From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 00:09:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:09:16 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles In-Reply-To: <177.20791750.2cab3f90@aol.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3147793756_137253_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/30/03 4:20 PM, Cuthwyn@aol.com at Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2003 5:28:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, wulfhere@masspostroad.net writes: I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow string?? I'm almost certain Chris Boulton said he had one... Chris??? Aly "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" GK Chesterton I'll try it out on a bow I'm not real fond of. Problem with real wooden longbows is that if the string snaps, the bow does too. Worth learning though. Authenticity through and through. Maybe if I find a use for nettles, I won't mind the little buggers growing at the edge of the yard. Actually, if their like most plants, as soon as I decide I want them around, they'll never grow again. --MS_Mac_OE_3147793756_137253_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles on 9/30/03 4:20 PM, Cuthwyn@aol.com at Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 9/30/2003 5:28:20= PM GMT Daylight Time, wulfhere@masspostroad.net writes:


I wonder if it'= s strong enough for a bow string??


I'm almost certain Chris Boulton said he had one...  Chris???
Aly

"Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly"
GK Chesterton



I'll try it out on a bow I'm not real fond of. Problem with real wooden lon= gbows is that if the string snaps, the bow does too. Worth learning though. = Authenticity through and through. Maybe if I find a use for nettles, I won't= mind the little buggers growing at the edge of the yard. Actually, if their= like most plants, as soon as I decide I want them around, they'll never gro= w again. --MS_Mac_OE_3147793756_137253_MIME_Part-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 05:27:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:27:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031001042738.9496.qmail@web86006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-2105557029-1064982458=:7517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wulfhere wrote:on 9/30/03 4:20 PM, Cuthwyn@aol.com at Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2003 5:28:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, wulfhere@masspostroad.net writes: I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow string?? If it's strong enough for making sea going fishing nets it will be strong enough for a bow string! I once watched a programme about a village in South America making a rope bridge.Actually it was several villages from the surrounding area of a very deep ravine.They corded grass which being high altitude mountain grass was no longer than 6" long from which they made rope about 6" thick.There was a lot of work involved which is why the surrounding villages came together to work but when they finished the briges was safe enough to take a man & a very calm Llama{?} accross.Just goes to prove that the most unlikely materials have excellant strength.The bridge was supposed to be good for 20 years plus or there abouts. mik Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-2105557029-1064982458=:7517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Wulfhere <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:
on 9/30/03 4:20 PM, Cuthwyn@aol.com at Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 9/30/2003 5:28:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, wulfhere@masspostroad.net writes:


I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow string??


If it's strong enough for making sea going fishing nets it will be strong enough for a bow string!

I once watched a programme about a village in South America making a rope bridge.Actually it was several villages from the surrounding area of a very deep ravine.They corded grass which being high altitude mountain grass was no longer than 6" long from which they made rope about 6" thick.There was a lot of work involved which is why the surrounding villages came together to work but when they finished the briges was safe enough to take a man & a very calm Llama{?} accross.Just goes to prove that the most unlikely materials have excellant strength.The bridge was supposed to be good for 20 years plus or there abouts.

mik



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Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger --0-2105557029-1064982458=:7517-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 17:02:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:02:03 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles References: <177.20791750.2cab3f90@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c38835$5ac68630$0b456051@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3883D.BC5BA0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow string??=20 >I'm almost certain Chris Boulton said he had one... Chris???=20 No - but I want one. Mine's a linen one (on the authenti bow), but one = of these days I'll get around to spinning some nettle into enough thread = to make a bowstring. All I need is some nettle fibre. Oh - and to = practice my drop spinning, or I'll end up with a lumpy bowstring. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3883D.BC5BA0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow = string??=20
>I'm almost certain Chris = Boulton said=20 he had one...  Chris??? 
No - but I want one. Mine's a = linen one=20 (on the authenti bow), but one of these days I'll get around to spinning = some=20 nettle into enough thread to make a bowstring. All I need is some nettle = fibre.=20 Oh - and to practice my drop spinning, or I'll end up with a lumpy=20 bowstring.
 
Chris.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3883D.BC5BA0D0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 17:09:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:09:56 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles References: Message-ID: <003b01c38836$749f3bf0$0b456051@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3883E.D646A610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles wulfhere@masspostroad.net writes:=20 >>I wonder if it's strong enough for a bow string??=20 >>I'm almost certain Chris Boulton said he had one... Chris???=20 =20 >I'll try it out on a bow I'm not real fond of. I've got a couple of plastic bendy bows for training people - I'll use = one of those, 'cos if the string snaps it'll survive it. Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3883E.D646A610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Regia-NA] Stinging nettles
 wulfhere@masspostroad.net = writes:=20
>>I wonder if it's = strong enough=20 for a bow string??
>>I'm=20 almost certain Chris Boulton said he had one... =  Chris??? 
=20
>I'll try it out on a bow I'm not real fond of.
 
I've got a couple of plastic bendy bows for training people - I'll = use one=20 of those, 'cos if the string snaps it'll survive it.
 
Chris. 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3883E.D646A610-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 18:11:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:11:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success. --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: SZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSK To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos > Agreed - peplos is Anglecynn era - 500-ish - veryflattering though - I wish > I had time to do both! > > Slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless I thought..... > > Stewart Lewis, a member of Grantanbrycg, moved to Denmark about 6 years ago > and married a Danish museum quality silversmith. On a return visit during > the summer about 4 years ago, they met up with us at the local pub, and > Kathe was wearing a yellow linen peplos as casual wear. > > At first glance one tended to notice the silver shoulder clasps...and the > eye was drawn nearer....they were exquisite filigree copies of originals - > possibly even better made than the originals too. > > I could go on about the jewelry they'd brought with them in a box to sell - > rings, armrings, filigree brooches....but I'd just make myself drool all > over the keyboard. > > Since then she's become a Master Goldsmith. > > Some people have all the luck. > > Chris. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 18:14:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:14:30 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos Message-ID: If any one is interested in it, i have the article "Notes on the origin = of the Peplos style dress in Scandinavia", its from TOR Vol 12=20 Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 18:51:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031001175154.74231.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> >If any one is interested in it, i have the article "Notes on the origin of the Peplos style dress in Scandinavia", its from TOR Vol 12 Halvgrimr< I'd like a copy, please. Do you need me to email you my address, or can you send it email? If snail mail, can I pay you for the postage/copying? Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 19:02:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos Message-ID: Halvgrimr< I'd like a copy, please. Do you need me to email you my address, or can you send it email? If snail mail, can I pay you for the postage/copying? Edwinna ---Edwinna I have webbed them here=20 http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/temp/peplos/ let me know when you have them saved to your pc and I will kill the = site. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 20:31:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031001193138.71774.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Halvgrimr, I've now downloaded them. I much appreciate them. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 20:57:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:57:27 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats Message-ID: <3CDFC87B.5208BB80.001A93B5@aol.com> I have very light-sensitive eyes, but what works for me is to wear a linen or cotton head scarf, tied in the back, and pull it low over my eyes, so that I can still see, but it blocks the sun. I can get thru the sunniest event, including 2 weeks of Pennsic without sunglasses this way. Tola From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 21:32:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:32:37 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: <000d01c3885b$2ac438d0$0b456051@duron800> > Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success. I was talking about Stewart! Lucky s*d. Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 00:29:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:29:34 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] grumble, mutter, snort Message-ID: <000201c38875$32410920$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Oh my word. I just tried to do a bit of herringbone on my headscarf & it is really pitiful. Is it ok to thread vinework thru it? over it? Anything! ROFL It will be funny tomorrow, but I am a bit miffed by it today. Of course, I could just take it out & start over... [again, probably tomorrow!] It is very hard to remember that I've not embroidered anything since I was 16-20 - a long time ago! & I wasn't the most accomplished of needleworkers then, either. I just want to get to a point where I can embroider my gowns without being embarrassed to walk out in public. Sigh Jennifer/Ælfgifu Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne Hælendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda woruld. Amen. "Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world without end, Amen. " From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 01:55:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - Somethingfor The Walrus Message-ID: <12383626.1065056100945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_6923_10044905.1065056100943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a little sumthink for The Walrus... http://www.greenroom-press.com/clients/Aardman/home_ents/Creature%20Comforts/movies/walrus.mov Bill ------=_Part_6923_10044905.1065056100943 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just a little sumthink for The Walrus...

http://www.greenroom-press.com/clients/Aardman/home_ents/Creature%20Comforts/movies/walrus.mov

Bill

------=_Part_6923_10044905.1065056100943-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 01:58:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:58:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos Message-ID: <15329066.1065056307477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_6930_29424677.1065056307475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Stewie being as ugly as sin :o) Bill Message date : Oct 01 2003, 09:33 PM >From : Chris Boulton To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Peplos > Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success. I was talking about Stewart! Lucky s*d. Chris. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_6930_29424677.1065056307475 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

And Stewie being as ugly as sin   :o)

Bill



Message date : Oct 01 2003, 09:33 PM
From : Chris Boulton
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
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> Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success.

I was talking about Stewart! Lucky s*d.

Chris.


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------=_Part_6930_29424677.1065056307475-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 02:04:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 03:04:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats Message-ID: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_6933_23800652.1065056695449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would very much doubt straw hats...although I have irritiating "back-of-the-mind" thought that I saw something familiar in a manuscript picture at sometime. We do have saga references to big floppy hats. But I don't know of any physical evidence. Anyone else? Bill Message date : Sep 30 2003, 10:36 PM >From : Tracie Brown To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Straw hats I can get around without glasses, but I really miss sunglasses. I have straw hats that are correct for later periods, but I haven't found any styles earlier than these from the Maciejowski Bible, which is a bit late for Anglo- Saxon: http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf 17/otm17va&bdetail7.gif Anyone got some earlier hats? Thanks. -- Tracie _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_6933_23800652.1065056695449 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would very much doubt straw hats...although I have irritiating "back-of-the-mind" thought that I saw something familiar in a manuscript picture at sometime.  We do have saga references to big floppy hats.  But I don't know of any physical evidence.  Anyone else?

 

Bill



Message date : Sep 30 2003, 10:36 PM
From : Tracie Brown
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : [Regia-NA] Straw hats
I can get around without glasses, but I really miss
sunglasses. I have straw hats that are correct for later
periods, but I haven't found any styles earlier than these
from the Maciejowski Bible, which is a bit late for Anglo-
Saxon:
http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf
17/otm17va&bdetail7.gif

Anyone got some earlier hats?

Thanks.

-- Tracie
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------=_Part_6933_23800652.1065056695449-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 10:13:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:13:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] grumble, mutter, snort References: <000201c38875$32410920$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <002401c388c5$8811ab20$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Re-embroidery, my advice would be (and this is only if you haven't done so already) is to do your embroidery on a separate strip of cloth and sew it to the dress. I am convinced that this is what would have been done, rather than embroidering directly onto the dress. Think how much easier to remove the decoration when the dress was handed on! It also saves the dress cloth from damage if you have a problem with the embroidery. Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 17:54:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:54:04 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <15329066.1065056307477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <001301c38905$ca165990$0b456051@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3890E.2B5BF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >And Stewie being as ugly as sin =20 It's the welsh charm, I think... ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3890E.2B5BF4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>And Stewie being as ugly as sin  
 
It's the welsh charm, I=20 think...
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3890E.2B5BF4A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 17:54:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:54:02 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> <000d01c3885b$2ac438d0$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: Oh, okay. What is that saying about the shoemaker's children going without shoes, though...? :) --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: BLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJS To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Peplos > > Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success. > > I was talking about Stewart! Lucky s*d. > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 18:25:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:25:20 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> <000d01c3885b$2ac438d0$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: <000701c3890a$2abd6780$0b456051@duron800> > What is that saying about the shoemaker's children going without shoes, > though...? :) Were that the case, I'd feel less jealous....but it isn't. He's no mean silversmith himself now, though. I have one of her ordinary cheap plain rings....two silver wires and one strand of two thinner twisted wires, all twisted together as a three wire twist - and you can't see the join. £8 mates rates and it's better than anything I've seen for sale at less than £30. Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 18:36:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:36:52 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> <000d01c3885b$2ac438d0$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: <279801c3890b$c400d3e0$5f732052@kim1> The tailor's wife is the worst dressed woman in town, perhaps? Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Peplos > Oh, okay. > > What is that saying about the shoemaker's children going without shoes, > though...? :) > > --charlotte mayhew > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: BLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJS > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Peplos > > > > > Luck? Sounds like she's worked for the success. > > > > I was talking about Stewart! Lucky s*d. > > > > Chris. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 19:10:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:10:28 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT - Humour again Message-ID: <280c01c38910$75b42c50$5f732052@kim1> Reuters 1705EST Today, C.H. Fox, the inventor of the well-known dance the hokey-kokey died peacefully in Los Angeles. A problem was experienced at the funeral parlour when they put his left leg in the coffin .......... From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 2 19:36:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:36:15 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Peplos References: <129.32198e02.2caa0a81@aol.com> <000c01c3876d$899479e0$0b456051@duron800> <000d01c3885b$2ac438d0$0b456051@duron800> <000701c3890a$2abd6780$0b456051@duron800> Message-ID: Sounds pretty good...don't suppose she has a website? --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: IVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVT To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Peplos > > What is that saying about the shoemaker's children going without shoes, > > though...? :) > > Were that the case, I'd feel less jealous....but it isn't. He's no mean > silversmith himself now, though. > > I have one of her ordinary cheap plain rings....two silver wires and one > strand of two thinner twisted wires, all twisted together as a three wire > twist - and you can't see the join. £8 mates rates and it's better than > anything I've seen for sale at less than £30. > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 1 00:50:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk Message-ID: So, one thing I haven't heard much about is combat. Who is the fight master for Regia Anglorum North America? I'm taking classes in late medieval long sword. If I'm good and study hard I may get to learn how to be safe with blunt steel. Perhaps then Bill Short and I will start whacking at each other to develop something of an earlier period style, Viking vs, Saxon. Of course I'll have to develop some form of aerobic capacity that I currently don't posses. Also hope, by then, to have a full riveted mail. It looks like this is going to be a long dark damp winter so I guess I'll have plenty of time at the anvil. Anyone got a helm to barter for wooden objects( please note Treowryhta). I owe Jennifer a few dainties so soon I hope to have testimonials to my work. As for authenticity, you won't get much better as I abhor power tools so you really get some period stuff. Tree species is the only rub. Ash is rare here, Alder unheard of as are box and linden. Oak and field maple in profusion, hickory is about in lesser quantity. Aspen (poplar) and cherry can be found as well in lesser quantities. For Viking, spruce, hemlock and other alpine species might be more appropriate and I'm working a deal for 2000bd ft of hemlock If I can find time to cart it off site. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 02:11:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Matthew Marino Message-ID: <20031003011150.34562.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew, What kind of objects will you have to trade and what kind of helm are you looking for? I'm also happy to report that today my wife and I made a screening appointment for lasic (and no, I'm not doing it just to be more authentic) :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 03:26:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:26:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk References: Message-ID: <003f01c38955$d3c19310$1f9b08d8@boatanchor> As it stands right now, there are no official Military Training Officers in NA. At Pennsic this year George Johnson, Mark Patchet and I discussed this and decided that for the time being, the three of us would serve as MTO's for North America. This may sound a little arrogant of us, but as Mark and I were over in the UK in the spring fighting and George and I had some time swinging with Rol this summer and we have all been told that we are pretty much on the ball. We have no immediate plan to start issuing training stamps or any such thing, but if you are over here, I would suggest starting with one of the three of us. Now, unless you live in Ohio (George), or southern Ontario (Mark and I) this may be a bit of a problem for you. Unfortunately, thats the way it is for now. As far as helmets go, Mark and I have made a number of them recently. You can check a few of them out @ www.regia.ca/photos.htm. There are also some pics of a few of our other projects there. Chris Kerr From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 04:16:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (liam oshea) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New to the list In-Reply-To: <20031003011150.34562.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c3895c$c8502d00$f3a51b18@cinci.rr.com> Greetings, As has become habit over the years, I thought I'd send out a quick introduction. My name's Bill Kenton. I have been around the SCA for about 10 years, a paid member the last 7. I'm known in the SCA as Lord Liam O'Shea. Mundanely I live in Cincinnati, Oh. I've not been much into developing a true persona based around garb, etc. I'm quite involved with the local schools, libraries, scouts, etc. so I pretty much wear what 'kids' think of when they see Medieval garb. My area of study is the history of sport fishing. I realize that even the earliest I've been able to get my hands on is deemed 'post period' for Regia. But since an email I recently was forwarded had this email list as one of the recipients, I felt I should check out the list. I've held several offices in the SCA, the last being Regional Minister of Arts and Sciences. Having multiple groups to exchange ideas with is always a good thing. Gives a different perspective. Hopefully I'll be able to lend some useful conversation to this list. Liam (the fish dude) www.farreaches.org/fishing From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 07:06:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] help In-Reply-To: <004701c376f9$47efd4a0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <20031003060627.82955.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Oxbow Books (David Brown Book Co. in US) had it last week. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 08:26:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:26:21 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Embroidery? (pics) References: <1064312466.3f701e92b4630@webmail.usask.ca> Message-ID: <3F7D249D.1090006@bellsouth.net> wjy851@mail.usask.ca wrote: > > My first real attempt at embroidery (sorry pics are blurry) > > http://home.armourarchive.org/members/brodir/images/misc/embroid01.JPG > http://home.armourarchive.org/members/brodir/images/misc/embroid02.JPG > http://home.armourarchive.org/members/brodir/images/misc/embroid03.JPG > http://home.armourarchive.org/members/brodir/images/misc/embroid04.JPG > > Is a simple single-strand herringbonelike this, used to trim a garment, > appropriate for the 11th century? Herringbone appears on so many wood, bone, > antler and metal items, I thought it was a pretty safe bet. Any tips for making > my next piece more authentic? > > ~Wil I'm not the authenticity police but it looked good to me. Where did you get the cloth for the costume? That weave looked particularly good. Any other colors in it? I'll probably hear it was hand made. Knew I should have bought that big loom. Heavy wool in humid hot east coast southern America. Yeah, that works in the winter. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 09:03:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:03:55 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Copper cauldrons - somewhat OT References: <18e.1fef3250.2ca188b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F7D2D6B.7020206@bellsouth.net> Cuthwyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/09/2003 18:47:26 GMT Standard Time, > VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk writes: > >> (These are marked "Not for foodstuff", so not for cooking purposes, >> although I believe no copper cauldron/pot is actually safe for cooking.) It's the blue and green corrosive stuff that forms that is poisonous. Citric acids may leech the copper (if it is relatively pure). Hopefully there is no lead in the tin. Tin is applied by thoroughly cleaning the inside of the copper item and applying a flux of sal ammoniac on the inside. The copper pot is heated over a fire and pure melted tin is ladled in and swished about to coat it. The tin will stay there as long as there is liquid in the pot and it doesn't dry out and overheat. AFAIK Tin is relatively harmless unalloyed. I could be wrong but I have never read otherwise. Tin is in Bronze by combining it with Copper. Brass is Copper mixed with Zinc. > The cauldrom I have used for years on the Medwaeg wic came from "Premus" > and was sold as a plant container- but because the inside is tinned it's > perfectly OK. It was also declared one of the most authentic shaped > cauldron's on site by Roland. Is Premus a chain? Never heard of that one. Have seen piles of hammered pots in various stores and flea markets at various times. The most popular time period for their importation was the 1970's but they seem to be picking up again in less selection. > However - it was the only one of its kind in the batch at the shop, and > many of them had holes in, some big - some pin-sized. Small holes can > be found by putting one's head inside the cauldron and looking for > pinpricks of light. I don't know what the reaction of other customers > was to a woman putting cauldrons on her head one after another, because > I couldn't see - there was a cauldron on my head! > > Oh dear - time to sign off, I think > > Aly My first trip to the Pennsic war they were having the triple bridges battle. One guy appeared to be wearing a big necked in pot that curved out over the shoulders and puffed out like a mushroom at the top. Dumbest helmet I've ever seen. Have no idea how it got authorized. Monty Python wouldn't have it. Anyway the weenie got someone down on the ground from the opposite shieldwall and there they were with mushroom head repeatedly spearing the crap out of the guy on the ground. I never could understand why he was allowed to 1) do that; 2) do it repeatedly, maybe twenty stabs, before someone called a hold and rescued the poor smuck. It was like a surreal Vaughn Bode Deadbone Mountain scene in which some poor little goob is gunched through and impaled by an evil grinning 20 mile stare killer. Some of us still collect Vaughn Bode. For my fiftieth birthday I was given two books I didn't have on him and a large hand made cardboard of Cheech Wizard. It hangs on a hall door. One of my friends just had Cheech tatooed on his shoulder. Perhaps I am regarded as a wizard of some stripe. I don't know, but I like Cheech Wizard. Two legs under a big star covered yellow wizard hat with a tremendous libido. ;) Never see arms. An early 70's version of the Japanese Daruma. The god you see with all head and no legs and arms. Sat down to think and they withered away. I collect the kami (god statues from Japan) and particularly Daikoku (the japanese god with the hammer of happiness who sits on two rice bales, each equal to a year's rice ration, and who never worries about the mice and rats nibbling at them. Big grin on his face. I guess I forgot to mention the big gold painted bocce ball they gave me to replace the missing left testicle. However it is well known the right is as big and brassy as they come. Not all surgeons are good surgeons, Dorothy, they are rather like warlocks. The night the goober operated on me it went six times normal size. Eventually it had to be removed entirely. This was a badly botched simple hernia operation. At first. The right doubled in size to compensate for the loss. Otherwise the beard and chest hair would fall out and I'd be singing soprano - or taking sheep testosterone pills. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 09:25:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:25:47 +0100 Subject: o/t woozles - was RE: [Regia-NA] Sumptuary Laws References: <20030926113714.54692.qmail@web86210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c38987$f2543120$0200a8c0@mshome.net> As you know, Woozles have one leg longer than the other, and so could only frisk round in a circle. This would lessen the danger to assembled man and beast. Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 12:07:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:07:26 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: o/t woozles (+ girdle hangers) Message-ID: > Subject: Re: o/t woozles - was RE: [Regia-NA] Sumptuary Laws >=20 >=20 > As you know, Woozles have one leg longer than the other, and=20 > so could only frisk round in a circle. This would lessen the danger = to=20 > assembled man and beast. > Hazel >=20 Oh, *English* Woozles...that's not too bad then :) I thought you were talking about the feral sort that hunt haggis in the Highlands. >I stumbled across these items, described as "Anglo-Saxon=20 >girdle hangers". (Stumbled, but didn't fall.) Is that what=20 >they actually are? and how would they work?=20 They're named *girdle hangers* because they're usually found in a grave = in a position which indicates that they were hung from a belt - nothing to = do with their function.Lots of informed conjecture as to function, but no definitive answer. Gu=F0rum who's just been out this morning to look at a newly discovered = cross-head. Cross on either face, and a "Celtic" head on each side, most odd. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 12:13:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Joy Cain) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] spinning silk In-Reply-To: <00ce01c38134$93ef4580$1b3b2944@hppav> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1-973093768 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It depends on what you are going to use the silk for as far as setting=20= the twist. The primary thing you want to use is heat - either a tub of very hot=20 water or steam from a kettle. I soak the skeins in very hot water, roll=20= them in a towel to get the water out and them spin them around in the=20 shower to get more water out. I then snap them or hit them against the=20= counter or something to keep the yarns separated and to prevent tangles=20= (fine yarns tend to tangle more than thick - Murphy's Law). If I have a=20= small skein or if I am in a hurry, I will either hold the niddy-noddy=20 over a tea kettle and steam it or put the skein on my fabric press and=20= turn on the steam. it is neat to see the yarns twist by themselves! Since I use silk fo embroidery and weaving I dry my yarns under some=20 tension usually by hanging a small weight from the hanging skein. If you=20= want to use the silk for knitting you would want to avoid snapping the=20= skeins and instead lay the yarn on a flat surface to dry to preserve=20 what little elasticiy the silk has. I hope this helps! Joy (who has taught several classes on spinning silk) On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 02:08 PM, CR Mayhew Comcast Account=20 wrote: > A quick question on spinning silk--how does one set the twist after=20 > it's spun?=A0 Is it similar to wool or should it be handled = differently? > =A0 > Thanks! > =A0 > --charlotte mayhew --Apple-Mail-1-973093768 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 It depends on what you are going to use the silk for as far as setting the twist.=20 The primary thing you want to use is heat - either a tub of very hot water or steam from a kettle. I soak the skeins in very hot water, roll them in a towel to get the water out and them spin them around in the shower to get more water out. I then snap them or hit them against the counter or something to keep the yarns separated and to prevent tangles (fine yarns tend to tangle more than thick - Murphy's Law). If I have a small skein or if I am in a hurry, I will either hold the niddy-noddy over a tea kettle and steam it or put the skein on my fabric press and turn on the steam. it is neat to see the yarns twist by themselves!=20 Since I use silk fo embroidery and weaving I dry my yarns under some tension usually by hanging a small weight from the hanging skein. If you want to use the silk for knitting you would want to avoid snapping the skeins and instead lay the yarn on a flat surface to dry to preserve what little elasticiy the silk has. I hope this helps! Joy (who has taught several classes on spinning silk) On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 02:08 PM, CR Mayhew Comcast Account wrote: ArialA quick question on spinning silk--how does one set the twist after it's spun?=A0 Is it similar to wool or should it be handled differently? =A0 ArialThanks! =A0 Arial--charlotte mayhew = --Apple-Mail-1-973093768-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 17:02:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (CRMayhew) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] spinning silk References: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C389A6.38036970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's very helpful. Thanks! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joy Cain=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] spinning silk It depends on what you are going to use the silk for as far as setting = the twist.=20 The primary thing you want to use is heat - either a tub of very hot = water or steam from a kettle. I soak the skeins in very hot water, roll = them in a towel to get the water out and them spin them around in the = shower to get more water out. I then snap them or hit them against the = counter or something to keep the yarns separated and to prevent tangles = (fine yarns tend to tangle more than thick - Murphy's Law). If I have a = small skein or if I am in a hurry, I will either hold the niddy-noddy = over a tea kettle and steam it or put the skein on my fabric press and = turn on the steam. it is neat to see the yarns twist by themselves!=20 Since I use silk fo embroidery and weaving I dry my yarns under some = tension usually by hanging a small weight from the hanging skein. If you = want to use the silk for knitting you would want to avoid snapping the = skeins and instead lay the yarn on a flat surface to dry to preserve = what little elasticiy the silk has. I hope this helps! Joy (who has taught several classes on spinning silk) On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 02:08 PM, CR Mayhew Comcast Account = wrote: A quick question on spinning silk--how does one set the twist after = it's spun? Is it similar to wool or should it be handled differently? =20 Thanks! =20 --charlotte mayhew ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C389A6.38036970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's very helpful.  = Thanks!
--charlotte mayhew
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joy Cain=20
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 = 7:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = spinning=20 silk

It depends on what you are going to use the silk for as = far as=20 setting the twist.

The primary thing you want to use is heat - = either=20 a tub of very hot water or steam from a kettle. I soak the skeins in = very hot=20 water, roll them in a towel to get the water out and them spin them = around in=20 the shower to get more water out. I then snap them or hit them against = the=20 counter or something to keep the yarns separated and to prevent = tangles (fine=20 yarns tend to tangle more than thick - Murphy's Law). If I have a = small skein=20 or if I am in a hurry, I will either hold the niddy-noddy over a tea = kettle=20 and steam it or put the skein on my fabric press and turn on the = steam. it is=20 neat to see the yarns twist by themselves!

Since I use silk fo = embroidery and weaving I dry my yarns under some tension usually by = hanging a=20 small weight from the hanging skein. If you want to use the silk for = knitting=20 you would want to avoid snapping the skeins and instead lay the yarn = on a flat=20 surface to dry to preserve what little elasticiy the silk = has.

I hope=20 this helps!

Joy (who has taught several classes on spinning=20 silk)


On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 02:08 PM, CR Mayhew = Comcast=20 Account wrote:

A quick question on spinning=20 silk--how does one set the twist after it's spun?  Is it = similar to=20 wool or should it be handled = differently?
 
Thanks!
 
--charlotte=20 mayhew
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C389A6.38036970-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 22:09:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:09:32 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) Message-ID: <007d01c389f2$a4530120$8dc64d51@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C389FB.05ECAFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin Fields (The Wanderer), and Karen, have just been to our house and = spent a very pleasant evening, where we have attempted to set the world = to rights. He asked me to let you know (those who know him well) that = in coming to my house from his hotel he took the "scenic route" through = Liverpool :-) Therefore instead of taking about 45 minutes, it took him = one and a half hours! I wish him good luck on his return journey, = which he started 15 minutes ago! :-) Hopefully we will see them again = at the training weekend tomorrow. Ian Uzzell ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C389FB.05ECAFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Martin Fields (The Wanderer), and = Karen, have=20 just been to our house and spent a very pleasant evening, where we = have=20 attempted to set the world to rights.  He asked me to let you know = (those=20 who know him well) that in coming to my house from his hotel he took the = "scenic=20 route" through Liverpool :-)  Therefore instead of taking about 45 = minutes,=20 it took him one and a half hours!   I wish him good luck on = his return=20 journey, which he started 15 minutes ago! :-)  Hopefully we will = see them=20 again at the training weekend tomorrow.
 
Ian Uzzell
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C389FB.05ECAFA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 3 22:23:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:23:06 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) References: <007d01c389f2$a4530120$8dc64d51@mshome.net> Message-ID: <002501c389f4$a559b0d0$339b08d8@boatanchor> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C389D3.01F3DE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The wanderer strikes again :) For those of you who don't know the = story, Martin is reknowned for never taking the same route to a place = twice. In attempting to get to David & Mary Clarke's place, which is = alsmost due west for him, if I recall, he has been lost north, south and = east of his destination at different times. Once I think he even got = lost North and South at the same time. We were all shocked when he made = it from Toronto to Pennsic whithout stopping in Miami or Seatle on the = way. If anyone sees him, tell I say "hi". Chris Kerr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Uzzell=20 To: Regia NA=20 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) Martin Fields (The Wanderer), and Karen, have just been to our house = and spent a very pleasant evening, where we have attempted to set the = world to rights. He asked me to let you know (those who know him well) = that in coming to my house from his hotel he took the "scenic route" = through Liverpool :-) Therefore instead of taking about 45 minutes, it = took him one and a half hours! I wish him good luck on his return = journey, which he started 15 minutes ago! :-) Hopefully we will see = them again at the training weekend tomorrow. Ian Uzzell ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C389D3.01F3DE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The wanderer strikes again :)  For = those of=20 you who don't know the story, Martin is reknowned for never taking the = same=20 route to a place twice.  In attempting to get to David & Mary = Clarke's=20 place, which is alsmost due west for him, if I recall, he has been lost = north,=20 south and east of his destination at different times.  Once I think = he even=20 got lost North and South at the same time.  We were all shocked = when he=20 made it from Toronto to Pennsic whithout stopping in Miami or Seatle on = the=20 way.  If anyone sees him, tell I say "hi".
 
Chris Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian Uzzell =
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 = 5:09=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] (no = subject)

Martin Fields (The Wanderer), and=20 Karen, have just been to our house and spent a very pleasant = evening, where we have attempted to set the world to rights.  He = asked me=20 to let you know (those who know him well) that in coming to my house = from his=20 hotel he took the "scenic route" through Liverpool :-)  Therefore = instead=20 of taking about 45 minutes, it took him one and a half = hours!   I=20 wish him good luck on his return journey, which he started 15 minutes = ago!=20 :-)  Hopefully we will see them again at the training weekend=20 tomorrow.
 
Ian = Uzzell
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C389D3.01F3DE50-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 4 00:00:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:00:58 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) References: <007d01c389f2$a4530120$8dc64d51@mshome.net> Message-ID: <00e001c38a02$353a80a0$87722052@kim1> Hopefully *someone* will see them again .............. :o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Uzzell" To: "Regia NA" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) Martin Fields (The Wanderer), and Karen, have just been to our house and spent a very pleasant evening, where we have attempted to set the world to rights. He asked me to let you know (those who know him well) that in coming to my house from his hotel he took the "scenic route" through Liverpool :-) Therefore instead of taking about 45 minutes, it took him one and a half hours! I wish him good luck on his return journey, which he started 15 minutes ago! :-) Hopefully we will see them again at the training weekend tomorrow. Ian Uzzell From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 4 02:19:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:19:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk Message-ID: I've been learning longsword too, Matt. Where are you training? Italian or German? ;) On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: Matthew Marino >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: >Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:50:56 -0400 > > So, one thing I haven't heard much about is combat. Who is the fight >master for Regia Anglorum North America? I'm taking classes in late >medieval >long sword. If I'm good and study hard I may get to learn how to be safe >with blunt steel. Perhaps then Bill Short and I will start whacking at each >other to develop something of an earlier period style, Viking vs, Saxon. Of >course I'll have to develop some form of aerobic capacity that I currently >don't posses. Also hope, by then, to have a full riveted mail. It looks >like >this is going to be a long dark damp winter so I guess I'll have plenty of >time at the anvil. Anyone got a helm to barter for wooden objects( please >note Treowryhta). I owe Jennifer a few dainties so soon I hope to have >testimonials to my work. As for authenticity, you won't get much better as >I >abhor power tools so you really get some period stuff. Tree species is the >only rub. Ash is rare here, Alder unheard of as are box and linden. Oak and >field maple in profusion, hickory is about in lesser quantity. Aspen >(poplar) and cherry can be found as well in lesser quantities. For Viking, >spruce, hemlock and other alpine species might be more appropriate and I'm >working a deal for 2000bd ft of hemlock If I can find time to cart it off >site. > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 02:47:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:47:54 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats References: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <3F80C9CA.2040809@bellsouth.net> VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > I would very much doubt straw hats...although I have irritiating > "back-of-the-mind" thought that I saw something familiar in a manuscript > picture at sometime. We do have saga references to big floppy hats. > But I don't know of any physical evidence. Anyone else? This is more than a bit odd but in the four big books I have in Russian on the Novgorod excavations there is a boater hat like from the 1920's - exactly the same shape - that is included in the illustrations. Unfortunately I don't read Russian and it's not in the English language summary book Thompson wrote on the four reports. It looked to me like it was woven from birch bark or root. Would have looked correct walking around an English or American college. Go figure. We have a russian immigrant pair that comes to most of the gem shows here and sell birch bark boxes that are quite wonderful. Some of it is carved and scraped, sewn together with bark thongs. Some of it is impressed. Usually there are laminations to form the things. For example the hinges go down between the birch bark walls and are also formed of bark. Some are semicircular, circular, or oval. Most have Romanesque designs on them, sometimes the phoenix or various animals. Not cheap but quite beautiful. I bought the wife a semicircular one she uses for a rings box that has russian squirrels on it. Her SCA device uses Russian Chipmunks (or had to so it would pass our heralds). They have jagged ears and look a lot like a stylized Red Squirrel. Incidentally, Kim, there are different squirrel species on the two alternate rims of the Grand Canyon. Now that you have American Grey Squirrels in England, to the detriment of the poor reds, you can share my battle over my fruit trees. Nothing short of shooting them seems to work. Scent repellents, noise repellents, huge rubber snakes in the trees, various other things.... If I could pay the proper attention I'd have a hawk myself. After the passing of the last hurricane fringe they are probably desperately rebuilding their nests. The hawks tear them apart during the winters if the wind doesn't. In the NC mountains we have, or had, white ones, that were mutants in Brevard in the 60's-70's and I have heard of a few on the UNC Campus, and I think somewhere else. With the resurgence of the hawks here they've probably become lunch or bred out by now. Magnus > Bill > > > > Message date : Sep 30 2003, 10:36 PM > From : Tracie Brown > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : [Regia-NA] Straw hats > I can get around without glasses, but I really miss > sunglasses. I have straw hats that are correct for later > periods, but I haven't found any styles earlier than these > from the Maciejowski Bible, which is a bit late for Anglo- > Saxon: > http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf > 17/otm17va&bdetail7.gif > > Anyone got some earlier hats? > > Thanks. > > -- Tracie From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 07:58:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Lionheart and Attilla tonite on History Channel Message-ID: <3F81129E.1070507@bellsouth.net> Lionheart the Crusade Mon October 6 on the History Channel. 10pm eastern standard time. Looks new. 9pm is the showing of the Real Atilla the Hun. I sure hope its a much better show that ones I have seen before. http://www.historychannel.com/ Usual replays in the middle of the night. Click ahead. Preceeding these offerings is the new Mail Call and Guts and Bolts programs. Apparently Conquest is missing tonite. Wasn't on Sunday either. In Service, Master Magnus, OL, Great Barony of Windmasters' Hill, Manx, Regia.org, Great Dark Horde *** Please do not repost to usenet newsgroups.*** If you do, cut and paste the information out and leave me out of it please. You may like spam, I can live without it. Aggravation means less notifications of good things coming up. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 09:54:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats References: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> <3F80C9CA.2040809@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <011601c38be7$84a0e8f0$0e702052@kim1> Incidentally, Kim, there are different squirrel species on > the two alternate rims of the Grand Canyon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it's a bit of a trek I suppose, but I'm surprised that it's separated them sufficiently that they have emerged into two separate species. Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rmhowe" To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Straw hats > VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > > I would very much doubt straw hats...although I have irritiating > > "back-of-the-mind" thought that I saw something familiar in a manuscript > > picture at sometime. We do have saga references to big floppy hats. > > But I don't know of any physical evidence. Anyone else? > > This is more than a bit odd but in the four big books I have > in Russian on the Novgorod excavations there is a boater > hat like from the 1920's - exactly the same shape - that > is included in the illustrations. Unfortunately I don't > read Russian and it's not in the English language summary > book Thompson wrote on the four reports. It looked to me > like it was woven from birch bark or root. Would have > looked correct walking around an English or American college. > Go figure. > > We have a russian immigrant pair that comes to most of the > gem shows here and sell birch bark boxes that are quite > wonderful. Some of it is carved and scraped, sewn together > with bark thongs. Some of it is impressed. Usually there > are laminations to form the things. For example the hinges > go down between the birch bark walls and are also formed > of bark. Some are semicircular, circular, or oval. Most > have Romanesque designs on them, sometimes the phoenix > or various animals. Not cheap but quite beautiful. I bought > the wife a semicircular one she uses for a rings box that > has russian squirrels on it. Her SCA device uses Russian > Chipmunks (or had to so it would pass our heralds). They > have jagged ears and look a lot like a stylized Red Squirrel. > > Incidentally, Kim, there are different squirrel species on > the two alternate rims of the Grand Canyon. > > Now that you have American Grey Squirrels in England, to the > detriment of the poor reds, you can share my battle over my > fruit trees. Nothing short of shooting them seems to work. > Scent repellents, noise repellents, huge rubber snakes in > the trees, various other things.... > If I could pay the proper attention I'd have a hawk myself. > After the passing of the last hurricane fringe they are > probably desperately rebuilding their nests. The hawks > tear them apart during the winters if the wind doesn't. > > In the NC mountains we have, or had, white ones, that were > mutants in Brevard in the 60's-70's and I have heard of a > few on the UNC Campus, and I think somewhere else. With the > resurgence of the hawks here they've probably become lunch > or bred out by now. > > Magnus > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Message date : Sep 30 2003, 10:36 PM > > From : Tracie Brown > > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > > Copy to : > > Subject : [Regia-NA] Straw hats > > I can get around without glasses, but I really miss > > sunglasses. I have straw hats that are correct for later > > periods, but I haven't found any styles earlier than these > > from the Maciejowski Bible, which is a bit late for Anglo- > > Saxon: > > http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf > > 17/otm17va&bdetail7.gif > > > > Anyone got some earlier hats? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- Tracie > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 10:08:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:08:00 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats References: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> <3F80C9CA.2040809@bellsouth.net> <011601c38be7$84a0e8f0$0e702052@kim1> Message-ID: <002301c38be9$57d93780$0200a8c0@mshome.net> We have a red squirrel and a grey squirrel who live in the very small area of woodland at the back of our house. We have lived here for 30+ years and it is only in the last 2 years that we have seen any squirrels at all. The red one comes for nuts in the morning and the grey one in the evening. Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 15:35:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:35:38 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: longsword training; was: Enough of this domestic talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031006102457.045c14e8@mmail> "Douglas Sunlin" wrote: >I've been learning longsword too, Matt. Where are you training? Italian or >German? ;) I didn't see a reply from Matt, so permit me to step in and promote this group. The Higgins Armory Sword Guild in Worcester, MA does regular German longsword training classes (which Matt is now taking), as well as regular practice sessions and occasional special events. The guild focuses on recreating western martial arts based on the historical manuals. Information is on the guild web site: http://www.higginssword.org An upcoming special event may be of interest to Regia folks in the area. Stephen Hand will be doing two day workshop on historical sword and shield techniques in early November. More information at: http://www.higginssword.org/guild/text/special_cal.html Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 16:56:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:56:23 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Evidence for dyeing Message-ID: <006c01c38c22$64c1b920$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C38C2A.C642FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, During Jan's talk on Saturday, she mentioned evidence for a dyeing = industry in Winchester from the Winchester Domesday. I meant to ask her about it later but forgot. Does anyone know the nature of the evidence please? 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Hi everyone,
During Jan's talk on Saturday, she = mentioned=20 evidence for a dyeing industry in Winchester from the Winchester=20 Domesday.
I meant to ask her about it later but=20 forgot.
Does anyone know the nature of the = evidence=20 please?
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C38C2A.C642FDA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 20:02:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Matthew Marino In-Reply-To: <20031003011150.34562.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 09:11 PM, santell juan wrote: > Matthew, > What kind of objects will you have to trade and what > kind of helm are you looking for? I'm also happy to > report that today my wife and I made a screening > appointment for lasic (and no, I'm not doing it just > to be more authentic) :) > Glad to hear that, because there is a line, and we don't want to cross it. Anything wood, where you don't want any modern tool marks, like a circular saw or disc sander. You won't find them on my work, because I don't use them. I'm a build to order kind of guy. In the past, the biggest limiting factor has been shipping costs. I could fashion a lovely geteld frame, but who wants to pay for the bloody shipping. I made a loft for a lakeside cabin but that was a big ticket item so I loaded it and trucked it out myself. Anything you may want made from wood in the medieval style. I have made "lasts", the forms for making shoes. I'm currently working on some dainties for a wide web loom. I just procured a nice Ash trunk and I will be making spear shafts for a local gentleman. You tell me what you want, and I'll see if I can research it and fashion it. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 20:47:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: German. Hand and a half to be exact. Based on Jochim Meyers ( don't=20 hold me to the spelling) writings in the 14th century. I figured it's=20 as good a basis as any for Viking age combat. The course is offered by=20= the Higgins Armory Sword Guild in Worcester MA. Jeffrey Forgeng has=20 interpreted the work and is building a training based on it. What I=20 like about it is that it doesn't use armor in practice. So, combatants=20= must be able to control their blows to the extent that armor becomes a=20= formality even though all blows are made within range. The basic=20 training form, when done with steel at tempo gives a 100% look and feel=20= of mortal medieval combat. This is a much safer approach I feel. I=20 partner with my wife. Yesterday while practicing she lost concentration=20= and made a wrath blow when it was supposed to be a low blow to the left=20= leg. Because she was doing it right, she stopped a few inches over my=20 skull. I'm sure it was a struggle for her as she probably has a number=20= of reasons to want to crease my skull. I thank her deeply for her=20 restraint. I think it needs to be done that way. On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 09:19 PM, Douglas Sunlin wrote: > I've been learning longsword too, Matt. Where are you training?=20 > Italian or German? ;) > > > > On manr=E6den, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > >> From: Matthew Marino >> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> To: >> Subject: [Regia-NA] Enough of this domestic talk >> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:50:56 -0400 >> >> So, one thing I haven't heard much about is combat. Who is the=20 >> fight >> master for Regia Anglorum North America? I'm taking classes in late=20= >> medieval >> long sword. If I'm good and study hard I may get to learn how to be=20= >> safe >> with blunt steel. Perhaps then Bill Short and I will start whacking=20= >> at each >> other to develop something of an earlier period style, Viking vs,=20 >> Saxon. Of >> course I'll have to develop some form of aerobic capacity that I=20 >> currently >> don't posses. Also hope, by then, to have a full riveted mail. It=20 >> looks like >> this is going to be a long dark damp winter so I guess I'll have=20 >> plenty of >> time at the anvil. Anyone got a helm to barter for wooden objects(=20 >> please >> note Treowryhta). I owe Jennifer a few dainties so soon I hope to = have >> testimonials to my work. As for authenticity, you won't get much=20 >> better as I >> abhor power tools so you really get some period stuff. Tree species=20= >> is the >> only rub. Ash is rare here, Alder unheard of as are box and linden.=20= >> Oak and >> field maple in profusion, hickory is about in lesser quantity. Aspen >> (poplar) and cherry can be found as well in lesser quantities. For=20 >> Viking, >> spruce, hemlock and other alpine species might be more appropriate=20 >> and I'm >> working a deal for 2000bd ft of hemlock If I can find time to cart it=20= >> off >> site. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now=20= > FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 21:01:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:01:52 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats In-Reply-To: <002301c38be9$57d93780$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: And do these squirrels wear straw hats? We are blessed(cursed) to have gray squirrels, red squirrels, now black (which are very much like the grays), flying squirrels and chipmunks (which are like red squirrels with racing stripes). They gnaw everything into oblivion if you let them. They are all on the decline here with the resurgence of hawks, owls and coyotes. My 14lb double-clawed tabby used to eat his share but at 11years old, he's retired to hunting just half days. After watching his young himalayan girlfriend try to take over a kill, and seeing the chipmunk bloody her nose and generally kick her butt, I have no hope for her. On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Hazel Uzzell wrote: > We have a red squirrel and a grey squirrel who live in the very small > area > of woodland at the back of our house. We have lived here for 30+ years > and > it is only in the last 2 years that we have seen any squirrels at all. > The red one comes for nuts in the morning and the grey one in the > evening. > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 22:09:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:09:14 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats References: Message-ID: <00c601c38c4e$191eea20$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > And do these squirrels wear straw hats? > Not that I've noticed...but then, we are into Autumn now, and a sun hat is not really neccessary... Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 01:25:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats - OT References: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> <3F80C9CA.2040809@bellsouth.net> <011601c38be7$84a0e8f0$0e702052@kim1> <002301c38be9$57d93780$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3F820809.1020907@bellsouth.net> Hazel Uzzell wrote: > We have a red squirrel and a grey squirrel who live in the very small area > of woodland at the back of our house. We have lived here for 30+ years and > it is only in the last 2 years that we have seen any squirrels at all. > The red one comes for nuts in the morning and the grey one in the evening. > Hazel From what I have read the more aggressive greys are running the little reds out of their habitat area. We do have the rare whites in some municipalities. We put popcorn out in the yard several days a week for everyone, particularly in baby season, and the regular birdseed and suet feeders hang on a pulley before the kitchen window. We have one smart ass little grey squirrel who climbs the brick wall on occaision and may get himself in serious trouble. He won't listen to my wife. I scared him bad enough one day he belly flopped a stainless steel table at 17 feet. There were pipes on it at the time. Our county Court House is about eleven stories tall and covered with a beige small tumbled stone finish in concrete. The Squirrels downtown have few trees except in the parks but that doesn't stop them at all. They run up the front of the courthouse and somewhere I have a news picture showing two of them sitting atop the huge county seal on the front of the building looking for all the world as if they are discussing the goings on 45 feet below. (I once saw a shootout in the middle of downtown lunch there between various cops and a nutbar who had grabbed a deputy's gun and shot him downward through the belt buckle. Fat business men were running about desperately. I'd have to say that was not a shining day for the local cops, very little regard was given for pedestrians at all. (All their bullets missed, even the really fat out-of-town visiting sheriff's shots who was firing as he tried to run and keep his pants from falling down). Did blow out a number of car windows. One Raleigh cop on a tri-cycle motorcycle was going in 20' circles trying to figure out what to do. It occured in front of and behind the downtown parking building I was running at the time and we simply ran to the back to watch the chase below us. He was captured and put in Dorothea Dix mental hospital here for evaluation, subsequently escaped, was recaptured months later out west, returned, and hung himself in his cell. The deputy eventually recovered.) So there is often something quite odd for the courthouse squirrels to discuss you see. Apparently we have lunatics with guns with badges. We also have various music and new year festivals on the mall there that used to be a city street. We normally only have greys where I live. They are quite tough things to eat, even when stewed. The closest thing to a red squirrel I think we have is the Kaibab squirrel out west. I think the European Red Squirrels are beautiful. On the alternate hand we have TONS of English House Sparrows who reproduce at about four clutches per year versus our indigenous birds who only have one or two. We have many birds here at our house including a number of long lived English House Sparrows. When ours have gotten really old (like eight or more years) the breast feathers get a darker grey than the children's light grey/white. Their normal life span in the wild is maybe two years. We have octagenarians producing children at a slower rate. Our most favored pair lives in a house on a pole that was a basket ball goal once. We don't have sparrow hawks here. All of ours in the city are quite large and every now and then they will swoop our bird feeder which hangs 18" before the kitchen sink window. Or plunge into the wild big pink rose bush that they hide under. We have three big to little sizes of woodpeckers and flickers (a similar bird that eats ants as well), carolina wrens (much like their English cousins, red Cardinals, Bluejays, Bluebirds in the remote areas, goldfinches on ocaision, purple finches, catbirds, mocking birds, robins, boat-tailed grackles (black birds I love that are excellent visitors and parents who can glide more than a hundred feet and strut through the yard like Fred Astaire), blackbirds and crows and starlings who are just plain pests. Mourning doves (the stupidest things on wings who will eat all your seed and go sit on a tree waiting for a refill), and Pigeons downtown and near the Vet School and the various shopping malls. Watching the bigger woodpeckers bite the starlings who dare to stay in their regal presence is quite amusing. At the Garbage Landfills live vast flocks of seagulls despite the fact that we are 120 miles inland. At night we have what we call nighthawks (swifts?) that hunt the bugs over the lawns and fields. It is quite curious to watch the bugs rise over the trees at night. The lightning bugs go up about twenty feet over them. In the late falls sometimes the ladybugs (we have red and yellowish/orange spotted varieties) try to invade the houses en masse for warmth. We had an unused postal box for notes on our front porch and we had about a dozen who formed a semicircle by touching front legs and spent the whole winter in apparent seance. I tried making a lady bug house out of a holed insulated water jug filled with loose leaves and hung in the sun but they didn't take to it well. My assistant manager used to get on our 6 bull horn listening/announcement/intercom system in the eleven floor parking garage and do guinea hen impressions. You'd see folks for more than a block in either direction stop in confusion. At night we could pick up conversations a block away. I wish I had kept that thing. It was wondrous. It was fun watching the sun rise over the horizon some mornings when the third shift wasn't present. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 6 07:18:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:18:02 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] tent fabrics References: <005f01c384d7$62931fb0$0b456051@duron800> <005a01c384d8$ee67faa0$7d0478d8@computer> Message-ID: <3F81091A.5000104@bellsouth.net> Adam MacDonald wrote: > Avete! > > One of my tent-making cronies (who 'does' Central Asian) experimented with > using milk as a proofing experiment (a traditional treatment in parts of > Tibet and Nepal) - it worked well, but the smell was too much for modern > sensibilities. She could ignore it (the hideous stench of Satan's bum) after > a bit, but the responses from those camped near her were.... less than > joyful. > > The fish oil may have been preferable... > > Scythius Doesn't milk make casein? Perhaps the ingredients were mismatched. The coverings for Tibetan Tents I am less familiar with although I am very familiar with the Mongolian ger. I've been looking for definitive research on the things for about 9 years and have bought many books touching on them including Peter Alford Andrew's books on Felt Tents. (I also borrowed a legal sized microfilm copy of his doctoral thesis (some 1400 pages) from the College of London. At that time he had not been around more than two Turkish Yurts (and to my knowledge no Mongolian Ger until his published works). Not only do ve have viles on dese matters, we have actual books on the things, most of the better tent books written. The original paper I wrote is in a long process of updating but got an A+ in architectural technology. When I am satisfied that I have enough information it will likely be published by the SCA. It's been distributed a bit in the local classes. What I am lacking is original illustrations I can use. Curves in three dimensions involving a couple hundred pieces are a bit unusual to draw accurately, and many authors copy the original putting up a yurt/ger illustrations from N.G. of April 1963 I think. What is used in period for their tents is felted wool in great big sheets up to about 6 or 8 X 10 feet with ribbands made of camel wool I believe having seen some at one foot used to tie them to the frames and they overlap each other quite a lot. There are about three ways of making felt but the best set of illustrations I know of is in Sjoberg's book on Felt from Lark Books in Asheville, NC. Now they use canvas to cover their tents but they still insulate with the sheep's wool felt they make themselves (unless the two Soviet era factories in Ulaanbatuur are back in operation). There would be a Mother Felt laid out on the ground, and the women would sort the wool, with the whitest to be laid down first for the outside of the ger. The whiter, the higher status. They would beat the loose wool about with sticks to even it, then add more wool, gradually ending up with the darker wool on the inside. (The Turks differ here by putting down a layer of designs of various colors on the mother felt first). Then both the wool and mother felt has hot water poured upon it and they are rolled together on about a three inch pole with a dado cut on either end of the pole. The felts are also covered with a hide at this point and tied. Then a horse (with long ropes connected to ram's horns which are slipped onto the ends of the poles - the reason for the dadoed ends - drags the pole bouncing along the steppe for some longish period of time at which it is brought back, unrolled, new wool and hot water added and the process repeated. One key thing I have never yet been able to determine is how clean the wool for the felts is before being made into them. So far I haven't read of anything more than hand picking the wool apart and spreading it as to color. Sheep being the horribly grubby things they are I would have supposed a bit of cleaning. My uncle farmed some and I have a bit of first hand experience trying to catch them when they weren't of that mind. Other than that I have never been around them that much. The wool I have seen harvested is terribly grubby. I do know that wool swells when wet, and according to the National Geographic issue on Wool of about 15 years ago, it actually gives off heat. My suspicion is that either the original lanolin in the wool is sufficient, or that possibly fat or lanolin may be used at some point as further waterproofing. The Mongolians have a peculiar type of Fat Tailed Sheep, but that tail fat is usually reserved for eating. What happens to the rest of the fat I am not sure. Since boiled mutton is the general meal of the day, along with fermented mare's milk and cheese, perhaps some of it is skimmed off the communal cooking bowl and used. This I have not been able to determine thoroughly to my satisfaction. In the winter these felts may be used in up to eight layers (about two inches) on the frame. As Mongolia can get down to about 50 degrees Farhrenheit below zero in the winter the felt tents are quite necessary for survival. The air flow in a ger changes about twenty times per hour. Heating is done with dung. The actual temperature difference between in and out is about 15 degrees. But enough to support life. The original ger didn't have the framed doors we see now and the poles of earlier ages were curved so as not to poke holes in the felt covers. Canvas makes this less of a problem. The doors were made of oftimes embroidered felts inside and out that acted as flaps. The inside one might be stiffened with a reed mat that could be rolled up. Pre-Russian influence the people cooked and heated with a metal brazier or iron frame that held various sized pots. The problem was it turned the inside of the gers grey or black (which is one reason why the white color was favored - it looked newer and more prosperous) and the smoke of course had various health problems particularly for the tender who might be a servant or a less favored wife, who might lose her looks in about ten years of out of doors life, even the hair could fall out. The new wife was usually delegated the sewing duties. The old wife or wives might be in the second yurt with the supplies and servants. After the Russians came and educated them to health (bath taking, smoke pipes and cooking stoves, education and actual health care, lice eradication) many of these things faded into the past but if you look in National Geographic about some of the Nepalese or Tibetan mountain people you will find at least one image of the inner smokey interior and an iron cooking frame that caused it. The poor inhabitants look like hell. Since Ger/or Yurts are covered with wool that is felted and since they have been in use for over a millenia, and perhaps 2 and a half in a band a thousand miles high reaching from Turkey (and a bit in Hungary) to Siberia one would presume the Scandinavians to be at least knew something about it at one time in their history. It is currently under debate that the Aryans may have come from near the same source that the Hsung-Niu, Huns, Mongols, Tatars, etc emerged from. At some point the technology changed probably bearing on vernacular supplies determining the process. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 05:35:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 05:35:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] tent fabrics In-Reply-To: <3F81091A.5000104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20031007043548.86505.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-2058383981-1065501348=:84078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One key thing I have never yet been able to determine is how clean the wool for the felts is before being made into them. So far I haven't read of anything more than hand picking the wool apart and spreading it as to color. I watched a programme on the felt being made,possibly by Ray Mears the brit survivalist on the making of the felt.No where in that do i remember them washing the wool before feltingIn the same{?} programme i watch them boil a goat in a milk urn by adding hot rocks & then putting the lid on.Fasinating stuff! Regards, Mik Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-2058383981-1065501348=:84078 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

