[Regia-NA] Turn shoes - HELP!
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Dear Eric--
I've only watched turnshoes being made, so I'll leave the answers =
regarding weight, leather type, etc. for those who've worked with the =
stuff themselves.
But the first thing you need is a good pattern (before you start with =
the leather), and that part I can describe fairly accurately. So here =
goes--
In order to get the turnshoes to fit the way you want, with prescription =
inner soles, your best bet is to wear the socks you will wear with the =
shoes, and use the inner soles when making the pattern. My husband used =
muslin & 2 file folders to make the shoe patterns for my turnshoes =
(based on one of the Oseberg ankle boots in the June Swann book).
1. Wearing the socks I intended to wear with the shoes, I stood on the =
opened-up manila file folder, with all my weight on the one foot we were =
working with (much easier with a partner). He traced very closely =
around the bottom of my foot and then cut out on the lines, adding a =
pointy front bit near the big toe and a pointy heel stiffener in back. =
You might want to do this step standing on the inner soles and trace =
around them and your foot, depending on the shape of the inner soles. =
So that's the sole pattern.
2. He cut a piece of muslin roughly like the pattern from the book, =
only larger on all the top seams. He taped the bottom part to the sole, =
and I put the muslin-and-manila shoe on. Standing with the weight on =
that foot again, he marked where all the excess was.
3. I took off the shoe, he cut off the excess and taped the muslin up =
into a shoe. I tried the shoe back on to see if there were minor =
adjustments to be made. (The finished shoes fit well and are very =
comfortable.)
That's the pattern process in a nutshell. The benefit is that you end =
up with a pattern that you can use over and over--and use to figure out =
how much leather you'll need to buy.
Hope this helps!
--charlotte mayhew
p.s. If anyone can recommend a good source for thick goatskin for =
shoemaking, I'd appreciate it!
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To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:25 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Turn shoes - HELP!
Greetings,
=20
I am a lurker to the group and have been reading intently most =
everything posted. I have decided recently to try my hand and a pair of =
turn shoes (the Jorvik ankle boot type) and I have a few questions. I =
have worked a bit with leather, creating knife scabbards, arrow quivers =
and a few other odds and ends, but I've never tried something as =
ambitious as this.
=20
I've read several web sites and have a few patterns of the ankle boot =
that I'd like to try. My questions are this;
=20
1.. What weight leather should I use?=20
2.. I wear a size 9 to 9 =BD (US measurement, 8.5 UK and 42.5 =
European), about how many square feet (US measurement) of leather will I =
need?=20
3.. Which pattern would be easiest or best for a first timer?=20
4.. Do I need a heavier weight for soles or do I even need to attach =
a separate sole?=20
5.. Should I make the boots to fit the foot or should I make them a =
bit larger to accommodate stockings?=20
6.. Can prescription inner soles be used inside and how would one =
pad the shoe bottom?=20
=20
Any other ideas suggestions or comments please let me know via the =
internet posts. I really need some help on this info.
=20
Thanks,
=20
Eric M. Lyman
Baton Rouge, LA
=20
"En mann lever bare en gang, hans navn lever for evig. - A man can =
only live once, his name can live forever."
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Eric--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've only watched turnshoes being made, =
so I'll=20
leave the answers regarding weight, leather type, etc. for those who've =
worked=20
with the stuff themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But the first thing you need is a good =
pattern=20
(before you start with the leather), and that part I can describe fairly =
accurately. So here goes--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order to get the turnshoes to fit =
the way you=20
want, with prescription inner soles, your best bet is to wear the socks =
you will=20
wear with the shoes, and use the inner soles when making the =
pattern. My=20
husband used muslin & 2 file folders to make the shoe patterns =
for my=20
turnshoes (based on one of the Oseberg ankle boots in the June =
Swann=20
book).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Wearing the socks I intended =
to wear with=20
the shoes, I stood on the opened-up manila file folder, with all my =
weight on=20
the one foot we were working with (much easier with a partner). He =
traced=20
very closely around the bottom of my foot and then cut out on the lines, =
adding=20
a pointy front bit near the big toe and a pointy heel stiffener in =
back. =20
You might want to do this step standing on the inner soles and trace =
around them=20
and your foot, depending on the shape of the inner soles. So =
that's the=20
sole pattern.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. He cut a piece of muslin =
roughly like the=20
pattern from the book, only larger on all the top seams. He taped =
the=20
bottom part to the sole, and I put the muslin-and-manila shoe on. =
Standing=20
with the weight on that foot again, he marked where all the excess=20
was.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. I took off the shoe, he cut =
off the excess=20
and taped the muslin up into a shoe. I tried the shoe back on to =
see if=20
there were minor adjustments to be made. (The finished shoes fit =
well and=20
are very comfortable.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's the pattern process in a =
nutshell. The=20
benefit is that you end up with a pattern that you can use over and =
over--and=20
use to figure out how much leather you'll need to buy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope this helps!<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--charlotte mayhew</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>p.s. If anyone can recommend a =
good source=20
for thick goatskin for shoemaking, I'd appreciate it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Deml862@cox.net href=3D"mailto:eml862@cox.net">Eric M. =
Lyman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlist-regia-na@lig.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 29, =
2003 12:25=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Regia-NA] Turn shoes =
-=20
HELP!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Greetings,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am a lurker to the =
group and=20
have been reading intently most everything posted. <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have decided recently to =
try my hand=20
and a pair of turn shoes (the Jorvik ankle boot type) and I have a few =
questions. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have =
worked a bit=20
with leather, creating knife scabbards, arrow quivers and a few other =
odds and=20
ends, but I=92ve never tried something as ambitious as=20
this.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=92ve read several web =
sites and=20
have a few patterns of the ankle boot that I=92d like to try.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My questions are=20
this;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<OL style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: 0in" type=3D1>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What =
weight leather=20
should I use?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I wear =
a size 9 to=20
9 =BD (</SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">US</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
measurement, 8.5 </SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">UK</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> and=20
42.5 European), about how many square feet=20
(</SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">US</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
measurement) of leather will I need?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Which =
pattern would=20
be easiest or best for a first timer?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do I =
need a heavier=20
weight for soles or do I even need to attach a separate=20
sole?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Should =
I make the=20
boots to fit the foot or should I make them a bit larger to =
accommodate=20
stockings?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can =
prescription=20
inner soles be used inside and how would one pad the shoe=20
bottom?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any other ideas =
suggestions or=20
comments please let me know via the internet posts. <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I really need some help on =
this=20
info.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Eric =
M.=20
Lyman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><st1:place><st1:City><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Baton =
Rouge</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">,=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:State><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: =
yes">LA</SPAN></FONT></st1:State></st1:place><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: =
yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: =
yes"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">=93En =
mann lever=20
bare en gang, hans navn lever for evig. =96 A man can only live once, =
his name=20
can live =
forever.=94<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=
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