books I was going to suggest giving them to the state archives here and taking a tax deduction rather than sell them piecemeal to low bidding cherry pickers like the appraiser. Sneaky bastard. Helped lower the tax though. Actually, I am trying to decide right now how we will rewrite our wills after about 15 years. The little kids we intended to get our stuff to pay for their college tuitions are now out of college and working for the government and the Cheesecake Factory respectively. We have no budding craftspeople in the family and I'm trying to decide which ones of four crafts centers will receive my crafts tools and books (thousands literally). I am newly considering the VA hospital crafts center at Fayetteville but I want to see it first. They tore apart my industrial arts program at NCSU. So the archaeological books will likely go to UNC and Duke Universities which have archaeological schools and libraries. The wife comes first of course, although she will likely not need the money now. She has her state retirement after 35 years and will draw Social Security not very far off. I have 8 years to go to my 'official' retirement but I'm already on most of both. I may or may not live that long. Have to wait and see. I have no idea where the neuropathy is headed and I'm at risk for stroke primarily. I may not see the pain expert at Duke Medical until much later this fall. We had to postpone the internist's appointment about the referral by at least a month today. Wouldn't have had to but the transmission in one of the vans we need for picking up our part of the estate died the day before we were due to leave between appointments. Timing is everything isn't it? We do keep pictures and some inventories in the bank box. I promise you I think about it almost daily. We each have probate arranged naming the other as principal, all the accounts and insurance are in both names and are each the other's power of attorney with living wills. So they cannot close us down that way. Only other newer beneficiaries need to be chosen in the event we both die suddenly. The sisters' daughters won't be needing the money but some future grand neices and nephews might on my wife's side. I'll tell you one thing - I seriously pity my executor. Taking a guess there are 20,000 items in the house of widely varying value. That is up considerably from 1990 when we moved in and I said I'd die here rather than move it all again but I'm considering it. Our SCA friends said moving the shop three times was enough. The last time it filled the two biggest vans we could rent and took 15 of them 4 hours, considerably down from 20 people 7 hours when we had farther to carry it. Three of us had moved a quarter of it separately first and it took 17 trips with an extended E-350 van we rented for two weeks to move the books we had then. Really, we don't own much furniture at all. ;) I sometimes imagine leaving it all to the same neice and nephew equally only he'd have to quit his job at the Cheesecake Factory and get busy on eBay for a few years to collect. :) What's left to pay on the house isn't that much but it makes for our primary tax deduction. We may be adding a couple thousand square feet somewhere. I'm thinking a four story tower out back with an elevator and a garage under the deck the wife wants. So shortstuff softbottom can feed all the mosquitoes. :) She welts up like bee stings doing her gardening. Then this box and my jewelry stuff and tv might go to the top of the thing and I'd have a view of something besides bookcases. Might even rent out a former den and bedroom to a young SCAer or two. We're only 4 miles from the college. Magnus From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 20 11:02:46 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Fri Aug 20 11:00:25 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital cameras Message-ID: <043701c486c6$c5429c20$5a732052@kim1> In the Newsgroup of my Other Hobby, a participant commented that he was having trouble with his flash cards. The response turned out to be as follows. >>>>>>>>>>>> The question of card re-formatting came up on a photography forum. The overwhelming consensus of the group was for in-camera formatting of the CF card every time the pictures were downloaded to a computer. For some reason, using the computer to delete the old pictures from the CF card is asking for eventual trouble. >>>>>>>>>>>> My Minolta cannot "see" the deleted or modified jpg's the computer stores on the card, so I'm used to formatting in the camera anyway, but I thought it might be useful. Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 20 11:30:37 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (J K Siddorn) Date: Fri Aug 20 11:28:13 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Working away Message-ID: <045d01c486ca$a9c96380$5a732052@kim1> In common with a lot of other Regia members, I'm off to Wychurst for the Work Week in a few hours and will not be answering e-mails until Tuesday/Wednesday 31st August - 1st September. Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. From JuditheileenY at netscape.net Fri Aug 20 13:42:03 2004 From: JuditheileenY at netscape.net (Eileen Young) Date: Fri Aug 20 13:39:35 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] books to CD Message-ID: <4AF129F5.157AD872.