One key thing I have never yet been able to determine is
how clean the wool for the felts is before being made
into them. So far I haven't read of anything more than
hand picking the wool apart and spreading it as to color.

I watched a programme on the felt being made,possibly by Ray Mears the brit survivalist on the making of the felt.No where in that do i remember them washing the wool before feltingIn the same{?} programme i watch them boil a goat in a milk urn by adding hot rocks & then putting the lid on.Fasinating stuff!

Regards,

Mik



Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over


Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger --0-2058383981-1065501348=:84078-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 05:59:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straw hats and flying teeth References: Message-ID: <3F82484A.8080300@bellsouth.net> Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > And do these squirrels wear straw hats? I wouldn't put it past Hazel to make them some. > We are blessed(cursed) to have gray squirrels, red squirrels, now black > (which are very much like the grays), flying squirrels and chipmunks > (which are like red squirrels with racing stripes). They gnaw everything > into oblivion if you let them. They are all on the decline here with the > resurgence of hawks, owls and coyotes. I envy you the variety - flying squirrels and chipmunks do not live in our immediate neighborhood but the house where I spent my late teens prior to college had quite a colony of chipmunks. When I lived there it was C shaped and one had his solitary little hole dead center in the middle of the tiny hedged yard where the indoor swimming pool eventually went. The head would pop up rather like the whack-a-mole fair game when he checked his security. I understand in England this is called Splat-a-Rat!. Must be political. At fair our farmers sometimes bring a mongoose box which is a long dark box with a screen in one end. They persuade innocents into looking deep into the end of the box at which point they cease beating on it to arouse the mongoose and release a catch on the end that allows the back top of the box to spring up, launching a fur covered "something" right at the now screaming spectators in true trebuchet fashion. Might do well at demos. ;) "See the weasel!" "Here we'll wake him up for you!" [Great banging of sticks.] "Oh Gawd! Lookout! He's loose!" This is a bit more exciting than the stuffed scarecrows lying on the ground with their heads under cows... you know - general farm humor. Apple bobs. I suppose it's a good thing they don't study trebuchets for real as there would no doubt be flying horse apples across the aisles. (Here in the SCA we sometimes use table models for grapes.) It got really cold here about eight years back and a grey squirrel knawed open the entrance to one of our birdhouses so he could squeeze inside. The remarkable thing is -somewhere- he found some 1/4" x 2" white foam and erected a perfectly butted barrier of three pieces across the inside of the hole to hide behind. Must have been a reincarnated carpenter. Better than some I have worked with. I last saw the house this week in my shed. I still haven't replaced the front. Surprised he could squeeze in it and still arrange his 'boards'. So I would think a hat wouldn't be much of a problem. On really hot days I used to watch them lie flat on the limbs of the trees near work all extremities hanging in an area there was a natural airdraft going up. > My 14lb double-clawed tabby used > to eat his share but at 11years old, he's retired to hunting just half > days. After watching his young himalayan girlfriend try to take over a > kill, and seeing the chipmunk bloody her nose and generally kick her > butt, I have no hope for her. Must have been a female chipmunk. Except for periods raising her children all chipmunks around here live alone, establishing little territories and get 'frisky' only during mating season. Greedy little hoarders. Smart. Male animals will frequently let an opponent up once they have kicked its ass and established dominance. Females in general want a decisive end to the opponent if they are so compelled as to fight one. No mercy at all. The most enraged creature I have ever seen was a chipmunk. The last time I saw my mother alive we were in the big room off the kitchen. She slept on a sofa because of similar back pain her last years. My stepfather went outside to put a line of sunflower seeds along the rail of the porch and soon the first chipmunk of several showed up. As she was stuffing her fat little face full of seeds a second showed up and rudely shoved her off the rail into about a four foot drop to the ground. A minute later she was back atop the rail and rampantly charged the culprit from behind, fully intent on biting his tail off at the root for such rudeness, and she tried. Boy she tried. As he tried desperately to save his ass he fled pell mell down the rail strewing sunflower seeds to either side as if they were elevated water and he was on waterskis. At the end of the rail sat the house wall and he slammed headfirst into that before bouncing himself off into the bushes where she'd been knocked a moment before. Were I him I'd have barricaded my solitary hole and stayed there for a while hoping to hell she'd forget my transgressions. We never saw the physical results of her attack as we left the next day. I'm betting that tail never worked right again. A beaver's teeth never took down a tree so fast. He'd been afraid to raise his back end to run but somehow he flew down that railing. It was his rear legs skidding that launched all the spraying seeds. How much of it was force from her attack I am uncertain. She never stopped at all. She flew after him and eventually returned to gather the spilled seed. My wife's totem and nickname since childhood is chipmunk and I can assure you she is a 5' short bag full of flying elbows when she wants to be. I hope she never gets that mad myself. She's become quite interested in York fasicule 17/15 which depicts the squirrel seal with the motto: "I cracke nutes." If and when I get my casting area set up I suppose I shall have to make her one. That male chipmunk reminded me an awful lot of a certain male German Shephard I saw taking delight in chasing a large truck and biting at the front wheels. Great fun until he got his triumphant ass in front of that truck, at which point it tried to eat him. It was awful curious watching his front end run like hell upright and the back end going sideways desperately attempting to get out from underneath. The truck slowed a bit so he succeeded and lived. As I was coming from the opposite direction I got a first hand view. Instantaneous change of attitude on that dog's face. A very similar beast tried to do the same to my truck repeatedly on the way to or from a cabinet shop I worked in in the hinterlands. Someone suggested an old country 'fix' of welding a tire iron to a wheel lug nut but I didn't do it. I finally figured out the dog was so bored in his yard it was the only excitement he got. Rather like a medieval serf never allowed to leave a dead end road. No wonder quarterstaffs were so popular. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 06:45:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:45:21 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Castles and Dungeons on History Channel Message-ID: <3F8252F1.5030101@bellsouth.net> Tuesday, October 7, 2003 7-8pm eastern standard time - on Modern Marvels - Castles & Dungeons From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 16:34:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:34:21 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Lapp silver Message-ID: Notice of the discovery of an Iron Age Silver hoard in Lapland (Inari, Finland): http://tinyurl.com/prtr From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 17:01:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels References: <15189709.1065056695451.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> <3F80C9CA.2040809@bellsouth.net> <011601c38be7$84a0e8f0$0e702052@kim1> <002301c38be9$57d93780$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <3F820809.1020907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000901c38cec$53c05530$1b5e6451@duron800> Magnus wrote... > We normally only have greys where I live. > They are quite tough things to eat, even when stewed. Stew them long and slow - just at the simmer, with a nice rich gravy with a dash of wine in it, for at least two and a half hours, longer is better. It can sometimes help to prick the meat thoroughly with a fork before cooking, as if the membrane under the skin hasn't been fully scraped off after skinning, it can seal the meat from the sauce resulting in it being tough and dry. Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 18:38:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:38:49 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels In-Reply-To: <000901c38cec$53c05530$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <1C368922-F8ED-11D7-8541-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? Probably not. How much meat can you get from the little pests? About two years ago I decided I could probably save some money on the grocery bills and save my expensive perennials if I ate the rabbits that chomped and chewed whatever they could reach. You know, I haven't seen one since. How do you hunt the things? Seems to my experience on the roads that they aren't smart enough to know they're dead. On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Chris Boulton wrote: > Magnus wrote... >> We normally only have greys where I live. >> They are quite tough things to eat, even when stewed. > > Stew them long and slow - just at the simmer, with a nice rich gravy > with a > dash of wine in it, for at least two and a half hours, longer is > better. It > can sometimes help to prick the meat thoroughly with a fork before > cooking, > as if the membrane under the skin hasn't been fully scraped off after > skinning, it can seal the meat from the sauce resulting in it being > tough > and dry. > > Chris. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 22:04:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Joy Cain) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels In-Reply-To: <1C368922-F8ED-11D7-8541-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: Considering my husband came home with eight of them (he bagged six and his buddy got two) on Sunday there is more meat than you expect - about ten pounds. He is planning to make squirrel jerky. I am staying out of his way. The thing about squirrel is that they have very short attention spans, according to my hubby. If they notice you, wait a minute and they'll forget. Joy On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 01:38 PM, Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? Probably not. How much > meat can you get from the little pests? About two years ago I decided I > could probably save some money on the grocery bills and save my > expensive perennials if I ate the rabbits that chomped and chewed > whatever they could reach. You know, I haven't seen one since. How do > you hunt the things? Seems to my experience on the roads that they > aren't smart enough to know they're dead. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 22:32:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (dactar) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels In-Reply-To: <1C368922-F8ED-11D7-8541-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <20031007213202.66372.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> > OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? > Probably not. How much > meat can you get from the little pests? About I just use the legs. Cook it up like 'Buffalo' Wings. I call them 'Sqruffy Wings'. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 7 23:17:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:17:25 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits References: <1C368922-F8ED-11D7-8541-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <000d01c38d20$c9c44960$1b5e6451@duron800> No it doesn't taste like chicken - if you've tasted rabbit before, it's sort of a bit like that but - er- how does one really describe a taste in mere words? It tastes like squirrel. Nice. You'll need a couple at least for one person - if you're a carnivore like me - more is better of course....throw the potatoes in the stew half an hour before you're ready to eat and they'll get infused with the rich gravy as they cook - moorish, very moorish...I tend to throw the green veg in as well at the appropriate interval before it's ready so's to use only one large pan - less washing up - but then I don't have a dishwasher. As for hunting rabbits, I use just a standard .22 air rifle with silencer and 'scope. You need to get within 50 yards and be a good shot, and accept that some you hit will still escape down the burrow. Go for head shots every time, or through the back edge of the foreleg into the heart and lungs as a last resort if the angle's wrong. Dawn and dusk are usually the best hunting times. Be down wind, blend in and move quietly - they've got quite phenomenal hearing. Being in the states, and firearms being easier as I understand it, go for a .22 rifle with silencer and a good 'scope, but only if you've got a good large safe area to shoot. One advantage of a mere air rifle - ricochets don't go very far. Chris. > OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? Probably not. How much > meat can you get from the little pests? About two years ago I decided I > could probably save some money on the grocery bills and save my > expensive perennials if I ate the rabbits that chomped and chewed > whatever they could reach. You know, I haven't seen one since. How do > you hunt the things? Seems to my experience on the roads that they > aren't smart enough to know they're dead. > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 11:02:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:02:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits References: <1C368922-F8ED-11D7-8541-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> <000d01c38d20$c9c44960$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <001f01c38d83$5269bf40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> I have got two very upset squirrels at the bottom of my garden. They kept me awake far into the night with their heart rending sobs..... Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 13:22:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <21846420.1065615741264.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_5581_2606674.1065615741261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Chris, old bean, but if I remember correctly, hunting with a silencer, at least on a firearm, is a big no-no in most States. I think you have to have a special license to actually own one, like for a machine gun. Bill (stranded amongst the heathen hordes) Message date : Oct 07 2003, 11:18 PM >From : Chris Boulton To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits No it doesn't taste like chicken - if you've tasted rabbit before, it's sort of a bit like that but - er- how does one really describe a taste in mere words? It tastes like squirrel. Nice. You'll need a couple at least for one person - if you're a carnivore like me - more is better of course....throw the potatoes in the stew half an hour before you're ready to eat and they'll get infused with the rich gravy as they cook - moorish, very moorish...I tend to throw the green veg in as well at the appropriate interval before it's ready so's to use only one large pan - less washing up - but then I don't have a dishwasher. As for hunting rabbits, I use just a standard .22 air rifle with silencer and 'scope. You need to get within 50 yards and be a good shot, and accept that some you hit will still escape down the burrow. Go for head shots every time, or through the back edge of the foreleg into the heart and lungs as a last resort if the angle's wrong. Dawn and dusk are usually the best hunting times. Be down wind, blend in and move quietly - they've got quite phenomenal hearing. Being in the states, and firearms being easier as I understand it, go for a .22 rifle with silencer and a good 'scope, but only if you've got a good large safe area to shoot. One advantage of a mere air rifle - ricochets don't go very far. Chris. > OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? Probably not. How much > meat can you get from the little pests? About two years ago I decided I > could probably save some money on the grocery bills and save my > expensive perennials if I ate the rabbits that chomped and chewed > whatever they could reach. You know, I haven't seen one since. How do > you hunt the things? Seems to my experience on the roads that they > aren't smart enough to know they're dead. > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_5581_2606674.1065615741261 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, Chris, old bean, but if I remember correctly, hunting with a sile= ncer, at least on a firearm, is a big no-no in most States.  I think y= ou have to have a special license to actually own one, like for a machine g= un.

Bill

(stranded amongst the heathen hordes)

Message date : Oct 07 2003, 11:18 PM
From : Chris Boulto= n
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to : =
Subject : [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits
No= it doesn't taste like chicken - if you've tasted rabbit before, it's sort =
of a bit like that but - er- how does one really describe a taste in me= re
words? It tastes like squirrel. Nice. You'll need a couple at least = for one
person - if you're a carnivore like me - more is better of cour= se....throw
the potatoes in the stew half an hour before you're ready t= o eat and they'll
get infused with the rich gravy as they cook - mooris= h, very moorish...I
tend to throw the green veg in as well at the appro= priate interval before
it's ready so's to use only one large pan - less= washing up - but then I
don't have a dishwasher.

As for huntin= g rabbits, I use just a standard .22 air rifle with silencer
and 'scope= . You need to get within 50 yards and be a good shot, and accept
that s= ome you hit will still escape down the burrow. Go for head shots every
= time, or through the back edge of the foreleg into the heart and lungs as a=
last resort if the angle's wrong.

Dawn and dusk are usually th= e best hunting times. Be down wind, blend in and
move quietly - they've= got quite phenomenal hearing.

Being in the states, and firearms be= ing easier as I understand it, go for a
.22 rifle with silencer and a g= ood 'scope, but only if you've got a good
large safe area to shoot. One= advantage of a mere air rifle - ricochets
don't go very far.

C= hris.


> OK, I'll bite. Does it taste just like chicken? Prob= ably not. How much
> meat can you get from the little pests? About t= wo years ago I decided I
> could probably save some money on the gro= cery bills and save my
> expensive perennials if I ate the rabbits t= hat chomped and chewed
> whatever they could reach. You know, I have= n't seen one since. How do
> you hunt the things? Seems to my experi= ence on the roads that they
> aren't smart enough to know they're de= ad.
>


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------=_Part_5581_2606674.1065615741261-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 13:45:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:45:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <21846420.1065615741264.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <20031008124555.39285.qmail@web86005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-663219474-1065617155=:38504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh my god!In the uk we don't have the restriction on suppressors but almost anything else to do with guns is banned.The lunacy that is British law states that the Grenade ring that holds my keyring together & on which i have my house keys is under the class 1 firearms act because it's part of a weapon;even though the uk goverment gave me the Grenade to chuck in the first place!{i was in the army at the time,honest!}.Technically even deactivated bullets come under the class 1 act{remember bullet belts from the 80's,illeagal} At the moment in this country we are suffering from the tabloid papers latest crusade.There have been a lot of shootings in my area dispite the almost total ban on firearms over here.A footballer was shot in the butt which made a few people giggle{ok,i giggled} but the government can't figure out why gun crime is growing.I think the answer is the fact that the honest people who had guns were banned from keeping them & being honest they don't go out & buy thier own to replace them,whilst the criminals are finding machine guns easier to come by than ever before.People are arming themselves to protect them selves from armed criminals & then finding ammo expensive.Armed police on the streets of the uk are not far away i think,we already have permantly armed response units. There is even talk of banning airguns,how rediculous{& yes i have seen close up the results of bullets entering the human body,not nice!} but even so it's the people not the guns who are unsafe.As Chris will tell you,if you are on someones property in this country & you are armed & with permission,if a member of the public out walking thier dog spotted you & reported it to the police you will quickly find yourself surrounded by helicopters & armed police because everyone is so paraniod about guns here. Ok rant{?} over but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned? Regards, mik VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: Sorry, Chris, old bean, but if I remember correctly, hunting with a silencer, at least on a firearm, is a big no-no in most States. I think you have to have a special license to actually own one, like for a machine gun. Bill (stranded amongst the heathen hordes) Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-663219474-1065617155=:38504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Oh my god!In the uk we don't have the restriction on suppressors but almost anything else to do with guns is banned.The lunacy that is British law states that the Grenade ring that holds my keyring together & on which i have my house keys is under the class 1 firearms act because it's part of a weapon;even though the uk goverment gave me the Grenade to chuck in the first place!{i was in the army at the time,honest!}.Technically even deactivated bullets come under the class 1 act{remember bullet belts from the 80's,illeagal}
At the moment in this country we are suffering from the tabloid papers latest crusade.There have been a lot of shootings in my area dispite the almost total ban on firearms over here.A footballer was shot in the butt which made a few people giggle{ok,i giggled} but the government can't figure out why gun crime is growing.I think the answer is the fact that the honest people who had guns were banned from keeping them & being honest they don't go out & buy thier own to replace them,whilst the criminals are finding machine guns easier to come by than ever before.People are arming themselves to protect them selves from armed criminals & then finding ammo expensive.Armed police on the streets of the uk are not far away i think,we already have permantly armed response units.
There is even talk of banning airguns,how rediculous{& yes i have seen close up the results of bullets entering the human body,not nice!} but even so it's the people not the guns who are unsafe.As Chris will tell you,if you are on someones property in this country & you are armed & with permission,if a member of the public out walking thier dog spotted you & reported it to the police you will quickly find yourself surrounded by helicopters & armed police because everyone is so paraniod about guns here.
Ok rant{?} over but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned?
Regards,
 mik

VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

Sorry, Chris, old bean, but if I remember correctly, hunting with a silencer, at least on a firearm, is a big no-no in most States.  I think you have to have a special license to actually own one, like for a machine gun.

Bill

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38D9D.6C5F4244-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 15:34:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <000d01c38d20$c9c44960$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <9230CF20-F99C-11D7-B09E-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> > As for hunting rabbits, I use just a standard .22 air rifle with > silencer > and 'scope. You need to get within 50 yards and be a good shot, and > accept > that some you hit will still escape down the burrow. Go for head shots > every > time, or through the back edge of the foreleg into the heart and lungs > as a > last resort if the angle's wrong. > > Dawn and dusk are usually the best hunting times. Be down wind, blend > in and > move quietly - they've got quite phenomenal hearing. > > Being in the states, and firearms being easier as I understand it, go > for a > .22 rifle with silencer and a good 'scope, but only if you've got a > good > large safe area to shoot. One advantage of a mere air rifle - ricochets > don't go very far. > In that respect, perhaps the bow and arrow are better. Tough to get down a burrow with a 30" cedar shaft through your head. For me it was more a decision of blunts or points. Besides, I hate guns. Granted they are very practical, effective weapons. If I was ever hunting for subsistence I would certainly use guns, bait and traps. I'll try the bow, that'll require either a tremendous accuracy at 20 yards, or really good stalking. Although, most animals in our area are so used to humans I don't think getting close represents a suitable challenge. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 15:46:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <21846420.1065615741264.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <2C8E8CBD-F99E-11D7-B09E-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 08:22 AM,=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Sorry, Chris, old bean, but if I remember correctly, hunting with a=20 > silencer, at least on a firearm, is a big no-no in most States.=A0 I=20= > think you have to have a special license to actually own one, like for=20= > a machine gun. > Oh yes, that's quite true, silencers are a huge no-no. Getting an F.I.D=20= in the Massachusetts is getting more difficult by the minute. Perhaps a=20= very light weight crossbow. I can circumvent some of the hunting permit=20= process by staying in my yard. Need be careful. I know of a family that had a 10year old boy taken=20 away by the state because He and his dad killed a rabbit ate it and=20 kept a "lucky rabbits foot". Social Services Case worker thought that=20 killing and cutting up an animal was to horrible. She probably had=20 leather seats in her car, or at least leather shoes. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 16:07:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <20031008124555.39285.qmail@web86005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C23BD6A-F9A1-11D7-B09E-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> > but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned? > Yes. By making sure the gun makes a loud bang, it gives the other McDonalds patrons some small chance to run for cover. That way only serious criminals, ex-military and the CIA can kill without warning. For most of America's history every home had a gun for every adult (14+) male and gun violence was rarer than not. My fathers says he and his friends used to bring rifles to school so they could hunt on the way home. Not that I disagree with bans on automatic weapons and control of firearms. If a person is going to murder, they'll do it but Columbine High would have been a lot less bloody if all those two young men had were sharp sticks. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 18:10:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits References: <1C23BD6A-F9A1-11D7-B09E-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <001501c38dbf$0a6384b0$2b9b08d8@boatanchor> I don't really want to be classified as "one of THOSE list guys", but is a thread on gun control laws of the world really appropriate for a Viking age living history group list? Just asking. Chris From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 18:17:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:17:51 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <001f01c38d83$5269bf40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <59143604-F9B3-11D7-8B58-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Well, as long as they don't start sporting chain maille, spangenhelms and carrying crossbows I think we'll be OK. Though, the legend of Squirrel Mark's Bane does come to mind. Younger brother of Squirrel the Unaware who was murdered by Sir Mark Squirrels' Bane on the archery range while foolishly checking the bull for acorns. Legend has it that he roams the land seeking revenge with his tiny arbalista and helm. On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:02 AM, Hazel Uzzell wrote: > > I have got two very upset squirrels at the bottom of my garden. They > kept me > awake far into the night with their heart rending sobs..... > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 18:23:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <001501c38dbf$0a6384b0$2b9b08d8@boatanchor> Message-ID: <20031008172326.97879.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-190873996-1065633806=:96733 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok understood! While we were in Eire the first year,a couple of guys went a huntin with Regia strength bows {35lb draw weight} just to see if we could actually do anything useful with the bows.They came back with a couple of bunnies which were promptly eaten & tasted all the better for being fresh.They were shot with regulation rubber tipped blunts the same ones the archers shot at me that week.So bunny hunting with bows is practical. Regards, mik Chris Kerr wrote: I don't really want to be classified as "one of THOSE list guys", but is a thread on gun control laws of the world really appropriate for a Viking age living history group list? Just asking. 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Ok understood!
While we were in Eire the first year,a couple of guys went a huntin with Regia strength bows {35lb draw weight} just to see if we could actually do anything useful with the bows.They came back with a couple of bunnies which were promptly eaten & tasted all the better for being fresh.They were shot with regulation rubber tipped blunts the same ones the archers shot at me that week.So bunny hunting with bows is practical.
Regards,
mik

Chris Kerr <ckerr@spectranet.ca> wrote:
I don't really want to be classified as "one of THOSE list guys", but is a
thread on gun control laws of the world really appropriate for a Viking age
living history group list? Just asking.

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Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger --0-190873996-1065633806=:96733-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 18:31:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:31:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <001501c38dbf$0a6384b0$2b9b08d8@boatanchor> Message-ID: <4B7DD8D0-F9B5-11D7-8B58-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Your right. It's an inevitability of cyber-friends chatting. I'll try to be more conscienceious about getting OT OL (Off Topic Off List). How about that Pope's ban on crossbows. Crossbows don't kill people, Knights kill people. Same #&*^$% different millenium. On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 01:10 PM, Chris Kerr wrote: > I don't really want to be classified as "one of THOSE list guys", but > is a > thread on gun control laws of the world really appropriate for a > Viking age > living history group list? Just asking. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 18:41:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:41:22 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <20031008172326.97879.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 01:23 PM, mik lawson wrote: > Ok understood! > While we were in Eire the first year,a couple of guys went a huntin > with Regia strength bows {35lb draw weight} just to see if we could > actually do anything useful with the bows.They came back with a couple > of bunnies which were promptly eaten & tasted all the better for being > fresh.They were shot with regulation rubber tipped blunts the same > ones the archers shot at me that week.So bunny hunting with bows is > practical. > Regards, > mik > Can you get me some link to a source for these? The combat shafts the SCA uses are a bit more comical than functional. Some of the heavy listers claim you can whack them out of the air if your looking. Both my longbows are #65 or better. Are these self bows? I ask because it's so hard to get a shaft to bend properly around a handle with low draw weight wood bows. That bend is critical to accuracy. I would imagine our Viking age friends would have snared small game. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 21:17:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:17:18 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Combat arrows/blunts References: Message-ID: <001301c38dd9$36f5e490$1b5e6451@duron800> Don't know about sources in the States, but if you do a search on the net for Quicks - UK you should come up with a supplier here. We use self bows with a maximum 33.5 lb draw-wieght for combat - no limits if you're not using it for shooting at people - and arrows to the following specs (for combat arrows)..... Use P.O.C. (Port Orford Cedar) shafts spined at 40 / 45 lb or 45 / 50 lb, 11/32 inch diameter, left at full length (standard supplied length is 32inches), not cut to owner's draw-length. This is to make them more resistant to breakage, and can be picked up by any archer on the battlefield knowing how it'll shoot. Also, they can be used in stronger bows for demo's or competitions without risk - multi funtional, see. The standard black blunts available from Quicks are fine - make sure you order the 11/32 inch ones to fit the shafts. The fletch should be 3 1/2 inches long, 1 inch high at the rear and 5/8 inch high at the front, three fletch. Self nocks of course. The fletch can be bound if you like, but this isn't mandatory for combat arrows. Use a believable colour - undyed linen thread is perfect of course! Oh yes - fletch colours need to be believable too - black, brown, white or grey turkey feather is just fine for combat arrows. Write your name on the shaft about 9 inches back from the blunt so's it's not visible when it's in the quiver but your personal arrows can be identified. The flex of the arrow shaft around the bow when shooting is indeed important, but I've found it less of a problem with longbows than I did with modern bows. Something to do with the slower action I suspect. I've shot matchboxes off sticks with over spined arrows before now, so I haven't really found it a problem. Well - not with low poundage bows anyway. Chris Boulton, Regia National Missiles Officer (for my sins). From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 21:25:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (dactar) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <20031008172326.97879.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031008202518.16844.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> ..and I use a sling(shot). --- mik lawson wrote: > Ok understood! > While we were in Eire the first year,a couple > of guys went a huntin with Regia strength bows > {35lb draw weight} just to see if we could > actually do anything useful with the bows.They > came back with a couple of bunnies which were > promptly eaten & tasted all the better for > being fresh.They were shot with regulation > rubber tipped blunts the same ones the archers > shot at me that week.So bunny hunting with bows > is practical. > Regards, > mik > > Chris Kerr wrote: > I don't really want to be classified as "one of > THOSE list guys", but is a > thread on gun control laws of the world really > appropriate for a Viking age > living history group list? Just asking. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll > take over > > > --------------------------------- > Want to chat instantly with your online > friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 21:36:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <15250315.1065645393294.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_13283_1370476.1065645393292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I was able to garner from the media about gun crime in the UK, before I left, it seems to be a horrible import from the States...like the growing industry of litigation. :o( Bill ------=_Part_13283_1370476.1065645393292 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What I was able to garner from the media about gun crime in the UK, before I left, it seems to be a horrible import from the States...like the growing industry of litigation.  :o( 

Bill

------=_Part_13283_1370476.1065645393292-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 21:39:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:39:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <9653920.1065645551200.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_13323_15872397.1065645551198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Columbine would have been a lot less bloody if their parents had been responsible. (you have to take a test to drive a car, but you don't have to take a test to be a parent) Bill Message date : Oct 08 2003, 04:07 PM >From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits > but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned? > Yes. By making sure the gun makes a loud bang, it gives the other McDonalds patrons some small chance to run for cover. That way only serious criminals, ex-military and the CIA can kill without warning. For most of America's history every home had a gun for every adult (14+) male and gun violence was rarer than not. My fathers says he and his friends used to bring rifles to school so they could hunt on the way home. Not that I disagree with bans on automatic weapons and control of firearms. If a person is going to murder, they'll do it but Columbine High would have been a lot less bloody if all those two young men had were sharp sticks. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_13323_15872397.1065645551198 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Columbine would have been a lot less bloody if their parents had been re= sponsible.  (you have to take a test to drive a car, but you don't hav= e to take a test to be a parent)

Bill



Message date : Oct 08 2003, 04:07 PM
From : Wulfhere se = Treowryhta
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Co= py to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting ra= bbits
> but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned?
>
Yes. By making sure the gun makes a loud bang, it gives the other
= McDonalds patrons some small chance to run for cover. That way only
ser= ious criminals, ex-military and the CIA can kill without warning.

F= or most of America's history every home had a gun for every adult
(14+)= male and gun violence was rarer than not. My fathers says he and
his f= riends used to bring rifles to school so they could hunt on the
way hom= e. Not that I disagree with bans on automatic weapons and
control of fi= rearms. If a person is going to murder, they'll do it but
Columbine Hig= h would have been a lot less bloody if all those two young
men had were= sharp sticks.

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------=_Part_13323_15872397.1065645551198-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 21:50:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:50:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031008205011.24621.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1807568173-1065646211=:24095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think Chris Boulton on the uk list would be the best person to talk to,him being the archery officer.I shall post this mail to him & he can answer in his own {official} words. Over to you Chris! Regards, Mik As a PS to this posting,if there is one archer you have a good chance of knocking the arrow out of the sky at any poundage of bow just don't expect to be able to do that with more than one archer.They have a habit of waiting till you are distracted before loosing the goose shaft in your direction.With more than 3 archers i don't expect to have a long life on the battle field Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: Can you get me some link to a source for these? The combat shafts the SCA uses are a bit more comical than functional. Some of the heavy listers claim you can whack them out of the air if your looking. Both my longbows are #65 or better. Are these self bows? I ask because it's so hard to get a shaft to bend properly around a handle with low draw weight wood bows. That bend is critical to accuracy. I would imagine our Viking age friends would have snared small game. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-1807568173-1065646211=:24095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I think Chris Boulton on the uk list would be the best person to talk to,him being the archery officer.I shall post this mail to him & he can answer in his own {official} words.
Over to you Chris!
Regards,
Mik
As a PS to this posting,if there is one archer you have a good chance of knocking the arrow out of the sky at any poundage of bow just don't expect to be able to do that with more than one archer.They have a habit of waiting till you are distracted before loosing the goose shaft in your direction.With more than 3 archers i don't expect to have a long life on the battle field
Wulfhere se Treowryhta <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:

Can you get me some link to a source for these? The combat shafts the
SCA uses are a bit more comical than functional. Some of the heavy
listers claim you can whack them out of the air if your looking. Both
my longbows are #65 or better. Are these self bows? I ask because it's
so hard to get a shaft to bend properly around a handle with low draw
weight wood bows. That bend is critical to accuracy. I would imagine
our Viking age friends would have snared small game.

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Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger --0-1807568173-1065646211=:24095-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 22:01:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <6170060.1065646874780.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_13606_32558567.1065646874777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had a conversation at Fritton one year about snaring versus shooting. It has to have been much more "economical" to catch game by the former method. We were extremely irate at a flock of geese that was in residence around the camp and would buzz us every morning at 0530 with a wake-up call. Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged over actually hitting one in flight. Feasible, certainly, but not without a lot of fetching...fallen birds, stray arrows, etc.. More likely, someone would have waited til the geese went to roost, snuck up on their nests and netted them...a large net being able to take several birds at once. My experience with SCA arrows are that yes, you can watch them coming and even step out of the way. Bill ------=_Part_13606_32558567.1065646874777 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We had a conversation at Fritton one year about snaring versus shooting.  It has to have been much more "economical" to catch game by the former method.  We were extremely irate at a flock of geese that was in residence around the camp and would buzz us every morning at 0530 with a wake-up call.  Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged over actually hitting one in flight.  Feasible, certainly, but not without a lot of fetching...fallen birds, stray arrows, etc..  More likely, someone would have waited til the geese went to roost, snuck up on their nests and netted them...a large net being able to take several birds at once.

My experience with SCA arrows are that yes, you can watch them coming and even step out of the way.

Bill

------=_Part_13606_32558567.1065646874777-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 22:03:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:03:35 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery References: <20031008205011.24621.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011001c38ddf$a32af230$0e702052@kim1> A thing I have tried myself is an archery duel. We used fifty pound bows and started at sixty paces. Both of us were quite good shots (I was a target archer for several years in the 1960's and became a GNAS Instructor). We found that you took your life in your hands if you shot together, as - shooting directly at each other - it was almost impossible to see the arrow in time to dodge it. After a couple of close calls (a combat blunt bouncing off your left upper arm and leaving a black rubber skid mark up your forehead does so concentrate the mind), we retired to a hundred yards and tried again. This was easier and the angle of shooting meant you could see the bow limbs reflex, so you knew the arrow was on its way. If you shot second, you had a good chance of a hit , but needed to rely on your opponents accuracy not to step into the path of his arrow, as you did not have time to judge the fall properly, but just leap aside after you'd loosed. After I'd dropped an arrow right on top of his head and he'd nailed my foot to the floor, we decided that honour was satisfied and spent the evening basking in the glory that attaches itself to the foolhardy. Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mik lawson" To: Cc: "chris boulton" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits > I think Chris Boulton on the uk list would be the best person to talk to,him being the archery officer.I shall post this mail to him & he can answer in his own {official} words. > Over to you Chris! > Regards, > Mik > > As a PS to this posting,if there is one archer you have a good chance of knocking the arrow out of the sky at any poundage of bow just don't expect to be able to do that with more than one archer.They have a habit of waiting till you are distracted before loosing the goose shaft in your direction.With more than 3 archers i don't expect to have a long life on the battle field > Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > > Can you get me some link to a source for these? The combat shafts the > SCA uses are a bit more comical than functional. Some of the heavy > listers claim you can whack them out of the air if your looking. Both > my longbows are #65 or better. Are these self bows? I ask because it's > so hard to get a shaft to bend properly around a handle with low draw > weight wood bows. That bend is critical to accuracy. I would imagine > our Viking age friends would have snared small game. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over > > > --------------------------------- > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 22:11:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:11:59 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery References: <20031008205011.24621.qmail@web86007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <011001c38ddf$a32af230$0e702052@kim1> Message-ID: <011e01c38de0$cffa6470$0e702052@kim1> - I forgot to say that in those far-off days we were using fifty pound (odd) yew bows. Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 22:13:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:13:46 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits References: <9653920.1065645551200.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <002401c38de1$1eb2d3e0$5f448751@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38DE9.71921000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes you do unfortuately its only a practical: then with a nine month wait for the results:) vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Columbine would have been a lot less bloody if their parents had been = responsible. (you have to take a test to drive a car, but you don't = have to take a test to be a parent) Bill Message date : Oct 08 2003, 04:07 PM=20 From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits=20 > but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned?=20 >=20 Yes. By making sure the gun makes a loud bang, it gives the other=20 McDonalds patrons some small chance to run for cover. That way only=20 serious criminals, ex-military and the CIA can kill without warning. = For most of America's history every home had a gun for every adult=20 (14+) male and gun violence was rarer than not. My fathers says he = and=20 his friends used to bring rifles to school so they could hunt on the = way home. Not that I disagree with bans on automatic weapons and=20 control of firearms. If a person is going to murder, they'll do it = but=20 Columbine High would have been a lot less bloody if all those two = young=20 men had were sharp sticks.=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38DE9.71921000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes you do unfortuately its only a=20 practical:
then with a nine month wait for the=20 results:)
vara
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From:=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet= .co.uk=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, = 2003 9:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] OT- = Cooking=20 squirrels & hunting rabbits

Columbine would have been a lot less bloody if their parents had = been=20 responsible.  (you have to take a test to drive a car, but you = don't have=20 to take a test to be a parent)

Bill



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To : list-regia-na@lig.net =
Copy to :=20
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting = rabbits=20
> but i'm surprised to find silencers are banned?
>=20

Yes. By making sure the gun makes a loud bang, it gives the = other=20
McDonalds patrons some small chance to run for cover. That way = only=20
serious criminals, ex-military and the CIA can kill without = warning.=20

For most of America's history every home had a gun for every = adult=20
(14+) male and gun violence was rarer than not. My fathers says = he and=20
his friends used to bring rifles to school so they could hunt on = the=20
way home. Not that I disagree with bans on automatic weapons and =
control of firearms. If a person is going to murder, they'll do = it but=20
Columbine High would have been a lot less bloody if all those = two young=20
men had were sharp sticks.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38DE9.71921000-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 02:21:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eric M. Lyman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Squirrls, guns and silencers. Oh my! Message-ID: <000001c38e03$b05b10b0$fec50b44@eric1fbqtyrghy> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38DD9.C7868F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Squirrels, guns, silencers and everything else combined, I'll bite. Please forgive me for intruding as I am not a member of Regia UK or its US affiliate, but after reading many of your posts I've got to respond to these related posts. You might notice that I live in Louisiana. No, I am not a Cajun (although my wife is) and yes, Cajuns eat most anything including squirrel. I how ever have not. I am not from Louisiana, but I spent most of my misguided youth in Utah pretending that I was really a mountain man (think of a geeky 14-16 year old trying to be Jeremiah Johnson). I've tried eating gopher (not bad, but greasy), jack rabbit (too tough and stringy) and even the elusive porcupine (I found out that the 'pine' in the name stands for it tasting like a pinecone). Out here we eat alligator. Not bad, but then every things better in a good Cajun sauce picante. On to guns. I grew up the son of a US Army colonel, and knew how to use and clean a 22 cal. rifle before I was 6. By 9 I was a good shot and during my stint in the Army my shooting only got better. As a former member of the US Army's 7th Special Forces Group shooting had to be good and accurate. Mine was. Nothing that I am proud of today, suffice it to say, I am still alive after Granada, (thanks Thatcher) and Panama (thanks Bush Sr.). No, today I don't own a gun or even an air pistol. My wife (a 17 year police vet) doesn't own one or even want one in our house. I agree. I've seen too many bad things happen due to guns. I do own a longbow, and a poor replica of a 10th century Viking sword and my wife has qualms about them, but I keep them away from the niece and nephew and I've never had to use one to dispatch an enemy. The lady who took the child away from the folks whose dad killed the rabbit obviously has never been hungry for rabbit. I wonder if teaching a 5 year old to gut a fish is against the law too. Although I can't bring myself to hunt anymore, I don't see the harm in increasing your larder by doing so, but only if you really plan on using it. So why I am interested in Regia, history, culture, language and the opportunity to understand my Swedish grandfather's forefathers. Plus, I think they had really neat pointy things to scare their neighbors with. Way too cool! Oh, and I can't forget about the boats. Love them boats. However I feel that what the Vikings really needed were a few good platoons of airborne troopers, we'd all be speaking Danish or Swedish today had they had them. I am still trying to learn modern Swedish and more of the esoteric arts of the Norse like bone carving and shoe making. I don't think I'd be much good on a battlefield today. Once you've seen the elephant, the circus isn't much fun. Eric M. Lyman A.k.a. Mons Monson (yes, it was my grandfather's name) Baton Rouge, LA eml862@cox.net ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38DD9.C7868F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK.  = Squirrels, guns, silencers and everything else combined, I’ll bite.  Please forgive me for intruding = as I am not a member of Regia UK= or its = US= affiliate, but after reading many of your posts I’ve got to respond to these = related posts.

 

You might notice that I live in = Louisiana.  No, I am not a Cajun (although = my wife is) and yes, Cajuns eat most anything including squirrel.  I how ever have not.  I am not from Louisiana, but I = spent most of my misguided youth in Utah pretending that I was really a = mountain man (think of a geeky 14-16 year old trying to be Jeremiah Johnson).  I’ve tried eating gopher = (not bad, but greasy), jack rabbit (too tough and stringy) and even the elusive = porcupine (I found out that the ‘pine’ in the name stands for it = tasting like a pinecone).  Out here we = eat alligator.  Not bad, but then every things = better in a good Cajun sauce picante.

 

On to = guns.  I grew up the son of a US Army = colonel, and knew how to use and clean a 22 cal. rifle before I was 6.  By 9 I was a good shot and = during my stint in the Army my shooting only got better.  As a former member of the US = Army’s 7th Special Forces Group shooting had to be good and = accurate.  Mine was.  Nothing that I am proud of = today, suffice it to say, I am still alive after = Granada, (thanks Thatcher) and Panama (thanks Bush Sr.).  No, today I = don’t own a gun or even an air pistol.  = My wife (a 17 year police vet) doesn’t own one or even want one in = our house.  I agree.  I’ve seen too many bad = things happen due to guns.  I do = own a longbow, and a poor replica of a 10th century Viking sword = and my wife has qualms about them, but I keep them away from the niece and = nephew and I’ve never had to use one to dispatch an = enemy.

 

The lady who took the child away from the folks whose = dad killed the rabbit obviously has never been hungry for rabbit.  I wonder if teaching a 5 year = old to gut a fish is against the law too.  = Although I can’t bring myself to hunt anymore, I don’t see the harm = in increasing your larder by doing so, but only if you really plan on using = it.

 

So why I am interested in Regia, history, culture, = language and the opportunity to understand my Swedish grandfather’s = forefathers.  Plus, I think they had really = neat pointy things to scare their neighbors with.  Way too cool!  Oh, and I can’t forget = about the boats.  Love them = boats.  However I feel that what the = Vikings really needed were a few good platoons of airborne troopers, we’d all be speaking Danish or Swedish today had they had = them.

 

I am still trying to learn modern Swedish and more of = the esoteric arts of the Norse like bone carving and shoe making.  I don’t think I’d = be much good on a battlefield today.  = Once you’ve seen the elephant, the circus isn’t much = fun.

 

Eric M. = Lyman

A.k.a. Mons Monson (yes, it was my grandfather’s name)

Baton = Rouge, LA

eml862@cox.net

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38DD9.C7868F50-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 02:33:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Silver hoard in Lapland Message-ID: <3F84BAEA.9070606@bellsouth.net> an Iron Age Silver hoard in Lapland (Inari, Finland) http://tinyurl.com/prtr Unique enamelled Roman England pan. Quite pretty. http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/01/ntreas01.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/01/ixhome.html Also on the Portable Antiquities Scheme pages: http://pas.toadhms.com/hms/ or better on: http://www.finds.org.uk/news/newsarticle.asp?id=155 Vinland Map: http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-86134sy0oct05,0,2193516.story?coll=dp-news-local-final From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 03:27:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:27:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Regia-NA]_Squirrls,_guns_and_silencers._=A0Oh_my!?= Message-ID: <7390092.1065666440577.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> ------=_Part_147_22468552.1065666440574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, I putter around with bone carving (and a bit of horn and antler). Hopefull= y I will be getting my house in some sort of order shortly (still trying to= get the blasted thing sorted since taking custody from the very messy prev= ious tenants) and I would like to host a get together of Regia members and = prospects...maybe around November. I live in Biloxi, and if you would like= to come along, we could exchange info. Bill Message date : Oct 09 2003, 02:23 AM=20 >From : Eric M. Lyman=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : [Regia-NA] Squirrls, guns and silencers. Oh my!=20 name=3D"country-region"/>=20 name=3D"State"/>=20 name=3D"City"/>=20 name=3D"place"/>=20 OK. Squirrels,=20 guns, silencers and everything else combined, I=92ll bite. style=3D'mso-spa= cerun:yes'> Please forgive me for intruding as I am=20 not a member of Regia size=3D2 face=3DArial>UKsize=3D2 face=3DArial> or its= size=3D2 face=3DArial>USsize=3D2 face=3DArial> affiliate, but=20 after reading many of your posts I=92ve got to respond to these related pos= ts. =20 You might notice that I live in size=3D2 face=3DArial>Louisianasize=3D2 fac= e=3DArial>.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> No, I am not a Cajun (although my w= ife=20 is) and yes, Cajuns eat most anything including squirrel.style=3D'mso-space= run:yes'> I how ever have not.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> I am not from L= ouisiana, but I spent=20 most of my misguided youth in Utah pretending that I was really a mountain = man=20 (think of a geeky 14-16 year old trying to be Jeremiah Johnson).style=3D'ms= o-spacerun:yes'> I=92ve tried eating gopher (not bad,=20 but greasy), jack rabbit (too tough and stringy) and even the elusive porcu= pine=20 (I found out that the =91pine=92 in the name stands for it tasting like=20 a pinecone). Out here we eat alligator.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Not ba= d, but then every things better in=20 a good Cajun sauce picante. =20 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>On to guns.size=3D2 face=3DAri= al>style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> I grew up the son of a US Army colonel,=20 and knew how to use and clean a 22 cal. rifle before I was 6.style=3D'mso-s= pacerun:yes'> By 9 I was a good shot and during my=20 stint in the Army my shooting only got better.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> = As a former member of the US Army=92s=20 7th Special Forces Group shooting had to be good and accurate.style=3D'mso-= spacerun:yes'> Mine was.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Nothing that I am pro= ud of today, suffice=20 it to say, I am still alive after size=3D2 face=3DArial>Granadasize=3D2 fac= e=3DArial>, (thanks Thatcher)=20 and style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Panamasize=3D2 face=3DAria= l> (thanks=20 Bush Sr.). No, today I don=92t=20 own a gun or even an air pistol. My=20 wife (a 17 year police vet) doesn=92t own one or even want one in our=20 house. I agree.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> I=92ve seen too many bad thing= s=20 happen due to guns. I do own a=20 longbow, and a poor replica of a 10th century Viking sword and my=20 wife has qualms about them, but I keep them away from the niece and nephew = and=20 I=92ve never had to use one to dispatch an enemy. =20 The lady who took the child away from the folks whose dad=20 killed the rabbit obviously has never been hungry for rabbit.style=3D'mso-s= pacerun:yes'> I wonder if teaching a 5 year old to gut=20 a fish is against the law too. Although=20 I can=92t bring myself to hunt anymore, I don=92t see the harm in=20 increasing your larder by doing so, but only if you really plan on using it= . =20 So why I am interested in Regia, history, culture, language and=20 the opportunity to understand my Swedish grandfather=92s forefathers.style= =3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Plus, I think they had really neat=20 pointy things to scare their neighbors with.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Wa= y too cool!style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Oh, and I can=92t forget about the= =20 boats. Love them boats.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> However I feel that wh= at the Vikings really=20 needed were a few good platoons of airborne troopers, we=92d all be=20 speaking Danish or Swedish today had they had them. =20 I am still trying to learn modern Swedish and more of the esoteric=20 arts of the Norse like bone carving and shoe making.style=3D'mso-spacerun:y= es'> I don=92t think I=92d be much=20 good on a battlefield today. Once=20 you=92ve seen the elephant, the circus isn=92t much fun. =20 Eric M. Lyman A.k.a. Mons Monson (yes, it was my=20 grandfather=92s name) style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>Baton Rouge s= ize=3D2 face=3DArial>, style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-no-p= roof:yes'>LAsize=3D2 face=3DArial> eml862@cox.net ------=_Part_147_22468552.1065666440574 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Eric,

I putter around with bone carving (and a bit of horn and antle= r).  Hopefully I will be getting my house in some sort of order shortl= y (still trying to get the blasted thing sorted since taking custody from t= he very messy previous tenants) and I would like to host a get together of = Regia members and prospects...maybe around November.  I live in Biloxi= , and if you would like to come along, we could exchange info.

Bill



Message date : Oct 09 2003, 02:23 AM
From : Eric M. Lyma= n
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject = : [Regia-NA] Squirrls, guns and silencers. Oh my!





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OK.  Squirre= ls,
guns, silencers and everything else combined, I=92ll bite. style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> Please forgive me for intrudin= g as I am
not a member of Regia
size=3D2 face=3DArial>UKsize=3D2 face=3DArial> or its size=3D2 face=3DArial>USsize=3D2 f= ace=3DArial> affilia= te, but
after reading many of your posts I=92ve got to respond to these= related posts.



 



You might notice that I live in <= st1:place>size=3D2 face=3DArial>Louisianasize=3D2 face=3DArial>.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  No, I am not a= Cajun (although my wife
is) and yes, Cajuns eat most anything includin= g squirrel.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  I how ever= have not.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  I am not fr= om Louisiana, but I spent
most of my misguided youth in Utah pretending= that I was really a mountain man
(think of a geeky 14-16 year old tryi= ng to be Jeremiah Johnson).style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  <= /SPAN>I=92ve tried eating gopher (not bad,
but greasy), jack rabbit (to= o tough and stringy) and even the elusive porcupine
(I found out that t= he =91pine=92 in the name stands for it tasting like
a pinecone).  Out here we eat alligator.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  Not bad, but then every thin= gs better in
a good Cajun sauce picante.


 



style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>On to guns.size=3D2 face=3DArial>style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  = I grew up the son of a US Army colonel,
and knew how to use and clean a= 22 cal. rifle before I was 6.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> = ; By 9 I was a good shot and during my
stint in the Army my shoo= ting only got better.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  = As a former member of the US Army=92s
7th Special Forces Gro= up shooting had to be good and accurate.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes= '>  Mine was.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  = Nothing that I am proud of today, suffice
it to say, I am still = alive after
size=3D2 face=3DAr= ial>Granadasize=3D2 face=3DArial>, (thanks Thatcher)
and
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Panamasize=3D2 face=3DArial> (thanks
Bush Sr.).  No, today I don=92t
own a gun or e= ven an air pistol.  My
wi= fe (a 17 year police vet) doesn=92t own one or even want one in our
hou= se.  I agree.style= =3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  I=92ve seen too many bad things
= happen due to guns.  I do own= a
longbow, and a poor replica of a 10th century Viking swor= d and my
wife has qualms about them, but I keep them away from the niec= e and nephew and
I=92ve never had to use one to dispatch an enemy.=



 



The lady who took the child away from the folks whose dad =
killed the rabbit obviously has never been hungry for rabbit.= style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  I wonder if teaching a 5 year o= ld to gut
a fish is against the law too.  Although
I can=92t bring myself to hunt anymore, I don= =92t see the harm in
increasing your larder by doing so, but only if yo= u really plan on using it.



 



So why I am interested in Regia, history, culture, languag= e and
the opportunity to understand my Swedish grandfather=92s forefath= ers.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  Plus, I think the= y had really neat
pointy things to scare their neighbors with.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  Way too cool!style= =3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  Oh, and I can=92t forget about the <= BR>boats.  Love them boats.style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> 
However I feel that wha= t the Vikings really
needed were a few good platoons of airborne troope= rs, we=92d all be
speaking Danish or Swedish today had they had them.



 



I am still trying to learn modern Swedish and more of the = esoteric
arts of the Norse like bone carving and shoe making.= style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  I don=92t think I=92d be much <= BR>good on a battlefield today.  Once
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------=_Part_147_22468552.1065666440574-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 03:29:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mobile Renn Faire Message-ID: <31598130.1065666588815.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> ------=_Part_149_15386568.1065666588812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many would be interested in a weekend at the Mobile Renn Faire (Alabama) for putting on a display? Dates are set for 1 and 2 November. There wouldn't be a charge for us, unless anyone wants to trade, and I am going to try and wrangle some firewood. Bill ------=_Part_149_15386568.1065666588812 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How many would be interested in a weekend at the Mobile Renn Faire (Alabama) for putting on a display? Dates are set for 1 and 2 November.  There wouldn't be a charge for us, unless anyone wants to trade, and I am going to try and wrangle some firewood.

Bill

------=_Part_149_15386568.1065666588812-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 06:04:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brian Caruso) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Greetings Message-ID: <20031009050450.65971.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings everyone, I am new to this list as well as to Regia NA. I have been a WWII reenactor for about 2 years now, but I also have an interest in Viking and Celtic history. I hope to be able to learn from those on this board with experince, and slowly start to get a persona started. I would mainly like to focus on the vikings. I know this is not the right question to ask to get started, but its an itch that needs to be scratched. Has anyone here been in the RA combat? and what is it like? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 13:42:10 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Greetings Message-ID: <25174820.1065703330053.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_5102_15605796.1065703330051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Welcome to the list. I've done Regia combat. What perspective of "what is it like" do you want? We fight with blunt steel, using a system of judged killing shots based on armor (or lack of) worn. Except for some show scenes, fighting is not choreographed. During a show, fights are most likely going to be warriors enmasse. But after the main show, for those warriors still with the energy, we do "circle" fights, where individual skill tends to be more emphasized. Bill ------=_Part_5102_15605796.1065703330051 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Brian,

Welcome to the list.  I've done Regia combat.  What perspective of "what is it like" do you want?  We fight with blunt steel, using a system of judged killing shots based on armor (or lack of) worn.  Except for some show scenes, fighting is not choreographed.  During a show, fights are most likely going to be warriors enmasse.  But after the main show, for those warriors still with the energy, we do "circle" fights, where individual skill tends to be more emphasized. 

Bill

------=_Part_5102_15605796.1065703330051-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 14:10:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:10:24 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: >I would mainly like to focus on the > vikings. I know this is not the right question to ask > to get started, but its an itch that needs to be > scratched. Has anyone here been in the RA combat? and > what is it like? >=20 It's so much fun that I still enjoy doing it after 17 years :). No two battles are ever the same, and the competative element really provides incentive - not just to fight well, but to support your = comrades. Since we used rebated steel we do ensure that blows are not landed full-weight, but pulled at the last moment. It is a fine art to make a = blow go in fast enough to get through the enemy's guard (and look = believable to the public) but be able to brake it enough for it to land no harder = than a light slap, which is the required weight of blow. Choice of weapons and the deployment of assets can also make a = tremendous difference between a good hard fight and a massacre. The best, = well-armoured warrior is still going to have trouble if two or three spearmen gang up = on him, and can circle round his shield. Some weapons, such as the dane-axe, require special combat rules as it = is not possible to use them the way they were intended in a 'safe' = fashion. For a newcomer's views I'd ask Mark and Chris to chip in, since they = came to Shrewsbury and plunged straight into it. Gu=F0rum From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 14:21:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:21:09 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Combat arrows/blunts In-Reply-To: <001301c38dd9$36f5e490$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <72148D2C-FA5B-11D7-8035-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> > The flex of the arrow shaft around the bow when shooting is indeed > important, but I've found it less of a problem with longbows than I > did with > modern bows. Something to do with the slower action I suspect. I've > shot > matchboxes off sticks with over spined arrows before now, so I haven't > really found it a problem. Well - not with low poundage bows anyway. > We'll have to dialog off list about that. It flies in the face of everything I have been shown and much of my practical experience. Most all modern bows in the states are center shot so yes, in that case, over spine is insignificant and under is a bigger problem. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 14:39:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:39:58 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits In-Reply-To: <15250315.1065645393294.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <12EDF2FA-FA5E-11D7-8035-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Oh, don't blame it on us! It's the effect of failing prosperity and a=20 disenfranchised populous. The "right to bear arms" was supposed to=20 prevent the government from being able to summarily overpower it's own=20= people. Unless the government will allow me to bear an Apache=20 Helicopter with laser guided smart bombs, the concept is obsolete. On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 04:36 PM,=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > What I was able to garner from the media about gun crime in the UK,=20 > before I left, it seems to be a horrible import from the States...like=20= > the growing industry of litigation.=A0 :o(=A0 > > Bill > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 14:48:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:48:13 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: > Oh, don't blame it on us! Unless the government will allow me = to bear an > > Apache Helicopter with laser guided smart bombs, the = concept is obsolete. >=20 But Wulfhere, the US government *does* allow Bill to play with Apache Helicopters with laser guided smart bombs :o) (don't be fooled by his e-addy) Gu=F0rum From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 8 16:36:53 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Kimberly Karn) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again In-Reply-To: <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> Having bought a french bell wedge from panther primatives I am loathe to invest in another tent as of right now but I just picked up some jute fabric in a herringbone weave for some bags. It was 2.99 a yard and a nice tight weave as well as a good weight. At that price I can afford to get a few more bolts. I was wondering what would be wrong with a tent made of this fabric. I got the second one down. I just love red. http://www.jamesthompson.com/zoom.php?SampleName=Burlap_Plaids I know jute comes from India. I understand that the fiber prolly would not be used in that part of europe in our period, but cotton would have been just as scarce. Jute stands up to the weather fairly well. Can I just get a bit of feedback before I plunge into this investment. I was thinking Geteld btw Kimberly From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 17:22:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:22:58 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> Message-ID: <004501c38e81$a169b290$1b5e6451@duron800> > I got the second one down. I just love red. No. If any, the bottom one. Guthrum? What do you think? Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 17:29:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:29:44 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton References: <6170060.1065646874780.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <005301c38e82$8eb67240$1b5e6451@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C38E8A.EDF60420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill wrote.... Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged over = actually hitting one in flight.=20 Um...OK, I'll admit it. I did actually try a shot at them in flight. = Just once - couldn't get that thought of roast goose out of my head. They were flying at about 50 feet, but I still didn't realise just how = much lead I needed to give. My arrow passed well behind and I could = swear I saw the back one stick it's tongue out at me. Easier by far to = net them or catch them on the ground with a bow. 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Bill wrote....
Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged = over=20 actually hitting one in flight. 
 
Um...OK, I'll admit it. I did actually = try a shot=20 at them in flight. Just once - couldn't get that thought of roast goose = out of=20 my head.
They were flying at about 50 feet, = but I still=20 didn't realise just how much lead I needed to give. My arrow passed well = behind=20 and I could swear I saw the back one stick it's tongue out at me. Easier = by far=20 to net them or catch them on the ground with a bow.
 
Chris.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C38E8A.EDF60420-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 18:03:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ishido) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Hi all Message-ID: <20031009170357.86466.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all I am a new member to Regia, but have been a member of Re-enactment/ living history groups for a while now. I got started in the SCA (in a group near George Johnson) in '86. I moved to VT about 7 years ago and landed in another SCA group with several folks present that would fit right into the Regia mindset... I was introduced to Regia by George and a few other old friends at Pennsic, and that planted the seed. My wife and I have have recently sent our memberships and are looking forward to the documentation/kit specs. book. Here in Northern VT, like-minded folks have started to design ourselves a local group based around Rhuddlan (a village in N. Wales) in the year 1070. Some of us are experienced spinners and weavers from prior SCA projects, others are equestrians, and some of us have done steel fighting for public displays. It has been fun so far... Robert/ Ben Pyles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 18:15:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Mike Fuchs) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E88.EDB10B1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn? I have a small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / buckles / belt tips - mounts etc. However, I have no experience working or tooling it. I would also appreciate any information on how these types of items were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when not in use, and how should the inside of the drinking horn be finished for use. Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in its' natural state, say after a bit of sanitizing then curing with your drink of choice? All information is greatly appreciated. Carrek ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E88.EDB10B1E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working and Decorating Horn

Does anyone have experience or sources on working = horn?  I have a small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use = for Viking style drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced = for buttons / buckles / belt tips - mounts etc.  However, I have no = experience working or tooling it.  I would also appreciate any = information on how these types of items were decorated, how the drinking = horns were carried when not in use, and how should the inside of the = drinking horn be finished for use.  Does it need a beeswax or pitch = lining or can it be used in its' natural state, say after a bit of = sanitizing then curing with your drink of choice?  All information = is greatly appreciated.

Carrek

------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E88.EDB10B1E-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 18:52:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:52:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Message-ID: <23166917.1065721932189.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> ------=_Part_9355_21355469.1065721932186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, I've worked horn a bit. There is some info on the web about how to. My ex= perience has been mainly making spoons. For cutting, you might prefer to u= se a manual tool rather than something electric, as cutting horn produces e= xtremely noxious odors...burnt hair smell and sometimes that smell permeate= s the horn and will smell faintly of it later. When doing carving, work sl= owly and carefully making small cuts...horn being composed of keratin, it m= anifests itself physically in growth by strands and layers. When cutting t= hese layers, sometimes they can peel...making small cuts means that you mig= ht be able to control the peeling and save a workpiece. I don't know if I = would use horn for a buckle...its location means it endures a bit of stress= and movement, and it might peel easily. When making spoons, it really eas= y to boil the horn and make flat pieces thereafter...but again, the smell i= s very irritating...best done outdoors. I have finished most of my spoons = with beeswax, but I do know of people using sealants (foodgrade safe...avai= lable on the web), especially when coating the inside of a drinking horn. = Most of the drinking horns I've cut, I have left uncoated inside, but ensur= ed they are completely clean and sterilized...use a solution of 3 parts wat= er to 1 part bleach. However, these will sometimes still have a smell to t= hem. I wouldn't use a drinking horn for a hot beverage as this also causes= a smell and taint to the beverage. Not having my library with me at the m= oment, I can't comment on horn decoration, or if there are any finds of suc= h. I have thought about using a woodburning tool to do some decoration...u= sing the heat tip would melt the strands and should prevent the possibility= of peeling, although it would probably smell digusting! Bill ------=_Part_9355_21355469.1065721932186 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike,

I've worked horn a bit.  There is some info on the web about how to= .  My experience has been mainly making spoons.  For cutting, you= might prefer to use a manual tool rather than something electric, as cutti= ng horn produces extremely noxious odors...burnt hair smell and sometimes t= hat smell permeates the horn and will smell faintly of it later.  When= doing carving, work slowly and carefully making small cuts...horn being co= mposed of keratin, it manifests itself physically in growth by strands and = layers.  When cutting these layers, sometimes they can peel...making s= mall cuts means that you might be able to control the peeling and save a wo= rkpiece.  I don't know if I would use horn for a buckle...its location= means it endures a bit of stress and movement, and it might peel easily.&n= bsp; When making spoons, it really easy to boil the horn and make flat piec= es thereafter...but again, the smell is very irritating...best done outdoor= s.  I have finished most of my spoons with beeswax, but I do know of p= eople using sealants (foodgrade safe...available on the web), especially wh= en coating the inside of a drinking horn.  Most of the drinking horns = I've cut, I have left uncoated inside, but ensured they are completely clea= n and sterilized...use a solution of 3 parts water to 1 part bleach.&n= bsp; However, these will sometimes still have a smell to them.  I woul= dn't use a drinking horn for a hot beverage as this also causes a smell and= taint to the beverage.  Not having my library with me at the moment, = I can't comment on horn decoration, or if there are any finds of such. = ; I have thought about using a woodburning tool to do some decoration...usi= ng the heat tip would melt the strands and should prevent the possibility o= f peeling, although it would probably smell digusting!

Bill

 

------=_Part_9355_21355469.1065721932186-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 18:56:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <9851618.1065722182413.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> ------=_Part_9402_15401245.1065722182410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not really Apaches...but I have had experience with Pave Lows and mini-guns= !!! Message date : Oct 09 2003, 02:48 PM=20 >From : Nicholson, Andrew=20 To : 'list-regia-na@lig.net'=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits=20 > Oh, don't blame it on us! Unless the government will allow me to=20 bear an > > Apache Helicopter with laser guided smart bombs, the concept is= =20 obsolete.=20 >=20 But Wulfhere, the US government *does* allow Bill to play with Apache=20 Helicopters with laser guided smart bombs :o) (don't be fooled by his=20 e-addy)=20 Gu=F0rum=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_9402_15401245.1065722182410 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not really Apaches...but I have had experience with Pave Lows and mini-guns= !!!



Message date : Oct 09 2003, 02:48 PM
From : Nicholson, A= ndrew
To : 'list-regia-na@lig.net'
Copy to :
Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] OT- Cooking s= quirrels & hunting rabbits
> Oh, don't blame it on us! Unl= ess the government will allow me to
bear an > > Apache Helicopter= with laser guided smart bombs, the concept is
obsolete.
>
<= BR>But Wulfhere, the US government *does* allow Bill to play with Apache Helicopters with laser guided smart bombs :o) (don't be fooled by his e-addy)

Gu=F0rum

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------=_Part_9402_15401245.1065722182410-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 18:58:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:58:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: <16758344.1065722287674.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> ------=_Part_9418_23064054.1065722287672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have loved to have had those wing bones! (that was you that took the shot? I thought it was Dave Cartmel) Bill Message date : Oct 09 2003, 05:31 PM >From : Chris Boulton To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Bill wrote.... Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged over actually hitting one in flight. Um...OK, I'll admit it. I did actually try a shot at them in flight. Just once - couldn't get that thought of roast goose out of my head. They were flying at about 50 feet, but I still didn't realise just how much lead I needed to give. My arrow passed well behind and I could swear I saw the back one stick it's tongue out at me. Easier by far to net them or catch them on the ground with a bow. Chris. ------=_Part_9418_23064054.1065722287672 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would have loved to have had those wing bones!  (that was you that took the shot?  I thought it was Dave Cartmel)

Bill



Message date : Oct 09 2003, 05:31 PM
From : Chris Boulton
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton







Bill wrote....

Watching the flock circle one afternoon, comments were exchanged over
actually hitting one in flight. 

 

Um...OK, I'll admit it. I did actually try a shot
at them in flight. Just once - couldn't get that thought of roast goose out of
my head.

They were flying at about 50 feet, but I still
didn't realise just how much lead I needed to give. My arrow passed well behind
and I could swear I saw the back one stick it's tongue out at me. Easier by far
to net them or catch them on the ground with a bow.

 

Chris.

 

------=_Part_9418_23064054.1065722287672-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 19:01:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:01:33 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <1ca.122f0c89.2cb6fc7d@aol.com> --part1_1ca.122f0c89.2cb6fc7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think it would be fun to go hunt in costume with a bow or spear lol but im not that good with a bow and i don't know how to throw a spear but i could go hunt with my spud gun lol micah aka snorri --part1_1ca.122f0c89.2cb6fc7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think it would be fun to go hunt in costume with a b= ow or spear lol but im not that good with a bow and i don't know how to thro= w a spear but i could go hunt with my spud gun lol
micah aka snorri
--part1_1ca.122f0c89.2cb6fc7d_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 19:12:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:12:29 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery Message-ID: <84.1a65eeba.2cb6ff0d@aol.com> --part1_84.1a65eeba.2cb6ff0d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what about your eyes what if you got hit with one in the eye i dont PVC combat and we have bows and arrows they are 45bls and we make are own arrows the have pip insulation that is bigger then our eye socket lol has any buddy been shoot in the eye in ragia combat? micah aka snorri --part1_84.1a65eeba.2cb6ff0d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what about your eyes what if you got hit with one in t= he eye i dont PVC combat and we have bows and arrows they are 45bls and we m= ake are own arrows the have pip insulation that is bigger then our eye socke= t lol has any buddy been shoot in the eye in ragia combat?
micah aka snorri
--part1_84.1a65eeba.2cb6ff0d_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 19:15:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <12141303.1065723309547.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> ------=_Part_9585_32924274.1065723309545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing. I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I think they are primarily based in the Netherlands. Bill ------=_Part_9585_32924274.1065723309545 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing.  I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I think they are primarily based in the Netherlands.

Bill

------=_Part_9585_32924274.1065723309545-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 19:31:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:31:13 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery References: <84.1a65eeba.2cb6ff0d@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c601c38e93$84c5d440$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38E9B.E657E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has any buddy been shoot in the eye in ragia combat? Hi Micah, Yes, it has happened, but fortunately nothing too terrible happened as a = result. Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38E9B.E657E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 has any buddy been shoot in the eye in ragia=20 combat?
Hi Micah,
Yes, it has happened, but fortunately = nothing too=20 terrible happened as a result.
Hazel 
------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C38E9B.E657E1A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 19:57:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:57:37 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery Message-ID: <40.3562da97.2cb709a1@aol.com> --part1_40.3562da97.2cb709a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit realy you would think a arrow in the eye would do some damage in PVC combat we dont like that considering that most of us have moms and dads that what they kids doing safe thing lol sad thing not to many pepole like hitting each other with swords micah aka snorri oh ya and head member of PVC combat --part1_40.3562da97.2cb709a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable realy you would think a arrow in the eye would do some= damage in PVC combat we dont like that considering that most of us have mom= s and dads that what they kids doing safe thing lol sad thing not to many pe= pole like hitting each other with swords
micah aka snorri oh ya and head member of PVC combat
--part1_40.3562da97.2cb709a1_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 20:23:53 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jon Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:23:53 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery In-Reply-To: <00c601c38e93$84c5d440$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C38EA3.41BF10C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :o$ Me :o$ and no it wasn't that bad... then again I've also taken spear in the chin, sword in the knee cap, caldron to the head, mace to the head (x3), sword to the face, seax to the nose, sword to the elbow and groin shots (xlots).... So I don't think it did too much damage - I mean - I still let people shoot at me :) Jon -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of Hazel Uzzell Sent: 09 October 2003 19:31 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery has any buddy been shoot in the eye in ragia combat? Hi Micah, Yes, it has happened, but fortunately nothing too terrible happened as a result. Hazel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C38EA3.41BF10C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
:o$
 
Me=20 :o$
 
and = no it wasn't=20 that bad... then again I've also taken spear in the chin, sword in the = knee cap,=20 caldron to the head, mace to the head (x3), sword to the face, seax to = the nose,=20 sword to the elbow and groin shots (xlots)....
 
So = I don't think=20 it did too much damage - I mean - I still let people shoot at me=20 :)
 
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: = list-regia-na-admin@lig.net=20 [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of Hazel=20 Uzzell
Sent: 09 October 2003 19:31
To:=20 list-regia-na@lig.net
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned -=20 archery

 has any buddy been shoot in the eye in = ragia=20 combat?
Hi Micah,
Yes, it has happened, but fortunately = nothing too=20 terrible happened as a result.
Hazel 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C38EA3.41BF10C0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 20:27:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (John Shulver) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn References: Message-ID: <001401c38e9b$7fb2b880$8f6cfea9@shulver> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C38EA3.D4C37AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working and Decorating HornWe have found that a dentists drill bit = mounted on a dremel drill (small craft power drill) is excellent for = decorating horns with. It smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about = dentists it's a bit grim! Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine = wet and dry paper to take off the roughness and fill the pattern in = using beeswax coloured with ash. As for the insides, as long as the marrowbone has been fully removed = (the best way to remove this is to bury the horn for 6 months - let the = bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a couple of baby bottle = sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours - then it's = ready for whatever drink you wish to fill it with. As for designs, I have used designs from illuminated manuscripts, rune = stones and carvings. There is also evidence of metal adornment called horn mounts which = surrounded the top (open) end of the horn as well as ends. Examples are = those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, trewhiddle in cornwall and taplow = in berkshire. There are people who make said decorations. If you want any more help, just ask! Regards John the Train ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Fuchs=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn? I have a = small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style = drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / = buckles / belt tips - mounts etc. However, I have no experience working = or tooling it. I would also appreciate any information on how these = types of items were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when = not in use, and how should the inside of the drinking horn be finished = for use. Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in = its' natural state, say after a bit of sanitizing then curing with your = drink of choice? All information is greatly appreciated. Carrek=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C38EA3.D4C37AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working and Decorating Horn
We have found that a dentists drill bit = mounted on=20 a dremel drill (small craft power drill) is excellent for decorating = horns=20 with.  It smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about dentists it's = a bit=20 grim!  Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine wet and dry = paper to=20 take off the roughness and fill the pattern in using beeswax coloured = with=20 ash.
 
As for the insides, as long as the = marrowbone has=20 been fully removed (the best way to remove this is to bury the horn for = 6 months=20 - let the bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a couple of baby = bottle=20 sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours - then it's = ready for=20 whatever drink you wish to fill it with.
 
As for designs, I have used designs = from=20 illuminated manuscripts, rune stones and carvings.
 
There is also evidence of metal = adornment called=20 horn mounts which surrounded the top (open) end of the horn as well as=20 ends.  Examples are those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, = trewhiddle in=20 cornwall and taplow in berkshire.  There are people who make said=20 decorations.
 
If you want any more help, just = ask!
 
Regards
 
John the Train
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Fuchs
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Sent: Thursday, October 09, = 2003 6:15=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and = Decorating Horn

Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn?  I = have a=20 small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style = drinking=20 horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / buckles / = belt=20 tips - mounts etc.  However, I have no experience working or = tooling=20 it.  I would also appreciate any information on how these types = of items=20 were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when not in use, = and how=20 should the inside of the drinking horn be finished for use.  Does = it need=20 a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in its' natural state, say = after a=20 bit of sanitizing then curing with your drink of choice?  All = information=20 is greatly appreciated.

Carrek =

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C38EA3.D4C37AA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 20:29:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:29:33 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery Message-ID: <162.26ab40bc.2cb7111d@aol.com> --part1_162.26ab40bc.2cb7111d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jon ooch that sounds like that was funany boke bone combat micah aka snorri --part1_162.26ab40bc.2cb7111d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jon ooch that sounds like that was funany boke bone co= mbat
micah aka snorri
--part1_162.26ab40bc.2cb7111d_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 20:55:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:55:26 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re-assigned - archery References: Message-ID: <002401c38e9f$4eacd640$e9278751@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38EA7.AA93C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...And this from the man (one of many!) who at least has the = sense to duck when approached by the Ladle Battallion... :-) Hrolf the dent-headed :o$ Me :o$ and no it wasn't that bad... then again I've also taken spear in the = chin, sword in the knee cap, caldron to the head, mace to the head (x3), = sword to the face, seax to the nose, sword to the elbow and groin shots = (xlots).... So I don't think it did too much damage - I mean - I still let people = shoot at me :) Jon ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38EA7.AA93C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        = ...And this=20 from the man (one of many!) who at least has the sense to duck when = approached=20 by the Ladle Battallion...  :-)
 
Hrolf the dent-headed
:o$
 
Me=20 :o$
 
and no it=20 wasn't that bad... then again I've also taken spear in the chin, sword = in the=20 knee cap, caldron to the head, mace to the head (x3), sword to the = face, seax=20 to the nose, sword to the elbow and groin shots=20 (xlots)....
 
So I don't=20 think it did too much damage - I mean - I still let people shoot at me = :)
 
Jon
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C38EA7.AA93C740-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 22:43:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Mark Patchett) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) References: Message-ID: <3F85D693.85A556F1@sybase.com> Hi Brian, I'd agree with Andy -- it's great fun. For my background -- I've been fighting in the SCA for about 12 years, which does full contact combat with blunt rattan ( 1.25" diameter) swords. I was surprised by how "quick" regia combat moves - I was expecting that things would have needed to be slowed down a lot to remain safe with metal swords and no required armour, but have been pleasantly surprised. There's a certain thrill and feeling of risk when you're out there in an open faced helmet ( or no helmet ) having people swinging swords and spears at you. I've been fighting in Regia for a little over a year now, and attended the Shrewsbury training weekend in April last year. We fought a variety of combat scenarios -- line fights, "bridge" battles, lots of fun fighting in the woods, including up the side of a rather steep hill. A lot of "success" in melee combat relies on teamwork -- a well armoured man with a shield is fairly safe against one opponent, but can be beaten rapidly by a well organized team that can outflank or out manouver him. Generally new people begin by learning how to fight with a spear and shield ( probably over half of those on the field at Shewsbury used a spear (2 handed) with a shield slung over their shoulder, and a small seax as a backup weapon. Sword was probably the next most common weapon we saw, with a fair number of one handed axes, and a few danish axes. Spears used in one hand are less common, as it is a more dangerous and harder style to master. I'll be happy to answer any more questions you may have. -Mark Patchett / Edward of Wynmerestow, Ontario, Canada "Nicholson, Andrew" wrote: > >I would mainly like to focus on the > > vikings. I know this is not the right question to ask > > to get started, but its an itch that needs to be > > scratched. Has anyone here been in the RA combat? and > > what is it like? > > > > It's so much fun that I still enjoy doing it after 17 years :). > > No two battles are ever the same, and the competative element really > provides incentive - not just to fight well, but to support your comrades. > > Since we used rebated steel we do ensure that blows are not landed > full-weight, but pulled at the last moment. It is a fine art to make a blow > go in fast enough to get through the enemy's guard (and look believable to > the public) but be able to brake it enough for it to land no harder than a > light slap, which is the required weight of blow. > > Choice of weapons and the deployment of assets can also make a tremendous > difference between a good hard fight and a massacre. The best, well-armoured > warrior is still going to have trouble if two or three spearmen gang up on > him, and can circle round his shield. > > Some weapons, such as the dane-axe, require special combat rules as it is > not possible to use them the way they were intended in a 'safe' fashion. > > For a newcomer's views I'd ask Mark and Chris to chip in, since they came to > Shrewsbury and plunged straight into it. > > Guðrum From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 23:15:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) References: <3F85D693.85A556F1@sybase.com> Message-ID: <001001c38eb2$dcdd4f40$129b08d8@boatanchor> I will agree with what Mark has to say. Regia combat is suprisingly fast. I have no background with SCA combat, but years of Bayonette fighting, both as a student and as an instructor while I was in the Army, have given me a good set of skills to fall back on. The real trick, as Andy put it, is to get your shot in fast enough to beat out his defences and impress an audience, and sill land it soft. Takes some practice, and if you are affraid of the occasional bruise you might need to re-think combat as a hobby. At Pim Hill this year someone shot at my shield but their sword skipped off the boss of shield and clipped me under the chin. No damage, but I thought my head was going to fall off. Hurt like hell. I don't know who did it, but I am 100% sure it was a total accident. Chris From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 23:39:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Biloxi - November Message-ID: <20031009223913.MSRH5790.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Bill, Early or mid November would be great! Baton Rouge isn't too far from there and I'd love to come. Contact me off list and let me know of the details. You can email me at EML862@cox.net or call me at 225-242-8682 anytime after 6 PM. Eric From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 06:50:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brian Caruso) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Greetings In-Reply-To: <25174820.1065703330053.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <20031010055029.10573.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> Bill, Just your own personal view of what its like. Brian --- VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Brian, > Welcome to the list. I've done Regia combat. What > perspective of "what is it like" do you want? We > fight with blunt steel, using a system of judged > killing shots based on armor (or lack of) worn. > Except for some show scenes, fighting is not > choreographed. During a show, fights are most > likely going to be warriors enmasse. But after the > main show, for those warriors still with the energy, > we do "circle" fights, where individual skill tends > to be more emphasized. > Bill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 07:07:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brian Caruso) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: <3F85D693.85A556F1@sybase.com> Message-ID: <20031010060741.42041.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, I tried to get together with the local SCA Barony out here in So.Cal. None of the people I contacted seemed interest in who I was and wanted to do. I finally was able to contact the guy running the Fighter practice(and he was like all the others). So I went and it ended up just me by my self in this guys backyard practicing hits on a pole( which is not bad for practice, but I could have done that at home ). It really turned me off to the SCA. Although that was a couple years ago, and I heard they have a bunch of new people running the Barony now so I might give it a try again. As for training for Regia combat( seeing as I can't get to England to often) Are their any moves one can practice at home to prepare for an event? I know you have to go through their training before you can fight, but is their anything one can do at home to help? I know I should not be thinking about combat when I don't even have the clothing yet. So my next question would have to be...what materials do I need to get some clothing together? Brian P.S. thanks to eveyone who answered my "what is the combat like question" --- Mark Patchett wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I'd agree with Andy -- it's great fun. > > For my background -- I've been fighting in the SCA > for about 12 years, which > does full contact combat with blunt rattan ( 1.25" > diameter) swords. > > I was surprised by how "quick" regia combat moves - > I was expecting that things > would have needed to be slowed down a lot to remain > safe with metal swords and > no required armour, but have been pleasantly > surprised. > There's a certain thrill and feeling of risk when > you're out there in an open > faced helmet ( or no helmet ) having people swinging > swords and spears at you. > > I've been fighting in Regia for a little over a year > now, and attended the > Shrewsbury training weekend in April last year. > We fought a variety of combat scenarios -- line > fights, "bridge" battles, lots > of fun fighting in the woods, including up the side > of a rather steep hill. > > A lot of "success" in melee combat relies on > teamwork -- a well armoured man > with a shield is fairly safe against one opponent, > but can be beaten rapidly by > a well organized team that can outflank or out > manouver him. > > Generally new people begin by learning how to fight > with a spear and shield ( > probably over half of those on the field at > Shewsbury used a spear (2 handed) > with a shield slung over their shoulder, and a small > seax as a backup weapon. > Sword was probably the next most common weapon we > saw, with a fair number of one > handed axes, and a few danish axes. Spears used in > one hand are less common, as > it is a more dangerous and harder style to master. > > I'll be happy to answer any more questions you may > have. > -Mark Patchett / Edward of Wynmerestow, Ontario, > Canada > > "Nicholson, Andrew" wrote: > > > >I would mainly like to focus on the > > > vikings. I know this is not the right question > to ask > > > to get started, but its an itch that needs to be > > > scratched. Has anyone here been in the RA > combat? and > > > what is it like? > > > > > > > It's so much fun that I still enjoy doing it after > 17 years :). > > > > No two battles are ever the same, and the > competative element really > > provides incentive - not just to fight well, but > to support your comrades. > > > > Since we used rebated steel we do ensure that > blows are not landed > > full-weight, but pulled at the last moment. It is > a fine art to make a blow > > go in fast enough to get through the enemy's guard > (and look believable to > > the public) but be able to brake it enough for it > to land no harder than a > > light slap, which is the required weight of blow. > > > > Choice of weapons and the deployment of assets can > also make a tremendous > > difference between a good hard fight and a > massacre. The best, well-armoured > > warrior is still going to have trouble if two or > three spearmen gang up on > > him, and can circle round his shield. > > > > Some weapons, such as the dane-axe, require > special combat rules as it is > > not possible to use them the way they were > intended in a 'safe' fashion. > > > > For a newcomer's views I'd ask Mark and Chris to > chip in, since they came to > > Shrewsbury and plunged straight into it. > > > > Guðrum > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 08:34:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (guthrum) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:34:17 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> <004501c38e81$a169b290$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <009e01c38f00$ea151cd0$e2d2403e@sandstor86vjb8> I'd be inclined to agree with you. Out of all of them the bottom one is probably best. Liking reds is fine, but until you reach the ranks of the upper nobility or royalty you have to be very careful as to which sort of reds you use. Guthrum the Jarl would love a pair of trousers in the second one down; Guthrum Furnace-maker wouldn't even be allowed to splash mud on it :). Guthrum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Boulton" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] tents again > > I got the second one down. I just love red. > > No. If any, the bottom one. Guthrum? What do you think? > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 08:35:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:35:50 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: <21570C3D.03126DE3.D3176DFB@netscape.net> What are you going to use wing bones for? VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: >I would have loved to have had those wing bones!  (that was you that took the shot?  I thought it was Dave Cartmel) >Bill __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 09:07:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:07:02 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: Flutes of course!=20 Gu=F0rum >=20 > What are you going to use wing bones for? >=20 =20 > >I would have loved to have had those wing bones! =A0(that was=20 > you that took the shot? =A0I thought it was Dave Cartmel) >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your=20 > free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?pro mo=3D393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=3D380455 _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 09:06:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Kimberly Karn) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again In-Reply-To: <009e01c38f00$ea151cd0$e2d2403e@sandstor86vjb8> References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> <004501c38e81$a169b290$1b5e6451@duron800> <009e01c38f00$ea151cd0$e2d2403e@sandstor86vjb8> Message-ID: <3F851719.5080808@ka9q.net> guthrum wrote: > I'd be inclined to agree with you. Out of all of them the bottom one is > probably best. Liking reds is fine, but until you reach the ranks of the > upper nobility or royalty you have to be very careful as to which sort of > reds you use. Guthrum the Jarl would love a pair of trousers in the second > one down; Guthrum Furnace-maker wouldn't even be allowed to splash mud on it > :). > > Guthrum. Trust me you do not want trousers made from jute. It's like wearing a scouring pad. if you ever thought wool was scratchy. It feels like silk next to jute. One good thing is it is weather proof and wears forever. BTW I bought the red for bags for some SCA stuff. Not for Regia. However I like the fabric and am thinking it would make a tent that I might have to will to my grandchildren. Assuming I ever have a kid. K From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 09:08:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Kimberly Karn) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again In-Reply-To: <009e01c38f00$ea151cd0$e2d2403e@sandstor86vjb8> References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> <004501c38e81$a169b290$1b5e6451@duron800> <009e01c38f00$ea151cd0$e2d2403e@sandstor86vjb8> Message-ID: <3F85178C.3080704@ka9q.net> guthrum wrote: > I'd be inclined to agree with you. Out of all of them the bottom one is > probably best. Liking reds is fine, but until you reach the ranks of the > upper nobility or royalty you have to be very careful as to which sort of > reds you use. Guthrum the Jarl would love a pair of trousers in the second > one down; Guthrum Furnace-maker wouldn't even be allowed to splash mud on it > :). BTW what is wrong with the blue and tan one? I understand what makes the red one so not lower to middle class. But Why the Green one. Inquiring minds etc... K From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 10:47:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 5:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Hi all Message-ID: <20031010094727.YFNH12329.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> A hearty welcome Ben - from postings from Katja there may be some misconceptions regards our time period and starting a Regia group. >From the info i have your time period (AD1100) is within our scope and George Johnson will be able to send you the attachment regards starting a Regia group in North America. Again, a hearty welcome and please ask any questions and become familiar with us all. All the best Martin Field -N.A Memberships > > From: Ishido > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 01:03:57 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: [Regia-NA] Hi all > > Greetings all > > I am a new member to Regia, but have been a member of > Re-enactment/ living history groups for a while now. I > got started in the SCA (in a group near George > Johnson) in '86. I moved to VT about 7 years ago and > landed in another SCA group with several folks present > that would fit right into the Regia mindset... I was > introduced to Regia by George and a few other old > friends at Pennsic, and that planted the seed. > > My wife and I have have recently sent our memberships > and are looking forward to the documentation/kit > specs. book. > > Here in Northern VT, like-minded folks have started to > design ourselves a local group based around Rhuddlan > (a village in N. Wales) in the year 1070. Some of us > are experienced spinners and weavers from prior SCA > projects, others are equestrians, and some of us have > done steel fighting for public displays. It has been > fun so far... > > Robert/ Ben Pyles > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 15:28:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:28:26 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again References: <20030929181058.81726.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <005f01c386d5$e02ff060$497a7ad5@m1w9d8> <3F842F15.2060600@ka9q.net> Message-ID: While that fabric looks pretty cool, and the patterns are certainly appropriate, I'd be hesitant to use anything for a tent (major undertaking and expense) that you can't be sure to make waterproof. Unless you just want a sun-shade. The benefit of using cotton canvas over other fabrics is that it has been deemed a necessary evil. So you know you'll be able to use it at events. --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: ZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQ To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] tents again > Having bought a french bell wedge from panther primatives I am loathe to > invest in another tent as of right now but I just picked up some jute > fabric in a herringbone weave for some bags. It was 2.99 a yard and a > nice tight weave as well as a good weight. At that price I can afford to > get a few more bolts. I was wondering what would be wrong with a tent > made of this fabric. > I got the second one down. I just love red. > http://www.jamesthompson.com/zoom.php?SampleName=Burlap_Plaids > I know jute comes from India. I understand that the fiber prolly would > not be used in that part of europe in our period, but cotton would have > been just as scarce. Jute stands up to the weather fairly well. > Can I just get a bit of feedback before I plunge into this investment. > I was thinking Geteld btw > Kimberly > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 15:57:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Greetings Message-ID: <26332714.1065797838126.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_6090_13178174.1065797838123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, Fighting in Regia has been my best experience in reenactment fighting. It = feels right, looks right, and we have done actual battles, like the Battle = of Ringmere Pit, Hastings, etc. I don't think I have ever been in a fight = that I didn't enjoy, whether my side won or lost. There is also, for me, a= joy that comes through with the fighting...the comraderie that I feel with= my shieldmates AND with the other side just can't be described. I know th= at the guy who I just speared will probably be exchanging a beer with me la= ter that night. That joy is also fuelled by the perspective of the doing/l= ooking right. I have never been the best warrior on the field by far, but = I can say that I don't get discouraged just because I get killed. For some= time I had been burned out on SCA-style combat, but Regia revived that and = I haven't looked back since (I've had to take a break for the last year due= to a herniated disc, but I'm dying to get back into a good scrap). At fir= st, I was a bit concerned over safety, having come from an SCA background..= .and that was personal and for my opponent. Having an open face helmet can= be a bit disconcerting at first, but you do get over that as you get more = familiar with combat. In my five years of fighting, I haven't had anything= more severe than bruises, and have only seen a few cuts on others. On the= other side of safety, I worried that I was going to clean someone's clock = having come from a 15-year SCA full-contact fighting training. That too wa= s overcome by just being aware of what was going on in front of you and eas= ing back on the aggressiveness. After you get certified to use the weapon,= you can bring back being aggressive as you get more experience. I don't feel that I really have done justice to Regia combat. There is an = almost untangible, dare I say magical, aspect to it. Maybe all these persp= ectives have given you an answer. Please ask for more clarification if nee= d be. Bill Message date : Oct 10 2003, 06:54 AM=20 >From : Brian Caruso=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Greetings=20 Bill,=20 Just your own personal view of what its like.=20 Brian=20 --- VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote:=20 > Brian,=20 > Welcome to the list. I've done Regia combat. What=20 > perspective of "what is it like" do you want? We=20 > fight with blunt steel, using a system of judged=20 > killing shots based on armor (or lack of) worn.=20 > Except for some show scenes, fighting is not=20 > choreographed. During a show, fights are most=20 > likely going to be warriors enmasse. But after the=20 > main show, for those warriors still with the energy,=20 > we do "circle" fights, where individual skill tends=20 > to be more emphasized.=20 > Bill=20 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 The New Yahoo! 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Brian,

Fighting in Regia has been my best experience in reenactment fighting.&n= bsp; It feels right, looks right, and we have done actual battles, like the= Battle of Ringmere Pit, Hastings, etc.  I don't think I have ever bee= n in a fight that I didn't enjoy, whether my side won or lost.  There = is also, for me, a joy that comes through with the fighting...the comraderi= e that I feel with my shieldmates AND with the other side just can't be des= cribed.  I know that the guy who I just speared will probably be excha= nging a beer with me later that night.  That joy is also fuelled by th= e perspective of the doing/looking right.  I have never been the best = warrior on the field by far, but I can say that I don't get discouraged jus= t because I get killed.  For sometime I had been burned out on SCA-sty= le combat, but Regia revived that and I haven't looked back since (I've had= to take a break for the last year due to a herniated disc, but I'm dying t= o get back into a good scrap).  At first, I was a bit concerned over s= afety, having come from an SCA background...and that was personal and for m= y opponent.  Having an open face helmet can be a bit disconcerting at = first, but you do get over that as you get more familiar with combat. = In my five years of fighting, I haven't had anything more severe than brui= ses, and have only seen a few cuts on others.  On the other side of sa= fety, I worried that I was going to clean someone's clock having come from = a 15-year SCA full-contact fighting training.  That too was overcome b= y just being aware of what was going on in front of you and easing back on = the aggressiveness.  After you get certified to use the weapon, you ca= n bring back being aggressive as you get more experience.