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Hi, First, make SURE it is legal to copy. I'm afraid that the SCA has a bad, very bad, reputation for illegal copying. Earned, too. I would rather that Regia-NA didn't go that way. Second, find someone with a digital camera. Have pictures taken of the pages. Windows XP will handle the download directly. Third, click make CD. I have some lovely pictures from a very oversized book done that way. It only took 5 minutes. Cheers, Eileen __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Fri Aug 20 14:50:20 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Fri Aug 20 14:47:46 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital cameras In-Reply-To: <043701c486c6$c5429c20$5a732052@kim1> Message-ID: I download ALL pixes from card so card is empty when put back in camera, then I can make any changes, add text or whatever. Soffya -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net]On Behalf Of J K Siddorn Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:03 AM To: Regia UK E-group Cc: Regia US E-group Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital cameras In the Newsgroup of my Other Hobby, a participant commented that he was having trouble with his flash cards. The response turned out to be as follows. >>>>>>>>>>>> The question of card re-formatting came up on a photography forum. The overwhelming consensus of the group was for in-camera formatting of the CF card every time the pictures were downloaded to a computer. For some reason, using the computer to delete the old pictures from the CF card is asking for eventual trouble. >>>>>>>>>>>> My Minolta cannot "see" the deleted or modified jpg's the computer stores on the card, so I'm used to formatting in the camera anyway, but I thought it might be useful. Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From shutterbug49 at att.net Sat Aug 21 03:35:31 2004 From: shutterbug49 at att.net (Arthur) Date: Sat Aug 21 03:33:40 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital cameras Message-ID: <01C4871F.28068B70.shutterbug49@att.net> In order for your camera to see the pictures the files have to be named correctly. Both of my digital cameras need to have the pictues in a file with the correct name and the pictures have to have the correct number system or they can not see them or use the space on the card. I have been using digital cameras for over 2 years and taken over 20,000 pictures. I have never had any problems with my cards and I don't format them. I plug them into an addapter in my computer and move the files onto my desktop and then clear the card. The pictures should be backed up on a CD or DVD. Images fill up hard drives and computer hard drives should not be trusted for long term storage of precious photos. God bless! Shutterbug (I like cameras) -----Original Message----- From: J K Siddorn [SMTP:kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:03 AM To: Regia UK E-group Cc: Regia US E-group Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - digital cameras In the Newsgroup of my Other Hobby, a participant commented that he was having trouble with his flash cards. The response turned out to be as follows. >>>>>>>>>>>> The question of card re-formatting came up on a photography forum. The overwhelming consensus of the group was for in-camera formatting of the CF card every time the pictures were downloaded to a computer. For some reason, using the computer to delete the old pictures from the CF card is asking for eventual trouble. >>>>>>>>>>>> My Minolta cannot "see" the deleted or modified jpg's the computer stores on the card, so I'm used to formatting in the camera anyway, but I thought it might be useful. Regards, Kim Siddorn, Regia Anglorum This e-mail is confidential, legally privileged and - unless otherwise stated in the message body - is intended for the sole attention of the addressee. If you are not this person, please do not read, save, re-transmit or print the information it contains. Views expressed herein may or may not be the established policy of Regia Anglorum. Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this communication shall be legally binding. Daily updated anti-virus software was used in the generation of this e-mail and any attachments, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that their incoming mail is virus free. _______________________________________________ list-Regia-NA site list list-Regia-NA@lig.net http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Sat Aug 21 06:08:07 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Sat Aug 21 06:08:42 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] FW: Olympic fan friends Message-ID: Just had to share! " Well folks - this is rather dark humor..but gosh, this was funny. The more you watch it, the funnier it gets. For all my Olympic fan friends! http://home.datacomm.ch/marco.fernando/fla/bozzetto/olympics.swf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SOFFYA Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or Order of St. Roche Incipient Canton of Sudentur Barony of Stierbach Kingdom of Atlantia http://community.webshots.com/user/atasetofcreole From haldans at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 09:12:05 2004 From: haldans at yahoo.com (Russ Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 26 10:08:24 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia clothing In-Reply-To: <20031016160758.14717.h004.