I don't feel that I really have done justice to Regia combat.  Ther= e is an almost untangible, dare I say magical, aspect to it.  Maybe al= l these perspectives have given you an answer.  Please ask for more cl= arification if need be.

Bill



Message date : Oct 10 2003, 06:54 AM
From : Brian Caruso=
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subj= ect : Re: [Regia-NA] Greetings
Bill,
Just your own personal view of= what its like.

Brian
--- VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote= :
> Brian,
> Welcome to the list. I've done Regia combat. Wha= t
> perspective of "what is it like" do you want? We
> fight = with blunt steel, using a system of judged
> killing shots based on = armor (or lack of) worn.
> Except for some show scenes, fighting is = not
> choreographed. During a show, fights are most
> likely = going to be warriors enmasse. But after the
> main show, for those w= arriors still with the energy,
> we do "circle" fights, where indivi= dual skill tends
> to be more emphasized.
> Bill


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------=_Part_6090_13178174.1065797838123-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 16:00:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: <884440.1065798009931.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_6121_4438173.1065798009927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wing bones from large birds make great whistles! Bill Message date : Oct 10 2003, 08:36 AM >From : Eileen Young To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton What are you going to use wing bones for? VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: >I would have loved to have had those wing bones! (that was you that took the shot? I thought it was Dave Cartmel) >Bill __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_6121_4438173.1065798009927 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Wing bones from large birds make great whistles! 

Bill


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What are you going to = use wing bones for?


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>Bill

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------=_Part_6121_4438173.1065798009927-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 05:29:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Guthrum Message-ID: <037801c38fb0$426f6ac0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Guthrum, would you please give me a holler? Yrs, Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne Hælendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda woruld. Amen. "Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world without end, Amen. " From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 19:04:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:04:02 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton References: <16758344.1065722287674.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Message-ID: <000d01c38f58$e671d660$1b5e6451@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C38F61.44EC4380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I would have loved to have had those wing bones! (that was you that = took the shot? I thought it was Dave Cartmel) Don't know if Dave had a shot at them as well - I certainly did though. = Hmm...a torsion balista shooting a bundle of 4 dozen arrows...mounted on = a swivel ...well - maybe not. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C38F61.44EC4380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I would have loved to have had those wing bones!  (that = was you=20 that took the shot?  I thought it was Dave Cartmel)
 
Don't know if Dave had a shot at them = as well - I=20 certainly did though. Hmm...a torsion balista shooting a bundle of 4 = dozen=20 arrows...mounted on a swivel ...well - maybe not.
 
Chris.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C38F61.44EC4380-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 20:05:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:05:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: <6351958.1065812703897.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_8578_8485314.1065812703894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe you could get John to build you one! :o) Bill ------=_Part_8578_8485314.1065812703894 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe you could get John to build you one!  :o)

Bill

------=_Part_8578_8485314.1065812703894-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 20:49:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: It's Widfaran that you're thinking of, Bill, and their webpage is no longer available. :( On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST) > >There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing. >I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I think they >are primarily based in the Netherlands. >Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 20:52:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:52:21 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: Brian: If you can make it to the Fort MacArthur living history event in Los Angles next July, you'll find some worthies that you can practice on! On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: Brian Caruso >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:07:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Mark, > >I tried to get together with the local SCA Barony out >here in So.Cal. None of the people I contacted seemed >interest in who I was and wanted to do. I finally was >able to contact the guy running the Fighter >practice(and he was like all the others). So I went >and it ended up just me by my self in this guys >backyard practicing hits on a pole( which is not bad >for practice, but I could have done that at home ). It >really turned me off to the SCA. Although that was a >couple years ago, and I heard they have a bunch of new >people running the Barony now so I might give it a try >again. > >As for training for Regia combat( seeing as I can't >get to England to often) Are their any moves one can >practice at home to prepare for an event? I know you >have to go through their training before you can >fight, but is their anything one can do at home to >help? > >I know I should not be thinking about combat when I >don't even have the clothing yet. So my next question >would have to be...what materials do I need to get >some clothing together? > >Brian >P.S. thanks to eveyone who answered my "what is the >combat like question" > >--- Mark Patchett wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > > I'd agree with Andy -- it's great fun. > > > > For my background -- I've been fighting in the SCA > > for about 12 years, which > > does full contact combat with blunt rattan ( 1.25" > > diameter) swords. > > > > I was surprised by how "quick" regia combat moves - > > I was expecting that things > > would have needed to be slowed down a lot to remain > > safe with metal swords and > > no required armour, but have been pleasantly > > surprised. > > There's a certain thrill and feeling of risk when > > you're out there in an open > > faced helmet ( or no helmet ) having people swinging > > swords and spears at you. > > > > I've been fighting in Regia for a little over a year > > now, and attended the > > Shrewsbury training weekend in April last year. > > We fought a variety of combat scenarios -- line > > fights, "bridge" battles, lots > > of fun fighting in the woods, including up the side > > of a rather steep hill. > > > > A lot of "success" in melee combat relies on > > teamwork -- a well armoured man > > with a shield is fairly safe against one opponent, > > but can be beaten rapidly by > > a well organized team that can outflank or out > > manouver him. > > > > Generally new people begin by learning how to fight > > with a spear and shield ( > > probably over half of those on the field at > > Shewsbury used a spear (2 handed) > > with a shield slung over their shoulder, and a small > > seax as a backup weapon. > > Sword was probably the next most common weapon we > > saw, with a fair number of one > > handed axes, and a few danish axes. Spears used in > > one hand are less common, as > > it is a more dangerous and harder style to master. > > > > I'll be happy to answer any more questions you may > > have. > > -Mark Patchett / Edward of Wynmerestow, Ontario, > > Canada > > > > "Nicholson, Andrew" wrote: > > > > > >I would mainly like to focus on the > > > > vikings. I know this is not the right question > > to ask > > > > to get started, but its an itch that needs to be > > > > scratched. Has anyone here been in the RA > > combat? and > > > > what is it like? > > > > > > > > > > It's so much fun that I still enjoy doing it after > > 17 years :). > > > > > > No two battles are ever the same, and the > > competative element really > > > provides incentive - not just to fight well, but > > to support your comrades. > > > > > > Since we used rebated steel we do ensure that > > blows are not landed > > > full-weight, but pulled at the last moment. It is > > a fine art to make a blow > > > go in fast enough to get through the enemy's guard > > (and look believable to > > > the public) but be able to brake it enough for it > > to land no harder than a > > > light slap, which is the required weight of blow. > > > > > > Choice of weapons and the deployment of assets can > > also make a tremendous > > > difference between a good hard fight and a > > massacre. The best, well-armoured > > > warrior is still going to have trouble if two or > > three spearmen gang up on > > > him, and can circle round his shield. > > > > > > Some weapons, such as the dane-axe, require > > special combat rules as it is > > > not possible to use them the way they were > > intended in a 'safe' fashion. > > > > > > For a newcomer's views I'd ask Mark and Chris to > > chip in, since they came to > > > Shrewsbury and plunged straight into it. > > > > > > Guðrum > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 10 21:18:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:18:37 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton References: <6351958.1065812703897.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <001901c38f6b$b029fc00$1b5e6451@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C38F74.11CFDF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Maybe you could get John to build you one! =20 >Bill John Lane? Saw him at Thetford a week or three back, complete with a cut = down version of one of his trebuchets. Much fun was had intercepting = water filled ballistic balloons - I managed to head one, not at all = unpleasant on such a hot day. The self destruction of a trebuchet can be fun to watch, but the = disadvantage of torsion ballistas is that when they decide to self = destruct, bits of ballista have a tendancy to become very nasty missiles = in their own right.=20 Which is one of the reasons why I've resisted the temptation to = experiment with them thus far. Still - never say never. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C38F74.11CFDF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Maybe you could get John to build you one! 
>Bill
 
John Lane? Saw him at Thetford a week = or three=20 back, complete with a cut down version of one of his trebuchets. Much = fun was=20 had intercepting water filled ballistic balloons - I managed to = head one,=20 not at all unpleasant on such a hot day.
 
The self destruction of a trebuchet can = be fun to=20 watch, but the disadvantage of torsion ballistas is that when they = decide to=20 self destruct, bits of ballista have a tendancy to become very nasty = missiles in=20 their own right.
 
Which is one of the reasons why I've = resisted the=20 temptation to experiment with them thus far.
 
Still - never say never.
 
Chris.
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C38F74.11CFDF80-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 01:19:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:19:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits Message-ID: <29623436.1065831559441.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_9613_30489638.1065831559439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's it! Thanks. I can't believe that there webpage is gone. Chris, do= you know if Nigel said anything about their becoming defunct? (has he flo= wn off to NZ yet...and do you have a contact address?) Bill Message date : Oct 10 2003, 08:50 PM=20 >From : Douglas Sunlin=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits=20 It's Widfaran that you're thinking of, Bill, and their webpage is no longer= =20 available. :(=20 On manr=E6den,=20 Osweald of Baldurstrand=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20 http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20 >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20 >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits=20 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST)=20 >=20 >There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing.= =20 >I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I think the= y=20 >are primarily based in the Netherlands.=20 >Bill=20 _________________________________________________________________=20 Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage.=20 http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_9613_30489638.1065831559439 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's it!  Thanks.  I can't believe that there webpage is gon= e.  Chris, do you know if Nigel said anything about their becoming def= unct?  (has he flown off to NZ yet...and do you have a contact address= ?)

Bill



Message date : Oct 10 2003, 08:50 PM
From : Douglas Sunl= in
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Su= bject : Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits
It's Wid= faran that you're thinking of, Bill, and their webpage is no longer
ava= ilable. :(



On manr=E6den,
Osweald of Baldurstrand
h= ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities= .com/baldurstrand/





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>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST)
>
>= There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing. <= BR>>I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I thi= nk they
>are primarily based in the Netherlands.
>Bill
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------=_Part_9613_30489638.1065831559439-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 01:21:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton Message-ID: <19506521.1065831699117.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_9618_7601667.1065831699115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (yep...John Lane) Isn't that just like the Missles Officer to worry about little things flying about in the air. :o) Bill Message date : Oct 10 2003, 09:20 PM >From : Chris Boulton To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton >Maybe you could get John to build you one! >Bill John Lane? Saw him at Thetford a week or three back, complete with a cut down version of one of his trebuchets. Much fun was had intercepting water filled ballistic balloons - I managed to head one, not at all unpleasant on such a hot day. The self destruction of a trebuchet can be fun to watch, but the disadvantage of torsion ballistas is that when they decide to self destruct, bits of ballista have a tendancy to become very nasty missiles in their own right. Which is one of the reasons why I've resisted the temptation to experiment with them thus far. Still - never say never. Chris. ------=_Part_9618_7601667.1065831699115 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

(yep...John Lane)  Isn't that just like the Missles Officer to worry about little things flying about in the air.  :o)

Bill



Message date : Oct 10 2003, 09:20 PM
From : Chris Boulton
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] OT- Geese at Fritton







>Maybe you could get John to build you one! 

>Bill

 

John Lane? Saw him at Thetford a week or three
back, complete with a cut down version of one of his trebuchets. Much fun was
had intercepting water filled ballistic balloons - I managed to head one,
not at all unpleasant on such a hot day.

 

The self destruction of a trebuchet can be fun to
watch, but the disadvantage of torsion ballistas is that when they decide to
self destruct, bits of ballista have a tendancy to become very nasty missiles in
their own right.

 

Which is one of the reasons why I've resisted the
temptation to experiment with them thus far.

 

Still - never say never.

 

Chris.

------=_Part_9618_7601667.1065831699115-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 05:54:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Mike Fuchs) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38FB3.CC04A21A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, =20 Thanks for your help, however, where do you get dentists drill bits? =20 =20 Carrek =20 -----Original Message----- From: John Shulver [mailto:john.shulver@virgin.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:28 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn =09 =09 We have found that a dentists drill bit mounted on a dremel drill (small craft power drill) is excellent for decorating horns with. It smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about dentists it's a bit grim! Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine wet and dry paper to take off the roughness and fill the pattern in using beeswax coloured with ash. =20 As for the insides, as long as the marrowbone has been fully removed (the best way to remove this is to bury the horn for 6 months - let the bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a couple of baby bottle sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours - then it's ready for whatever drink you wish to fill it with. =20 As for designs, I have used designs from illuminated manuscripts, rune stones and carvings. =20 There is also evidence of metal adornment called horn mounts which surrounded the top (open) end of the horn as well as ends. Examples are those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, trewhiddle in cornwall and taplow in berkshire. There are people who make said decorations. =20 If you want any more help, just ask! =20 Regards =20 John the Train =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Fuchs =20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn? I have a small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / buckles / belt tips - mounts etc. However, I have no experience working or tooling it. I would also appreciate any information on how these types of items were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when not in use, and how should the inside of the drinking horn be finished for use. Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in its' natural state, say after a bit of sanitizing then curing with your drink of choice? All information is greatly appreciated. Carrek=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38FB3.CC04A21A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
John,
 
Thanks=20 for your help, however, where do you get dentists drill=20 bits?
 
 
Carrek
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John = Shulver=20 [mailto:john.shulver@virgin.net]
Sent: Thursday, October = 09, 2003=20 2:28 PM
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Subject: Re: = [Regia-NA]=20 Working and Decorating Horn

We have found that a dentists drill = bit mounted=20 on a dremel drill (small craft power drill) is excellent for = decorating horns=20 with.  It smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about dentists = it's a bit=20 grim!  Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine wet and dry = paper to=20 take off the roughness and fill the pattern in using beeswax coloured = with=20 ash.
 
As for the insides, as long as the = marrowbone has=20 been fully removed (the best way to remove this is to bury the horn = for 6=20 months - let the bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a couple = of baby=20 bottle sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours - then = it's=20 ready for whatever drink you wish to fill it with.
 
As for designs, I have used designs = from=20 illuminated manuscripts, rune stones and carvings.
 
There is also evidence of metal = adornment called=20 horn mounts which surrounded the top (open) end of the horn as well as = ends.  Examples are those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, = trewhiddle in=20 cornwall and taplow in berkshire.  There are people who make said = decorations.
 
If you want any more help, just = ask!
 
Regards
 
John the Train
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Fuchs
Sent: Thursday, October 09, = 2003 6:15=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Working = and=20 Decorating Horn

Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn?  = I have a=20 small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style = drinking=20 horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / buckles = / belt=20 tips - mounts etc.  However, I have no experience working or = tooling=20 it.  I would also appreciate any information on how these types = of=20 items were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when not = in use,=20 and how should the inside of the drinking horn be finished for = use. =20 Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in its' = natural=20 state, say after a bit of sanitizing then curing with your drink of=20 choice?  All information is greatly = appreciated.

Carrek=20

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38FB3.CC04A21A-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 11:06:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:06:57 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits References: <29623436.1065831559441.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <003901c38fdf$6808ec00$1b5e6451@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C38FE7.C9A70750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >That's it! Thanks. I can't believe that there webpage is gone. = Chris, do you know if Nigel said anything about their >becoming defunct? = (has he flown off to NZ yet...and do you have a contact address?) >Bill He's not off 'till mid december - I'll ask him when I see him on = tuesday. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C38FE7.C9A70750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>That's it!  Thanks.  I can't believe that there = webpage is=20 gone.  Chris, do you know if Nigel said anything about their = >becoming=20 defunct?  (has he flown off to NZ yet...and do you have a contact=20 address?)
>Bill

He's not off 'till mid = december -=20 I'll ask him when I see him on tuesday.
 
Chris.
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C38FE7.C9A70750-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 11:21:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:21:18 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) References: <20031010060741.42041.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c38fe1$68b76990$1b5e6451@duron800> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Caruso" > As for training for Regia combat( seeing as I can't > get to England to often) Are their any moves one can > practice at home to prepare for an event? Well - spear training really needs to be done face to face, as it were, and you need to complete your spear training before moving on to other weapons really, but there is a method I used to enhance my sword control when I first started using a sword. I'd walk around the house waving it around - like in between the stair rails and chair legs and stuff like that, the aim being not to touch anything, but to make precise placements of the blade in the air at all sorts of odd angles. Then sometimes I'd go out in the garden and find a bush, and try to very lightly but quickly touch a leaf that was behind some closer foliage - to simulate getting around a shield - without touching anything but the target leaf or even damaging that. It did help, I found, to give me better control of the weapon and instil a sense of what I could attempt safely and what I couldn't. Quite what the neighbours thought I wouldn't like to say.... Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 22:03:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (John Shulver) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:03:09 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn References: Message-ID: <000e01c3903b$1e04b100$8f6cfea9@shulver> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39043.74F30CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageModel engineering shows and also their magazines. Otherwise you = could 'grit your teeth' and visit a dentist! Regards John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Fuchs=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:54 AM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn John, =20 Thanks for your help, however, where do you get dentists drill bits? =20 =20 Carrek =20 -----Original Message----- From: John Shulver [mailto:john.shulver@virgin.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:28 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn We have found that a dentists drill bit mounted on a dremel drill = (small craft power drill) is excellent for decorating horns with. It = smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about dentists it's a bit grim! = Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine wet and dry paper to take = off the roughness and fill the pattern in using beeswax coloured with = ash. As for the insides, as long as the marrowbone has been fully removed = (the best way to remove this is to bury the horn for 6 months - let the = bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a couple of baby bottle = sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours - then it's = ready for whatever drink you wish to fill it with. As for designs, I have used designs from illuminated manuscripts, = rune stones and carvings. There is also evidence of metal adornment called horn mounts which = surrounded the top (open) end of the horn as well as ends. Examples are = those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, trewhiddle in cornwall and taplow = in berkshire. There are people who make said decorations. If you want any more help, just ask! Regards John the Train ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Fuchs=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn Does anyone have experience or sources on working horn? I have a = small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking style = drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for buttons / = buckles / belt tips - mounts etc. However, I have no experience working = or tooling it. I would also appreciate any information on how these = types of items were decorated, how the drinking horns were carried when = not in use, and how should the inside of the drinking horn be finished = for use. Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or can it be used in = its' natural state, say after a bit of sanitizing then curing with your = drink of choice? All information is greatly appreciated. Carrek=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39043.74F30CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Model engineering shows and also their=20 magazines.  Otherwise you could 'grit your teeth' and visit a=20 dentist!
 
Regards
 
John
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Fuchs
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Sent: Saturday, October 11, = 2003 5:54=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Working = and=20 Decorating Horn

John,
 
Thanks for your help, however, where do you get dentists = drill=20 bits?
 
 
Carrek
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = John Shulver=20 [mailto:john.shulver@virgin.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:28 PM
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Sub= ject:=20 Re: [Regia-NA] Working and Decorating Horn

We have found that a dentists drill = bit mounted=20 on a dremel drill (small craft power drill) is excellent for = decorating=20 horns with.  It smellls a bit and if you're squeamish about = dentists=20 it's a bit grim!  Once you've carved your pattern on, use fine = wet and=20 dry paper to take off the roughness and fill the pattern in using = beeswax=20 coloured with ash.
 
As for the insides, as long as the = marrowbone=20 has been fully removed (the best way to remove this is to bury the = horn for=20 6 months - let the bugs do the work.) then all we do is whack a = couple of=20 baby bottle sterilizing tablets in some water and soak for 24 hours = - then=20 it's ready for whatever drink you wish to fill it with.
 
As for designs, I have used designs = from=20 illuminated manuscripts, rune stones and carvings.
 
There is also evidence of metal = adornment=20 called horn mounts which surrounded the top (open) end of the horn = as well=20 as ends.  Examples are those found at sutton hoo in suffolk, = trewhiddle=20 in cornwall and taplow in berkshire.  There are people who make = said=20 decorations.
 
If you want any more help, just=20 ask!
 
Regards
 
John the Train
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Mike = Fuchs=20
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Sent: Thursday, October 09, = 2003 6:15=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Working = and=20 Decorating Horn

Does anyone have experience or sources on working = horn?  I have=20 a small lot of cattle horn that I would like to use for Viking = style=20 drinking horns and a few horn tips that could be sliced for = buttons /=20 buckles / belt tips - mounts etc.  However, I have no = experience=20 working or tooling it.  I would also appreciate any = information on=20 how these types of items were decorated, how the drinking horns = were=20 carried when not in use, and how should the inside of the drinking = horn be=20 finished for use.  Does it need a beeswax or pitch lining or = can it=20 be used in its' natural state, say after a bit of sanitizing then = curing=20 with your drink of choice?  All information is greatly=20 appreciated.

Carrek=20

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39043.74F30CC0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 10:24:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] veil pins Message-ID: <001101c390a2$ac33bf40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> I have some lovely silver flower headed veil pins. However, they have a problem... they bend if you look at them! They will not stay in the veil, at all. Is there a way to stiffen up the shaft of the pin? Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 11 23:52:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:52:08 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] veil pins In-Reply-To: <001101c390a2$ac33bf40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: What grade silver (sterling,fine,?), how thick are the pin shanks, are they hammer-drawn (gradual taper) or smooth (round with a 'sharp' point at the end? Odds are that the pins are simple silver wire (as opposed to rod or cast), there isn't a huge amount you can do to silver to harden it either: heat and leave to cool slowly (typically innefective, not reccmended at all) or work harden (usually a better idea) light taps (ideally) with a polished hammer face on a polished surface. Sorry, probably not a lot of help. N. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of J Hill > Sent: 12 October 2003 10:25 > To: RegiaNA > Subject: [Regia-NA] veil pins > > > I have some lovely silver flower headed veil pins. However, they have a > problem... they bend if you look at them! They will not stay in the veil, > at all. > Is there a way to stiffen up the shaft of the pin? Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 12:42:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] veil pins References: Message-ID: <001301c390b5$f34a29b0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Oh, bummer. I think they are just drawn wire w/ a flat end, not sharpened. They are so delicate & pretty that I'd love to make them work......... You wouldn't want to try it, would you? Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "nathan" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] veil pins > What grade silver (sterling,fine,?), how thick are the pin shanks, are they > hammer-drawn (gradual taper) or smooth (round with a 'sharp' point at the end? > > Odds are that the pins are simple silver wire (as opposed to rod or cast), there > isn't a huge amount you can do to silver to harden it either: > heat and leave to cool slowly (typically innefective, not reccmended at all) or > work harden (usually a better idea) light taps (ideally) with a polished hammer > face on a polished surface. > > Sorry, probably not a lot of help. > N. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > > Behalf Of J Hill > > Sent: 12 October 2003 10:25 > > To: RegiaNA > > Subject: [Regia-NA] veil pins > > > > > > I have some lovely silver flower headed veil pins. However, they have a > > problem... they bend if you look at them! They will not stay in the veil, > > at all. > > Is there a way to stiffen up the shaft of the pin? Jennifer > > > > Jennifer Hill > > Ælfgifu > > Wes ðu hal. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 04:19:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:19:14 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Old English Message-ID: <0376C613.30D2D201.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Greetings, Is there an audio or video recording of someone speaking a few common phrases in OLd English. I am not looking for the reading of the poetry or epics. I am hoping for something like, "Hello, how are you? I am fine. How is the Lord/Lady today?" etc. And some of the things that would come up on an LHE, different foods, kitchen utensils, clothes, etc. Who oks names? Eileen __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 15:28:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:28:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Old English Message-ID: <23405483.1065968924990.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_1585_3425314.1065968924988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eileen, The only recordings I can think of would be the poetry readings. There are several websites that do offer some online courses... http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/OEsteps/intro.html http://lonestar.texas.net/~jebbo/learn-as/contents.htm http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/ballc/oe/old_english.html (hope I haven't repeated info that you probably already looked for) As far as I know, there isn't a formal approval process for names. But before deciding on a name, I would run it by an authenticity officer, or group leader. Bill Message date : Oct 12 2003, 04:20 AM >From : Eileen Young To : list-regia-na@lig.net, regia@yahoogroups.com Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Old English Greetings, Is there an audio or video recording of someone speaking a few common phrases in OLd English. I am not looking for the reading of the poetry or epics. I am hoping for something like, "Hello, how are you? I am fine. How is the Lord/Lady today?" etc. And some of the things that would come up on an LHE, different foods, kitchen utensils, clothes, etc. Who oks names? Eileen __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_1585_3425314.1065968924988 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Eileen,

The only recordings I can think of would be the poetry readings.  T= here are several websites that do offer some online courses...

http= ://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/OEsteps/intro.html

http://lon= estar.texas.net/~jebbo/learn-as/contents.htm

= http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/ballc/oe/old_english.html

(hope I haven't repeated info that you probably already looked for)

As far as I know, there isn't a formal approval process for names. = But before deciding on a name, I would run it by an authenticity officer, = or group leader.

Bill



Message date : Oct 12 2003, 04:20 AM
From : Eileen Young=
To : list-regia-na@lig.net, regia@yahoogro= ups.com
Copy to :
Subject : [Regia-NA] Old English
Greetings, <= BR>
Is there an audio or video recording of someone speaking a few commo= n phrases in OLd English. I am not looking for the reading of the poetry or= epics. I am hoping for something like, "Hello, how are you? I am fine. How= is the Lord/Lady today?" etc. And some of the things that would come up on= an LHE, different foods, kitchen utensils, clothes, etc.

Who oks n= ames?

Eileen

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------=_Part_1585_3425314.1065968924988-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 18:22:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Old English References: <0376C613.30D2D201.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001701c390e5$615dbeb0$789b08d8@boatanchor> Steve Pollington has written a beginner's course in OE. The series is called "First Steps in Old English" and I think it is published by Anglo Saxon Books or Sutton Publishing. There is also a corespondance course and audio cassette that accompany the textbook. I have the text book, and between that, Clark Hall's OE Dictionary and Pollington's Wordcraft, I can usually be fairly certain that I have the pronunciation right in most cases. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Young" To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Old English > Greetings, > > Is there an audio or video recording of someone speaking a few common phrases in OLd English. I am not looking for the reading of the poetry or epics. I am hoping for something like, "Hello, how are you? I am fine. How is the Lord/Lady today?" etc. And some of the things that would come up on an LHE, different foods, kitchen utensils, clothes, etc. > > Who oks names? > > Eileen > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 18:21:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:21:21 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Widfaran Message-ID: A google search still yields a number of Widfaran sites. Is anyone interested in a Widfaran yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/widfaran/ Osweald >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:19:19 +0200 (CEST) > >That's it! Thanks. I can't believe that there webpage is gone. Chris, do >you know if Nigel said anything about their becoming defunct? (has he >flown off to NZ yet...and do you have a contact address?) >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 10 2003, 08:50 PM >From : Douglas Sunlin >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits >It's Widfaran that you're thinking of, Bill, and their webpage is no longer >available. :( > > > >On manræden, >Osweald of Baldurstrand >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Cooking squirrels & hunting rabbits > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST) > > > >There is a group in Europe that does our period camping and trailblazing. > >I can't remember the name...it's something like Farviden...and I think >they > >are primarily based in the Netherlands. > >Bill > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. >http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 12 20:02:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:02:32 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OE characters for you e-mail or documents Message-ID: <001301c390f3$652e6d60$149b08d8@boatanchor> Old English and Old norse use a number of letter characters that are not on a modern keyboard, but are still included in most modern fonts. If, for example you want to type a thorn (þ) instead of a "th", all you have to do is hold down the alt key, and type 0254. When you let go, the character you want will appear. Try these: press alt_____ Æ - 0198 æ - 0230 Ð - 0208 ð - 0240 Þ - 0222 þ - 0254 Chris From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 13 18:00:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: <005d01c38fe1$68b76990$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: > > Quite what the neighbours thought I wouldn't like to say.... > > Chris. > Yes, but the point being that whatever your neighbors thought, they didn't actually say anything to the funny man swing a sword in the yard slaying invisible foes. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 13 22:01:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:01:58 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) References: Message-ID: <000901c391cd$3e5c85c0$1b5e6451@duron800> > Yes, but the point being that whatever your neighbors thought, they > didn't actually say anything to the funny man swing a sword in the yard > slaying invisible foes. It's all the dead fairies at the bottom of the garden isn't it? Dead giveaway.... Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 02:01:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: <000901c391cd$3e5c85c0$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: on 10/13/03 5:01 PM, Chris Boulton at chris.boulton@ntlworld.com wrote: >> Yes, but the point being that whatever your neighbors thought, they >> didn't actually say anything to the funny man swing a sword in the yard >> slaying invisible foes. > > It's all the dead fairies at the bottom of the garden isn't it? Dead > giveaway.... > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > That's "Alternative Lifestyle Sprit Beings". More seriously, did you swing steel or a wooden waster? I've noticed that the SCA folk do a lot of the same backhanded, around the armor moves. I haven't addressed SCA combat so I'm not sure if it's legal to knock an opponent on his flanks but that's just what seems appropriate when someone is off balance and reaching. So, what I'm gathering is that Regia combat is a lot like SCA combat without all the protective gear. Do the helms have face protection? If not, how do address head shots safely? From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 02:17:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: <9137154.1066094238172.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> ------=_Part_12484_17940695.1066094238169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, not really. In Regia combat, the blow is generally pulled and we use blunted steel. You are armored just the same as if you were in the Dark Ages. For helmets, other than the authentic nasal, no grills or such, although some people do wear camails (or is that aventail?). The only extra armoring that I know of is forearm protection (under tunic sleeves) and atheletic/box cups. Head shots are illegal for regular combat and are only used in choreographed fighting...then it has to be approved ahead of time and will be between experienced warriors who are qualified in a weapon. I'll withhold my comments about the wrap-around-the-head shot. :o) Bill More seriously, did you swing steel or a wooden waster? I've noticed that the SCA folk do a lot of the same backhanded, around the armor moves. I haven't addressed SCA combat so I'm not sure if it's legal to knock an opponent on his flanks but that's just what seems appropriate when someone is off balance and reaching. So, what I'm gathering is that Regia combat is a lot like SCA combat without all the protective gear. Do the helms have face protection? If not, how do address head shots safely? _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_12484_17940695.1066094238169 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Well, not really.  In Regia combat, the blow is generally pulled and we use blunted steel.   You are armored just the same as if you were in the Dark Ages.  For helmets, other than the authentic nasal, no grills or such, although some people do wear camails (or is that aventail?).  The only extra armoring that I know of is forearm protection (under tunic sleeves) and atheletic/box cups.  Head shots are illegal for regular combat and are only used in choreographed fighting...then it has to be approved ahead of time and will be between experienced warriors who are qualified in a weapon.  I'll withhold my comments about the wrap-around-the-head shot.  :o)

Bill


More seriously, did you swing steel or a wooden waster? I've noticed that
the SCA folk do a lot of the same backhanded, around the armor moves. I
haven't addressed SCA combat so I'm not sure if it's legal to knock an
opponent on his flanks but that's just what seems appropriate when someone
is off balance and reaching. So, what I'm gathering is that Regia combat is
a lot like SCA combat without all the protective gear. Do the helms have
face protection? If not, how do address head shots safely?

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------=_Part_12484_17940695.1066094238169-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 15:12:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] aprons Message-ID: <000701c3925d$343c80a0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> What sort of apron would one wear in camp? I was thinking of making one of wool, pinned to the gown... thus, avoiding going up in flames, I hope. Suggestions? Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 03:56:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: <9137154.1066094238172.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148930575_269602_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 10/13/03 9:17 PM, VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk at VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: Well, not really. In Regia combat, the blow is generally pulled and we use blunted steel. You are armored just the same as if you were in the Dark Ages. For helmets, other than the authentic nasal, no grills or such, although some people do wear camails (or is that aventail?). The only extra armoring that I know of is forearm protection (under tunic sleeves) and atheletic/box cups. Head shots are illegal for regular combat and are only used in choreographed fighting...then it has to be approved ahead of time and will be between experienced warriors who are qualified in a weapon. I'll withhold my comments about the wrap-around-the-head shot. :o) Well then I can see the difficulty in it all. Getting a blow to the body of a man with a sword and board quickly enough to get passed, on contact, but pulled just so as not to hurt, is a tall order. In the course I'm taking, we learn to cast, rather than pull. The object being to strike so that the inertia is tangent to the point of contact. When done right, this allows you to strike fast and hard without any significant force into the target. Still, all our exercises are choreographed so there is no contact to the body. Why withhold your comments on the wrap-around-the-head shot? I'll give you mine. I think it's a SCAdianism, The result of having any landed head shot count as a kill. Let me state clearly that I have only watched SCA combat. There may be more than meets the eye and rash words may be revisited with a thump. However, unless my perception of body mechanics is all wrong, it doesn't represent anything that makes sense in real combat. It always starts as a feint to the head as a left handed wrath. That draws the board up and right. Then the forearm is brought accross to the attackers right and twisted so it's a backhand blow to the back of the head. I've seen some to the buttocks. The only way to get power or speed on the blow is to twist the hips counter to the blow so there's something for the arm to rotate against. The attacker is rising and ends with all weight on the right foot standing very upright and very close. I'm betting the back of my head that a good left hand shove with the shield would send the attacker flying arse over tea kettle before the blow landed. The fact that no-one ever does leads me to believe it's against the rules to shove. My other observation is that no one ever goes for outright intimidation. Like hauling off and intentionally hitting the shield so hard that gentles three baronies over are startled. Doesn't harm the opponent but raises a shadow of self doubt that leads to hesitation. It's what American football players call "dotting the i" (of intimidation). The short of it is that SCA Heavy List appears to be it's own sport. It's a terrible paradox isn't it. The goal of combat was to kill and maim in any way possible. The goal of re-creationist combat is to not harm anyone in any way. But how to make it look, sound and feel real? With such divergent goals it's hard to follow any of the same "procedures" if you will. Like the axe. Great weapon, particularly for largish men. Just swing it hard. Even if the defender get's the shield up you'll likely just break his arm. There's no safe way to swing an axe at someone. There's to much "mass x velocity" going on. At any rate, It'll be fun to get into it. There'll be quite a bit of mental retraining on my part. That instinctive tendency to close the gap must be overcome. --MS_Mac_OE_3148930575_269602_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) on 10/13/03 9:17 PM, VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk at VIKING@inthedanelaw= .fsnet.co.uk wrote:


Well, not really.  In Regia combat, the blow is generally pulled and w= e use blunted steel.   You are armored just the same as if you wer= e in the Dark Ages.  For helmets, other than the authentic nasal, no gr= ills or such, although some people do wear camails (or is that aventail?). &= nbsp;The only extra armoring that I know of is forearm protection (under tun= ic sleeves) and atheletic/box cups.  Head shots are illegal for regular= combat and are only used in choreographed fighting...then it has to be appr= oved ahead of time and will be between experienced warriors who are qualifie= d in a weapon.  I'll withhold my comments about the wrap-around-the-hea= d shot.  :o)

Well then I can see the difficulty in it all. Getting a blow to the body of= a man with a sword and board quickly enough to get passed, on contact, but = pulled just so as not to hurt, is a tall order. In the course I'm taking, we= learn to cast, rather than pull. The object being to strike so that the ine= rtia is tangent to the point of contact. When done right, this allows you to= strike fast and hard without any significant force into the target. Still, = all our exercises are choreographed so there is no contact to the body.

 Why withhold your comments on the wrap-around-the-head shot? I'll gi= ve you mine. I think it's a SCAdianism, The result of having any landed head= shot count as a kill. Let me state clearly that I have only watched SCA com= bat. There may be more than meets the eye and rash words may be revisited wi= th a thump. However, unless my perception of body mechanics is all wrong, it= doesn't represent anything that makes sense in real combat. It always start= s as a feint to the head as a left handed wrath. That draws the board up and= right.  Then the forearm is brought accross to the attackers right and= twisted so it's a backhand blow to the back of the head. I've seen some to = the buttocks. The only way to get power or speed on the blow is to twist the= hips counter to the blow so there's something for the arm to rotate against= . The attacker is rising and ends with all weight on the right foot standing= very upright and very close. I'm betting the back of my head that a good le= ft hand shove with the shield would send the attacker flying arse over tea k= ettle before the blow landed. The fact that no-one ever does leads me to bel= ieve it's against the rules to shove. My other observation is that no one ev= er goes for outright intimidation. Like hauling off and intentionally hittin= g the shield so hard that gentles three baronies over are startled. Doesn't = harm the opponent but raises a shadow of self doubt that leads to hesitation= . It's what American football players call "dotting the i" (of int= imidation). The short of it is that SCA Heavy List appears to be it's own sp= ort.

 It's a terrible paradox isn't it. The goal of combat was to kill and= maim in any way possible. The goal of re-creationist combat is to not harm = anyone in any way. But how to make it look, sound and feel real? With such d= ivergent goals it's hard to follow any of the same "procedures" if= you will. Like the axe. Great weapon, particularly for largish men. Just sw= ing it hard. Even if the defender get's the shield up you'll likely just bre= ak his arm. There's no safe way to swing an axe at someone. There's to much = "mass x velocity" going on. At any rate, It'll be fun to get into = it. There'll be quite a bit of mental retraining on my part. That instinctiv= e tendency to close the gap must be overcome.
--MS_Mac_OE_3148930575_269602_MIME_Part-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 06:21:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: <2707298.1066108880579.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_235_12148594.1066108880576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was with holding because the two systems are different in most ways, and I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I fought SCA style, a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash someone, that is to use your shield offensively like a weapon. Thus no pushing. So you could get in close and perform the miracle back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't think it would practical, because... 1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you more vulnerable. Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can do the same back to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I would use it at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone else's shorter range. I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have ever seen two heavily armored fighters, covered by door shields, then you would see the only opening is the head...and if they can't push against one-another, then the means close in and attack the most exposed target...the head. 2) I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that attack...wound, yes, but not kill. Bill ------=_Part_235_12148594.1066108880576 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was with holding because the two systems are different in most ways, and I didn't want to compare apples and oranges.  Last time I fought SCA style, a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash someone, that is to use your shield offensively like a weapon.  Thus no pushing.  So you could get in close and perform the miracle back-of-the-head shot.  I personally don't think it would practical, because...

1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you more vulnerable.  Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can do the same back to me?  And if I have an advantage of a distance, I would use it at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone else's shorter range.  I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have ever seen two heavily armored fighters, covered by door shields, then you would see the only opening is the head...and if they can't push against one-another, then the means close in and attack the most exposed target...the head.

2)  I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that attack...wound, yes, but not kill.

Bill

------=_Part_235_12148594.1066108880576-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 08:26:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:26:52 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] aprons References: <000701c3925d$343c80a0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <001b01c39224$89c876c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Aprons. No real evidence of such AFAIK. If I am wearing a 'belt' I tuck a piece of linen scrim into it. If I am wearing 'viking' my dress is high class and I don't come into contact with aprons:-) From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 15:23:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: In Regia, the head is not a legal target. The actual target area, as I understand it, is simply "t shirt and shorts", though I think there's a different target area for armoured versus "squishy". On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: Wulfhere >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:01:48 -0400 > >on 10/13/03 5:01 PM, Chris Boulton at chris.boulton@ntlworld.com wrote: > > >> Yes, but the point being that whatever your neighbors thought, they > >> didn't actually say anything to the funny man swing a sword in the yard > >> slaying invisible foes. > > > > It's all the dead fairies at the bottom of the garden isn't it? Dead > > giveaway.... > > > > Chris. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > >That's "Alternative Lifestyle Sprit Beings". > >More seriously, did you swing steel or a wooden waster? I've noticed that >the SCA folk do a lot of the same backhanded, around the armor moves. I >haven't addressed SCA combat so I'm not sure if it's legal to knock an >opponent on his flanks but that's just what seems appropriate when someone >is off balance and reaching. So, what I'm gathering is that Regia combat is >a lot like SCA combat without all the protective gear. Do the helms have >face protection? If not, how do address head shots safely? > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 15:30:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:30:16 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: There's also legshots, which are not legal in the SCA, but might be pretty tempting if the opponent was close enough... On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST) > >I was with holding because the two systems are different in most ways, and >I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I fought SCA style, >a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash someone, that is to use your >shield offensively like a weapon. Thus no pushing. So you could get in >close and perform the miracle back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't >think it would practical, because... >1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you more >vulnerable. Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can do the >same back to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I would use it >at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone else's shorter range. >I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have ever seen two heavily armored >fighters, covered by door shields, then you would see the only opening is >the head...and if they can't push against one-another, then the means close >in and attack the most exposed target...the head. >2) I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that attack...wound, >yes, but not kill. >Bill _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 16:42:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:42:01 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now there's a tremendous paradox. A group that tries to be so much=20 about safety essentially has managed to make the head the primary=20 target. The one place you don't want to hit someone unless you really=20 want to hurt them. A neurosurgeon once explained to me that a=20 concussion is the brain getting forced against the inside of the skull.=20= So, you don't need to hit someone's head, just move it so fast that the=20= brain sloshes around inside it. So, in retrospect, I guess that weak=20 backhand is a good thing, because a solid thump would bring out the=20 stars and birds, helmet or no. On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Douglas Sunlin wrote: > There's also legshots, which are not legal in the SCA, but might be=20 > pretty tempting if the opponent was close enough... > > > > On manr=E6den, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > >> From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) >> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST) >> >> I was with holding because the two systems are different in most=20 >> ways, and I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I=20= >> fought SCA style, a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash=20 >> someone, that is to use your shield offensively like a weapon. Thus=20= >> no pushing. So you could get in close and perform the miracle=20 >> back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't think it would practical,=20= >> because... >> 1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you=20= >> more vulnerable. Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can=20= >> do the same back to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I=20= >> would use it at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone=20 >> else's shorter range. I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have=20= >> ever seen two heavily armored fighters, covered by door shields, then=20= >> you would see the only opening is the head...and if they can't push=20= >> against one-another, then the means close in and attack the most=20 >> exposed target...the head. >> 2) I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that=20 >> attack...wound, yes, but not kill. >> Bill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN=20 > Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 16:52:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:52:01 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] aprons Message-ID: <20.1a6d18d9.2cbd75a1@aol.com> --part1_20.1a6d18d9.2cbd75a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tie or tuck a piece of (hemmed) spare cloth round my waist/into my belt. --part1_20.1a6d18d9.2cbd75a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just tie or tuck a piece of (hemmed) spare cloth rou= nd my waist/into my belt. --part1_20.1a6d18d9.2cbd75a1_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 16:54:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3926B.7F4A0E4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 The short of it is that SCA Heavy List appears to be it's own sport.=20 =20 -- While this is true, having done both types of combat, steel and = rattan (admittedly I don't have as much experience as some of the list = members.) I think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are = very similar.=20 The only thing that I change when fighting steel is that my target range = is limited and the blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute. =20 The biggest difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an = entirely different set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel. When I am done rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not = using enough hip to generate force, this is something i have been = working on. When I am done steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is = more than likely due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow. =20 Very little about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the = way I defend income shots changes from style to style. =20 The one thing about defense with a shield is to hold the shield = differently so that shots aren't deflected into my face when the hit the = face of the shield (ie i hold the top out and let the bottom tip in = slightly) =20 When it comes to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I = actually expected the speed to be much slower. Once you get over the = idea of fighting in an open face helm and have even the remotest amount = of trust in your opponent, moving just as fast is no real issue. =20 This is just my opinion of course. =20 As for wraps, while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in = Steel fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take = them in our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they = would actually be. =20 I have experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them = don't land as would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio = is very low in my experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest = and not documented but it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot = would be very rare) =20 One must remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, = some of them are taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated = the opponent enough to get in a killing shot while the person is = stunned. =20 Crazy? yes Possible? who knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its = no where near the top of my list to steam over;) =20 =20 =20 Halvgrimr =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3926B.7F4A0E4E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
 
The short of = it is that SCA=20 Heavy List appears to be it's own sport. 
 
-- While this=20 is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan = (admittedly I=20 don't have as much experience as some of the list=20 members.)
I=20 think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the = styles are=20 very similar. 
The only thing=20 that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited = and the=20 blow is pulled (not much though) at the last = minute.
 
The biggest=20 difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely = different=20 set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.
When I am done=20 rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough = hip to=20 generate force, this is something i have been working = on.
When I am done=20 steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than = likely=20 due to using more finesse/control and pulling the = blow.
 
Very little=20 about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I = defend=20 income shots changes from style to style.
 
The one thing=20 about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that = shots=20 aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie = i hold=20 the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly)
 
When it comes=20 to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected = the speed=20 to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open = face helm=20 and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving = just as=20 fast is no real issue.
 
This is just my=20 opinion of course.
 
As for wraps,=20 while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel=20 fighting,  mostly to the back, and though we use them and take = them in=20 our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would = actually=20 be.
 
I have=20 experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't = land as=20 would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low = in my=20 experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not = documented but=20 it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very=20 rare)
 
One must=20 remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of = them are=20 taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent = enough to=20 get in a killing shot while the person is stunned.
 
Crazy?=20 yes
Possible? who=20 knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where = near the=20 top of my list to steam over;)
 
 
 
Halvgrimr
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3926B.7F4A0E4E-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 17:35:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:35:49 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) References: Message-ID: Shots to the thigh are legal (they're normally called "legshots" in SCA combat). The knee and below are not legal targets though many people throw such blows due to poor targeting. The knee not being a legal target dates back to an early high mucky-muck who had knee problems. In single combat, using a shield as a weapon or to push an opponent is frowned upon, though shields are often used to block or tie up an opponent's sword arm. In melee, shields are often used for pushing opponents, if not outright slamming into opponents to break the enemy line in a charge. As with any re-enactment group, conventions grow over time depending on the opinions of those in charge. --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: MSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLB To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) > There's also legshots, which are not legal in the SCA, but might be pretty > tempting if the opponent was close enough... > > > > On manræden, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >Wrom: XFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKB > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST) > > > >I was with holding because the two systems are different in most ways, and > >I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I fought SCA style, > >a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash someone, that is to use your > >shield offensively like a weapon. Thus no pushing. So you could get in > >close and perform the miracle back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't > >think it would practical, because... > >1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you more > >vulnerable. Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can do the > >same back to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I would use it > >at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone else's shorter range. > >I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have ever seen two heavily armored > >fighters, covered by door shields, then you would see the only opening is > >the head...and if they can't push against one-another, then the means close > >in and attack the most exposed target...the head. > >2) I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that attack...wound, > >yes, but not kill. > >Bill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger > 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 17:48:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: <30764978.1066150098396.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_8619_31851289.1066150098394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know if I've ever been concussed in the SCA....I have seen stars once= :o) (dain-bramage). But I have had rivets popped out of my helmet, and = witnessed someone whose helmet was so crushed, he had to be cut out of it..= .very, very carefully. Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:43 PM=20 >From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)=20 Now there's a tremendous paradox. A group that tries to be so much=20 about safety essentially has managed to make the head the primary=20 target. The one place you don't want to hit someone unless you really=20 want to hurt them. A neurosurgeon once explained to me that a=20 concussion is the brain getting forced against the inside of the skull.=20 So, you don't need to hit someone's head, just move it so fast that the=20 brain sloshes around inside it. So, in retrospect, I guess that weak=20 backhand is a good thing, because a solid thump would bring out the=20 stars and birds, helmet or no.=20 On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Douglas Sunlin wrote:=20 > There's also legshots, which are not legal in the SCA, but might be=20 > pretty tempting if the opponent was close enough...=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On manr=E6den,=20 > Osweald of Baldurstrand=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20 > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20 >> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >> To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >> Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)=20 >> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST)=20 >>=20 >> I was with holding because the two systems are different in most=20 >> ways, and I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I=20 >> fought SCA style, a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash=20 >> someone, that is to use your shield offensively like a weapon. Thus=20 >> no pushing. So you could get in close and perform the miracle=20 >> back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't think it would practical,=20 >> because...=20 >> 1) You have to get in close to execute the manuver, thus making you=20 >> more vulnerable. Why do I want to get inside someone that I know can=20 >> do the same back to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I=20 >> would use it at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone=20 >> else's shorter range. I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have=20 >> ever seen two heavily armored fighters, covered by door shields, then=20 >> you would see the only opening is the head...and if they can't push=20 >> against one-another, then the means close in and attack the most=20 >> exposed target...the head.=20 >> 2) I don't think you could get in a killing blow with that=20 >> attack...wound, yes, but not kill.=20 >> Bill=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________=20 > Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN=20 > Messenger 6.0. 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Don't know if I've ever been concussed in the SCA....I have seen stars o= nce  :o)  (dain-bramage).  But I have had rivets popped= out of my helmet, and witnessed someone whose helmet was so crushed, he ha= d to be cut out of it...very, very carefully.

Bill


Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:43 PM
From : Wulfhere se = Treowryhta
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Co= py to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
Now t= here's a tremendous paradox. A group that tries to be so much
about saf= ety essentially has managed to make the head the primary
target. The on= e place you don't want to hit someone unless you really
want to hurt th= em. A neurosurgeon once explained to me that a
concussion is the brain = getting forced against the inside of the skull.
So, you don't need to h= it someone's head, just move it so fast that the
brain sloshes around i= nside it. So, in retrospect, I guess that weak
backhand is a good thing= , because a solid thump would bring out the
stars and birds, helmet or = no.


On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Douglas Sunlin w= rote:

> There's also legshots, which are not legal in the SCA, b= ut might be
> pretty tempting if the opponent was close enough... >
>
>
> On manr=E6den,
> Osweald of Baldur= strand
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
>= ; http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
>
>
>
>= ;
>
>> From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
>> = Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net
= >> Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)
>&= gt; Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:21:20 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>> = I was with holding because the two systems are different in most
>&g= t; ways, and I didn't want to compare apples and oranges. Last time I
&= gt;> fought SCA style, a few years ago, it was illegal to shieldbash >> someone, that is to use your shield offensively like a weapon. Th= us
>> no pushing. So you could get in close and perform the mirac= le
>> back-of-the-head shot. I personally don't think it would pr= actical,
>> because...
>> 1) You have to get in close t= o execute the manuver, thus making you
>> more vulnerable. Why do= I want to get inside someone that I know can
>> do the same back= to me? And if I have an advantage of a distance, I
>> would use = it at length and not put myself in jeopardy of someone
>> else's = shorter range. I too think it is an SCA-ism, as if you have
>> ev= er seen two heavily armored fighters, covered by door shields, then
>= ;> you would see the only opening is the head...and if they can't push <= BR>>> against one-another, then the means close in and attack the mos= t
>> exposed target...the head.
>> 2) I don't think you= could get in a killing blow with that
>> attack...wound, yes, bu= t not kill.
>> Bill
>
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------=_Part_8619_31851289.1066150098394-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 17:53:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:53:25 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39273.AEEBD188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On = Behalf Of VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:48 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Don't know if I've ever been concussed in the SCA....I have seen stars = once :o) (dain-bramage). =20 =20 --I have never been concussed. I have on occasion been hit hard enough to dent 14 gauge steel I much prefer this type of occasional shot vs. the Eastern SCA = mentality. Alot of those guys recommend helmets of at LEAST 12 ga as they REGULARLY = dent 12 ga or less (No kidding I have had folks on the Armour Archive = tell me this!) That in my mind is insane! Halvgrimr who used to live out East and believes it ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39273.AEEBD188 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = list-regia-na-admin@lig.net=20 [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, October = 14, 2003=20 11:48 AM
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
Subject: Re: = Re:=20 [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)

Don't know if I've ever been concussed in the SCA....I have seen = stars=20 once  :o)  (dain-bramage).   

 

--I=20 have never been concussed.

I have=20 on occasion been hit hard enough to dent 14 gauge = steel

I much=20 prefer this type of occasional shot vs. the Eastern SCA=20 mentality.

Alot=20 of those guys recommend helmets of at LEAST 12 ga as they REGULARLY = dent 12 ga=20 or less (No = kidding I have=20 had folks on the Armour Archive tell me this!)

That=20 in my mind is insane!

Halvgrimr

who=20 used to live out East and believes=20 it

------_=_NextPart_001_01C39273.AEEBD188-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 17:59:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: <654488.1066150776239.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_8760_6823924.1066150776237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good points, although I can't remember much in difference of muscle usage. Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:55 PM >From : Schuster, Robert L. To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) The short of it is that SCA Heavy List appears to be it's own sport. face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> class=174483715-14102003> class=174483715-14102003>-- While this is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan (admittedly I don't have as much experience as some of the list members.) class=174483715-14102003>I think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are very similar. class=174483715-14102003>The only thing that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited and the blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>The biggest difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely different set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel. class=174483715-14102003>When I am done rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough hip to generate force, this is something i have been working on. class=174483715-14102003>When I am done steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than likely due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>Very little about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I defend income shots changes from style to style. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>The one thing about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that shots aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie i hold the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly) class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>When it comes to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected the speed to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open face helm and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving just as fast is no real issue. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>This is just my opinion of course. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>As for wraps, while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel fighting, mostly to the back, and though we use them and take them in our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would actually be. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>I have experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't land as would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low in my experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not documented but it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very rare) class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>One must remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of them are taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent enough to get in a killing shot while the person is stunned. class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003>Crazy? yes class=174483715-14102003>Possible? who knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where near the top of my list to steam over;) class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003> size=2> class=174483715-14102003> size=2>Halvgrimr class=174483715-14102003> size=2> ------=_Part_8760_6823924.1066150776237 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Good points, although I can't remember much in difference of muscle usage.

Bill



Message date : Oct 14 2003, 04:55 PM
From : Schuster, Robert L.
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : RE: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings)







 


The short of it is that SCA
Heavy List appears to be it's own sport. face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003> 

class=174483715-14102003>-- While this
is true, having done both types of combat, steel and rattan (admittedly I
don't have as much experience as some of the list
members.)

class=174483715-14102003>I
think that as much as some of you hate to admit it, the styles are
very similar.
 

class=174483715-14102003>The only thing
that I change when fighting steel is that my target range is limited and the
blow is pulled (not much though) at the last minute.

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003>The biggest
difference in body mechanics I notice is that you use an entirely different
set of muscles in your arm when fighting steel.

class=174483715-14102003>When I am done
rattan fighting my shoulder is sore, a bi product of not using enough hip to
generate force, this is something i have been working on.

class=174483715-14102003>When I am done
steel fighting my elbow and forearm are sore, this is more than likely
due to using more finesse/control and pulling the blow.

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003>Very little
about the way I move, the speed I use to throw blows, or the way I defend
income shots changes from style to style.

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003>The one thing
about defense with a shield is to hold the shield differently so that shots
aren't deflected into my face when the hit the face of the shield (ie i hold
the top out and let the bottom tip in slightly)

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003>When it comes
to the speed of the blow, since the face is open I actually expected the speed
to be much slower. Once you get over the idea of fighting in an open face helm
and have even the remotest amount of trust in your opponent, moving just as
fast is no real issue.

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class=174483715-14102003>This is just my
opinion of course.

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class=174483715-14102003>As for wraps,
while applicable in SCA, I have tried throwing them in Steel
fighting,  mostly to the back, and though we use them and take them in
our newly developing style, I am not sure how effective they would actually
be.

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

class=174483715-14102003>I have
experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't land as
would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very low in my
experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not documented but
it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be very
rare)

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class=174483715-14102003>One must
remember that not all shots in SCA are assumed to be fatal, some of them are
taken as kills as the shot would have discombobulated the opponent enough to
get in a killing shot while the person is stunned.

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class=174483715-14102003>Crazy?
yes

class=174483715-14102003>Possible? who
knows but in the realm of odd things done in the SCA, its no where near the
top of my list to steam over;)

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class=174483715-14102003> size=2>Halvgrimr

class=174483715-14102003> size=2> 

------=_Part_8760_6823924.1066150776237-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 18:27:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: <26519666.1066152442438.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_9126_27720369.1066152442435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a Regia NA member's e-group??? ------=_Part_9126_27720369.1066152442435 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a Regia NA member's e-group???
------=_Part_9126_27720369.1066152442435-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 18:31:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:31:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting Message-ID: <17000946.1066152712945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_9192_7992823.1066152712942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately? Bill ------=_Part_9192_7992823.1066152712942 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately?

Bill

------=_Part_9192_7992823.1066152712942-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 18:36:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Message-ID: <6197383.1066153012860.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_9271_7628826.1066153012857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_Part_9271_7628826.1066153012857 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?

Bill

------=_Part_9271_7628826.1066153012857-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 18:54:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7AE03E51-FE6F-11D7-BC4D-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> > > --I have never been concussed. > > I have on occasion been hit=A0hard enough to dent 14 gauge steel > > I much prefer this type of=A0occasional shot vs. the Eastern SCA=20 > mentality. > > Alot of those guys recommend helmets of at LEAST 12 ga as they=20 > REGULARLY dent 12 ga or less=A0(No kidding I have had folks on the=20 > Armour Archive tell me this!) > > I have been concussed many times as well as 2 broken noses, a hyper=20= extended knee and a separated shoulder. All on the football field and=20 the result of being 5'6" tall and 135lbs in a game meant for big=20 people. And, in one of those macho "guy thing" ways, I remember those=20 as some of the best times of my life. After scouting heavy list in the SCA I can make one observation. This=20= MAY be particular to the East Kingdom. The reason people get hit so=20 hard is that they don't graciously accept the fact that they have been=20= hit the first two times. Some of these knights get very frustrated=20 after landing a killing blow and hearing "light." The first tournament=20= I ever observed was a poor demonstration of chivalry. A lot of flaring=20= tempers, very little honor. Turned me off in a major way. It's a social=20= problem in general I fear. I have heard the term Rhino Hides used. I=20 can see that some warriors have lost track of the fact that it's a=20 game. I'll stick with archery in the SCA, and leave the lists to the=20 nobles. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 19:05:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Green Shield) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:05:36 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: In defense of the rap shot, one done to the back of the neck or head would indeed be enough to, if nothing else, stun an opponent long enough to cause unconsiouness or daze enough to follow through with a kiling blow. Those of you who have been accidentally struck down the spine can attest to the shock that feeling can cause. C Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 19:16:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: In defense of the rap shot, one done to the back of the neck or head = would=20 indeed be enough to, if nothing else, stun an opponent long enough to = cause=20 unconsiouness or daze enough to follow through with a kiling blow. Those = of=20 you who have been accidentally struck down the spine can attest to the = shock=20 that feeling can cause. C --I believe that Camric has said more eloquently what I was trying to = convey earlier. Wulfhere also said: This MAY be particular to the East Kingdom. The reason people get hit so = hard is that they don't graciously accept the fact that they have been=20 hit the first two times. Some of these knights get very frustrated=20 after landing a killing blow and hearing "light." --Yes, it has been my experience that this is more common on the East = coast. On the other end of the spectrum though, we (in Calontir) use = active marshalling. If the marshals think that you have intentionally = missed calling something, they will let you know you are dead. The = Easterners (and others kingdoms as well) hate this as much as we = disprove of their 'style' of combat. sorry to bore the rest of you with this SCA talk, maybe future replies = should be private? Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 19:36:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:36:36 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting References: <17000946.1066152712945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <002901c39282$196af6b0$0e702052@kim1> I think he's Over Here matey;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting > Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately? > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 19:43:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting Message-ID: <9700272.1066157022765.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_9703_25982452.1066157022763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahhh, that might explain why I haven't heard from him. Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 07:38 PM >From : J K Siddorn To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting I think he's Over Here matey;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting > Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately? > Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_9703_25982452.1066157022763 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ahhh, that might explain why I haven't heard from him.

Bill



Message date : Oct 14 2003, 07:38 PM
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Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting
I think he's Over Here matey;o))


Regards,

Kim Siddorn

I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me
than a free frontal lobotomy!


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> Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately?
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------=_Part_9703_25982452.1066157022763-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 20:42:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:42:13 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting References: <17000946.1066152712945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> <002901c39282$196af6b0$0e702052@kim1> Message-ID: <010901c3928b$447789a0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > I think he's Over Here matey;o)) > > If he is over here...if you see him could you ask him if I could have my colour sticks back?? I have been asking for 12 months nearly. Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 20:44:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Regia Combat (was Greetings) Message-ID: >I have experimented with a blade and post and found that most of them don't >land as would be required to become fatal. A few do but the ratio is very >low in my experience. (This wasn't a massive study to be honest and not >documented but it is my feeling that to throw a fatal wrap shot would be >very rare) Using western swords, I have done tameshigiri test cutting as performed in Japanese swordsmanship. This involves a bundle of "straw" (actually a rush) that has been soaked in water. Cutting single sword with a sharp will put the bundle clean in half. Add a shield and the equation becomes more complex; the shield must be out of the way of a follow-through. For the "sport" forms in the US and UK, with the pulled blows, a "good" blow may be landed without any follow-through, thus the shield is often held in a position that would have hindered a killing blow if the fight had been for real. Not sure if that made sense. _________________________________________________________________ Page a contact’s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 14 22:40:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:40:29 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting References: <6197383.1066153012860.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <004801c3929b$f718ce10$399b08d8@boatanchor> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3927A.42529680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill: There were no formal minutes taken, however here's my account of what = happened; We all gathered in George's camp for a really good dinner cooked = by........ I know as soon as I send this his name will come to me. Roast = chickens and a really good stew. After dinner there was a brief = "meeting" discussing a few points of business, including: - The formation of new groups in Portland Oregon and Ohio - Combat authorizations - The idea was put forth for a NA Authenticity Officer. I volunteered. = Don't know/remember if we decided on anything. - George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Group leader for Winmerestow=20 - More talk about a Regia NA event. There is one in the works for next = may. Details to follow. We then went around the table, intoducing ourselves and our guests. = Roland gave a bit of a speech and then, as he had other commitments and = had to get going we broke and spent the rest of the evening sitting = around the fire and chatting. Pretty laid back all in all. I will admit that I spent too much time in the sun and drank a few too = many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember everything, but those are = the big points as I recall. Chris P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill this year, I had a brief chance = to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a tight schedule that = weekend.. Hope to have another chance in the near future. Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the = Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3927A.42529680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill:
 
There were no formal minutes taken, = however here's=20 my account of what happened;
 
We all gathered in George's camp for a = really good=20 dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his name will = come to me.=20 Roast chickens and a really good stew.  After dinner there was a = brief=20 "meeting" discussing a few points of business, including:
 
- The formation of new groups in = Portland Oregon=20 and Ohio
- Combat authorizations
- The idea was put forth for a NA = Authenticity=20 Officer.  I volunteered.  Don't know/remember if we decided on = anything.
- George presented a sword to =C6dwen, = Group leader=20 for Winmerestow
- More talk about a Regia NA = event.  There is=20 one in the works for next may.  Details to follow.
 
We then went around the table, = intoducing ourselves=20 and our guests.  Roland gave a bit of a speech and then, as he had = other=20 commitments and had to get going we broke and spent the rest of the = evening=20 sitting around the fire and chatting.  Pretty laid back all in=20 all.
 
I will admit that I spent too much time = in the sun=20 and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember = everything,=20 but those are the big points as I recall.
 
Chris
 
P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill = this year,=20 I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a tight = schedule that weekend..  Hope to have another chance in the near=20 future.
Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened = at the=20 Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3927A.42529680-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 00:40:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Message-ID: <6785197.1066174816248.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_12085_12901500.1066174816246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to stay a= s informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic (not sure= if I would want to anyway :o) !) =20 I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some of t= he members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide transporta= tion if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot, an= d was a location bantered about? Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM=20 >From : Chris Kerr=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting=20 Bill: There were no formal minutes taken, however here's=20 my account of what happened; We all gathered in George's camp for a really good=20 dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his name will come t= o me.=20 Roast chickens and a really good stew. After dinner there was a brief=20 "meeting" discussing a few points of business, including: - The formation of new groups in Portland Oregon=20 and Ohio - Combat authorizations - The idea was put forth for a NA Authenticity=20 Officer. I volunteered. Don't know/remember if we decided on=20 anything. - George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Group leader=20 for Winmerestow=20 - More talk about a Regia NA event. There is=20 one in the works for next may. Details to follow. We then went around the table, intoducing ourselves=20 and our guests. Roland gave a bit of a speech and then, as he had other=20 commitments and had to get going we broke and spent the rest of the evening= =20 sitting around the fire and chatting. Pretty laid back all in=20 all. I will admit that I spent too much time in the sun=20 and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember everythi= ng,=20 but those are the big points as I recall. Chris P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill this year,=20 I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a tight=20 schedule that weekend.. Hope to have another chance in the near=20 future. style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LE= FT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=20 Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the=20 Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_Part_12085_12901500.1066174816246 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just want t= o stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic (= not sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 

I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some o= f the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide transpo= rtation if by air, and there is lots of space.

I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot,= and was a location bantered about?

Bill



Message date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM
From : Chris Kerr <= CKERR@SPECTRANET.CA>
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subjec= t : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting







Bill:

 

There were no formal minutes taken, howeve= r here's
my account of what happened;

 

We all gathered in George's camp for a rea= lly good
dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his nam= e will come to me.
Roast chickens and a really good stew.  After d= inner there was a brief
"meeting" discussing a few points of business, = including:

 

- The formation of new groups in Portland = Oregon
and Ohio

- Combat authorizations

- The idea was put forth for a NA Authenti= city
Officer.  I volunteered.  Don't know/remember if we deci= ded on
anything.

- George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Gro= up leader
for Winmerestow

- More talk about a Regia NA event.  = There is
one in the works for next may.  Details to follow.
=

 

We then went around the table, intoducing = ourselves
and our guests.  Roland gave a bit of a speech and then,= as he had other
commitments and had to get going we broke and spent th= e rest of the evening
sitting around the fire and chatting.  Prett= y laid back all in
all.

 

I will admit that I spent too much time in= the sun
and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I reme= mber everything,
but those are the big points as I recall.
=
 

Chris

 

P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill th= is year,
I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit = of a tight
schedule that weekend..  Hope to have another chance in= the near
future.

style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; M= ARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the=
Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?

Bill


------=_Part_12085_12901500.1066174816246-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 02:27:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:04 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] Western Canada Message-ID: <1066181224.3f8ca26813258@webmail.usask.ca> http://www.topica.com/lists/nordhere/ The above link is to an email group I've just started this afternoon. 'Nordhere' is a sort of umbrella group we are putting together for anyone interested in 11th century history/reenactment in Western Canada, and we're looking for folks. This is not going to be a full fledged group. We are planning to get together once a year to do an event, probably a camp. The plan is currently to do the camp display at the Red Deer Highland Games in Alberta, but it's not set in stone. We have 4-6 people in Saskatchewan, three in NWT and two in Alberta. We are not out to steal members from Regia Anglorum or the SCA! It's one weekend a year, attending would enhance, not interfere with participation in any other clubs. If you are in the Territories, BC, Alberta, Sask or Manitoba, and might be interested in attending the weekend next summer, please join the list and introduce yourself. We have just begun discussing authenticity standards, steel combat, and the planning of the camp in the summer. Feedback from a few more folks would be appreciated. Regards, ~Wil From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 02:53:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting References: <6785197.1066174816248.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <000f01c392bf$16879920$7d9b08d8@boatanchor> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3929D.8E79BED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF YET!!!!!!!! I haden't really planned to put this out yet, but there are plans = underway for the first Regia event in NA for next Memorial day weekend. = The event will be held near St. Catherines Ontario, just north of the = New York state border. The site is VERY easily accessable from the US, = about 30 minutes from the border. Winmerestow will be hosting the = event, which will take its form from the Pim Hill training weekend which = is the only Regia event that any of us have attended. For all you = fighter types, Mark Patchett and I will be conducting training and there = will be plenty of opportunity to come out and swing for those who want = to. There will also be a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a = couple of groups that I know that have boats to do a bit of = sailing/rowing on the river. Like I said, none of this is official, but = you can be fairly sure of the date if you want to start making plans to = attend. Invitations will be going out to all Regia groups/members in NA = as well as other groups that I know of who share our interest as soon as = we have the details hammered out. When you recieve your invite, you = will also get the contact info for the private site with all the = details. This site will be updated regularly. =20 For more info, please contact me off the list at ckerr@spectranet.ca Chris Kerr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to = stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic = (not sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) =20 I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some = of the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide = transportation if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit = hot, and was a location bantered about? Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM=20 From : Chris Kerr=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting=20 Bill: There were no formal minutes taken, however here's=20 my account of what happened; We all gathered in George's camp for a really good=20 dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his name will = come to me.=20 Roast chickens and a really good stew. After dinner there was a = brief=20 "meeting" discussing a few points of business, including: - The formation of new groups in Portland Oregon=20 and Ohio - Combat authorizations - The idea was put forth for a NA Authenticity=20 Officer. I volunteered. Don't know/remember if we decided on=20 anything. - George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Group leader=20 for Winmerestow=20 - More talk about a Regia NA event. There is=20 one in the works for next may. Details to follow. We then went around the table, intoducing ourselves=20 and our guests. Roland gave a bit of a speech and then, as he had = other=20 commitments and had to get going we broke and spent the rest of the = evening=20 sitting around the fire and chatting. Pretty laid back all in=20 all. I will admit that I spent too much time in the sun=20 and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember = everything,=20 but those are the big points as I recall. Chris P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill this year,=20 I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a = tight=20 schedule that weekend.. Hope to have another chance in the near=20 future. style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=20 Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at = the=20 Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3929D.8E79BED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF=20 YET!!!!!!!!
 
I haden't really planned to put this = out yet, but=20 there are plans underway for the first Regia event in NA for next = Memorial day=20 weekend.  The event will be held near St. Catherines Ontario, just = north of=20 the New York state border.  The site is VERY easily accessable from = the US,=20 about 30 minutes from the border.  Winmerestow will be hosting the = event,=20 which will take its form from the Pim Hill training weekend which is the = only=20 Regia event that any of us have attended.  For all you fighter = types, Mark=20 Patchett and I will be conducting training and there will be plenty of=20 opportunity to come out and swing for those who want to.  There = will also=20 be a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a couple of groups that I = know=20 that have boats to do a bit of sailing/rowing on the river.  Like I = said,=20 none of this is official, but you can be fairly sure of the date if you = want to=20 start making plans to attend.  Invitations will be going out to all = Regia=20 groups/members in NA as well as other groups that I know of who share = our=20 interest as soon as we have the details hammered out.  When you = recieve=20 your invite, you will also get the contact info for the private site = with all=20 the details.  This site will be updated = regularly.   =20
 
For more info, please contact me off = the list at ckerr@spectranet.ca
 
Chris Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 = 7:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] = Pennsic=20 Meeting

Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just = want to=20 stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to = Pennsic (not=20 sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 

I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together = some of=20 the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide=20 transportation if by air, and there is lots of space.

I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit = hot,=20 and was a location bantered about?

Bill



Message=20 date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM
From : Chris Kerr=20
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :=20
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting







Bill:

 

There were no formal minutes taken, = however=20 here's
my account of what happened;

 

We all gathered in George's camp = for a really=20 good
dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his = name=20 will come to me.
Roast chickens and a really good stew.  = After=20 dinner there was a brief
"meeting" discussing a few points of = business,=20 including:

 

- The formation of new groups in = Portland=20 Oregon
and Ohio

- Combat = authorizations

- The idea was put forth for a NA = Authenticity=20
Officer.  I volunteered.  Don't know/remember if we = decided on=20
anything.

- George presented a sword to = =C6dwen, Group=20 leader
for Winmerestow

- More talk about a Regia NA = event.  There=20 is
one in the works for next may.  Details to=20 follow.

 

We then went around the table, = intoducing=20 ourselves
and our guests.  Roland gave a bit of a speech = and then,=20 as he had other
commitments and had to get going we broke and = spent the=20 rest of the evening
sitting around the fire and chatting.  = Pretty=20 laid back all in
all.

 

I will admit that I spent too much = time in the=20 sun
and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I = remember=20 everything,
but those are the big points as I = recall.

 

Chris

 

P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim = Hill this=20 year,
I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a = bit of a=20 tight
schedule that weekend..  Hope to have another chance = in the=20 near
future.

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Is there going to be any type of formal report on what = happened at=20 the
Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?

=

Bill


------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3929D.8E79BED0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 02:56:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:56:41 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting References: <6785197.1066174816248.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <001f01c392bf$94b27cc0$7d9b08d8@boatanchor> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3929E.0CDD3EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill I would love to come out, but I just don't have the Vacation time to = spare right now. Besides, I am saving up to go to York in Feb. As to a RANA event, I have let slip some of the info under seperate = cover. Chris Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to = stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic = (not sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) =20 I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some = of the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide = transportation if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit = hot, and was a location bantered about? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3929E.0CDD3EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill
 
I would love to come out, but I just = don't have the=20 Vacation time to spare right now.  Besides, I am saving up to go to = York in=20 Feb.
 
As to a RANA event, I have let slip = some of the=20 info under seperate cover.
 
Chris
 

Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just = want to=20 stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to = Pennsic (not=20 sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 

I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together = some of=20 the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide=20 transportation if by air, and there is lots of space.

I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit = hot,=20 and was a location bantered about?

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3929E.0CDD3EA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 03:32:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting Message-ID: <11105479.1066185134381.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_106_22185277.1066185134378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I know this isn't official, but thanks for the heads up. Going such a dist= ance (although that could change) for me would require quite a bit of leadt= ime...most units would like to see a three month projection for leave these= days. Anyway, I think this sounds like a grand idea and I will certainly = be blocking out that weekend. Bill Message date : Oct 15 2003, 02:53 AM=20 >From : Chris Kerr=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting=20 NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF=20 YET!!!!!!!! I haden't really planned to put this out yet, but=20 there are plans underway for the first Regia event in NA for next Memorial = day=20 weekend. The event will be held near St. Catherines Ontario, just north of= =20 the New York state border. The site is VERY easily accessable from the US,= =20 about 30 minutes from the border. Winmerestow will be hosting the event,= =20 which will take its form from the Pim Hill training weekend which is the on= ly=20 Regia event that any of us have attended. For all you fighter types, Mark= =20 Patchett and I will be conducting training and there will be plenty of=20 opportunity to come out and swing for those who want to. There will also= =20 be a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a couple of groups that I kn= ow=20 that have boats to do a bit of sailing/rowing on the river. Like I said,= =20 none of this is official, but you can be fairly sure of the date if you wan= t to=20 start making plans to attend. Invitations will be going out to all Regia= =20 groups/members in NA as well as other groups that I know of who share our= =20 interest as soon as we have the details hammered out. When you recieve=20 your invite, you will also get the contact info for the private site with a= ll=20 the details. This site will be updated regularly. =20 For more info, please contact me off the list at href=3D"mailto:ckerr@spect= ranet.ca">ckerr@spectranet.ca Chris Kerr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LE= FT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:=20 href=3D"mailto:VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk">VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.c= o.uk=20 To: href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:40=20 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic=20 Meeting Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to=20 stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic (no= t=20 sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) =20 I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some of= =20 the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide=20 transportation if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot,=20 and was a location bantered about? Bill style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #ff0000 2px soli= d">Message=20 date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM=20 >From : Chris Kerr=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting=20 Bill: There were no formal minutes taken, however=20 here's=20 my account of what happened; We all gathered in George's camp for a really=20 good=20 dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his name=20 will come to me.=20 Roast chickens and a really good stew. After=20 dinner there was a brief=20 "meeting" discussing a few points of business,=20 including: - The formation of new groups in Portland=20 Oregon=20 and Ohio - Combat authorizations - The idea was put forth for a NA Authenticity=20 Officer. I volunteered. Don't know/remember if we decided on=20 anything. - George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Group=20 leader=20 for Winmerestow=20 - More talk about a Regia NA event. There=20 is=20 one in the works for next may. Details to=20 follow. We then went around the table, intoducing=20 ourselves=20 and our guests. Roland gave a bit of a speech and then,=20 as he had other=20 commitments and had to get going we broke and spent the=20 rest of the evening=20 sitting around the fire and chatting. Pretty=20 laid back all in=20 all. I will admit that I spent too much time in the=20 sun=20 and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember=20 everything,=20 but those are the big points as I recall. Chris P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill this=20 year,=20 I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a=20 tight=20 schedule that weekend.. Hope to have another chance in the=20 near=20 future. style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20 MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=20 Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at=20 the=20 Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_Part_106_22185277.1066185134378 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris,

I know this isn't official, but thanks for the heads up.  Going suc= h a distance (although that could change) for me would require quite a= bit of leadtime...most units would like to see a three month projection fo= r leave these days.  Anyway, I think this sounds like a grand idea and= I will certainly be blocking out that weekend.

Bill



Message date : Oct 15 2003, 02:53 AM
From : Chris Kerr <= CKERR@SPECTRANET.CA>
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subjec= t : [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting





NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF
YET!!!!= !!!!

 

I haden't really planned to put this out y= et, but
there are plans underway for the first Regia event in NA for ne= xt Memorial day
weekend.  The event will be held near St. Catherin= es Ontario, just north of
the New York state border.  The site is = VERY easily accessable from the US,
about 30 minutes from the border.&n= bsp; Winmerestow will be hosting the event,
which will take its form fr= om the Pim Hill training weekend which is the only
Regia event that any= of us have attended.  For all you fighter types, Mark
Patchett an= d I will be conducting training and there will be plenty of
opportunity= to come out and swing for those who want to.  There will also
be = a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a couple of groups that I know =
that have boats to do a bit of sailing/rowing on the river.  Like = I said,
none of this is official, but you can be fairly sure of the dat= e if you want to
start making plans to attend.  Invitations will b= e going out to all Regia
groups/members in NA as well as other groups t= hat I know of who share our
interest as soon as we have the details ham= mered out.  When you recieve
your invite, you will also get the co= ntact info for the private site with all
the details.  This site&n= bsp;will be updated regularly.   

 

For more info, please contact me off the l= ist at href=3D"mailto:ckerr@spectranet.ca">ckerr@spectranet.ca

 

Chris Kerr

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----- Original Message -----


To: href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">list-regia-na@lig.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:40=
PM

Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic =
Meeting



Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just want t= o
stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Penns= ic (not
sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 


I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some o= f
the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide transportation if by air, and there is lots of space.


I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot,=
and was a location bantered about?


Bill




style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #ff0000 2px solid">Message
date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM
From : C= hris Kerr

To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy = to :

Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting











Bill:


 


There were no formal minutes taken, howeve= r
here's
my account of what happened;


 


We all gathered in George's camp for a rea= lly
good
dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his= name
will come to me.
Roast chickens and a really good stew. = After
dinner there was a brief
"meeting" discussing a few points o= f business,
including:


 


- The formation of new groups in Portland =
Oregon
and Ohio


- Combat authorizations

- The idea was put forth for a NA Authenti= city

Officer.  I volunteered.  Don't know/remember if we = decided on

anything.


- George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Gro= up
leader
for Winmerestow


- More talk about a Regia NA event.  = There
is
one in the works for next may.  Details to
follow= .


 


We then went around the table, intoducing =
ourselves
and our guests.  Roland gave a bit of a speech and t= hen,
as he had other
commitments and had to get going we broke and = spent the
rest of the evening
sitting around the fire and chatting.=   Pretty
laid back all in
all.


 


I will admit that I spent too much time in= the
sun
and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I = remember
everything,
but those are the big points as I recall.


 


Chris


 


P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill th= is
year,
I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a = bit of a
tight
schedule that weekend..  Hope to have another c= hance in the
near
future.


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Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened at the
Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?


Bill



------=_Part_106_22185277.1066185134378-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 03:36:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Message-ID: <9256290.1066185394736.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_114_22760146.1066185394734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too (saving leave)! York! It's worth the vacation time and expense...which in February the cost of airfare isn't much. Message date : Oct 15 2003, 02:56 AM >From : Chris Kerr To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Bill I would love to come out, but I just don't have the Vacation time to spare right now. Besides, I am saving up to go to York in Feb. As to a RANA event, I have let slip some of the info under seperate cover. Chris style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic (not sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some of the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide transportation if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot, and was a location bantered about? Bill ------=_Part_114_22760146.1066185394734 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Me too (saving leave)!  York!  It's worth the vacation time and expense...which in February the cost of airfare isn't much.


Message date : Oct 15 2003, 02:56 AM
From : Chris Kerr
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting







Bill

 

I would love to come out, but I just don't have the
Vacation time to spare right now.  Besides, I am saving up to go to York in
Feb.

 

As to a RANA event, I have let slip some of the
info under seperate cover.

 

Chris

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Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just want to
stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic (not
sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 


I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together some of
the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide
transportation if by air, and there is lots of space.


I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit hot,
and was a location bantered about?


Bill


------=_Part_114_22760146.1066185394734-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 11:27:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:27:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Tom Sweeting In-Reply-To: <17000946.1066152712945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> References: <17000946.1066152712945.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <3F8D2116.3000807@chapelperilous.net> VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Has anyone heard from Tom Sweeting lately? I talked to him just before Pennsic. Haven't heard from him since. -- Brett/Istvan http://www.chapelperilous.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All newspaper editorial writers ever do is come down from the hills after the battle is over and shoot the wounded. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 19:25:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting References: <6785197.1066174816248.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> <000f01c392bf$16879920$7d9b08d8@boatanchor> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C39328.2B4409C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Chris-- Please keep us posted on this. Thanks! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message -----=20 Wrom: ZCMHVIBGDADRZ To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Spring event WAS - Pennsic Meeting NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF YET!!!!!!!! I haden't really planned to put this out yet, but there are plans = underway for the first Regia event in NA for next Memorial day weekend. = The event will be held near St. Catherines Ontario, just north of the = New York state border. The site is VERY easily accessable from the US, = about 30 minutes from the border. Winmerestow will be hosting the = event, which will take its form from the Pim Hill training weekend which = is the only Regia event that any of us have attended. For all you = fighter types, Mark Patchett and I will be conducting training and there = will be plenty of opportunity to come out and swing for those who want = to. There will also be a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a = couple of groups that I know that have boats to do a bit of = sailing/rowing on the river. Like I said, none of this is official, but = you can be fairly sure of the date if you want to start making plans to = attend. Invitations will be going out to all Regia groups/members in NA = as well as other groups that I know of who share our interest as soon as = we have the details hammered out. When you recieve your invite, you = will also get the contact info for the private site with all the = details. This site will be updated regularly. =20 For more info, please contact me off the list at ckerr@spectranet.ca Chris Kerr ----- Original Message -----=20 Wrom: FSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWI To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting Silly me...you are that Chris! Thanks for the update...just want to = stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to Pennsic = (not sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) =20 I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together = some of the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can = provide transportation if by air, and there is lots of space. I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a bit = hot, and was a location bantered about? Bill Message date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM=20 From : Chris Kerr=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting=20 Bill: There were no formal minutes taken, however here's=20 my account of what happened; We all gathered in George's camp for a really good=20 dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this his name = will come to me.=20 Roast chickens and a really good stew. After dinner there was a = brief=20 "meeting" discussing a few points of business, including: - The formation of new groups in Portland Oregon=20 and Ohio - Combat authorizations - The idea was put forth for a NA Authenticity=20 Officer. I volunteered. Don't know/remember if we decided on=20 anything. - George presented a sword to =C6dwen, Group leader=20 for Winmerestow=20 - More talk about a Regia NA event. There is=20 one in the works for next may. Details to follow. We then went around the table, intoducing ourselves=20 and our guests. Roland gave a bit of a speech and then, as he had = other=20 commitments and had to get going we broke and spent the rest of = the evening=20 sitting around the fire and chatting. Pretty laid back all in=20 all. I will admit that I spent too much time in the sun=20 and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure that I remember = everything,=20 but those are the big points as I recall. Chris P.S. - When Mark and I were at Pim Hill this year,=20 I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on a bit of a = tight=20 schedule that weekend.. Hope to have another chance in the near=20 future. style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=20 Is there going to be any type of formal report on what happened = at the=20 Regia NA meeting at Pennsic? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C39328.2B4409C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Chris--
 
Please keep us posted on this. =20 Thanks!
--charlotte mayhew
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris Kerr=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 = 9:53=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Spring = event WAS -=20 Pennsic Meeting

NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL AS OF=20 YET!!!!!!!!
 
I haden't really planned to put this = out yet, but=20 there are plans underway for the first Regia event in NA for next = Memorial day=20 weekend.  The event will be held near St. Catherines Ontario, = just north=20 of the New York state border.  The site is VERY easily accessable = from=20 the US, about 30 minutes from the border.  Winmerestow will be = hosting=20 the event, which will take its form from the Pim Hill training weekend = which=20 is the only Regia event that any of us have attended.  For all = you=20 fighter types, Mark Patchett and I will be conducting training and = there will=20 be plenty of opportunity to come out and swing for those who want = to. =20 There will also be a large LHE setup and I will be approaching a = couple of=20 groups that I know that have boats to do a bit of sailing/rowing on = the=20 river.  Like I said, none of this is official, but you can be = fairly sure=20 of the date if you want to start making plans to attend.  = Invitations=20 will be going out to all Regia groups/members in NA as well as other = groups=20 that I know of who share our interest as soon as we have the details = hammered=20 out.  When you recieve your invite, you will also get the contact = info=20 for the private site with all the details.  This site will = be=20 updated regularly.   
 
For more info, please contact me off = the list at=20 ckerr@spectranet.ca
 
Chris Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, = 2003 7:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] = Pennsic=20 Meeting

Silly me...you are that Chris!  Thanks for the update...just = want to=20 stay as informed as possible, as I didn't get a chance to go to = Pennsic (not=20 sure if I would want to anyway :o) !) 

I know it's a bit of a far piece, but I am trying to get together = some of=20 the members here, and you all are welcome to come...I can provide=20 transportation if by air, and there is lots of space.

I would love to see something put on for us...wouldn't May be a = bit hot,=20 and was a location bantered about?

Bill



Message=20 date : Oct 14 2003, 10:41 PM
From : Chris Kerr=20
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :=20
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Pennsic Meeting







Bill:

 

There were no formal minutes = taken, however=20 here's
my account of what happened;

 

We all gathered in George's camp = for a really=20 good
dinner cooked by........ I know as soon as I send this = his name=20 will come to me.
Roast chickens and a really good stew.  = After=20 dinner there was a brief
"meeting" discussing a few points of=20 business, including:

 

- The formation of new groups in = Portland=20 Oregon
and Ohio

- Combat = authorizations

- The idea was put forth for a NA = Authenticity
Officer.  I volunteered.  Don't = know/remember=20 if we decided on
anything.

- George presented a sword to = =C6dwen, Group=20 leader
for Winmerestow

- More talk about a Regia NA = event. =20 There is
one in the works for next may.  Details to=20 follow.

 

We then went around the table, = intoducing=20 ourselves
and our guests.  Roland gave a bit of a speech = and=20 then, as he had other
commitments and had to get going we = broke and=20 spent the rest of the evening
sitting around the fire and=20 chatting.  Pretty laid back all in
all.

 

I will admit that I spent too = much time in=20 the sun
and drank a few too many beers, so I can't be sure = that I=20 remember everything,
but those are the big points as I=20 recall.