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20040826131205.92008.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34556 ===== "The moral difference between a soldier and a civilian is that the soldier accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he is a member. The civilian does not." - Robert Heinlein __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 26 13:11:19 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu Aug 26 13:02:33 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia clothing References: <20040826131205.92008.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c48b8f$b4b288c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Any pictures, Gwen? Hazel From sasha_khan at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 26 13:24:52 2004 From: sasha_khan at sbcglobal.net (Adam MacDonald) Date: Thu Aug 26 13:20:29 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia clothing References: <20040826131205.92008.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> <004a01c48b8f$b4b288c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <012b01c48b91$99889380$1c01a8c0@computer> Greetings! Gwen (Black Swan/Historic Enterprises) isn't on this list (Regia-NA) - she *is* on the Armour Archive, so I'll forward this along... Scythius/Sasha/Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: "list-Regia-NA" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia clothing > Any pictures, Gwen? > Hazel > _______________________________________________ > list-Regia-NA site list > list-Regia-NA@lig.net > http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 26 17:05:16 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu Aug 26 16:56:27 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia clothing References: <20040826131205.92008.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com><004a01c48b8f$b4b288c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <012b01c48b91$99889380$1c01a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <001901c48bb0$63516480$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > Gwen (Black Swan/Historic Enterprises) isn't on this list (Regia-NA) - she > *is* on the Armour Archive, so I'll forward this along... > Thanks, I had a lot of contact with her before York in February, and I would be interested to see the result! :-) Hazel From folo at advancenet.net Thu Aug 26 23:36:04 2004 From: folo at advancenet.net (Folo Watkins) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:35:15 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cookery Question Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040826202824.02fc6120@mail.advancenet.net> Viking cookery/baking isn't my long suit, but a friend is doing a seminar on early bread baking and posed me a question. Is there any evidence that Viking bakers used bakers' marks on their loaves? Answer off list please. Thanks for anything you can tell me. Folki From vmaa2 at cox.net Fri Aug 27 12:27:45 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Fri Aug 27 12:25:18 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Icelandic Online Message-ID: <000801c48c52$ce621d80$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> This looks interesting! ******** Icelandic Online Icelandic Online, a new beginner's course in Icelandic, will be opened officially today August 27th by the Minister of Education Thorgerdur Katrin Gunnarsdottir. Free of charge. Web site: www.icelandic.hi.is ********* Pax, ::Linda:: From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 27 15:37:16 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri Aug 27 15:28:28 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Icelandic Online References: <000801c48c52$ce621d80$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Message-ID: <001701c48c6d$42bfb380$0200a8c0@mshome.net> It says that the first part of the course 'will be' available on line in May 2004. Have we missed it? Hazel From vmaa2 at cox.net Fri Aug 27 15:55:28 2004 From: vmaa2 at cox.net (Linda Rice) Date: Fri Aug 27 15:53:15 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Icelandic Online In-Reply-To: <001701c48c6d$42bfb380$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001e01c48c6f$d0201b00$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Hi Hazel~! Gosh, I dunno, sorry! All I know is that it says "August 27" in one place and "May 2004" in another. Does seem rather contradictory doesn't it? Hmmm... perhaps someone could write and ask? (I'm not able to devote enough spare time to learning a foreign language right now, or I'd dig into it meself, sorry!) Pax, ::Linda:: You can't always judge by appearances: the early bird may have been up all night. -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-bounces@lig.net] On Behalf Of Hazel Uzzell Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:37 PM To: list-Regia-NA Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Icelandic Online It says that the first part of the course 'will be' available on line in May 2004. Have we missed it? Hazel From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 27 17:21:17 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri Aug 27 17:12:28 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Icelandic Online References: <001e01c48c6f$d0201b00$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Message-ID: <001201c48c7b$caafc740$0200a8c0@mshome.net> perhaps someone could write and ask? I tried to e-mail them, but the address they give is 'outdated' However, in the Icelandic version, I think that it says October 2004, not May. I'm not sure....I don't speak Icelandic........:-) Hazel From kesomers at gwi.net Fri Aug 27 19:51:05 2004 From: kesomers at gwi.net (ed somers) Date: Fri Aug 27 21:19:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cookery Question In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040826202824.02fc6120@mail.advancenet.