 

Chris

 

P.S. - When Mark and I were at = Pim Hill this=20 year,
I had a brief chance to talk to you, but we were all on = a bit of=20 a tight
schedule that weekend..  Hope to have another = chance in=20 the near
future.

style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20 MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px">=20
Is there going to be any type of formal report on what = happened at=20 the
Regia NA meeting at Pennsic?

=

Bill


------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C39328.2B4409C0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 20:13:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: Gee, who might that be? ;) On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a >Regia NA member's e-group??? _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 15 21:43:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: <8517866.1066250582746.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> ------=_Part_13052_31466646.1066250582743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a = posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK= and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? Bill Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM=20 >From : Douglas Sunlin=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 Gee, who might that be? ;)=20 On manr=E6den,=20 Osweald of Baldurstrand=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20 http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20 >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20 >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)=20 >=20 >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a= =20 >Regia NA member's e-group???=20 _________________________________________________________________=20 Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed=20 Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.=20 https://broadband.msn.com=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_13052_31466646.1066250582743 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Was that you Doug?  All I can remember was that there was a website= with a posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I lef= t the UK and was wanting to get back access.  Is there a link?

Bill



Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM
From : Douglas Sunl= in
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Su= bject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
Gee, who might that be? ;)=



On manr=E6den,
Osweald of Baldurstrand
http://grou= ps.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities.com/baldu= rstrand/





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>Date: Tue, 14 Oct = 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)
>
>In the deep recesses of my seni= lity, I somewhat remember that there was a
>Regia NA member's e-grou= p???

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------=_Part_13052_31466646.1066250582743-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 11:53:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group References: Message-ID: <001b01c393d3$b891eee0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Is that not what we are here? Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 01:29:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? On manr?en, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM >From : Douglas Sunlin >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > >On manr?en, >Osweald of Baldurstrand >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >https://broadband.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 02:47:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:47:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_14671_26218954.1066268866692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope Jennifer and Doug, I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the public...only for Regia NA members. Had a place to post messages, files and such. Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites before leaving the UK. Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!) Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM >From : Douglas Sunlin To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? On manr?en, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM >From : Douglas Sunlin >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > >On manr?en, >Osweald of Baldurstrand >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >https://broadband.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_14671_26218954.1066268866692 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nope Jennifer and Doug,

I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the = public...only for Regia NA members.  Had a place to post messages, fil= es and such.  Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites= before leaving the UK.

Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports = for his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing f= rom the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!= )



Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM
From : Douglas Sunl= in
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Su= bject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
Nope, sorry Bill. Cali= fornia Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you
thinking of the = regular RANA mailing list?



On manr?en,
Osweald of Baldu= rstrand
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://= www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/





>From: VIKING@in= thedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To: = list-regia-na@lig.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-g= roup
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
>
>= Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a <= BR>>posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left= the UK
>and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link?
&g= t;Bill
>
>
>
>
>Message date : Oct 15 20= 03, 08:14 PM
>From : Douglas Sunlin
>To : list-regia-na@lig.n= et
>Copy to :
>Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=
>Gee, who might that be? ;)
>
>
>
>On m= anr?en,
>Osweald of Baldurstrand
>http://groups.yahoo.com/gro= up/California_Viking_Age
>http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >
>
>
>
>
> >From: VIKING@intheda= nelaw.fsnet.co.uk
> >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >= ;To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e= -group
> >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)
> &= gt;
> >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember t= hat there was a
> >Regia NA member's e-group???
>
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------=_Part_14671_26218954.1066268866692-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 05:09:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (TGS) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:09:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group In-Reply-To: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016000536.02f04390@mail.idlh.net> --=====================_756450==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Guys, I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air. I was away for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds. Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects. 1. The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on their way to you). 2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system I found. It will do anything we want. I need help with artwork. Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help a month or so ago? 3. The handbook. Whew. The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything was ok. There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed to. How's that? Tom At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Nope Jennifer and Doug, > >I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the >public...only for Regia NA members. Had a place to post messages, files >and such. Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites before >leaving the UK. > >Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his >brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from the >move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!) > > > >Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM > From : Douglas Sunlin >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you >thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? > > > >On manr?en, >Osweald of Baldurstrand >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a > >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK > >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? > >Bill > > > > > > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM > >From : Douglas Sunlin > >To : list-regia-na@lig.net > >Copy to : > >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > > > > > >On manr?en, > >Osweald of Baldurstrand > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a > > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > >_________________________________________________________________ >Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in >enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! >http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na --=====================_756450==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Guys,
I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air.  I was away for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds.  Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects.
1.  The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on their way to you).
2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system I found.  It will do anything we want.  I need help with artwork.  Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help a month or so ago?
3. The handbook.

Whew.

The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything was ok.  There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed to.

How's that?

Tom

At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote:

Nope Jennifer and Doug,

I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the public...only for Regia NA members.  Had a place to post messages, files and such.  Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites before leaving the UK.

Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!)



Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM
From : Douglas Sunlin
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you
thinking of the regular RANA mailing list?



On manr?en,
Osweald of Baldurstrand
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/





>From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
>
>Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a
>posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK
>and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link?
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM
>From : Douglas Sunlin
>To : list-regia-na@lig.net
>Copy to :
>Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
>Gee, who might that be? ;)
>
>
>
>On manr?en,
>Osweald of Baldurstrand
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
>http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
> >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
> >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a
> >Regia NA member's e-group???
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed
>Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.
>https://broadband.msn.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>list-regia-na mailing list
>list-regia-na@lig.net
>http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na

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--=====================_756450==.ALT-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 05:25:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (TGS) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016000536.02f04390@mail.idlh.net> References: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016002417.024e85c0@mail.idlh.net> --=====================_1728040==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed PS I'm getting over 200 Regia related emails a day! So I think I'm missing important stuff. If you need to contact me directly, use this address: tom@idlh.org Thanks, Tom At 12:09 AM 10/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Guys, >I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air. I was away >for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds. Plus >I've been working on 3 regia related projects. >1. The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on their >way to you). >2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system >I found. It will do anything we want. I need help with artwork. Don't >all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help a >month or so ago? >3. The handbook. > >Whew. > >The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything was >ok. There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed to. > >How's that? > >Tom > >At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >>Nope Jennifer and Doug, >> >>I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the >>public...only for Regia NA members. Had a place to post messages, files >>and such. Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites >>before leaving the UK. >> >>Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his >>brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from >>the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!) >> >> >> >>Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM >> From : Douglas Sunlin >>To : list-regia-na@lig.net >>Copy to : >>Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >>Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you >>thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? >> >> >>On manr?en, >>Osweald of Baldurstrand >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >>http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >> >> >> >> >> >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >> >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) >> > >> >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a >> >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left >> the UK >> >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? >> >Bill >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM >> >From : Douglas Sunlin >> >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >> >Copy to : >> >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >> >Gee, who might that be? ;) >> > >> > >> > >> >On manr?en, >> >Osweald of Baldurstrand >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age >> >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >> > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >> > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) >> > > >> > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there >> was a >> > >Regia NA member's e-group??? >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >> >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >> >https://broadband.msn.com >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >list-regia-na mailing list >> >list-regia-na@lig.net >> >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in >>enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! >>http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es >>_______________________________________________ >>list-regia-na mailing list >>list-regia-na@lig.net >>http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na --=====================_1728040==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" PS
I'm getting over 200 Regia related emails a day!  So I think I'm missing important stuff.  If you need  to contact me directly, use this address: tom@idlh.org

Thanks,
Tom

At 12:09 AM 10/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Guys,
I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air.  I was away for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds.  Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects.
1.  The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on their way to you).
2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system I found.  It will do anything we want.  I need help with artwork.  Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help a month or so ago?
3. The handbook.

Whew.

The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything was ok.  There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed to.

How's that?

Tom

At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote:

Nope Jennifer and Doug,

I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the public...only for Regia NA members.  Had a place to post messages, files and such.  Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites before leaving the UK.

Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!)



Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM
From : Douglas Sunlin
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you
thinking of the regular RANA mailing list?


On manr?en,
Osweald of Baldurstrand
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/




>From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
>
>Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a
>posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK
>and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link?
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM
>From : Douglas Sunlin
>To : list-regia-na@lig.net
>Copy to :
>Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
>Gee, who might that be? ;)
>
>
>
>On manr?en,
>Osweald of Baldurstrand
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
>http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
> >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
> >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a
> >Regia NA member's e-group???
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed
>Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.
>https://broadband.msn.com
>
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--=====================_1728040==.ALT-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 17:51:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:51:16 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group References: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <005901c39405$b7cf9d90$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> There's a Regia [UK] members only list, to which I'm subscribed, but it is mostly LHE events & movie calls, etc. The RANA website has been dead, but am hoping it is soon to be alive & kicking again... didn't someone mention that? Yrs, Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 12:20:53 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Joy Cain) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016000536.02f04390@mail.idlh.net> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1--50775856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That would be me, Joy. My email addy is jcain@insight.rr.com Joy On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 12:09 AM, TGS wrote: > Hi Guys, > I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air.=A0 I was=20= > away for more than a week three months straight, and things got=20 > behinds.=A0 Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects. > 1.=A0 The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on = their=20 > way to you). > 2. A members only website based on a really cool content management=20 > system I found.=A0 It will do anything we want.=A0 I need help with=20 > artwork.=A0 Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the = note=20 > offering to help a month or so ago? > 3. The handbook. > > Whew. > > The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything=20= > was ok.=A0 There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be=20= > subscribed to. > > How's that? > > Tom > > At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: > > Nope Jennifer and Doug, > > I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to = the=20 > public...only for Regia NA members.=A0 Had a place to post messages,=20= > files and such.=A0 Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my=20 > favorites before leaving the UK. > > Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his=20= > brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from=20= > the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever = irked!) > > > > Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM > =46rom : Douglas Sunlin > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group.=20= > Are you > thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? > > > > On manr?en, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website=20 > with a > >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left=20= > the UK > >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? > >Bill > > > > > > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM > >=46rom : Douglas Sunlin > >To : list-regia-na@lig.net > >Copy to : > >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > > > > > >On manr?en, > >Osweald of Baldurstrand > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there=20= > was a > > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with=20 > high-speed > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to=20 > sign in > enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > --Apple-Mail-1--50775856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 That would be me, Joy. My email addy is jcain@insight.rr.com Joy On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 12:09 AM, TGS wrote: Hi Guys, I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air.=A0 I was away for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds.=A0 Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects. 1.=A0 The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on their way to you). 2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system I found.=A0 It will do anything we want.=A0 I need help with artwork.=A0 Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help a month or so ago? 3. The handbook. Whew. The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought everything was ok.=A0 There is a members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed to. How's that? Tom At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: Nope Jennifer and Doug, I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to the public...only for Regia NA members.=A0 Had a place to post messages, files and such.=A0 Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my favorites before leaving the UK. Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever irked!) Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM =46rom : Douglas Sunlin To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. Are you thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? On manr?en, Osweald of Baldurstrand = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gro= up/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website with a >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left the UK >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM >=46rom : Douglas Sunlin >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > >On manr?en, >Osweald of Baldurstrand = >1999,1999,FFFFhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gr= oup/California_Viking_Age = >1999,1999,FFFFhttp:/= /www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there was a > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. = >1999,1999,FFFFhttps://broadband.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net = >1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.lig.net/mailman= /listinfo/list-regia-na = ______________________________________________________= ___________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3D= features/es _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.lig.net/mailman/= listinfo/list-regia-na = --Apple-Mail-1--50775856-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 14:42:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (DON HARRINGTON) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: >From: TGS >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:09:18 -0400 [snip] >2. A members only website based on a really cool content management system >I found. It will do anything we want. I need help with artwork. Don't >all volunteer at once. I can draw (I did the cover for the SCA Estrella War gatebook this year). What kind of things do you need? Don H. _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 20:20:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group References: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> <5.2.0.9.0.20031016002417.024e85c0@mail.idlh.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C393F8.F8D384D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad to hear you're alive, Tom! ----- Original Message -----=20 Wrom: DOTWFA To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group PS I'm getting over 200 Regia related emails a day! So I think I'm = missing important stuff. If you need to contact me directly, use this = address: tom@idlh.org Thanks, Tom At 12:09 AM 10/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hi Guys, I've been really focused on work and haven't come up for air. I was = away for more than a week three months straight, and things got behinds. = Plus I've been working on 3 regia related projects. 1. The Paint book...(Hazel & Ian, the paint samples should be on = their way to you). 2. A members only website based on a really cool content management = system I found. It will do anything we want. I need help with artwork. = Don't all volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering = to help a month or so ago?=20 3. The handbook. Whew. The list was percolating along ok without me, so I thought = everything was ok. There is a members only mailing list, which Bill = should be subscribed to. How's that? Tom At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you wrote: Nope Jennifer and Doug, I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open = to the public...only for Regia NA members. Had a place to post = messages, files and such. Silly me, I should have copied the URL from = my favorites before leaving the UK. Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for = his brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing = from the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever = irked!) Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM=20 From : Douglas Sunlin=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only = group. Are you=20 thinking of the regular RANA mailing list?=20 On manr?en,=20 Osweald of Baldurstrand=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20 http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20 >Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRES >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)=20 >=20 >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a = website with a=20 >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I = left the UK=20 >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link?=20 >Bill=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM=20 >From : Douglas Sunlin=20 >To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >Copy to :=20 >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 >Gee, who might that be? ;)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >On manr?en,=20 >Osweald of Baldurstrand=20 >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20 >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >Wrom: KPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBG > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20 > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST)=20 > >=20 > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that = there was a=20 > >Regia NA member's e-group???=20 >=20 = >_________________________________________________________________=20 >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with = high-speed=20 >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.=20 >https://broadband.msn.com=20 >=20 >_______________________________________________=20 >list-regia-na mailing list=20 >list-regia-na@lig.net=20 >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na=20 = _________________________________________________________________=20 Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot = to sign in=20 enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today!=20 http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C393F8.F8D384D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glad to hear you're alive, = Tom!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TGS
Sent: Thursday, October 16, = 2003 12:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] = RANA=20 Member's e-group

PS
I'm getting over 200 Regia related emails a = day!  So=20 I think I'm missing important stuff.  If you need  to = contact me=20 directly, use this address: tom@idlh.org

Thanks,
Tom
At=20 12:09 AM 10/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Guys,
I've been = really=20 focused on work and haven't come up for air.  I was away for = more than=20 a week three months straight, and things got behinds.  Plus = I've been=20 working on 3 regia related projects.
1.  The Paint = book...(Hazel=20 & Ian, the paint samples should be on their way to you).
2. A = members=20 only website based on a really cool content management system I = found. =20 It will do anything we want.  I need help with artwork.  = Don't all=20 volunteer at once. Who was it that sent me the note offering to help = a month=20 or so ago?
3. The handbook.

Whew.

The list was = percolating=20 along ok without me, so I thought everything was ok.  There is = a=20 members only mailing list, which Bill should be subscribed = to.

How's=20 that?

Tom

At 03:47 AM 10/16/2003 +0200, you = wrote:

Nope Jennifer and=20 Doug,

I could have sworn someone had put up a website that = wasn't=20 open to the public...only for Regia NA members.  Had a place = to post=20 messages, files and such.  Silly me, I should have copied the = URL=20 from my favorites before leaving the UK.

Bill (who earlier = tonight=20 discovered that one of the supports for his=20 brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing = from the=20 move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever=20 irked!)



Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM=20
From : Douglas Sunlin=20
To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20
Copy to :=20
Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20
Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a = members-only group.=20 Are you=20
thinking of the regular RANA mailing list?


On manr?en,=20
Osweald of Baldurstrand=20
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age=20
http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/=20




>From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk=20
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
>To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
>Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)=20
>=20
>Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was = a=20 website with a=20
>posting ability for members only...and it all happened = before I=20 left the UK=20
>and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link?=20
>Bill=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM=20
>From : Douglas Sunlin=20
>To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20
>Copy to :=20
>Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group=20
>Gee, who might that be? ;)=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C393F8.F8D384D0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 16 22:44:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group In-Reply-To: <25161422.1066268866694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: Well, If it was this; http://www.masspostroad.net/phpBB2/index.php Then I had also sent a message that I was going to deconstruct it=20 because no-one was using it. I just have not gotten round to it. If=20 there is some keen interest I can leave it up for a bit longer to see=20 if it takes off. Also note, there is nothing preventing non-Regia=20 members from subscribing. If this was not it I apologize for the=20 distraction On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 09:47 PM,=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Nope Jennifer and Doug, > > I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to=20 > the public...only for Regia NA members.=A0 Had a place to post = messages,=20 > files and such.=A0 Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my=20 > favorites before leaving the UK. > > Bill (who=A0earlier tonight=A0discovered that one of the supports for = his=20 > brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from=20= > the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever=20 > irked!) > > > > Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM > =46rom : Douglas Sunlin > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group.=20= > Are you > thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? > > > > On manr?en, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website=20 > with a > >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left=20= > the UK > >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? > >Bill > > > > > > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM > >=46rom : Douglas Sunlin > >To : list-regia-na@lig.net > >Copy to : > >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > > > > > >On manr?en, > >Osweald of Baldurstrand > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there=20= > was a > > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with=20 > high-speed > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to=20 > sign in > enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 9 16:47:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] an OTT gown Message-ID: <001201c38e7c$af064b20$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Hi, everyone. I need guidance in making an over the top gown for a masked ball in October. I'm thinking of silk w/ Byzantine inspired roundels along hem & gems on the veil. Your help is greatly appreciated! Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. Wuldor sy urum Drihtne Hælendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda woruld. Amen. "Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world without end, Amen. " From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 00:07:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 Message-ID: <20031016160758.14717.h004.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> >From Roland: I havent been made so welcome for a long time. Pennsic was a blast. I met so many people that I became quite confused as to who was who but my thanks goes out to all who made my trip such a memorable one both by just their honest welcome as by their efforts to ensure that I arrived in one piece. I obviously had many preconceptions as to what Pennsic would be but I was plainly wrong on many counts. My apologies to any who I had made insufficient effort to visit and talk to as well. I had little idea of the protocols that would ensue regarding the nature of visiting royalty. Before I knew it, I was booked to speak to many different people at various meals and parties and if there was another Englishman, I was duty bound to meet them and reassure them that England was still wet and dreary. George and Jeanne and their household were the perfect hosts. Helena, Howie and Karen deserve special mention ( perhaps they were briefed to keep me entertained.). It was good to meet various Regia NA members and others who had an interest, I was honoured to be amongst you all. I will say that all in all especially as you are cut off from the information that we over here take for granted you are doing a great job in getting to grips with the slippery beast that is authenticity. There is a great deal of well made accurate material over there it just seems that as yet the various contacts between suppliers etc that need to be made havent happened. It goes without saying that certain compromises have to be made particularly with regards to wood types and as yet I cant say for certain what could replace what to maintain the qualities of various timbers. You are replete for instance with people who want to weave their own cloth which is just fantastic more power to their elbows its more than I would wish to do, especially as I cant even spin to save my life. You guys ( ladies included ) are so far in excess of where we were when we started out and thats just as it should be. Stand on our shoulders and use our experience to finalise any gaps that there may be. As you tend to be well distanced from each other, you are also more self reliant then we tend to be over here. Hence, you experiment more and try your hand at more tasks that we tend to making you a cross-skilled bunch. On general observation, shoes are one area that you seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come with time. There are shoes makers out there who have just yet to get to grips with period turnshoes. Jeff Fulton deserves a special mention too. He has striven to get his kit and equipment up to speed, in effect, in isolation. This man deserves a huge hug in a very manly sense of course. Sure, there were aspects of his kit that could be better. That goes for me just as it does for him. Ive spent years sewing up leather this and that which is bound to give me an advantage but Jeff has soldiered on and is getting there. I didnt want to end up going through peoples kit before getting an idea of where they were coming from in the first place. As I said previously, we have the info to hand and can say blithely that belts were on the whole quite narrow. If you are unfortunate enough and dont have the reports to hand to give sizes to the finds, then you are in danger of creating objects that are incorrectly sized which was a problem that I heard people report. You are quite simply getting it together. Should you arrive at York for example, then you would fit in very well. Before long, you will become self sufficient in all materials and items there will organically grow people who can readily fire weld tools etc, etc. You have a huge advantage in the skeletal materials department already and pelts. The impression I get is that timber is cheaper as well just as an instance. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 00:11:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Rolland's Letter to the North American's Part 2 Message-ID: <20031016161122.12930.h014.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> >From Roland: I spent a fair bit of time looking at the traders to see what was readily at hand. In doing so I collected some business cards which dont recommend the trader in any way other than as a source, but just indicates that they had this item to hand. My comments are my own and are no way a condemnation. It goes without saying that in most cases they had other materials to hand as well that fell out of my area of expertise. Beads By Sigulf. Richard W Pierson. IN 47906 ( 765 ) 463-4071 karlnar@yahoo.com He makes hand made historically accurate glass beads but it would a good idea to find out how good he is by commissioning some from reports not always so easy as its difficult to render colour of beads in words. Kolls Authentic Kreations. Lord Valdis of Gotland mka Ken Koll. PA 17268 ( 717 ) 762 3878 norseart@comcast.net I hope its the correct guy anyway he carves horn etc. My only criticism is that its too good too deep. His work ( or was it his wife? ) is very good but from a reproduction point of view of original period work it needs tempering. Cats Eye Inc. Anton & Cindy-Doll Skutchan. NE 68505 ( 402 ) 797-2005 catseyeinc@msn.com If you are into fur then visit these chaps. I found some horse cannon bones ( the shin ) to make Viking skates here. They also do plenty of other skeletal bits etc and some of the more scary bits as well. The Amber Fox. Richard C. Fox. MI 48306 ( 248 ) 656-0487 amberfox2000@comcast.net These guys werent alone in providing amber and there was a lot of it about. They also supplied pearls as well. The thing with any of these is that they sold true beads and not the schrapnel that Vikings would have just thrown away. So when you next buy any amber necklaces, just ensure they are true beads ( faceted as well ) and not anything else. Also lean towards true Baltic amber and not the amber that is excavated from the earth which is to the eye somewhat earthy as one might imagine. Thor Thors Hammer. Sean Chappell. NC 27525 ( 919 ) 528-2966. thorthor@mindspring.com This chap is in the early stages of making some really nice silver and brass/bronze hand wrought and hand made jewellery, with the odd cast piece. In my opinion he needs patronising and encouraging with some commissions from documented finds. Silvershell Musical Instruments Albert E Winters. MA 02738 ( 508 ) 748-0331. www.silvershellmusic.com What impressed me was the price of their instruments. Very affordable. They dont do kits so that you can muck it up for yourself, which is a shame. I suspect you may need to be anal about the specification of your order and how you will want your harp etc to be made. The Highland Arms Merchant. CT 06320 ( 860 ) 437-3409. www.sussen.com In the future ( if they are hounded enough ) they hope to get real pattern welded blades made in India. At the moment they have a type of pattern welded blade but its not Viking or Anglo-Saxon in style. Very affordable once again even though its not quite there as yet. Green Mountain Leather Craft. Charles Wright ( Ivar ). VT 05143 ( 802 ) 875-1674. Now I have to admit that I cant recall why I have his card too much beer?? Spotted Pony Traders. Jeff & Cindy Kruger. OH 44641-0277. 1-800-875-6553. www.spottedponytraders.com I have already mislaid their card but I did buy some leather there. They had some very sexy Elk skins and Moose hides. There was a wealth of other bits and bobs as well as antler as well. Glen Cross Pottery. David and Mary Cross ( Foote and Grainne ). Orangeville Ontario. ( 519 ) 941-6048. grainney@sympatico.ca I include these chaps as they did a mean Marg and Rita and did pots as well. Do talk to them about specialist commission Saxon Terracotta ware and what passes for Viking pots, as the Vikings themselves were terrible potters. They also have a kick-ass Saxon Tent. Impedimenta. Our very own Tom Sweeting. ( Snorri ). MD 20770 www.impedimenta.com Tom has been foolish enough to spend all his money by coming this direction to source replicas etc made by artisans in Europe particularly in Denmark. He has an eclectic selection of artefacts and books often in Danish or German ( not even available to us either ) so do brush up on your languages. If you have a craving for something more unusual, contact him. This list is not exhaustive in any way. No one was making Regia style shields for instance and I havent dealt with cloth as the likes of Thora Sharptooth for instance can advise you with a very high degree of expertise, but its a start. Im still here for questions not too non-specific though. Please dont ask Who were the Vikings? as I will be rude and ignore you. Cheers, Roland. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 00:45:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Rolland's Letter to the North American's Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20031016161122.12930.h014.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpa th.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031016194252.025e8c78@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Roland wrote: >Green Mountain Leather Craft. >Charles Wright ( Ivar ). VT 05143 ( 802 ) 875-1674. > >Now I have to admit that I cant recall why I have his >card too much beer?? Well, among other things, Ivar sells a nice variety of soapstone bits which make good raw materials for spindle whorls, moulds, and the like. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 00:48:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Message-ID: <17614017.1066348117742.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_10258_15345807.1066348117740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was it! I was thinking I was going koo-koo there for a bit. Thanks! I even remembered my login and password. :o) Bill Message date : Oct 16 2003, 10:46 PM >From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group Well, If it was this; http://www.masspostroad.net/phpBB2/index.php Then I had also sent a message that I was going to deconstruct it because no-one was using it. I just have not gotten round to it. If there is some keen interest I can leave it up for a bit longer to see if it takes off. Also note, there is nothing preventing non-Regia members from subscribing. If this was not it I apologize for the distraction On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 09:47 PM, VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Nope Jennifer and Doug, > > I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to > the public...only for Regia NA members. Had a place to post messages, > files and such. Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my > favorites before leaving the UK. > > Bill (who earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his > brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from > the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever > irked!) > > > > Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM > From : Douglas Sunlin > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. > Are you > thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? > > > > On manr?en, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website > with a > >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I left > the UK > >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? > >Bill > > > > > > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM > >From : Douglas Sunlin > >To : list-regia-na@lig.net > >Copy to : > >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > > > > > >On manr?en, > >Osweald of Baldurstrand > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that there > was a > > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with > high-speed > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to > sign in > enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_10258_15345807.1066348117740 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That was it!  I was thinking I was going koo-koo there for a bit.&n= bsp; Thanks!  I even remembered my login and password.  :o)

 

Bill



Message date : Oct 16 2003, 10:46 PM
From : Wulfhere se = Treowryhta
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Co= py to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
Well,
If= it was this;

http://www.masspostroad.net/phpBB2/index.php

= Then I had also sent a message that I was going to deconstruct it
becau= se no-one was using it. I just have not gotten round to it. If
there is= some keen interest I can leave it up for a bit longer to see
if it tak= es off. Also note, there is nothing preventing non-Regia
members from s= ubscribing. If this was not it I apologize for the
distraction

=
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 09:47 PM,
VIKING@inthedanelaw.fs= net.co.uk wrote:

> Nope Jennifer and Doug,
>
> I c= ould have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to
> t= he public...only for Regia NA members.  Had a place to post messages, =
> files and such.  Silly me, I should have copied the URL from = my
> favorites before leaving the UK.
>
> Bill (who&nb= sp;earlier tonight discovered that one of the supports for his
>= ; brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing from > the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever > irked!)
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 200= 3, 01:30 AM
> From : Douglas Sunlin
> To : list-regia-na@lig.= net
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's = e-group
> Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-o= nly group.
> Are you
> thinking of the regular RANA mailing l= ist?
>
>
>
> On manr?en,
> Osweald of Ba= ldurstrand
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
>
>
> >
>
> >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
> = >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> >To: list-regia-na@lig.net =
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group
> >= ;Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >Wa= s that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website
> w= ith a
> >posting ability for members only...and it all happened b= efore I left
> the UK
> >and was wanting to get back acces= s. Is there a link?
> >Bill
> >
> >
> = >
> >
> >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM
&g= t; >From : Douglas Sunlin
> >To : list-regia-na@lig.net
&g= t; >Copy to :
> >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-grou= p
> >Gee, who might that be? ;)
> >
> >
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> >On manr?en,
> >Osweald of Baldurstrand
= > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
> >h= ttp://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
> >
> >
> = >
> >
> >
> > >From: VIKING@inthedanela= w.fsnet.co.uk
> > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> &g= t; >To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA= Member's e-group
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (= CEST)
> > >
> > >In the deep recesses of my senil= ity, I somewhat remember that there
> was a
> > >Regia = NA member's e-group???
> >
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------=_Part_10258_15345807.1066348117740-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 01:54:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (JAMES REVELLS) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:54:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Rolland's Letter to the North American's Part 2 References: <20031016161122.12930.h014.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <163e01c39449$3fe03e90$0a00a8c0@olaf> Ivar is an old friend of mine, he is a great source for soapstone, beads & other stuff to make stuff with. He also is very good at making leather bottles & jacks that are usable & appear to be accurate to my limited knowledge. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > Green Mountain Leather Craft. > Charles Wright ( Ivar ). VT 05143 ( 802 ) 875-1674. > > Now I have to admit that I cant recall why I have his > card too much beer?? From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 16:46:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 In-Reply-To: <20031016160758.14717.h004.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <222B3D4A-00B9-11D8-BB82-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> > On general observation, shoes are one area that you > seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come > with time. There are shoes makers out there who have > just yet to get to grips with period turnshoes. > This is an area of interest for me. I made a pair that, from an authenticity standard, might be suspect because the pattern is not from an archaeological find. From a methodology standpoint and certainly appearance, I think I'm good. Keep in mind it's the first pair I've ever made. Jennifer, Care to comment? I sent Jennifer a pair that were undersized for me. If there is a need and it looks like I have a skill set that can help out, I'll be glad to pursue and try to get good shoes out to the populous. In exchange for gold or goods, of course. Regia has a firm grasp on what they like. If someone cares to feed me information on pattern, style and archaeology on the "standard" Regia shoe I can make better decisions faster. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 16:48:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group In-Reply-To: <17614017.1066348117742.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <5F4071AF-00B9-11D8-BB82-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> God be praised! On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:48 PM,=20 VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > That was it!=A0 I was thinking I was going koo-koo there for a bit.=A0=20= > Thanks!=A0 I even remembered my login and password.=A0 :o) > > =A0 > > Bill > > > > Message date : Oct 16 2003, 10:46 PM > =46rom : Wulfhere se Treowryhta > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > Well, > If it was this; > > http://www.masspostroad.net/phpBB2/index.php > > Then I had also sent a message that I was going to deconstruct it > because no-one was using it. I just have not gotten round to it. If > there is some keen interest I can leave it up for a bit longer to see > if it takes off. Also note, there is nothing preventing non-Regia > members from subscribing. If this was not it I apologize for the > distraction > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 09:47 PM, > VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > > > Nope Jennifer and Doug, > > > > I could have sworn someone had put up a website that wasn't open to > > the public...only for Regia NA members.=A0 Had a place to post=20 > messages, > > files and such.=A0 Silly me, I should have copied the URL from my > > favorites before leaving the UK. > > > > Bill (who=A0earlier tonight=A0discovered that one of the supports = for his > > brand-new-never-before-used-waited-for-eons Norse tent is missing=20 > from > > the move, along with a tripod and some cauldrons, and is he ever > > irked!) > > > > > > > > Message date : Oct 16 2003, 01:30 AM > > =46rom : Douglas Sunlin > > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > > Copy to : > > Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > Nope, sorry Bill. California Viking Age is not a members-only group. > > Are you > > thinking of the regular RANA mailing list? > > > > > > > > On manr?en, > > Osweald of Baldurstrand > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:43:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > >Was that you Doug? All I can remember was that there was a website > > with a > > >posting ability for members only...and it all happened before I = left > > the UK > > >and was wanting to get back access. Is there a link? > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message date : Oct 15 2003, 08:14 PM > > >=46rom : Douglas Sunlin > > >To : list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Copy to : > > >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > >Gee, who might that be? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > >On manr?en, > > >Osweald of Baldurstrand > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > > >http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > > > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > >Subject: [Regia-NA] RANA Member's e-group > > > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:27:22 +0200 (CEST) > > > > > > > >In the deep recesses of my senility, I somewhat remember that=20 > there > > was a > > > >Regia NA member's e-group??? > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with > > high-speed > > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >list-regia-na mailing list > > >list-regia-na@lig.net > > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to > > sign in > > enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! > > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 16:55:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Was E-Group, Now Bulletin Board Message-ID: <66973622-00BA-11D8-BB82-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Some seeds take a long time to germinate. This is one. I had given it all up for dead. I recommended it for one overwhelming reason. The BB has the advantage of being able to be run from any browser without special software. So, people travelling, relocating or simply getting by with public internet access (i.e. Library, School, Friends house) can use the service. There's a lot of capability there I haven't tapped or researched because it wasn't being used. I'm happy to support it if it's used and not abused. I'll grant it a 3 month stay of execution. If it becomes a viable part of RegiaNA, I'll reconsider and open it to the list and Regia Leadership what it's long term role is. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 18 06:00:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 References: <222B3D4A-00B9-11D8-BB82-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <002b01c39534$d16d11d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> re: Wulfhere's shoes: I love the ones he sent to me. They are really well done & he is good at this. :>) I recommend him heartily! Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 18:11:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 Message-ID: <28925408.1066410714206.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_8368_22988912.1066410714203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Ana is on this e-group...she is a very good shoemaker (although the perfectionist in her makes her be too critical on her results) and good source of info. If you ask nicely, I'm sure she would be happy to answer questions. :o) Ana are you out there? (waves from across The Pond) Bill Message date : Oct 17 2003, 04:47 PM >From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 > On general observation, shoes are one area that you > seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come > with time. There are shoes makers out there who have > just yet to get to grips with period turnshoes. > This is an area of interest for me. I made a pair that, from an authenticity standard, might be suspect because the pattern is not from an archaeological find. From a methodology standpoint and certainly appearance, I think I'm good. Keep in mind it's the first pair I've ever made. Jennifer, Care to comment? I sent Jennifer a pair that were undersized for me. If there is a need and it looks like I have a skill set that can help out, I'll be glad to pursue and try to get good shoes out to the populous. In exchange for gold or goods, of course. Regia has a firm grasp on what they like. If someone cares to feed me information on pattern, style and archaeology on the "standard" Regia shoe I can make better decisions faster. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_8368_22988912.1066410714203 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think Ana is on this e-group...she is a very good shoemaker (although = the perfectionist in her makes her be too critical on her results) and good= source of info.  If you ask nicely, I'm sure she would be happy to an= swer questions.  :o)  Ana are you out there?  (waves from ac= ross The Pond)

Bill



Message date : Oct 17 2003, 04:47 PM
From : Wulfhere se = Treowryhta
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Co= py to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans= Part 1
> On general observation, shoes are one area that you
&g= t; seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come
> with time= . There are shoes makers out there who have
> just yet to get to gri= ps with period turnshoes.
>

This is an area of interest for = me. I made a pair that, from an
authenticity standard, might be suspect= because the pattern is not from
an archaeological find. From a methodo= logy standpoint and certainly
appearance, I think I'm good. Keep in min= d it's the first pair I've
ever made.

Jennifer,

Care to= comment?

I sent Jennifer a pair that were undersized for me. If th= ere is a
need and it looks like I have a skill set that can help out, I= 'll be
glad to pursue and try to get good shoes out to the populous. In=
exchange for gold or goods, of course. Regia has a firm grasp on what =
they like. If someone cares to feed me information on pattern, style and archaeology on the "standard" Regia shoe I can make better
decisi= ons faster.

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list-regia-na@lig.net
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------=_Part_8368_22988912.1066410714203-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 18:44:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Cory Nielsen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:44:54 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 In-Reply-To: <28925408.1066410714206.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> References: <28925408.1066410714206.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <20031017174454.19265.qmail@earth.connect2.com> We also have a professional cobbler here in the Portland group. Of course, he works with modern shoes for a living, but he seems pretty good with turnshoes as well. Because of his work and/or influence, every member of our group has or will soon have hand-made turnshoes. :) Cory VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I think Ana is on this e-group...she is a very good shoemaker (although the perfectionist in her makes her be too critical on her results) and good source of info. If you ask nicely, I'm sure she would be happy to answer questions. :o) Ana are you out there? (waves from across The Pond) > Bill > > > > > Message date : Oct 17 2003, 04:47 PM > From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 >> On general observation, shoes are one area that you >> seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come >> with time. There are shoes makers out there who have >> just yet to get to grips with period turnshoes. >> > > This is an area of interest for me. I made a pair that, from an > authenticity standard, might be suspect because the pattern is not from > an archaeological find. From a methodology standpoint and certainly > appearance, I think I'm good. Keep in mind it's the first pair I've > ever made. > > Jennifer, > > Care to comment? > > I sent Jennifer a pair that were undersized for me. If there is a > need and it looks like I have a skill set that can help out, I'll be > glad to pursue and try to get good shoes out to the populous. In > exchange for gold or goods, of course. Regia has a firm grasp on what > they like. If someone cares to feed me information on pattern, style > and archaeology on the "standard" Regia shoe I can make better > decisions faster. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 20:14:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:14:20 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 Message-ID: Dorian in Oregon does very good work too... On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:11:54 +0200 (CEST) > >I think Ana is on this e-group...she is a very good shoemaker (although the >perfectionist in her makes her be too critical on her results) and good >source of info. If you ask nicely, I'm sure she would be happy to answer >questions. :o) Ana are you out there? (waves from across The Pond) >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 17 2003, 04:47 PM >From : Wulfhere se Treowryhta >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 > > On general observation, shoes are one area that you > > seem to have some difficulty with, but that will come > > with time. There are shoes makers out there who have > > just yet to get to grips with period turnshoes. > > > >This is an area of interest for me. I made a pair that, from an >authenticity standard, might be suspect because the pattern is not from >an archaeological find. From a methodology standpoint and certainly >appearance, I think I'm good. Keep in mind it's the first pair I've >ever made. > >Jennifer, > >Care to comment? > >I sent Jennifer a pair that were undersized for me. If there is a >need and it looks like I have a skill set that can help out, I'll be >glad to pursue and try to get good shoes out to the populous. In >exchange for gold or goods, of course. Regia has a firm grasp on what >they like. If someone cares to feed me information on pattern, style >and archaeology on the "standard" Regia shoe I can make better >decisions faster. > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 20:23:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs Message-ID: A friend of mine posed this question to me earlier this week and so far = I have been unable to locate any info so I thought I'd ask you folks. We have tons of info on saexs during the Vendel period and we have some = limited info on saexs during the Viking Age in the UK but can anyone = site examples of saexs being used in any of the "Viking Age" Norwegian = locales? The reason he asks is that almost every reenactor he knows wants a saex = but what is the precedence for having one? (if your not doing a Vendel = age Swede or "Viking Age" UK portrayal of course) Interesting question actually. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 20:35:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:35:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031017153237.0469d738@mmail> "Schuster, Robert L." wrote: >We have tons of info on saexs during the Vendel period and we have some=20 >limited info on saexs during the Viking Age in the UK but can anyone site= =20 >examples of saexs being used in any of the "Viking Age" Norwegian locales? It seems like there are good examples in the Icelandic literature, but I=20 don't have the references in front of me. For example, didn't Grettir get= =20 his sax K=E1rsnautr from a grave mound in Norway? Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 21:19:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs Message-ID: ah, but when is Grettir's saga dated too, Bill? (a quick net search = doesn't return much that is useful in dating it) with all its parallels to Beowulf I always assumed it was Vendel age-ish not to seem ungrateful for the info (cause I always am grateful when you = all help me) but I am mostly looking for hard evidence, i.e. extant = examples. Halvgrimr -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of William R. Short Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:35 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs "Schuster, Robert L." wrote: >We have tons of info on saexs during the Vendel period and we have some = >limited info on saexs during the Viking Age in the UK but can anyone = site=20 >examples of saexs being used in any of the "Viking Age" Norwegian = locales? It seems like there are good examples in the Icelandic literature, but I = don't have the references in front of me. For example, didn't Grettir = get=20 his sax K=E1rsnautr from a grave mound in Norway? Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 17 18:18:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Roland's Letter to the North Americans Part 1 In-Reply-To: <28925408.1066410714206.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> References: <28925408.1066410714206.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031017131611.0466a4d0@mmail> VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk wrote: >I think Ana is on this e-group...she is a very good shoemaker I'll second that. I am very pleased with the shoes I've received from her. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 18 14:38:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:38:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031018093532.0466fa68@mmail> >ah, but when is Grettir's saga dated too, Bill? Again, I don't have references in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it takes place in the 10th century. >but I am mostly looking for hard evidence, i.e. extant examples. I can't help there. All the saxes I've examined closely predate the Viking age. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 18 16:06:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Robert Woodman) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:06:58 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] "Viking Age" Norwegian Saexs Message-ID: >>ah, but when is Grettir's saga dated too, Bill? > >Again, I don't have references in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it takes >place in the 10th century. But when was it written? most Sagas are from well after the viking age > >>but I am mostly looking for hard evidence, i.e. extant examples. > >I can't help there. All the saxes I've examined closely predate the Viking >age. I think that is his point, most Viking reenactors carry them but there is no real evidence that it was a common -or even uncommon-- Viking tool. _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 03:46:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Attila Movie Monday at 8 pm. Message-ID: <3F934C87.8050304@bellsouth.net> Attila tomorrow nite at 8pm eastern standard time on the movie channel. Apparently they actually built fortress walls without mortar, or so we see on the History Channel. Didn't see any mortar at all when the catapult ball hit the wall turret and it fell like a house of cards. Probably not very historically correct, but a bit interesting. At least one can recognize the stars this time. This is a re-run from about a year ago btw. It was a bit more interesting than The Real Attila that ran a couple of weeks ago. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 11:09:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:09:44 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? In-Reply-To: <163e01c39449$3fe03e90$0a00a8c0@olaf> References: <20031016161122.12930.h014.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> <163e01c39449$3fe03e90$0a00a8c0@olaf> Message-ID: <1066644584.3f93b468f34d1@webmail.usask.ca> Hey all I have a number of images from an Anglo Saxon manuscript... problem is they are only labellad "Cott. MS." Can anyone tell me what this abbreviation stands for, and assign a century or exact date to this manuscript? Thanks in advance, ~Wil From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 13:33:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:33:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? Message-ID: <26981563.1066653194181.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_5379_9217245.1066653194179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Wil, That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS = manuscript...MSS = manuscripts...and Cott = Cotton). These were manuscripts originally collected by Sir Robert Cotton. His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc. So you manuscript should also have another name and number associated with it, as well as a "folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is made, i.e. Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v Bill Message date : Oct 20 2003, 11:10 AM >From : wjy851@mail.usask.ca To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? Hey all I have a number of images from an Anglo Saxon manuscript... problem is they are only labellad "Cott. MS." Can anyone tell me what this abbreviation stands for, and assign a century or exact date to this manuscript? Thanks in advance, ~Wil _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_5379_9217245.1066653194179 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Wil,

That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS = manuscript...MSS = manuscripts...and Cott  = Cotton).  These were manuscripts originally collected by Sir Robert Cotton.  His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc.  So you manuscript should also have another name and number associated with it, as well as a "folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is made, i.e. Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v

Bill



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Subject : [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts?
Hey all

I have a number of images from an Anglo Saxon manuscript... problem is they are
only labellad "Cott. MS."

Can anyone tell me what this abbreviation stands for, and assign a century or
exact date to this manuscript? Thanks in advance,

~Wil

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------=_Part_5379_9217245.1066653194179-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 14:54:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:54:52 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? References: <26981563.1066653194181.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <00b101c39711$bc316da0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3971A.1DC37B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...his collection (now in the BM) A large number of his manuscripts were destroyed by fire before the = remnants were removed. ...includes a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, = Tiberius, etc. The manuscripts have these names because they were kept on shelves on = which were busts of the above named...Vespasian...etc Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3971A.1DC37B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...his collection (now in the BM)
 
A large number of his = manuscripts=20 were destroyed by fire before the remnants were removed.
 
 ...includes a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, = Vespasian,=20 Tiberius, etc.
The manuscripts have these names because they = were kept=20 on shelves on which were busts of the above = named...Vespasian...etc
 
  Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3971A.1DC37B00-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 15:46:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:46:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Qualifying a sword Message-ID: <4291E2CC-030C-11D8-9CCB-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> What is the process for qualifying a sword for combat? Is there some standard tests for blade durability or perhaps a specified steel? I'm thinking that nickel alloy carbon steel used for saw blades would be fantastic in the right thickness. Very stiff but it will bend before breaking. I sincerely don't want to "pick anyones pocket" but for those of us in the states, getting good practice/combat blades is a frightfully expensive process. I have a close friend who owns his own machine shop and my company has a 2200watt CO2 laser that can cut steel up to 1/2" thick with very little disruption to the metal structure. I priced M2, which is one of the more expensive alloys I have seen, and it's still less than $50 for a blade. Any help, greatly appreciated. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 16:15:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:15:01 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Qualifying a sword References: <4291E2CC-030C-11D8-9CCB-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <006801c3971c$eeb6ed30$ad702052@kim1> The material we have long recommended for combat swords blades is commercial quality spring steel, hardened at 900c and tempered between 490c and 510c. It is the steel used for automotive leaf springs, so is very widely available. Any sword blade made in this way should be able to spring back to its original straightness when bend tested BY HAND. If it does not - or the vendor will not let you try! - don't buy it. There may be better steels now available, but they must be compatible with the earlier standard and the steel must be readily available commercially from outlets in most big cities. You might like to know that wedge section spring steel (such as we use for scramsaex blades) is used by agricultural and civil engineering plant repairers as edging material for digger buckets. Regards, Kim Siddorn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wulfhere se Treowryhta" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Qualifying a sword > What is the process for qualifying a sword for combat? Is there some > standard tests for blade durability or perhaps a specified steel? I'm > thinking that nickel alloy carbon steel used for saw blades would be > fantastic in the right thickness. Very stiff but it will bend before > breaking. > > > I sincerely don't want to "pick anyones pocket" but for those of us > in the states, getting good practice/combat blades is a frightfully > expensive process. I have a close friend who owns his own machine shop > and my company has a 2200watt CO2 laser that can cut steel up to 1/2" > thick with very little disruption to the metal structure. I priced M2, > which is one of the more expensive alloys I have seen, and it's still > less than $50 for a blade. > > Any help, greatly appreciated. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 16:17:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Allan McVie) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:17:38 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Qualifying a sword In-Reply-To: <4291E2CC-030C-11D8-9CCB-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031020160411.0274f630@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> At 10:46 20/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >What is the process for qualifying a sword for combat? Is there some >standard tests for blade durability or perhaps a specified steel? I'm >thinking that nickel alloy carbon steel used for saw blades would be >fantastic in the right thickness. Very stiff but it will bend before breaking. > > > I sincerely don't want to "pick anyones pocket" but for those of us in > the states, getting good practice/combat blades is a frightfully > expensive process. I have a close friend who owns his own machine shop > and my company has a 2200watt CO2 laser that can cut steel up to 1/2" > thick with very little disruption to the metal structure. I priced M2, > which is one of the more expensive alloys I have seen, and it's still > less than $50 for a blade. > > Any help, greatly appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na Hi I think the MAA is on this list so should be able to help out. I have cut and pasted some bits of the MAA regs which may help you out in the mean time. Most UK swords are made from spring steel refered to as EN45 over here Allan >5. SOME NOTES ON '' SPRING >STEEL '' >Without a large and expensive laboratory, it is almost >impossible to determine or categorise the exact grades of >steel that have been used in the construction of a weapon. >We allow some weapons to be made from mild steel. This >is fairly easy to spot as, generally, it dents and burrs >readily and will bend and stay set to that bend. Other >weapons we insist are made from "spring steel". EN42, >EN45, case hardening and other terms abound, and very >few people have any idea what they are or what they >mean. It is easy to accept the reply "oh it's spring", when >we ask a manufacturer what he has made a weapon from. >What is needed is a test of whether a weapon is suitable >for re-enactment purposes, and the approved method for >testing a suspect item will be as follows: >5.1 BENDING TEST >When a bending load is applied, a blade should take up >the load progressively without yield or set. The deflection >of the blade should be proportional to the varying load >applied to it (a slight variation on Hooke's Law). When >the load is released, the blade should spring quickly back >to its original state, exhibiting no evidence of deformation. >Page 13Page 13 >X >< 1/2 Y >X > > 1/2 Y >The depth of the notch >(X) >Must NOT be greater >than half the width of >the notch >(Y) >5.2 NOTCH HARDNESS ( STRIKE ) TEST >Figure 2: The Strike Test >When the edge of a blade is struck with reasonable force >by the edge of another blade of known and approved >properties, the edge of the struck blade should not show >excessive burring or chipping. On inspection of any notch >produced in the struck blade, the depth of the notch >should not exceed more than half of the width of the >notch. (See fig.2) >These tests will not normally be carried out at regular kit >checks but are provided merely as a guide. Obviously, >they may be carried out by the M.A.A. or one of his >appointed deputies on any weapon believed to be of >suspicious construction. >NOTE >Pattern welded or leaf welded blades may be considered >to be a "composite spring" steel and although >these blades will all be judged on their own merit, the >above tests may be applied to determine their suitability >for re-enactment use. >Y >Page 14Page 14 >6. M MANDATORY ANDATORY RULINGS ULINGS FOR >ALL LL WEAPONS EAPONS >1) All weapon blades, tangs and sockets must be made >from steel. They must be rust and burr free and must be of >good overall construction and condition. >2) All weapons edges must be no less than 3mm (1/8") >and no more than 5mm (1/5") in thickness. In cross section, >the edge may be rounded or round shouldered but >must not be square edged (fig.3). The edges of a weapon >must include its cutting surface and its back edges also. >Sword7Sword.3 S SWORDS WORDS >1) Blade length : 560mm - 915mm >(22" - 36") >2) Maximum weight: 2.27 Kg >(5 lb) >NOTES >i) All blades must have a fuller on both sides of not >less than 1/3 the total width of the blade. This fuller >should not be square shouldered. >ii) Blades should taper evenly from crossguard to tip. >iii) The handgrip of the sword from crossguard to >pommel should not exceed the width of the user's gloved >hand by more than 25mm (1" ). >iv) Rarer patterns of swords (Norwegian single edged >etc) will be judged on an individual basis. (See Section 3 >M.A.A Kit Specs). >Page 19Page 19 From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 17:24:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:24:00 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? References: <26981563.1066653194181.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <004b01c39726$9b939e00$1b5e6451@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3972E.F33D0C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill wrote... >That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS =3D manuscript...MSS =3D = manuscripts...and Cott =3D Cotton). These were manuscripts originally = collected by Sir Robert Cotton. His collection (now in the BM) includes = a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc. So = you manuscript should also have another name and number associated with = it, as well as a "folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the = reference is made, i.e. Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v=20 For clarification, Sir Robert Cotton kept the manucripts in bookcases, = and on top of each bookcase he had a bust of a Roman emperor. Thus, when = he came to index his manuscripts, he listed them first by which bookcase = they were in - identified by whose bust was on the relevant bookcase - = then which section of the bookcase, which shelf, etc, etc. Oh yes - and BM - short for British Museum. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3972E.F33D0C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill wrote...
>That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS =3D manuscript...MSS =3D = manuscripts...and=20 Cott  =3D Cotton).  These were manuscripts originally = collected by Sir=20 Robert Cotton.  His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot = of the=20 famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc.  So you = manuscript=20 should also have another name and number associated with it, as well as = a=20 "folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is = made, i.e.=20 Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v
 
For clarification, Sir Robert Cotton = kept the=20 manucripts in bookcases, and on top of each bookcase he had a bust of a = Roman=20 emperor. Thus, when he came to index his manuscripts, he listed them = first by=20 which bookcase they were in - identified by whose bust was on the = relevant=20 bookcase - then which section of the bookcase, which shelf, etc,=20 etc.
 
Oh yes - and BM - short for British=20 Museum.
 
Chris.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3972E.F33D0C60-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 18:38:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? Message-ID: <10682578.1066671488369.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_10052_12440551.1066671488366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had forgotten all about how the emperors had became associated with the naming process...what a cool quirk to the story. :o) Bill Message date : Oct 20 2003, 05:25 PM >From : Chris Boulton To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? Bill wrote... >That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS = manuscript...MSS = manuscripts...and Cott = Cotton). These were manuscripts originally collected by Sir Robert Cotton. His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot of the famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc. So you manuscript should also have another name and number associated with it, as well as a "folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is made, i.e. Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v For clarification, Sir Robert Cotton kept the manucripts in bookcases, and on top of each bookcase he had a bust of a Roman emperor. Thus, when he came to index his manuscripts, he listed them first by which bookcase they were in - identified by whose bust was on the relevant bookcase - then which section of the bookcase, which shelf, etc, etc. Oh yes - and BM - short for British Museum. Chris. ------=_Part_10052_12440551.1066671488366 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I had forgotten all about how the emperors had became associated with the naming process...what a cool quirk to the story.  :o)

Bill



Message date : Oct 20 2003, 05:25 PM
From : Chris Boulton
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts?







Bill wrote...

>That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS = manuscript...MSS = manuscripts...and
Cott  = Cotton).  These were manuscripts originally collected by Sir
Robert Cotton.  His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot of the
famous manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc.  So you manuscript
should also have another name and number associated with it, as well as a
"folio" number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is made, i.e.
Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v

 

For clarification, Sir Robert Cotton kept the
manucripts in bookcases, and on top of each bookcase he had a bust of a Roman
emperor. Thus, when he came to index his manuscripts, he listed them first by
which bookcase they were in - identified by whose bust was on the relevant
bookcase - then which section of the bookcase, which shelf, etc,
etc.

 

Oh yes - and BM - short for British
Museum.

 

Chris.

 

 

------=_Part_10052_12440551.1066671488366-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 19:28:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Pete James Message-ID: <5751300.1066674489432.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_10419_17894575.1066674489430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could Pete James please contact me off list at vinlander@cableone.net Bill ------=_Part_10419_17894575.1066674489430 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Could Pete James please contact me off list at vinlander@cableone.net

Bill

------=_Part_10419_17894575.1066674489430-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 19:38:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword steel Message-ID: <20031020183819.7848.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Over here in the states the steel most often used for springs is 5160. For swords it makes an excellent blade but before you run out and get an old leaf spring off of the chevy in the back lot you should know that old car springs may have micro fractures which would be very bad for a sword. It is best to get it new. I've also seen 1085, 1095 and even O1 used for swords. I have heard the some makers have been using some of the air quenched alloys but have not seen an actual blade. Here's a source for new blade material. http://www.admiralsteel.com/products/blades.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 20 19:58:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? Message-ID: I believe the reason the names of Roman emperors are attached is that the manuscripts were shelved under busts of these ancient notables, hence the system... On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:33:14 +0200 (CEST) > >Hi Wil, >That is a Cotton Manuscript (MS = manuscript...MSS = manuscripts...and Cott > = Cotton). These were manuscripts originally collected by Sir Robert >Cotton. His collection (now in the BM) includes a lot of the famous >manuscripts: Julius, Vespasian, Tiberius, etc. So you manuscript should >also have another name and number associated with it, as well as a "folio" >number to indicate where in the manuscript the reference is made, i.e. >Cotton Nero D.iv, f. 210v >Bill > > > > >Message date : Oct 20 2003, 11:10 AM >From : wjy851@mail.usask.ca >To : list-regia-na@lig.net >Copy to : >Subject : [Regia-NA] Anglo Saxon Manuscripts? >Hey all > >I have a number of images from an Anglo Saxon manuscript... problem is they >are >only labellad "Cott. MS." > >Can anyone tell me what this abbreviation stands for, and assign a century >or >exact date to this manuscript? Thanks in advance, > >~Wil > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 03:44:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:44:32 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] New photos of the Longhall roof lift. References: Message-ID: <02ea01c3977d$41fef540$ad702052@kim1> I've put up forty new photos this morning. As yet uncaptioned, they show the roof lift that took place on Saturday last. http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 06:24:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Knight) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. Message-ID: Hello all, I am planing on making three tunics, two in linen and one in wool. the linen ones will be based on a find thought to be from around 8th-10th century Birka. The wool one will be based on a find from 10th century Hedeby. I wish to entirely hand stitch all of them in linen and woolen thread. I have looked around online and it seems that flatfelled seams were used for undertunics and lighter materials, where as thicker wools were sewn with french seams. How does this idea sit with the more knowlegable folks out there? and wouldent sewing a french seam be twice the sewing? One more thing ( im nearly too emberassed to ask) at recent sca event (this is not a bash at the sca!) a woman selling material informed my friend who in turn informed me that during the early middle ages people did not hem the the edges of their garments....I told him that it smelled like utter BS to me, Do any of you out there know if there is truth in this? Thanks. Chris Knight _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 08:30:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:30:27 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. References: Message-ID: <001901c397a5$34722640$6f348751@m1w9d8> I'll help where I can...personally I cheat (5 sets of kit for Viking plus saxon and norman and anju last year means that my long seams are done by machine:) either flat or french seams are fine..(hazel can give you al the research) It is twice the work to french seam but worth it. I don't remember anything about the different cloths having different seams though..thought it was more personal choice As far as we know all hems were hemmed. this might be the only piece of cloth you get for years..would you want it to fray? that piece of BS sounds like it was straight from hollywood along with horns on helms and women who wouldn't say boo to a goose.:) The only thing I can think is that selvaged edges don't need hemming hope this helps vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knight" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. > Hello all, > > I am planing on making three tunics, two in linen and one in wool. the > linen ones will be based on a find thought to be from around 8th-10th > century Birka. The wool one will be based on a find from 10th century > Hedeby. I wish to entirely hand stitch all of them in linen and woolen > thread. > > I have looked around online and it seems that flatfelled seams were used > for undertunics and lighter materials, where as thicker wools were sewn with > french seams. How does this idea sit with the more knowlegable folks out > there? and wouldent sewing a french seam be twice the sewing? > > One more thing ( im nearly too emberassed to ask) at recent sca event > (this is not a bash at the sca!) a woman selling material informed my friend > who in turn informed me that during the early middle ages people did not hem > the the edges of their garments....I told him that it smelled like utter BS > to me, Do any of you out there know if there is truth in this? > > Thanks. > > Chris Knight > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet > Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 09:11:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jon Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:11:09 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. In-Reply-To: <001901c397a5$34722640$6f348751@m1w9d8> Message-ID: Seams... Linen and silk tend to use an enclosing seam like run and fell - where as wool uses a weak seam that has (normally been hemmed along both edges first (or subsequently)) - It's sometimes known as the Viborg stitch as an example was found there that matched the stitchhole pattern they were finding on other cloth fragments - there is an example below - but its not very clear. I've got more info - but I've got to go to work - I'll try and sort it out tonight - including some of the logic behind the choices which is down to the difference between smooth fibres (linen) and rough fibres (wool). All edges would be hemmed unless selve edges. If the wool had been fulled and there are some examples hems would be less necessary - but even then there are examples of decorative braid attached to the edge of the cloth. This comes from the NFPS section on stitches which is a few years old - and doesn't quite cover all types or which stitch for which cloth - but hope it helps - and not really a french seam among them - although one of the Haitahbu stitchs looks a bit like a french seam. http://www.42nd-dimension.com/NFPS/nfps_stitches.html Jon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 16/10/2003 From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 09:20:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:20:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] New photos of the Longhall roof lift. In-Reply-To: <02ea01c3977d$41fef540$ad702052@kim1> Message-ID: <20031021082007.47472.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1227493951-1066724407=:47360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can only think of one word to sum it all up,WOW! Well done to everyone involved. Regards, Mik J K Siddorn wrote: I've put up forty new photos this morning. As yet uncaptioned, they show the roof lift that took place on Saturday last. http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! 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I can only think of one word to sum it all up,WOW!
Well done to everyone involved.
Regards,
Mik

J K Siddorn <kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've put up forty new photos this morning. As yet uncaptioned, they show the
roof lift that took place on Saturday last.

http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl


Regards,

Kim Siddorn

I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me
than a free frontal lobotomy!


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C397C7.261C49A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 15:57:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021104724.01a85d28@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Chris wrote: > I have looked around online and it seems that flatfelled seams were used > for undertunics and lighter materials, where as thicker wools were sewn > with french seams. The one example of something that's kind of like a "french seam" is a piece from the crotch construction of a pair of trousers at Hedeby. It's a medium kind of wool cloth, not too thick and not too fine. Although similar because they hide seam allowance inside finished areas, none of the Viborg seams is quite the same structurally as this "french seam." >wouldent sewing a french seam be twice the sewing? Yes, but it beats the heck out of blowing a seam out because it ravelled. ;> >a woman selling material informed my friend who in turn informed me that >during the early middle ages people did not hem the the edges of their >garments.... Yeah, and they never washed and all the cloth was burlap. Uh-huh. Suuuuuuure.... ;-P Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 16:37:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. Message-ID: Here's another interesting link: http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/archaeological_sewing.html On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: "Hazel Uzzell" >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:20:51 +0100 > >Can't add much more, except examples of blanket stitch have also been found >on edges. >Hazel > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 21 18:06:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:06:40 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] help with hand stitching. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021130509.01b41df0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Osweald wrote: >Here's another interesting link: >http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/archaeological_sewing.html Ah, excellent! I'd heard this article was webbed but hadn't found out where. Thanks! Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 00:43:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:43:56 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] New pics fully captioned now Message-ID: <01c001c3982d$3166b230$ad702052@kim1> I've now been through all the pictures I put up yesterday with full captions and titles. http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 08:34:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Knight) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:34:28 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] thanks for help with hand stitching. Message-ID: my questions were aswered as well as I had hoped. Now I need to order the fabric and get done in time for ft. macarthur. Thanks everyone. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 14:31:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:31:47 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New pics fully captioned now In-Reply-To: <01c001c3982d$3166b230$ad702052@kim1> Message-ID: <15B7FEA6-0494-11D8-86DF-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Beautiful work! I see it's the exact same roof structure as the Elizabethan cart shed we worked on last spring. I also see you have tarred the bases of the earthfast posts. What is the expected lifetime of those?? Yes, I'm obsessing about the posts. I would love to build my hall on that premise but I hope and pray I'll live another 40 years. I have never seen wood in direct contact with soil survive more than 10 years, even 40cca pressure treated. What's the PH of the soil?? Is that a typical Saxon crane? Looks more Norman to me. Very jealous in Massachusetts. Did I mention it's snowing here already. On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 07:43 PM, J K Siddorn wrote: > I've now been through all the pictures I put up yesterday with full > captions > and titles. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > > I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me > than a free frontal lobotomy! > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 15:21:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light Message-ID: if anyone is interested the English translation of "Seler og sl=E6b I = vikingetid'" by Flemming Bau, published in KUML 1981, p. 13-47 = (translation is p. 40-47) is going to be here (for the day, then I will = take it down) http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/temp/Seler/ Summary Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new = Light Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 15:50:10 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Karen *) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you for this resource! Karen :) ======== "'Cause intensity... it's never really been a problem for me." Karen and Neil's Tree Home on the Web: http://www.treheima.ca From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 16:30:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:30:22 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light Message-ID: is anyone else having trouble viewing the images please let me know if you are. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 16:36:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:36:52 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light References: Message-ID: <007201c398b2$50ee48e0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks so much for that. I wonder if I could try ILL. I would love to see the pictures! Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 16:50:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light Message-ID: for anyone having trouble try this: copy the url from the original message then paste it into a new browser then let me know if it works this way privately is fine I just got a new pc and this all started happening after I got it so = there has to be a setting or something in Outlook that is causing this. = it effects some but not others so I don't even know where to begin = trouble shooting the problem. H > -----Original Message----- > From: Schuster, Robert L. =20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:30 AM > To: 'California_Viking_Age (E-mail)'; 'Kunskapen_Soka (E-mail)'; = 'List-Regia-Us (E-mail)'; 'Newvarangianguard (E-mail)'; 'Norsefolk = (E-mail)'; 'TheManx (E-mail)'; 'The-Vikings-List (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female = Costume in a new Light >=20 >=20 > is anyone else having trouble viewing the images > please let me know if you are. >=20 > Halvgrimr >=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 16:55:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:55:24 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light Message-ID: for all those that asked for it the original article is there now too! H From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 18:56:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) Message-ID: <4881ad81.d6e4c64a.821d100@punts5.cc.uga.edu> >From: "Chris Knight" >One more thing ...a woman selling material informed my >friend who in turn informed me that during the early middle >ages people did not hem the the edges of their garments.... >Do any of you out there know if there is truth in this? It's a misinterpretation or overgeneralization, but not complete BS as it is based on real data. Medieval wool fabric was often fulled -- shrunk and thickened by beating, whacking and otherwise abusing the wet fabric. (Felting is what you do to unconstructed fiber, fulling to constructed - woven, knitted, etc. fiber.) Fulling reduces the wool's ability to fray. If the hem of a garment did not get a lot of stress, either by wearing or by washing, it might not *need* to be hemmed, but it could be. There are plenty of extant examples of hemmed edges throughout the Middle Ages. For example, some of the 14c Greenland hoods were hemmed at the bottom, but at least one was not. However -- remember all those dagged edges in the 14th and 15th centuries? They weren't always lined, faced, edged or otherwise finished off. Sometimes they were just cut out and worn as is, because the fulled wool was resistent to fraying. While web site's focus is on the 14th century, it also has diagrams of some stitches (many hem stitches) taken from Inga Hagg's book on the 9-10c finds from Hedeby, which you may find useful: http://www.damehelen.com/images/Stitchsamples.jpg Note: linen will fray if you just look at it, and you can't full it -- you have to hem it, and it's a good idea to enclose the construction seams, too. The Hedeby stitch diagrams above include some techniques for this too. Sounds like you've got a good project going. Were you planning to pre-wash and dry your wool? If you wash it on the hottest setting, then machine dry it on the hottest setting, you will get some fulling action, and you'll be able to machine wash (cold or warm, gentle cycle) your garment in the future without worrying about shrinkage. (Hang it to dry, however, since dryer heat will shrink it more than wash water heat.) It will also have a less-modern looking finish to it, and it won't look brand spanking new. IMHO. Please send/post photos. -- Tracie From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 21:52:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light References: Message-ID: Wonderful! Thanks so much for posting this! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: DMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALP To: "California_Viking_Age (E-mail)" ; "Kunskapen_Soka (E-mail)" ; "List-Regia-Us (E-mail)" ; "Newvarangianguard (E-mail)" ; "Norsefolk (E-mail)" ; "TheManx (E-mail)" ; "The-Vikings-List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light if anyone is interested the English translation of "Seler og slæb I vikingetid'" by Flemming Bau, published in KUML 1981, p. 13-47 (translation is p. 40-47) is going to be here (for the day, then I will take it down) http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/temp/Seler/ Summary Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light Halvgrimr _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 00:29:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (ed somers) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:29:50 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New pics fully captioned now In-Reply-To: <15B7FEA6-0494-11D8-86DF-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> References: <01c001c3982d$3166b230$ad702052@kim1> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031022192950.0081ce30@pop.gwi.net> Give me a shout when you get ready to build a hall here and I'll come down with my tools. ED Kim can you show the joint details of the building in a drawing??? I tried clicking on the photos and could not get a larger image. At 09:31 AM 10/22/2003 -0400, Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > Beautiful work! I see it's the exact same roof structure as the >Elizabethan cart shed we worked on last spring. I also see you have >tarred the bases of the earthfast posts. What is the expected lifetime >of those?? Yes, I'm obsessing about the posts. I would love to build my >hall on that premise but I hope and pray I'll live another 40 years. I >have never seen wood in direct contact with soil survive more than 10 >years, even 40cca pressure treated. What's the PH of the soil?? > > Is that a typical Saxon crane? Looks more Norman to me. > > Very jealous in Massachusetts. Did I mention it's snowing here >already. > > >On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 07:43 PM, J K Siddorn wrote: > >> I've now been through all the pictures I put up yesterday with full >> captions >> and titles. >> >> http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl >> >> Regards, >> >> Kim Siddorn >> >> I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me >> than a free frontal lobotomy! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 04:57:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:57:49 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ping - Andy Nicholson Message-ID: <005a01c39919$d6d3c220$299b08d8@boatanchor> Would Andy Nicholson please contact me off the list. Thanks Chris Kerr ckerr@spectranet.ca From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 15:59:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New pics fully captioned now In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20031022192950.0081ce30@pop.gwi.net> Message-ID: <76172C12-0569-11D8-B4F3-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> I'll keep that in mind. My projects tend to be more of a join&raise. When done properly, and with the advantage of modern communications, it's theoretically possible to have 20 carpenters in different locations make two pieces each and have them come together to raise a 40 piece frame. That's if you use square rule, which is admittedly a later invention. I will join up all the timbers into a big stack with numbers, and then raise them up quick. If using the scribe rule, each carpenter would have to frame a "plane". The planes intersect on the square rule. If you've ever done scribe you know that you rough cut the joint, then test fit, scribe and final fit. It has some possibilities. I'm normally not that organized and design on the fly. Tough to work as a group that way. On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 07:29 PM, ed somers wrote: > Give me a shout when you get ready to build a hall here and I'll come > down > with my tools. ED > Kim can you show the joint details of the building in a drawing??? I > tried > clicking on the photos and could not get a larger image. > > At 09:31 AM 10/22/2003 -0400, Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: >> Beautiful work! I see it's the exact same roof structure as the >> Elizabethan cart shed we worked on last spring. I also see you have >> tarred the bases of the earthfast posts. What is the expected lifetime >> of those?? Yes, I'm obsessing about the posts. I would love to build >> my >> hall on that premise but I hope and pray I'll live another 40 years. I >> have never seen wood in direct contact with soil survive more than 10 >> years, even 40cca pressure treated. What's the PH of the soil?? >> >> Is that a typical Saxon crane? Looks more Norman to me. >> >> Very jealous in Massachusetts. Did I mention it's snowing here >> already. >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 07:43 PM, J K Siddorn wrote: >> >>> I've now been through all the pictures I put up yesterday with full >>> captions >>> and titles. >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/album/95863701YBqjnl >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kim Siddorn >>> >>> I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me >>> than a free frontal lobotomy! >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> >> > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 17:27:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Arthur) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:27:44 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) Message-ID: <01C39950.4CBA0A40.valhalla_hes@direcway.com> When I tried to unravel a scrap piece of wool for the thread, I had a very difficult time. The tread would break before it came loose. The further I unraveled it, the more difficult it was. Although it looks nicer, I don't think hemmed edges are really necessary to the survival of the garment. Kjartan Thorkelsson ____________________ Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. -----Original Message----- From: Tracie Brown [SMTP:trbrown@uga.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:57 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) >From: "Chris Knight" >One more thing ...a woman selling material informed my >friend who in turn informed me that during the early middle >ages people did not hem the the edges of their garments.... >Do any of you out there know if there is truth in this? It's a misinterpretation or overgeneralization, but not complete BS as it is based on real data. Medieval wool fabric was often fulled -- shrunk and thickened by beating, whacking and otherwise abusing the wet fabric. (Felting is what you do to unconstructed fiber, fulling to constructed - woven, knitted, etc. fiber.) Fulling reduces the wool's ability to fray. If the hem of a garment did not get a lot of stress, either by wearing or by washing, it might not *need* to be hemmed, but it could be. There are plenty of extant examples of hemmed edges throughout the Middle Ages. For example, some of the 14c Greenland hoods were hemmed at the bottom, but at least one was not. However -- remember all those dagged edges in the 14th and 15th centuries? They weren't always lined, faced, edged or otherwise finished off. Sometimes they were just cut out and worn as is, because the fulled wool was resistent to fraying. While web site's focus is on the 14th century, it also has diagrams of some stitches (many hem stitches) taken from Inga Hagg's book on the 9-10c finds from Hedeby, which you may find useful: http://www.damehelen.com/images/Stitchsamples.jpg Note: linen will fray if you just look at it, and you can't full it -- you have to hem it, and it's a good idea to enclose the construction seams, too. The Hedeby stitch diagrams above include some techniques for this too. Sounds like you've got a good project going. Were you planning to pre-wash and dry your wool? If you wash it on the hottest setting, then machine dry it on the hottest setting, you will get some fulling action, and you'll be able to machine wash (cold or warm, gentle cycle) your garment in the future without worrying about shrinkage. (Hang it to dry, however, since dryer heat will shrink it more than wash water heat.) It will also have a less-modern looking finish to it, and it won't look brand spanking new. IMHO. Please send/post photos. -- Tracie _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 18:02:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:02:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) In-Reply-To: <01C39950.4CBA0A40.valhalla_hes@direcway.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031023125934.022e6ee0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Kjartan wrote: > When I tried to unravel a scrap piece of wool for the thread, I > had a very >difficult time. The tread would break before it came loose. If you're having this difficult a time, it's because the textile is a "woollen" rather than a "worsted" cloth. Due to the structure of the wool yarns used, worsted textiles are much easier to unravel. And because worsteds are more typical of textiles of the period in question, that means they'd have experienced unraveling to a greater degree than you do with a woollen textile. Viewed in this context, hemming makes a great deal more sense than you might think. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 18:03:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg carvings Message-ID: A loooong time ago someone was looking for the drawings from an article = that escapes me. I wandered upon this article and its line drawings recently and grabbed = them in case it was helpful to whoever that was: http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/temp/Gullalder/ its very unlike me to not note the name of the article but in this case = that's what happened, I do know that it was from Viking Vol 1, 1937 the last two pages are a German translation of the entire article hope it helps, if it doesn't sorry to waste bandwidth;) Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 19:04:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Researchers zero in on 'new' Viking ship Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39990.24D0007C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From another list:=20 Researchers zero in on 'new' Viking ship http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=3D652358 Pulse levels are rising among Norwegian researchers who think they may = have found the country's fourth intact Viking ship buried in a mound near Toensberg. The site is just next to the spot where the famed Gokstad = ship was found in 1880. Researchers from the University of Oslo have been using radar to examine = the Viking burial site. Photos have revealed an oval shape lying about a = meter under the pile of stones atop the mound, called a gravroeysa in = Norwegian. Newspaper VG reported Tuesday that the pictures may denote another = Viking longship buried with its owners' possessions in the traditional manner. Researchers also think the ship may be intact. Clay in the area = preserved the Gokstad ship for more than a thousand years, so it's entirely = possible that conditions have allowed the perservation of another ship as well. The Gokstad Ship, now the crown jewel in Oslo's Viking Ships Museum on = the Bygdoey peninsula, was found just a kilometer-and-a-half away. It = measured 22 meters long by five meters wide and belonged to a powerful Viking = queen who died in 834. Archaeologist Trude Aga Brun of Vestfold County wants to examine the = site as soon as possible. She said officials will try to undertake a focused excavation this autumn. "If we're lucky, we'll find some woodwork," she = told VG. 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Pulse=20 levels are rising among Norwegian researchers who think they may = have
found=20 the country's fourth intact Viking ship buried in a mound = near
Toensberg. The=20 site is just next to the spot where the famed Gokstad ship
was found = in=20 1880.

Researchers from the University of Oslo have been using = radar to=20 examine the
Viking burial site. Photos have revealed an oval shape = lying=20 about a meter
under the pile of stones atop the mound, called a = gravroeysa in=20 Norwegian.
Newspaper VG reported Tuesday that the pictures may denote = another=20 Viking
longship buried with its owners' possessions in the = traditional=20 manner.
Researchers also think the ship may be intact. Clay in the = area=20 preserved
the Gokstad ship for more than a thousand years, so it's = entirely=20 possible
that conditions have allowed the perservation of another = ship as=20 well.
The Gokstad Ship, now the crown jewel in Oslo's Viking Ships = Museum on=20 the
Bygdoey peninsula, was found just a kilometer-and-a-half away. It = measured
22 meters long by five meters wide and belonged to a = powerful Viking=20 queen
who died in 834.
Archaeologist Trude Aga Brun of Vestfold = County=20 wants to examine the site as
soon as possible. She said officials = will try to=20 undertake a focused
excavation this autumn. "If we're lucky, we'll = find some=20 woodwork," she told
VG.
Many Viking ship graves have been found in = Norway=20 over the years, but most
of the vessels had rotted away and graves = also had=20 been plundered in earlier
centuries.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C39990.24D0007C-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 19:52:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Gokstad 'Back Pack' Message-ID: I am still awaiting a little info but I decided to go ahead and let yall = know that I have received a translation (see Disclaimer on page) of the = article "Gokstadh=F8vdingens Jaktransel" ,which appeared in the = publication "Viking", Volume 21 (1958), so I made it available at: http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/gokbkpk/gokbkpk.htm The first half of the article is a little slow. The last half will = probably be on more interest to most folks;) Halvgrimr I am also working on getting some info on the Gokstad pouch/purse If you have any info on it would you please contact me at you leisure? From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 22:15:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Knight) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Tracie Brown [SMTP:trbrown@uga.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:57 AM >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: [Regia-NA] Hemming (was: help with hand stitching. (Chris Knight)) > Sounds like you've got a good project going. Were you >planning to pre-wash and dry your wool? If you wash it on >the hottest setting, then machine dry it on the hottest >setting, you will get some fulling action, and you'll be able >to machine wash (cold or warm, gentle cycle) your garment in >the future without worrying about shrinkage. (Hang it to dry, >however, since dryer heat will shrink it more than wash water >heat.) It will also have a less-modern looking finish to it, >and it won't look brand spanking new. IMHO. > Please send/post photos. >-- Tracie thoes are great ideas, about how much will this process shrink the wool? I'd hate to wash it and then find I now dont have enough yardage to make my tunic. Im probly going to start on one of the linen tunics first before I begin on the wool one. and I could post pics as soon as I get a scanner or digital camera. this will all take a while because they will be my winter projects for me so I can have them ready by the late spring and summer. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 23 22:41:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:41:13 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: some one recently posed me this question: Hi Halvgrimr!=20 Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking = skis and skates for me. Our club plans to organize winter maneuvers in a = forest this year, so skis (in Russia snow very deep) will be necessary = for us. I shall be glad to any information as text article or just = pictures.=20 in don't really have any info on either of these subjects and was = wondering if yall might be able to help me point him in the right = direction I know that Finnr (damn I miss that man!) had done some work with = skates, any of you Manx members know the source of that work? Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 12:49:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024072458.04640398@mmail> >Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking skis >and skates for me. Ice skate information: http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/ice_skates.htm I, too, would like to see some information about skis. That's something I've been wanting to try. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 13:23:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: <7282782.1066998237339.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> ------=_Part_4939_32710364.1066998237335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to remember that for skiis, the Norse used a pair that had animal skin (otter?) tacked to the bottom for better traction. One of the pair was also shorter than the other and poles were used to push oneself along. The travelling was more like scooting along rather than what we think of as skiing now-a-days. Bill (the other Bill...Leifr) Message date : Oct 24 2003, 12:50 PM >From : William R. Short To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates >Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking skis >and skates for me. Ice skate information: http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/ice_skates.htm I, too, would like to see some information about skis. That's something I've been wanting to try. Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_4939_32710364.1066998237335 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I seem to remember that for skiis, the Norse used a pair that had animal skin (otter?) tacked to the bottom for better traction.  One of the pair was also shorter than the other and poles were used to push oneself along.  The travelling was more like scooting along rather than what we think of as skiing now-a-days.

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>Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking skis
>and skates for me.

Ice skate information:
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I've been wanting to try.

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------=_Part_4939_32710364.1066998237335-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 13:38:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates In-Reply-To: <7282782.1066998237339.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> References: <7282782.1066998237339.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024083522.046a3d80@mmail> >The travelling was more like scooting along rather than what we think of >as skiing now-a-days. It might not be all that different from back-country ski techniques in modern times, where "skins" are still occasionally used for traction. (Mohair or nylon is used these days.) Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 17:09:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: I think they use some kind of confounded plastic scale at the bottom of cross country skis nowadays. On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: "William R. Short" >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:38:52 -0400 > > >>The travelling was more like scooting along rather than what we think of >>as skiing now-a-days. > >It might not be all that different from back-country ski techniques in >modern times, where "skins" are still occasionally used for traction. >(Mohair or nylon is used these days.) > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 17:09:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:09:04 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: --part1_c.1abf9262.2ccaa8a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to 10th century bows or how to make a bow thanks micah aka the sleepy one spell check dose not know how to spell my name and i spell my name right lol --part1_c.1abf9262.2ccaa8a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy V= iking 9th to 10th century bows or how to make a bow
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--part1_c.1abf9262.2ccaa8a0_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 17:11:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:11:15 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: I, too, would like to see some information about skis. That's something = I've been wanting to try. Bill=20 --stay tuned to http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002949.html H From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 17:35:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:35:57 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Alabama Message-ID: Can someone in the Alabama area contact me? I believe I have a recruit for you. Osweald in CA _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 18:40:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: Check this one out: http://archerycentre.co.uk/ Not only bows, but videos and books on how to! On manræden, Osweald of Baldurstrand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ >From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:09:04 EDT > >do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to 10th >century bows or how to make a bow >thanks micah aka the sleepy one > >spell check dose not know how to spell my name and i spell my name right >lol _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 20:28:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:28:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2FE8DF78-0658-11D8-AE5C-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Hi Sleepy; Exactly what a 9th-10th century bow is can be a subject of tremendous debate. There are actually bows that date from earlier periods and later. What you have to deduce from these examples are that there are so few changes in european bow design from the 4th to 12th century that you just need to focus on the basics. One piece of wood, between 60 and 72 inches long with a working handle. If you want to buy one I recommend; http://www.woodbows.com/ How big are you? If you've shot a compound bow, you will be surprised by how hard it seems to pull a low weight longbow. That's because a long bow is hardest to pull at full draw which is the weakest position. A compound maxes out early in the draw and get's easier just at your anchor point, when your ready to release. Stick to a #35-#40 for starters. Small guys can shoot high weight bows (I'm small and shoot a #65 and a #70) but it took time to get there. Be sure to use a shooting glove on your hand and a bracer on your bow arm. Also, make sure you get wooden arrows!! Aluminum, glass and graphite are made to resist bending for high power center shot bows. A longbow arrow NEEDS to bend around the handle to shoot straight. For arrows, try; http://www.threeriversarchery.com/ If you've never shot before, try to get the advice of an experienced shooter before you go to far. Bad habits are very hard to correct. Do a google search for "Maere Heath" and "Mary Rose". Forget making a bow. It's not as easy as you'd think. On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 12:09 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to > 10th century bows or how to make a bow > thanks micah aka the sleepy one > > spell check dose not know how to spell my name and i spell my name > right lol > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 20:31:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:31:16 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: True there are a number of good bowyers in the UK, but the currency and=20= shipping issues are not worth the hassle in my humble opinion. There=20 are a few good bowyers in the states, stick with them until you feel=20 you need a #150 yew war bow. On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Douglas Sunlin wrote: > Check this one out: > http://archerycentre.co.uk/ > > Not only bows, but videos and books on how to! > > > > On manr=E6den, > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > > > > > >> From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com >> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >> Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows >> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:09:04 EDT >> >> do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to=20 >> 10th >> century bows or how to make a bow >> thanks micah aka the sleepy one >> >> spell check dose not know how to spell my name and i spell my name=20 >> right lol > > _________________________________________________________________ > See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it=20= > now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 20:49:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:49:12 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024072458.04640398@mmail> Message-ID: <23FC6D58-065B-11D8-A7A7-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Count me in. Considering my son already built his first snowman for the year, I think it's going to be a good one for skiing and skating in our neck of the woods, eh Bill? On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 07:49 AM, William R. Short wrote: > > >> Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking >> skis and skates for me. > > Ice skate information: > http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/ > ice_skates.htm > > I, too, would like to see some information about skis. That's > something I've been wanting to try. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 20:54:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: I just added the pics from Viking to Crusader here http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/winter_equip/ H -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of Wulfhere se Treowryhta Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:49 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Count me in. Considering my son already built his first snowman for the = year, I think it's going to be a good one for skiing and skating in our = neck of the woods, eh Bill? On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 07:49 AM, William R. Short wrote: > > >> Can I ask you to search in your library any information about Viking = >> skis and skates for me. > > Ice skate information: > http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/=20 > ice_skates.htm > > I, too, would like to see some information about skis. That's =20 > something I've been wanting to try. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 21:31:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:31:15 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: <2FE8DF78-0658-11D8-AE5C-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <001701c39a6d$c58ed1d0$1b5e6451@duron800> Don't buy one with horn nocks - can't provenance them. Don't buy one with linen backing - can't provenance them. Do buy one that flexes even through the handle - and bear in mind there's no provenance for handle coverings. There are good finds from Dublin and Hedeby that are pretty much in period, and match stylistically with the manuscript pictures throughout the period. Chris. > do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to > 10th century bows or how to make a bow > thanks micah aka the sleepy one From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 24 21:37:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:37:38 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: Message-ID: <002101c39a6e$aa4933b0$1b5e6451@duron800> > Check this one out: > http://archerycentre.co.uk/ A good place and well worth a look, but remember they cater more for the later medieval re-enactor rather than the early medieval period. While I remember, don't buy a laminated bow - it'll probably last longer, shoot better, shoot further - but - can't provenance them. Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 25 02:59:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Alabama Message-ID: <10531120.1067047166959.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_12501_1434081.1067047166957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where in AL? Bill (Leifr) Message date : Oct 24 2003, 05:39 PM >From : Douglas Sunlin To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Alabama Can someone in the Alabama area contact me? I believe I have a recruit for you. Osweald in CA _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? 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------=_Part_12501_1434081.1067047166957-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 25 04:05:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:05:26 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <001701c39a6d$c58ed1d0$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: on 10/24/03 4:31 PM, Chris Boulton at chris.boulton@ntlworld.com wrote: > Don't buy one with horn nocks - can't provenance them. > Don't buy one with linen backing - can't provenance them. Have to disagree there. The linen backing is a safety issue. Self-bows will break. Fiber backings help save the bow from explosive failure, and I believe they help control the shards that fly off. There is no provenance for blunt steel swords but you use them to provide a safe re-enacting environment. Bows should do the same. > Do buy one that flexes even through the handle - and bear in mind there's no > provenance for handle coverings. > There are good finds from Dublin and Hedeby that are pretty much in period, > and match stylistically with the manuscript pictures throughout the period. > > Chris. > >> do any of youll know of a place or a web site to buy Viking 9th to >> 10th century bows or how to make a bow >> thanks micah aka the sleepy one > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 25 08:29:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ski's and skates Message-ID: <761E9650.259949FA.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: >Count me in. Considering my son already built his first snowman for the   >year, I think it's going to be a good one for skiing and skating in our   >neck of the woods,  eh Bill? Oh my, a snowman. We just had record heat for the last 7 days. It finally dropped below 100 today and is only supposed to be in the mid to low 90s for the next week. A snowman sounds good. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 25 14:34:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:34:14 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: Message-ID: <000b01c39afc$aed42280$1b5e6451@duron800> > Have to disagree there. The linen backing is a safety issue. Self-bows will > break. Fiber backings help save the bow from explosive failure, and I > believe they help control the shards that fly off. There is no provenance > for blunt steel swords but you use them to provide a safe re-enacting > environment. Bows should do the same. We have no history here in Regia UK of injury arising from flying shards of breaking self bows. We've been doing this for quite some time now (a good 16 years at least as Regia), and given the tendancy we have to use low poundage bows for our archery activities, the problem simply hasn't arisen. If we used high power, high stress bows it might be a different story, but we don't. On the other hand, inauthentic looking bows are very visible to the public in the course of an archery display, and this has resulted in contempuous comments from knowledgeable public in the past, and rightly so, so authenticity is prefered in this instance. At the present time, in the UK, linen backed bows are banned on authenticity grounds. In the USA, with your more litigious society, you may feel that you have no choice but to make compromises of authenticity of this kind, but you ought to think carefully about each individual case. As the person presently responsible for these matters in the UK, I do not feel entirely qualified to pronounce on matters which may result in litigation in the USA, and would be grateful if all the archers interested in putting on public displays of authentic archery in the USA would contact me off list so that this can be discussed, and if necessary a Missiles Officer for the USA can be appointed. Best to all, Chris Boulton, Regia UK National Missiles Officer. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 25 17:52:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:52:54 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] decoration Message-ID: <000701c39b18$6f7c18b0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> For my OTT [over the top] gown, I was thinking of doing couched gold thread in an X or diamond... I believe it is illustrated somewhere as an A-S pattern. What I need is a picture & documentation. Can anyone help? Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 26 07:12:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:12:38 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] book and journal Message-ID: <1B8A2FE5.0BC18C6B.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Greetings, I have been asked if there is any further work on the Medieval Clothing and Textiles Journal that was announced a while ago. Is there? Also, has the publisher of the Gale Owen-Crocker book opened pre-publication ordering or pre-buying? Thanks, Eileen __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 26 08:21:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:21:03 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Fw: [Regia] book and journal Message-ID: <001701c39b9a$18af0ce0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > > Hi Eileen, > To your first question, I don't know. I haven't heard any more. > To your second, my guess would be 'no', but I will e-mail Gale tomorrow and > ask how it is all going. > Cheers, > Hazel > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 26 19:09:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:09:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] tent fabric Message-ID: <20031026190936.41609.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Here's a listing for an 18 oz water repellant canvas tarp for $180 dollars US that is 20 by 40 feet. I should think it would provide enough fabric for at least one geteld. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34880 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Oct 26 19:31:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:31:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: <20484787.1067196697052.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_4379_14497484.1067196697048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The linen backing is a safety issue. Self-bows will break. Fiber backings help save the bow from explosive failure, and I believe they help control the shards that fly off. There is no provenance for blunt steel swords but you use them to provide a safe re-enacting environment. Bows should do the same." In this circumstance, I think that authenticity out-weighs safety. To the public, they don't see that the fighting weapons are blunted until close up. Now if we started adding things like fencing bells to protect the hand...and that would be a definite step up in safety for a warrior...then the public would notice. Even at a proscribed distance for safety, the public will certainly see linen-backing. Bill ------=_Part_4379_14497484.1067196697048 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

"The linen backing is a safety issue. Self-bows will
break. Fiber backings help save the bow from explosive failure, and I
believe they help control the shards that fly off. There is no provenance
for blunt steel swords but you use them to provide a safe re-enacting
environment. Bows should do the same."

In this circumstance, I think that authenticity out-weighs safety.  To the public, they don't see that the fighting weapons are blunted until close up.  Now if we started adding things like fencing bells to protect the hand...and that would be a definite step up in safety for a warrior...then the public would notice.  Even at a proscribed distance for safety, the public will certainly see linen-backing.

Bill

------=_Part_4379_14497484.1067196697048-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 04:13:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:13:44 EST Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: <113.2a947094.2ccdf578@aol.com> --part1_113.2a947094.2ccdf578_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well im a litte late on repling lol sorry about that school has me so buisy ya school to much ya imm 6'2" 155bls so im tall but thin and yes i know how deffernt the kinds of bows are i was think of geting a 5obls to star and get strang enuff to use it and yes i was goin to make my own arrows to micah aka the happy one --part1_113.2a947094.2ccdf578_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well im a litte late on repling lol sorry about that s= chool has me so buisy ya school to much ya imm 6'2" 155bls so im tall but th= in and yes i know how deffernt the kinds of bows are i was think of geting a= 5obls to star and get strang enuff to use it and yes i was goin to make my=20= own arrows to
micah aka the happy one
--part1_113.2a947094.2ccdf578_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 04:27:10 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:27:10 EST Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: <6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e@aol.com> --part1_6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to make one but this will work and i want to be as real as possible so ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks for the information micah the happy one --part1_6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thank you all for the information but i really wanted=20= to know how to make one but this will work and i want to be as real  as= possible so ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like th= at lol i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a b= ow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 fibergla= ss bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks for the informa= tion
micah the happy one
--part1_6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 05:57:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:57:07 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <000b01c39afc$aed42280$1b5e6451@duron800> Message-ID: <65B69C3C-0842-11D8-B7C9-003065907E0C@masspostroad.net> Obviously we've struck some sort of nerve. It has nothing to do with litigation, it has to do with injury. Yes, it's a long shot ( accidental pun) that a bow will pop, but why risk getting a splinter in the hand or face if you don't have to? I would also think that anyone knowlegable enough to berate a linen back would be just as quick to point out the slight build of a low draw weight, and, if I'm not mistaken, blunts? I personally used goat skin rawhide on my hickory #70. It's virtually invisible unless you get a long close look. It has nothing to do with lawyers, it's my bow and my problem. Just seems sensible. I'll leave my bows at home, with my oak handled axe and hickory shafted spear. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 06:17:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e@aol.com> Message-ID: <40EB4DEA-0845-11D8-B7C9-003065907E0C@masspostroad.net> --Apple-Mail-2-881424709 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own=20= bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers=20 in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the=20 back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The=20 Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll=20= also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A=20 longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you=20 nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's=20 stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they=20 won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need=20= the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer=20 shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a=20 #30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw=20 length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just=20 28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I=20= can shoot the bloody thing. On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to=20= > make one but this will work and i want to be as real=A0 as possible so=20= > ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol=20= > i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a=20 > bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45=20= > fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks=20= > for the information > micah the happy one > --Apple-Mail-2-881424709 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a #30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just 28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I can shoot the bloody thing.=20 On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: Arialthank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to make one but this will work and i want to be as real=A0 as possible so ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks for the information micah the happy one = --Apple-Mail-2-881424709-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 07:27:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ishido) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <40EB4DEA-0845-11D8-B7C9-003065907E0C@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <20031027072731.79086.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> --0-196805994-1067239651=:79083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey guys... I'm new to the list, but I thought I would chime in. There is a fellow doing self-bows up here in VT and his prices are quite reasonable ( He will sell a roughed out bow, you do the sanding, for around 50$... I have friend who have been shooting them for years). I will have to ask a few folks how to get ahold of him, if you all are interested. Robert Wulfhere wrote: Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a #30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just 28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I can shoot the bloody thing. On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to > make one but this will work and i want to be as real as possible so > ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol > i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a > bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 > fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks > for the information > micah the happy one > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears --0-196805994-1067239651=:79083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey guys... I'm new to the list, but I thought I would chime in. There is a fellow doing self-bows up here in VT and his prices are quite reasonable ( He will sell a roughed out bow, you do the sanding, for around 50$... I have friend who have been shooting them for years). I will have to ask a few folks how to get ahold of him, if you all are interested.
 