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040827195105.00819ea0@pop.gwi.net> I, and perhaps others, am interested in baking. Perhaps you could consolidate the information that you recieve and post it to the list for our edification. Thanks, Ed. At 08:36 PM 08/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Viking cookery/baking isn't my long suit, but a friend is doing a seminar >on early bread baking and posed me a question. Is there any evidence that >Viking bakers used bakers' marks on their loaves? > >Answer off list please. Thanks for anything you can tell me. > >Folki > > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From folo at advancenet.net Fri Aug 27 23:36:30 2004 From: folo at advancenet.net (Folo Watkins) Date: Fri Aug 27 21:35:49 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cookery Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040827195105.00819ea0@pop.gwi.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040826202824.02fc6120@mail.advancenet.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040827203334.031c9910@mail.advancenet.net> >I, and perhaps others, am interested in baking. Perhaps you could >consolidate the information that you recieve and post it to the list for >our edification. If anyone finally writes me anything, I'll be happy to do so! However, at this point, there seems to be a reason why I couldn't find anything on bakers' marks for Viking bread! Folo From marfield66 at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 28 00:43:40 2004 From: marfield66 at sympatico.ca (Martin Field) Date: Sat Aug 28 00:34:28 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] O/T: Dress in A-S England Message-ID: <000501c48cb9$97309b40$7900a8c0@field> I know this is a little premature but the long awaited title by Gail Owen-Crocker, Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, is hopefully due out this October although the publishers are notorious for delaying the release date. Non-the-less I decided to post it up on my [New Releases] page just to oggle over the front cover ..... yes I'm desperate to get my hands on this !! http://www.an-saxim.com/newrelease.htm Cheers Martin From gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 28 05:09:54 2004 From: gythe at snrd.freeserve.co.uk (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sat Aug 28 05:01:02 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] O/T: Dress in A-S England References: <000501c48cb9$97309b40$7900a8c0@field> Message-ID: <001901c48cde$c8dbe8a0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> yes I'm desperate to get my hands on this !! Take a number! :-) Hazel From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Sat Aug 28 08:55:27 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Sat Aug 28 08:52:27 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will Message-ID: >From another list: Fabricaholic's Will Being of sound mind and body, I _____, do hereby record my last will and testament, knowing that _______, my ________, (husband, sister, daughter, etc.) has no appreciation of, or in some instances knowledge of, my extensive fabric collection deposited throughout the house. Knowing also that ____ has notified the local thrift store should I precede him or her to the great fabric shop in the sky, to pick up and dispose of the aforementioned collection. Therefore, I do will this collection, and all collections related to it, to my dear fabric preservationist _______. It is my wish that ______________, upon hearing of my death and obtaining clear proof that I did not manage, although goodness know I tried, to take it with me, would come to my home post haste, before the dumpster, search out my collection which is similarly stored. That said collection should be rescued and stacked in my sewing studio along with my sewing machines, frames, old buttons, lace, patterns, quilts, dolls and works in progress. And after this has been done that refreshments should be purchased for my friends, not yet departed, which friends are also _________'s friends, and every last one shall be in that room and they shall hold a wake and say lovely and kind things about me until they run out and then they shall divide amongst themselves, by lot, my wonderful collection. I shall be hovering over that very spot until this is done. ___________ shall then quit this spot and close the door leaving the car, the house and all the stocks and bonds and other worldly trivialities to those who don't understand. This is my wish in the matter. Signed __________________________ Date ______________ _______________________________________________ Helpful email addresses: Subscribe: SCA-Garb-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Main group web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040828/fb31ffd9/attachment.html From dsunlin at hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 13:04:12 2004 From: dsunlin at hotmail.com (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Sat Aug 28 13:01:15 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] O/T: Dress in A-S England Message-ID: Just had a look at the new YAT book on leather. Quite the resources it is. Everything you wanted to know about period shoes (but were afraid to ask) plus Esther Cameron's work on sheaths and scabbards, plus... slings! :) On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: "Martin Field" >Reply-To: list-Regia-NA >To: "REGIA ANGLORUM NA" >,, >Subject: [Regia-NA] O/T: Dress in A-S England >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:43:40 -0400 > >I know this is a little premature but the long awaited title by Gail >Owen-Crocker, Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, is hopefully due out this >October although the publishers are notorious for delaying the release >date. >Non-the-less I decided to post it up on my [New Releases] page just to >oggle >over the front cover ..... yes I'm desperate to get my hands on this !! >http://www.an-saxim.com/newrelease.htm >Cheers >Martin > > >_______________________________________________ >list-Regia-NA site list >list-Regia-NA@lig.net >http://lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From crmayhew at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 12:37:47 2004 From: crmayhew at comcast.net (CR Mayhew Comcast Account) Date: Sun Aug 29 12:34:50 2004 Subject: OT--Re: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will References: Message-ID: <001101c48de6$850af9a0$e5f22a44@hppav> PLEASE put OT in the subject line before non-Regia-related emails (like this) that you send to the list. Thank you, charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanne To: Learn Quilting ; Beginning Quilters ; BAQL ; Applique Lovers Cc: Regia - NA ; Pagan Crafts Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will From another list: Fabricaholic's Will Being of sound mind and body, I _____, do hereby record my last will and testament, knowing that _______, my ________, (husband, sister, daughter, etc.) has no appreciation of, or in some instances knowledge of, my extensive fabric collection deposited throughout the house. Knowing also that ____ has notified the local thrift store should I precede him or her to the great fabric shop in the sky, to pick up and dispose of the aforementioned collection. Therefore, I do will this collection, and all collections related to it, to my dear fabric preservationist _______. It is my wish that ______________, upon hearing of my death and obtaining clear proof that I did not manage, although goodness know I tried, to take it with me, would come to my home post haste, before the dumpster, search out my collection which is similarly stored. That said collection should be rescued and stacked in my sewing studio along with my sewing machines, frames, old buttons, lace, patterns, quilts, dolls and works in progress. And after this has been done that refreshments should be purchased for my friends, not yet departed, which friends are also _________'s friends, and every last one shall be in that room and they shall hold a wake and say lovely and kind things about me until they run out and then they shall divide amongst themselves, by lot, my wonderful collection. I shall be hovering over that very spot until this is done. ___________ shall then quit this spot and close the door leaving the car, the house and all the stocks and bonds and other worldly trivialities to those who don't understand. This is my wish in the matter. Signed __________________________ Date ______________ _______________________________________________ Helpful email addresses: Subscribe: SCA-Garb-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Main group web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040829/16ab33c3/attachment.html From hrolf at btinternet.com Sun Aug 29 16:11:59 2004 From: hrolf at btinternet.com (HROLF DOUGLASSON) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:10:05 2004 Subject: OT--Re: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will References: <001101c48de6$850af9a0$e5f22a44@hppav> Message-ID: <003501c48e04$9591f300$16ef8351@p1h2d4> personally knowing most female stashes this side of the Atlantic I thought it very relevant vara (who's husband is designing a new cupboard for the new house) ----- Original Message ----- From: CR Mayhew Comcast Account To: list-Regia-NA Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: OT--Re: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will PLEASE put OT in the subject line before non-Regia-related emails (like this) that you send to the list. Thank you, charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanne To: Learn Quilting ; Beginning Quilters ; BAQL ; Applique Lovers Cc: Regia - NA ; Pagan Crafts Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Fabricaholic's Will From another list: Fabricaholic's Will Being of sound mind and body, I _____, do hereby record my last will and testament, knowing that _______, my ________, (husband, sister, daughter, etc.) has no appreciation of, or in some instances knowledge of, my extensive fabric collection deposited throughout the house. Knowing also that ____ has notified the local thrift store should I precede him or her to the great fabric shop in the sky, to pick up and dispose of the aforementioned collection. Therefore, I do will this collection, and all collections related to it, to my dear fabric preservationist _______. It is my wish that ______________, upon hearing of my death and obtaining clear proof that I did not manage, although goodness know I tried, to take it with me, would come to my home post haste, before the dumpster, search out my collection which is similarly stored. That said collection should be rescued and stacked in my sewing studio along with my sewing machines, frames, old buttons, lace, patterns, quilts, dolls and works in progress. And after this has been done that refreshments should be purchased for my friends, not yet departed, which friends are also _________'s friends, and every last one shall be in that room and they shall hold a wake and say lovely and kind things about me until they run out and then they shall divide amongst themselves, by lot, my wonderful collection. I shall be hovering over that very spot until this is done. ___________ shall then quit this spot and close the door leaving the car, the house and all the stocks and bonds and other worldly trivialities to those who don't understand. This is my wish in the matter. Signed __________________________ Date ______________ _______________________________________________ Helpful email addresses: Subscribe: SCA-Garb-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Main group web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SCA-Garb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040829/b2ee1182/attachment.html From kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Aug 29 18:45:35 2004 From: kim.siddorn at blueyonder.co.uk (kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:39:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: information Message-ID: <20040829223948.8124612D0D@mail.lig.net> I wait for an answer! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mydate_final.zip Type: application/x-zip-compressed Size: 25491 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040829/80c05226/mydate_final-0001.bin From dactar at yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 18:45:51 2004 From: dactar at yahoo.com (dactar) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:42:53 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: information*****VIRUS ALERT****** In-Reply-To: <20040829223948.8124612D0D@mail.lig.net> Message-ID: <20040829224551.63115.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> --- kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > I wait for an answer! DO NOT OPEN THE ZIP FILE, IT IS INFECTED WITH A VIRUS!!! ===== Listen to dactarRadio: http://launch.yahoo.com/lc/?rt=0&rp1=0&rp2=1217939753 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 29 19:07:04 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 19:04:07 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: information*****VIRUS ALERT****** In-Reply-To: <20040829224551.63115.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040829230704.94786.qmail@web86910.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Kim Siddorn is away from home at the moment{I believe?}& kim doesn't send out attachments like that on the e group.If you recieve an attachment of this sort from any member of the Regia e group,view it with extreme suspicion. Regards, Mik If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040830/3d86bc30/attachment.html From jeanne at atasteofcreole.com Tue Aug 31 16:07:57 2004 From: jeanne at atasteofcreole.com (Jeanne) Date: Tue Aug 31 15:04:55 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] foto Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040831/7910b56e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fotos.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 5131 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040831/7910b56e/fotos.obj From dactar at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 16:19:20 2004 From: dactar at yahoo.com (dactar) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:27:43 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] foto****VIRUS ALERT***** In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040831201920.79183.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> DO NOT OPEN the previous email titled 'foto', it will infect your computer.... ===== Coming September 1st.... Listen to dactarRadio: http://launch.yahoo.com/lc/?rt=0&rp1=0&rp2=1217939753 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From miklawson at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 31 16:49:16 2004 From: miklawson at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:46:11 2004 Subject: [Regia-NA] foto****VIRUS ALERT***** In-Reply-To: <20040831201920.79183.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040831204916.56864.qmail@web86902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thought so!Stamped on it & put it out with the rest of the trash! Regards, Mik dactar wrote: DO NOT OPEN the previous email titled 'foto', it will infect your computer.... ===== If you know a friend you can fully trust,go often to his house. Grass & brambles quickly grow upon untrodden track. Havamal --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.lig.net/pipermail/list-regia-na/attachments/20040831/b940295b/attachment.html