Robert

Wulfhere <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:
Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own
bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers
in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the
back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The
Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll
also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A
longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you
nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's
stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they
won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need
the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer
shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a
#30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw
length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just
28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I
can shoot the bloody thing.


On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote:

> thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to
> make one but this will work and i want to be as real  as possible so
> ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol
> i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a
> bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45
> fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks
> for the information
> micah the happy one
>


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Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears --0-196805994-1067239651=:79083-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 12:18:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:18:23 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Bows with linen backing References: <40EB4DEA-0845-11D8-B7C9-003065907E0C@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <00ff01c39c84$6a711d80$46722052@kim1> I ask from a position of ignorance only - is it really the case that all (or the great majority) of US bowmakers will only supply wooden bows with a glued on layer of linen as a stress grabber? I wasn't aware of this and just find it interesting that it should have come up in conversation. As an aside as someone who has made the odd bow or two in his time, adding a layer of linen and fixing it *under load* with epoxy resin will add significantly to the cast of the bow and reduce its tendency to follow the string. Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wulfhere" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a #30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just 28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I can shoot the bloody thing. On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to > make one but this will work and i want to be as real as possible so > ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol > i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a > bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 > fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks > for the information > micah the happy one > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 15:05:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:05:36 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <40EB4DEA-0845-11D8-B7C9-003065907E0C@masspostroad.net> References: <6d.1b9013da.2ccdf89e@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031027095144.02877430@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Wulfhere wrote: >I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without >a stress cover on the back. My husband and I have been involved in traditional archery for over 15 years; he's a Grandmaster Bowman in the SCA, and I was once a master bowman. Over the years he's had loads of bows blow up or become unusable in his hands: fiberglas crossbow prods, aluminum crossbow prods both covered and uncovered, homemade fiberglas laminated recurves, flat wooden recurves, D-shaped wood longbows, bent-stick bows, and even a D-shaped longbow he made from rattan, at weights from 15lb all the way up to around 150lb. Never has so much as a splinter injured him as a result. He has also been a line marshal when bows have blown up and has (knock wood) never seen an injury. Obviously, we've gotten a lot of bows from a lot of US bowyers, and are also familiar with the products of bowyers (both US and otherwise) that we haven't personally patronized. ;> In all that time we have never encountered a bowyer who insists on selling linen-backed bows of any sort. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 15:06:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:06:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] Speaking of bows... Message-ID: <21224752.1067267169758.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> ------=_Part_7012_19564532.1067267169755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, Although this is a bit hard to judge being only a picture on a website, I w= as wondering if you could give your thoughts on the self bow at the bottow = of this page... http://www.archerytraditions.com/archerytradi9.html (Good source for all kinds of bowyers...http://www.archerysociety.org/longb= owsA.html) Bill Message date : Oct 27 2003, 02:56 PM=20 >From : Carolyn Priest-Dorman=20 To : list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Copy to :=20 Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows=20 Wulfhere wrote:=20 >I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without= =20 >a stress cover on the back.=20 My husband and I have been involved in traditional archery for over 15=20 years; he's a Grandmaster Bowman in the SCA, and I was once a master=20 bowman. Over the years he's had loads of bows blow up or become unusable=20 in his hands: fiberglas crossbow prods, aluminum crossbow prods both=20 covered and uncovered, homemade fiberglas laminated recurves, flat wooden= =20 recurves, D-shaped wood longbows, bent-stick bows, and even a D-shaped=20 longbow he made from rattan, at weights from 15lb all the way up to around= =20 150lb. Never has so much as a splinter injured him as a result. He has=20 also been a line marshal when bows have blown up and has (knock wood) never= =20 seen an injury.=20 Obviously, we've gotten a lot of bows from a lot of US bowyers, and are=20 also familiar with the products of bowyers (both US and otherwise) that we= =20 haven't personally patronized. ;> In all that time we have never=20 encountered a bowyer who insists on selling linen-backed bows of any sort.= =20 Carolyn Priest-Dorman =DE=F3ra Sharptooth=20 http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html=20 _______________________________________________=20 list-regia-na mailing list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_7012_19564532.1067267169755 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris,

Although this is a bit hard to judge being only a picture on a website, = I was wondering if you could give your thoughts on the self bow at the bott= ow of this page...

http://w= ww.archerytraditions.com/archerytradi9.html

(Good source for all kinds of bowyers...http://www.archerysociety.org/lo= ngbowsA.html)

Bill


Message date : Oct 27 2003, 02:56 PM
From : Carolyn Prie= st-Dorman
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy t= o :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows
Wulfhere wrote:

&g= t;I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow withou= t
>a stress cover on the back.

My husband and I have been in= volved in traditional archery for over 15
years; he's a Grandmaster Bow= man in the SCA, and I was once a master
bowman. Over the years he's had= loads of bows blow up or become unusable
in his hands: fiberglas cross= bow prods, aluminum crossbow prods both
covered and uncovered, homemade= fiberglas laminated recurves, flat wooden
recurves, D-shaped wood long= bows, bent-stick bows, and even a D-shaped
longbow he made from rattan,= at weights from 15lb all the way up to around
150lb. Never has so much= as a splinter injured him as a result. He has
also been a line marshal= when bows have blown up and has (knock wood) never
seen an injury.
Obviously, we've gotten a lot of bows from a lot of US bowyers, and ar= e
also familiar with the products of bowyers (both US and otherwise) th= at we
haven't personally patronized. ;> In all that time we have nev= er
encountered a bowyer who insists on selling linen-backed bows of any= sort.


Carolyn Priest-Dorman =DE=F3ra Sharptooth
http://www= .cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html



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------=_Part_7012_19564532.1067267169755-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 16:04:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Gareth Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:04:25 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: I do have to agree with Carolyn here. I have been re-enactment shooting for about 9 years and shooting for the last 22 years (I am 26). In all that time I have had 1 fibreglass trainer bow and 4 D-section long bows explode on me, I have never received an injury or injured someone. So it seems that the linen backing would not help safety at all. But it would turn a longbow into a composite bow, thus defeating the whole point of shooting a longbow. Strange idea................... All the best Goose PS Hi ya Chris B -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Priest-Dorman [mailto:capriest@cs.vassar.edu] Sent: 27 October 2003 15:06 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows Wulfhere wrote: 150lb. Never has so much as a splinter injured him as a result. He has also been a line marshal when bows have blown up and has (knock wood) never seen an injury. This line certifies that this message has been scanned for the presense of viruses. Using McAfee Groupshield. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Labgear Ltd. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 16:38:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: Message-ID: <004e01c39ca8$d88bdf70$a4156751@duron800> > Goose Goose! I didn't know you were over in the States! How are yer mate? Long time no see. Whereabouts are you? Hey everyone over there - Goose is a fine bloke and a good combat archer- if he's anywhere near any of you you ought to get together. Cheers, Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 17:02:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:02:57 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Speaking of bows... References: <21224752.1067267169758.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Message-ID: <008201c39cac$379649d0$a4156751@duron800> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39CAC.2BC1B950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A nice traditional American Indian flatbow. If you're doing the Indian = Wars it'd be ideal. Not for Regia though. Things that stand out in the picture -=20 Built up hand grip - this is where the idea of making bows with built up = handgrips came from - American Indian bows. The feature doesn't appear, = as far as I've been able to establish, on any european bow before = examples were brought home by the early colony supply ships in, = presumably, the 17th century. Flat section limbs - european bows have thicker, D section limbs, with = variations through oval and sub-round. Laminated back - and very obvious too - to be avoided. Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39CAC.2BC1B950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A nice traditional American Indian = flatbow. If=20 you're doing the Indian Wars it'd be ideal. Not for Regia = though.
 
Things that stand out in the picture -=20
 
Built up hand grip - this is where the = idea of=20 making bows with built up handgrips came from - American Indian bows. = The=20 feature doesn't appear, as far as I've been able to establish, on = any=20 european bow before examples were brought home by the early colony = supply ships=20 in, presumably, the 17th century.
 
Flat section limbs - european bows have = thicker, D=20 section limbs, with variations through oval and sub-round.
 
Laminated back - and very obvious too - = to be=20 avoided.
 
Chris.
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39CAC.2BC1B950-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 17:09:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:09:52 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Bows with linen backing In-Reply-To: <00ff01c39c84$6a711d80$46722052@kim1> Message-ID: <60F9DAD5-08A0-11D8-9AF8-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Perhaps it's just my bad luck but I couldn't get an unbacked bow when I went shopping. I think this is just a culmination of factors, not the least of which being that a reasonable cost bow wouldn't be made from a pristine piece of yew. So, you can rough a bow out of just about any sawn crud lumber yard stave and get uniform tiller and strength by putting on a laminate. Litigation may be a factor, it's not for me at any rate. Yes, laminates are a good way to control the weaknesses of various woods. Though, most north American white woods gain follow by compressing the belly. On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 07:18 AM, J K Siddorn wrote: > I ask from a position of ignorance only - is it really the case that > all (or > the great majority) of US bowmakers will only supply wooden bows with a > glued on layer of linen as a stress grabber? > > I wasn't aware of this and just find it interesting that it should > have come > up in conversation. > > As an aside as someone who has made the odd bow or two in his time, > adding a > layer of linen and fixing it *under load* with epoxy resin will add > significantly to the cast of the bow and reduce its tendency to follow > the > string. > > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > > I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me > than a free frontal lobotomy! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wulfhere" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows > > > Well bud, based on the Britons' response you will have to make your own > bow or buy one and grind off the backing. I don't know of any bowyers > in the states who will sell a wood bow without a stress cover on the > back. If you really want to make one, get a book called "The > Traditional Bowyers Bible Volume 1". It gives you all the basics. It'll > also teach you how to match the arrows. That's very important. A > longbow with arrows that are too stiff or to flexible will drive you > nuts. I had to make a bunch of arrows of different spine (that's > stiffness) and shoot them with no feathers. When they're wrong, they > won't even stick in a target. When they are just right, you don't need > the feathers. You can force a bend by using a heavier head or longer > shaft. Wood longbows are inefficient. A #50 draw bow probably needs a > #30 spine with a 100grain head about 3 inches longer than your draw > length, which will be about 31" if your 6'2". I'm 5'7" and draw just > 28" but weigh 185lbs. I'm looking for a #100 plus bow just to see if I > can shoot the bloody thing. > > > On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 11:27 PM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > >> thank you all for the information but i really wanted to know how to >> make one but this will work and i want to be as real as possible so >> ya no now day stuff even if it is more safe my Mom wont like that lol >> i will not tell her lol OK well just need to get some money to by a >> bow and arrows and have a compound bow and my dad lets me use his 45 >> fiberglass bow to so i now a little about bow and what not so thanks >> for the information >> micah the happy one >> > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 17:36:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2AC3F399-08A4-11D8-9AF8-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> I've been riding a bicycle for 35years (I'm 38). In all those years, I've never slammed my head on the pavement, nor have I ever personally known anyone who has. So, I guess helmets are pointless... I have snapped my share of wood tool handles and been injured enough to respect a stout piece of wood loaded beyond it's capacity. It's obviously not a topic up for debate. Very sorry I brought it up. Don't know what I was thinking. On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 11:04 AM, Gareth Evans wrote: > I do have to agree with Carolyn here. I have been re-enactment > shooting for > about 9 years and shooting for the last 22 years (I am 26). In all > that > time I have had 1 fibreglass trainer bow and 4 D-section long bows > explode > on me, I have never received an injury or injured someone. So it > seems that > the linen backing would not help safety at all. > > But it would turn a longbow into a composite bow, thus defeating the > whole > point of shooting a longbow. Strange idea................... > > All the best > > Goose > > PS Hi ya Chris B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Priest-Dorman > [mailto:capriest@cs.vassar.edu] > Sent: 27 October 2003 15:06 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows > > Wulfhere wrote: > > 150lb. Never has so much as a splinter injured him as a > result. He has > also been a line marshal when bows have blown up and has > (knock wood) never > seen an injury. > > > This line certifies that this message has been scanned for the > presense of > viruses. Using McAfee Groupshield. > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > Labgear Ltd. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ********************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 17:46:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:46:39 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: <2AC3F399-08A4-11D8-9AF8-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <00b601c39cb2$4e5b3da0$a4156751@duron800> > I've been riding a bicycle for 35years (I'm 38). In all those years, > I've never slammed my head on the pavement, nor have I ever personally > known anyone who has. So, I guess helmets are pointless... Giggle. Yes, I take your point, but we think it's unnecessary to compromise authenticity to such a degree in this instance. We do need to think carefully about safety, and debates like this are never wasted - they make us think about what we're doing and sometimes do lead to a decision to make a change. Not this time though. Cheers, Chris. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 18:27:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:27:04 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <00b601c39cb2$4e5b3da0$a4156751@duron800> Message-ID: <29D401A2-08AB-11D8-9AF8-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> I was starting to get the impression you were annoyed by the concept. I realize it's a compromise. Many historians think archers were poorly regarded peasants for most of history so no one gave a rats backside if they got hurt or not. Backing it took to much time and resource just like built up handles. Roger Ascham, in "Toxophilus" comments on the fact that even at that late date, with organized armies and "armories", many archers were peasants who provided their own bows and often brought "bent sticks" instead of quality bows. I fail to see how a natural fiber back detracts so much from the experience of archery in war but hey. I can only hope some grave digger lifts a backed bow from British soil sometime soon. Until then, I'll stick to the SCA archery range where I'm considered an authenticity freak. Wood self bow with no sealant, handle grip, wrapping or arrow shelf. Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me shoot off the hand because it was quite unsafe. On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:46 PM, Chris Boulton wrote: >> I've been riding a bicycle for 35years (I'm 38). In all those >> years, >> I've never slammed my head on the pavement, nor have I ever personally >> known anyone who has. So, I guess helmets are pointless... > > Giggle. Yes, I take your point, but we think it's unnecessary to > compromise > authenticity to such a degree in this instance. We do need to think > carefully about safety, and debates like this are never wasted - they > make > us think about what we're doing and sometimes do lead to a decision to > make > a change. Not this time though. > > Cheers, > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 18:42:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:42:06 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: I fail to see how a natural fiber back detracts so much from the=20 experience of archery in war but hey. I can only hope some grave digger=20 lifts a backed bow from British soil sometime soon. Until then, I'll=20 stick to the SCA archery range where I'm considered an authenticity=20 freak. Wood self bow with no sealant, handle grip, wrapping or arrow=20 shelf. Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me shoot off=20 the hand because it was quite unsafe. --Wulfhere I think you are bordering on being out of line with the above = statements. Reaction like this is what give us SCA folks a bad rep with the = reenactor crowd. Some of us try real hard to prove that not all SCA folks have a bad = attitude and are willing to go above and beyond what is expected of us = in the SCA to make the conversion to 'Real Reenactor.' You seemingly are trying to ruin the work those others have done. Chris said that this type of conversation often institutes change in how = Regia operates. In this case it hasn't (yet, keep working on it in a positive manner if = it is something you feel strongly about) But until then back off, except that at this point backed bows aren't = allowed at Regia events. Besides, when are you going to be at a Regia event that would prohibit = you from using yours? its not really an issue worth getting riled up about. And its certainly not an issue to stomp off, take your toys and going to = play elsewhere over. There are some really good folks on this list, who are a wealth of = information as a bonus;) being pissey with them because they are stating how their current rules = are written is uncalled for IMO. Halvgrimr half breed,=20 half SCAer/Half (wannabe) reenactor From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 19:54:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: <29D401A2-08AB-11D8-9AF8-000393542CC6@masspostroad.net> References: <00b601c39cb2$4e5b3da0$a4156751@duron800> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031027143850.024a8d20@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Wulfhere wrote: >Until then, I'll stick to the SCA archery range where I'm considered an >authenticity freak. Wood self bow with no sealant, handle grip, wrapping >or arrow shelf. Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me shoot >off the hand because it was quite unsafe. Sounds like a marshallate problem rather than a regulatory problem to me. What kingdom are you in??? At one point in time, we used to joke that if you wanted to be Captain-General of Archers in the East Kingdom, you had to have shot a hole in your own hand first. This entirely unofficial rule came about because three successive CGs had done so (at least one while shooting off the hand on his longbow). ;> Even so, there's never been a rule requiring a shelf in the East Kingdom archery handbook. Nevertheless, and sadly, it is not always possible in an organization as large as the SCA to ensure complete uniformity of enforcement. (In this way I suspect it is much like the US Army.) At some events you may find overly-zealous marshals who think it is their job to build a fence around the regulations by arbitrarily prohibiting things that weren't previously prohibited in the regulations. Even now, from time to time some poor ill-informed marshal makes the mistake of telling my husband he can't shoot with his linen Flemish twist string "because it has a knot in it." ;> Usually all you have to do is ask the marshal (or the marshal in charge) to show you the official regulation prohibiting same, then politely take your place at the line when they fail to do so. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 21:33:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:33:21 EST Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: <1d6.13127a3a.2ccee921@aol.com> --part1_1d6.13127a3a.2ccee921_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me shoot >off the hand because it was quite unsafe. So in your experience authenticity was more important than the risk of shooting off the hand: in our experience authenticity is more important than the risk of shooting without a linen backing. Why do you find Regia's stance so difficult? Aly Higginson PS I am one of Regia's combat archers - of nearly ten years standing. My first bow exploded eventually. It made a scary noise, and I was aware that such events can cause injury, but it didn't. I have continued to shoot with another non-backed bow. PPS I also fell out of trees frequently when I was a kid. I thank my lucky stars I was allowed to. --part1_1d6.13127a3a.2ccee921_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me s= hoot
>off the hand because it was quite unsafe.


So in your experience authenticity was more important than the risk of shoot= ing off the hand: in our experience authenticity is more important than the=20= risk of shooting  without a linen backing.
Why do you find Regia's stance so difficult?

Aly Higginson

PS  I am one of Regia's combat archers - of nearly ten years standing.&= nbsp; My first bow exploded eventually.  It made a scary noise, and I w= as aware that such events can cause injury, but it didn't.  I have cont= inued to shoot with another non-backed bow.

PPS I also fell out of trees frequently when I was a kid.  I thank my l= ucky stars I was allowed to.
--part1_1d6.13127a3a.2ccee921_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Oct 27 22:16:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Green Shield) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:16:33 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: There are a few who do. You can buy from them at Gulf Wars this March in Mississippi. C >Wulfhere wrote: > >>I don't know of any bowyers in the states who will sell a wood bow without >>a stress cover on the back. > _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 28 10:06:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Gareth Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:06:08 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: Please do not think that I was having a go, or slating. I just like shooting bare bow, I have done the Sight, stabiliser, Weights, wind direction, pacing.......etc. I prefer pure natural bare back bow. You mentioned that these bows were Yew, now I get your point. Yew bows should only be made of good staves. If it is made out of inferior wood then yes the backing might help avoid injury. Yew is a nasty splintering wood, so I do now get your point. Have you thought about ASH, common Bow wood in our period and fairly easy to get a good stave. Just an idea, hope you enjoy the shooting that you do, as that is the whole point. All the best Goose This line certifies that this message has been scanned for the presense of viruses. Using McAfee Groupshield. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Labgear Ltd. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 28 18:09:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:09:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] South-east Regia Gathering Message-ID: <12618340.1067364586642.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_9727_21500582.1067364586636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22 and 23 November I will be hosting a gathering for all North American = Regia members, and potentials, in the southeast US. Of course anyone else = across the continent is invited and transportation to and from the local ai= rport can be provided. Roughly defined, what should we look to accomplish at this get-together? = =20 1) First and foremost, just get to know everyone 2) Formation of a local group (which will probably be a broadly= defined area) a) Purpose and scope of Regia b) How many actual members do we have?=20 c) Obstacles ? = i. Membership levels i= i. What will it take to elevate membership? d) Cultural basis for group e) Application for group land grant to George Johnson and High Witan 3) Workshops a. Kit construction b. LHE crafts = i. Bone/antler/horn working i= i. Any others by volunteer c. LHE kit construction d. Purpose and scope of Regia combat Another rough outline; schedule: Saturday - Arrival (if necessary, Friday night arrival= is possible) Group formation discussion Workshops Sunday - Workshops Departure Please bring along any and all kit that you have that you would like to rev= iew for appropriateness to Regia standards. For the combat wombats, althou= gh I don=92t have authority to qualify warriors, nor do I foresee any possi= bility of combat training, you can certainly bring your war-gear and we can= compare to the MaA regulations. Kit is not required for attendance and civvies will be appropriate anyway f= or most of the workshops. Speaking of workshops, does anyone have one for which they would like to do= a presentation? What kind of workshop/discussion group would you like to= see? I do have a lot of large power tools. If you would like to do a wor= kshop that requires a certain tool, let me know, I might already have it. Crash space is in abundance=85possibly even a few beds on a first come firs= t serve purpose. So bring your sleeping bags (including for beds as I migh= t not have enough sheets=85hey, I=92m a batchelor!). If you would like, th= ere is plenty of ground outside for tents, and please feel very welcome to = bring along any period tent. I do have a dog and she is a bundle of energy= and very friendly. Her house space tends to be the kitchen. Children are= very welcome as I have a 12 year old and he would welcome the company with= enough Legos to even entertain the adults. Directions? Proceed to the Mississippi Gulf coast. On I-10, look for the = exit to I-110 (Biloxi/Kessler AFB), which I believe is Exit 47. This will = take you directly towards the beaches. Be very careful, I-110 ends in an a= brupt sharp right onto Highway 90. Follow 90 west. You will pass the Bilo= xi lighthouse on your left. Proceed through a couple of traffic light sets= . Go through, staying on 90W, the set of traffic lights that turn right to= Keesler AFB. Pass the Leggett United Methodist Church on the right and th= en the Methodist retirement center immediately after. After a couple of bl= ocks, there will be two large, square, sets of condos on the right. Immedi= ately after the second condo, which is a peachy-pink color, turn right onto= St. Charles Avenue. Be very careful, the exit lane from Highway 90 is ver= y short, and the traffic along here moves at about 50+ mph. Proceed up St.= Charles to near the very end. My house is #185, second on the left from t= he end. It is white with a separate garage and half circle-ish gravel driv= e; should be a blue Dodge minivan parked there. My home number is (228)374= -9598. Please respond to me off group at vinlander@cableone.net so that I can get = a head-count. Looking forward to meeting everyone. Bill (Leifr) ------=_Part_9727_21500582.1067364586636 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 22 and 23 November I will be hosting a gathering for all = North American Regia members, and potentials, in the southeast US.  Of course anyone else across the con= tinent is invited and transportation to and from the local airport can be p= rovided.

Roughly defined, what should we look to accomplish at this get-toge= ther?   =

     &nbs= p;          1)     First and foremost= , just get to know everyone

    2)&nb= sp;       Formation of a local group  (which will probably be a broadly defined area)

a)  &= nbsp;    Purpose and scope of Regia

b)  &= nbsp;    How many actual members do we have?

c)  &= nbsp;    Obstacles ?

          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  i.  &= nbsp;   Membership levels

          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; ii.   =    What will it take to elevate membership?

d)  &= nbsp;    Cultural basis for group

e)  &= nbsp;    Application for group land grant to George Johnson a= nd High Witan

3)  &n= bsp;    Workshops

a.  &= nbsp;     Kit construction

b.  &= nbsp;    LHE crafts

          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  i.  &= nbsp;   Bone/antler/horn working

          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; ii.   =    Any others by volunteer

c.  &= nbsp;     LHE kit construction

d.  &= nbsp;    Purpose and scope of Regia combat<= /P>

Another rough outline; schedule:

     &nbs= p;          Saturday   -    Arrival (if necessary, Friday night arri= val is possible)

Group formation discussion

     &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     W= orkshops

     &nbs= p;          Sunday     -   Workshops

     &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     D= eparture

Please bring along any and all kit that you have that you would lik= e to review for appropriateness to Regia standards.  For the combat wombats, although I don=92t have aut= hority to qualify warriors, nor do I foresee any possibility of combat trai= ning, you can certainly bring your war-gear and we can compare to the MaA r= egulations.

Kit is not required for attendance and civvies will be appropriate = anyway for most of the workshops.

Speaking of workshops, does anyone have one for which they would li= ke to do a presentation?   What= kind of workshop/discussion group would you like to see?  I do= have a lot of large power tools.  <= /SPAN>If you would like to do a workshop that requires a certain tool, let = me know, I might already have it.

Crash space is in abundance=85possibly even a few beds on a first c= ome first serve purpose.  So = bring your sleeping bags (including for beds as I might not have enough she= ets=85hey, I=92m a batchelor!).  If you would like, there is plenty of ground outside for tents, and ple= ase feel very welcome to bring along any period tent.  I do have a dog and she is a bundle of energy and= very friendly.  Her house sp= ace tends to be the kitchen.  Children are very welcome as I have a 12 year old and he would welcome the= company with enough Legos to even entertain the adults.<= /P>

Directions?  Proceed = to the Mississippi Gulf coast.  On I-10, look for the exit to I-110 (Biloxi/Kessler AFB), which I believ= e is Exit 47.  This will take= you directly towards the beaches.  = Be very careful, I-110 ends in an abrupt sharp right onto Highway 90= .  Follow 90 west.  You will pass the Biloxi lighthouse on= your left.  Proceed through = a couple of traffic light sets.  Go through, staying on 90W, the set of traffic lights that turn right t= o Keesler AFB.  Pass the Legg= ett United Methodist Church on the right and then the Methodist retirement = center immediately after.  Af= ter a couple of blocks, there will be two large, square, sets of condos on = the right.  Immediately after= the second condo, which is a peachy-pink color, turn right onto St. Charle= s Avenue.  Be very careful, t= he exit lane from Highway 90 is very short, and the traffic along here move= s at about 50+ mph.  Proceed = up St. Charles to near the very end. = ; My house is #185, second on the left from the end.  It is white with a separate garage and half= circle-ish gravel drive; should be a blue Dodge minivan parked there.  My home number is (228)374-9598.=

Please respond to me off group at vinlander@cableone.net so that I can get a head-count.

Looking forward to meeting everyone.

Bill (Leifr)

------=_Part_9727_21500582.1067364586636-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 28 19:50:53 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Arthur) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:50:53 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows Message-ID: <01C39D52.2034DBC0.valhalla_hes@direcway.com> In Heimskringla didn't King Olav use a bow? Kjartan. ____________________ Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. -----Original Message----- From: Wulfhere se Treowryhta [SMTP:wulfhere@masspostroad.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:27 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] viking bows I was starting to get the impression you were annoyed by the concept. I realize it's a compromise. Many historians think archers were poorly regarded peasants for most of history so no one gave a rats backside if they got hurt or not. Backing it took to much time and resource just like built up handles. Roger Ascham, in "Toxophilus" comments on the fact that even at that late date, with organized armies and "armories", many archers were peasants who provided their own bows and often brought "bent sticks" instead of quality bows. I fail to see how a natural fiber back detracts so much from the experience of archery in war but hey. I can only hope some grave digger lifts a backed bow from British soil sometime soon. Until then, I'll stick to the SCA archery range where I'm considered an authenticity freak. Wood self bow with no sealant, handle grip, wrapping or arrow shelf. Heck, the tournament marshall wasn't going to let me shoot off the hand because it was quite unsafe. On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:46 PM, Chris Boulton wrote: >> I've been riding a bicycle for 35years (I'm 38). In all those >> years, >> I've never slammed my head on the pavement, nor have I ever personally >> known anyone who has. So, I guess helmets are pointless... > > Giggle. Yes, I take your point, but we think it's unnecessary to > compromise > authenticity to such a degree in this instance. We do need to think > carefully about safety, and debates like this are never wasted - they > make > us think about what we're doing and sometimes do lead to a decision to > make > a change. Not this time though. > > Cheers, > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 28 20:05:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:05:54 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: <01C39D52.2034DBC0.valhalla_hes@direcway.com> Message-ID: <002f01c39d8e$e4aebe80$015e6451@duron800> > And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: > but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Hmm...meaning....Heavy Rock? From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Oct 28 23:51:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:51:46 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'll use one reply to summarize my side of this tired debate. > And its certainly not an issue to stomp off, take your toys and going > to play elsewhere over. > Well now that's not true. The National Missiles Officer of Regia Anglorum has failed my "toys". I have no choice but to bugger off with them. I accept that this is how it works and respect his authority. It still saddens me so. I'm going as far as I can with my limited means and modest education. My ilk stems from the large quantity of money spent on, in retrospect, bad advice and bows that cannot be used at a regia event. Also seems like the Barony of Bergental in the East Kingdom of the SCA has some odd quirks that have mislead me as well. In the Baronial Tourney I was the only long bow shooter in an event that included sun glasses and L.L. Bean hunting seats. (Carolyn: The one rule that matters is that the Marshall in Charge has final say and if I ignore it and step to the line I will be banned). The reason I didn't settle on the SCA is that some members don't have any more regard for authenticity than your average Ren Faire. History is nothing but an authenticity debate. The search for the truth is nothing if not elusive. I voiced my opinion with no ill intent. I didn't mean to become the polluter of pure men's souls. I assume that all the Regia standards were the result of such debates? Beer soaked and load at times? Are they over? I have a philosophy that says, "I may disagree with very intelligent people". Some feel that they will only disagree with idiots because all smart people always agree with them. I disagree with this one aspect of Regia regarding backing on bows. I feel it is a great organization of great people with a wealth of knowledge that I am glad to have access to. I still disagree on this point if only because I have to get another bow if I want to participate. What if I ever choose to debate a serious issue like women in combat?!?!? If Regia does not appreciate a good debate I will excuse myself with no hard feelings. It is a hobby after all and there's lots of great people in the SCA I can share my interest with. I'm not above being some odd man who hacks at a post with a dull blade in his back yard while wearing chain maille (probably in-authentic). If I ever feel the need to butt heads with an intellectual superior I can call my sister or any SCA Laurel. Like Herbie the Elf and Rudolf the Red Nodes Reindeer, "even among misfits, I'm a misfit." From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 00:39:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (steve anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:39:06 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Introduction and question References: Message-ID: <3F9F0C2A.88AF9587@cox.net> Hello (Hej) I have been snooping on the list for a little while and find it very informative. My oldest son ( twenty-somethingish) invited me to join SCA. I will prolly do this, I am really more interested in creating an authnetic persona that reflects the spiritual values of the Norse before the Conversion. I have also a question on the Sagas. I see references to 'corn' in some of them, like in the Valla-Ljots Saga. I am assuming the term 'corn' refers to what we call 'grain' and not to the product of South Anerica. Btw, I live in Rhode Island, USA best regards. Valbörkr > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 11:16:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:16:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements Message-ID: <20031029111612.15359.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> With all the debate on archery equipment and what fails or passes, I was wondering where I could get a printable copy of the weapons regulations so that I don't make any costly mistakes. As an example, I was surfing various British sites and came across one that has spear heads with steel balls welded to the end "for Regia combat". Is this required? I don't know and would not like to spend an afternoon making one to find out it is illegal. I have looked around but have not found any clear regulations. Ideas anyone? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 11:50:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Introduction and question In-Reply-To: <3F9F0C2A.88AF9587@cox.net> References: <3F9F0C2A.88AF9587@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031029064537.046c6218@mmail> Steve: Welcome. >I am assuming the term 'corn' refers to what we call 'grain' That's correct. >Btw, I live in Rhode Island, USA Alas, there was a Regia affiliated group in RI which decided to disband this year. Info at: http://www.hurstwic.org I'm one of the remnants of that group. In addition, there are a couple of other people in central and eastern Mass who you'll see on the list. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 13:11:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:11:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements Message-ID: <23851956.1067433071816.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> ------=_Part_5209_10995901.1067433071814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Juan, Do you have the link for the spearhead? (Lately there has been a couple of message threads on the Regia e-group about traders dealing over the internet and telling customers that their products are Regia "legal", when in fact they fall short). If you could provide a URL, I'm sure someone on the MaA side could tell you if it is up to standards. Bill/Leifr Message date : Oct 29 2003, 11:17 AM >From : santell juan To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements With all the debate on archery equipment and what fails or passes, I was wondering where I could get a printable copy of the weapons regulations so that I don't make any costly mistakes. As an example, I was surfing various British sites and came across one that has spear heads with steel balls welded to the end "for Regia combat". Is this required? I don't know and would not like to spend an afternoon making one to find out it is illegal. I have looked around but have not found any clear regulations. Ideas anyone? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Hi Juan,

Do you have the link for the spearhead?  (Lately there has been a c= ouple of message threads on the Regia e-group about traders dealing ov= er the internet and telling customers that their products are Regia "legal"= , when in fact they fall short).  If you could provide a URL, I'm sure= someone on the MaA side could tell you if it is up to standards.

Bill/Leifr



Message date : Oct 29 2003, 11:17 AM
From : santell juan=
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subj= ect : [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements
With all the debate on archery equ= ipment and what
fails or passes, I was wondering where I could get a printable copy of the weapons regulations so that I
don't make any co= stly mistakes. As an example, I was
surfing various British sites and c= ame across one that
has spear heads with steel balls welded to the end =
"for Regia combat". Is this required? I don't know
and would not li= ke to spend an afternoon making one to
find out it is illegal. I have l= ooked around but have
not found any clear regulations. Ideas anyone?
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------=_Part_5209_10995901.1067433071814-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 17:13:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:13:48 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements In-Reply-To: <23851956.1067433071816.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C39E40.0464B430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan What you need is a copy of the MAA (master at arms) regulations, they are available in the files section of the main regia egroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regia/files/Documents/Official/ these outline what is permitted and what isn't from a constructional view. If you are talking about these [ http://www.archery-centre.co.uk/Catalogue/Spearheads.shtml ] then from what as been discussed on the main Regia list they are not thick enough at the edge and are likely to be innapropriate. Usual disclaimer, i am NOT the maa nor one of his deputies, Dave Pateman has the _final_ word. My advice is (unless you are sure) ask before you make anything. HTH Kram N. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C39E40.0464B430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Juan
 
What=20 you need is a copy of the MAA (master at arms) regulations, they are = available=20 in the files section of the main regia egroup ht= tp://groups.yahoo.com/group/regia/files/Documents/Official/ thes= e=20 outline what is permitted and what isn't from a constructional=20 view.
 
If you=20 are talking about these [ http:= //www.archery-centre.co.uk/Catalogue/Spearheads.shtml=20 ] then from what as been discussed on the main Regia list they are = not=20 thick enough at the edge and are likely to=20 be innapropriate.
 
Usual=20 disclaimer, i am NOT the maa nor one of his deputies, Dave Pateman has = the=20 _final_ word.  My advice is (unless you are sure) ask before = you make=20 anything.
 
HTH
 
Kram
N.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C39E40.0464B430-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 20:00:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:00:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site Message-ID: <20031029200056.78857.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for Regia combat is at the bottom. http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 20:31:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:31:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site In-Reply-To: <20031029200056.78857.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031029203117.43109.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1615164597-1067459477=:41108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nothing wrong with that one by the looks of it.If in any doubt i'm sure some one in Regia uk has bought one & will comment but Jelling Dragon know what Regia will pass. Regards, Mik santell juan wrote: Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for Regia combat is at the bottom. http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-1615164597-1067459477=:41108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Nothing wrong with that one by the looks of it.If in any doubt i'm sure some one in Regia uk has bought one & will comment but Jelling Dragon know what Regia will pass.
Regards,
Mik

santell juan <jpsantell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for
Regia combat is at the bottom.

http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm


Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over


Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger --0-1615164597-1067459477=:41108-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 20:45:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:45:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site Message-ID: <8228317.1067460343035.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> ------=_Part_11125_1847211.1067460343032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know that Jelling does do some quality products, but I can't recall seeing a spearhead like that. I would email JD and ask who the manufacturer is (I know they do a lot of business with Paul Binns who does produce quality stuff) and then ask the MaA. Anybody else seen/experience with a head like this? Bill Message date : Oct 29 2003, 08:01 PM >From : santell juan To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Spear site Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for Regia combat is at the bottom. http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_Part_11125_1847211.1067460343032 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I know that Jelling does do some quality products, but I can't recall seeing a spearhead like that.  I would email JD and ask who the manufacturer is (I know they do a lot of business with Paul Binns who does produce quality stuff) and then ask the MaA.  Anybody else seen/experience with a head like this?

Bill



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Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for
Regia combat is at the bottom.

http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm

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------=_Part_11125_1847211.1067460343032-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 22:11:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (PAUL WADDINGTON) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:11:33 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site Message-ID: Paul Binns does very nice ones, but you have to specoify that there for regia use. Cheers Paul >From: mik lawson >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Spear site >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:31:17 +0000 (GMT) > >Nothing wrong with that one by the looks of it.If in any doubt i'm sure >some one in Regia uk has bought one & will comment but Jelling Dragon know >what Regia will pass. >Regards, >Mik > >santell juan wrote: >Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for >Regia combat is at the bottom. > >http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm > > >Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over > > >--------------------------------- >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE >Yahoo!Messenger _________________________________________________________________ From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 23:28:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Kerr) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site References: <8228317.1067460343035.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <006901c39e74$9db33bf0$4d9b08d8@boatanchor> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C39E4A.823EFB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used these Jelldragon spears. There are cheap, functional and = sturdy, but UGLY!!!! You can do much better. Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C39E4A.823EFB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have used these Jelldragon = spears.  There=20 are cheap, functional and sturdy, but UGLY!!!!  You can do much=20 better.
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C39E4A.823EFB40-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 29 23:53:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:53:49 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Spear site References: <20031029203117.43109.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <088201c39e77$e73dcdf0$46722052@kim1> I have written to Rob Taylor of Jelling Dragon to ask for clarification of the suitability of his spearheads for Regia use. I have scanned the MAA regs as a jpg and have put it on webshots under http://community.webshots.com/album/84840931uyDaFD It is in the first album, "Kim's views" simply because its the first one that comes up. Regards, Kim Siddorn I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a free frontal lobotomy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mik lawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Spear site > Nothing wrong with that one by the looks of it.If in any doubt i'm sure some one in Regia uk has bought one & will comment but Jelling Dragon know what Regia will pass. > Regards, > Mik > > santell juan wrote: > Here is the site with the spearheads. The one for > Regia combat is at the bottom. > > http://www.jelldragon.com/vik_weapons.htm > > > Heaven doesn't want me & Hell is afraid i'll take over > > > --------------------------------- > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 30 15:51:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:51:16 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] New List for Norse-folk types Message-ID: Morning guys As some of you may now by know I have signed off the Norsefolk list due = to the ever increasing high span content and the apparent lack of = concern of it by the moderators. I average between 300-500 non work = related emails a day and all my spam is coming from that one list. While = I infact do have a delete button at my disposal, I find the amount of = spam on that list unacceptable, as is the lack of concern on the part of = the owners. I know that others are concerned about this too so I have created a = second moderated list for the folks that are interested in that sort of = thing. Anyway, Just want to let you know that I have set up a second Norsefolk list, it = can be found here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2/ This group is meant to be a SPAM FREE, moderated alternative for the = YahooGroup Norsefolk. In order to reduce the number of spammers applying, after subscribing, a = automated message will go out to the person asking them to confirm their = interest in the group by replying all to the message, which will be sent = to all the group owners/moderators so that one of then can approve the = subscription. Like I said most of this is automated and is very minimal = work for the moderators will be minimal. All other policies of the original Norsefolk list are enforced, they can = bee seen here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk/ If current members of the Norsefolk list wish to subscribe and don't = want to deal with the confirmation process send me an email directly at = halvgrimr@calontir.org and I will add you manually There will be multiple moderators very soon that will be able to handle = the additional responsibilities (which again are very minimal). If after a few weeks the interest isn't there, I will just kill the = group and go on with life. For now I ask that nothing that I may contribute or pass on to you fine = folks be forwarded that that particular group. This may seem childish = but it is my wish for now. Halvgrimr H From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 30 16:03:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:03:46 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: New List for Norse-folk types Message-ID: Ops, seems I jumped the gun and someone has already created a second = moderated list disregard my message and I will keep you all informed as it solidifies Halvgrimr > -----Original Message----- > From: Schuster, Robert L. =20 > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:51 AM > To: California_Viking_Age (E-mail); Kunskapen_Soka (E-mail); = List-Regia-Us (E-mail); Newvarangianguard (E-mail); Standing_Stones = (E-mail); Shire of WyvernCliffe (E-mail); TheManx (E-mail); = The-Vikings-List (E-mail) > Subject: New List for Norse-folk types >=20 > Morning guys >=20 > As some of you may now by know I have signed off the Norsefolk list = due to the ever increasing high span content and the apparent lack of = concern of it by the moderators. I average between 300-500 non work = related emails a day and all my spam is coming from that one list. While = I infact do have a delete button at my disposal, I find the amount of = spam on that list unacceptable, as is the lack of concern on the part of = the owners. >=20 > I know that others are concerned about this too so I have created a = second moderated list for the folks that are interested in that sort of = thing. >=20 > Anyway, >=20 >=20 > Just want to let you know that I have set up a second Norsefolk list, = it can be found here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2/ >=20 > This group is meant to be a SPAM FREE, moderated alternative for the = YahooGroup Norsefolk. >=20 > In order to reduce the number of spammers applying, after subscribing, = a automated message will go out to the person asking them to confirm = their interest in the group by replying all to the message, which will = be sent to all the group owners/moderators so that one of then can = approve the subscription. Like I said most of this is automated and is = very minimal work for the moderators will be minimal. >=20 > All other policies of the original Norsefolk list are enforced, they = can bee seen here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk/ >=20 > If current members of the Norsefolk list wish to subscribe and don't = want to deal with the confirmation process send me an email directly at = halvgrimr@calontir.org and I will add you manually >=20 > There will be multiple moderators very soon that will be able to = handle the additional responsibilities (which again are very minimal). >=20 > If after a few weeks the interest isn't there, I will just kill the = group and go on with life. >=20 > For now I ask that nothing that I may contribute or pass on to you = fine folks be forwarded that that particular group. This may seem = childish but it is my wish for now. >=20 > Halvgrimr >=20 >=20 > H >=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 30 16:15:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Gareth Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:15:02 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements Message-ID: As some one who knows Tom Foy (Owner of The Archery Centre) if his spearhead is not appropriate for Regia and he is advertising it as so, then it may be worth Kim or the MAA telling him. He gets all his arrows made by a local Blacksmith, and I assume this is who does the spears. Tom is now a re-enactor so he will happily change the spears to Regia spec, if he can. As I said he is a good guy so he will chage them if it is in his power. All the best Goose -----Original Message----- From: nathan [mailto:fenrirr@lycos.co.uk] Sent: 29 October 2003 17:14 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Weapons Equirements If you are talking about these [ http://www.archery-centre.co.uk/Catalogue/Spearheads.shtml ] then from what as been discussed on the main Regia list they are not thick enough at the edge and are likely to be innapropriate. This line certifies that this message has been scanned for the presense of viruses. Using McAfee Groupshield. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Labgear Ltd. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Oct 30 20:38:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (santell juan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <20031030203807.52811.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way to make this document accessible to the rest of us? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 00:13:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <20031031001320.WDAC16046.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> That goes for me too. Does this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ? Martin > From: santell juan > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA > > It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy > of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way > to make this document accessible to the rest of us? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 01:18:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:18:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <29992578.1067563107978.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_9266_21974776.1067563107976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members. Martin, I would have thought you had been added :o) BTW, have you received my subs yet? Bill (Leifr) Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM >From : marfield66@sympatico.ca To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] MAA That goes for me too. Does this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ? Martin > From: santell juan > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA > > It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy > of the MAA is only open to members. 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The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members.  Martin, I would have= thought you had been added  :o) 

BTW, have you received my subs yet?

Bill (Leifr)



Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM
From : marfield66@s= ympatico.ca
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
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Subject : Re: = [Regia-NA] MAA

That goes for me too.
Does this suggest some of = us have not been processed to gain access ?
Martin

> From: s= antell juan
> Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 = EST
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA >
> It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy
>= ; of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way
> to make thi= s document accessible to the rest of us?
>
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------=_Part_9266_21974776.1067563107976-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 02:40:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <20031031024041.WKYS2231.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.18]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1067568041465_(keGYh=sFZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill I still have another bundle of mail to open (we only arrived back yesterday) but at least can confirm seeing your envelope. I will confirm with you and everyone that all is in order once I open the renewals etc which will hopefully be tomorrow. I'm at work right now on late shift so please bear with me. I will also be transferring the capping fees ASAP. Cheers Martin > From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 08:18:27 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] MAA > > The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members. Martin, I would have thought you had been added :o) > BTW, have you received my subs yet? > Bill (Leifr) > > > > > Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM > From : marfield66@sympatico.ca > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] MAA > > That goes for me too. > Does this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ? > Martin > > > From: santell juan > > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA > > > > It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy > > of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way > > to make this document accessible to the rest of us? > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > ------=____1067568041465_(keGYh=sFZ Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"

The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members.  Martin, I would have thought you had been added  :o) 

BTW, have you received my subs yet?

Bill (Leifr)



Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM
From : marfield66@sympatico.ca
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] MAA

That goes for me too.
Does this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ?
Martin

> From: santell juan
> Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA
>
> It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy
> of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way
> to make this document accessible to the rest of us?
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears
> http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/
> _______________________________________________
> list-regia-na mailing list
> list-regia-na@lig.net
> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na
>

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------=____1067568041465_(keGYh=sFZ-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 04:06:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:06:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <31798998.1067573173344.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> ------=_Part_64_20144134.1067573173341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No pressure. Hope you had a good trip! Bill Message date : Oct 31 2003, 02:41 AM >From : marfield66@sympatico.ca To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : Re: Re: [Regia-NA] MAA Bill I still have another bundle of mail to open (we only arrived back yesterday) but at least can confirm seeing your envelope. I will confirm with you and everyone that all is in order once I open the renewals etc which will hopefully be tomorrow. I'm at work right now on late shift so please bear with me. I will also be transferring the capping fees ASAP. Cheers Martin > From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 08:18:27 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] MAA > > The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members. Martin, I would have thought you had been added :o) > BTW, have you received my subs yet? > Bill (Leifr) > > > > > Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM > From : marfield66@sympatico.ca > To : list-regia-na@lig.net > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [Regia-NA] MAA > > That goes for me too. > Does this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ? > Martin > > > From: santell juan > > Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA > > > > It appears that the yahoo regia site that has a copy > > of the MAA is only open to members. Is there any way > > to make this document accessible to the rest of us? > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > [ reply (1.5 Kb) ] ------=_Part_64_20144134.1067573173341 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No pressure.  Hope you had a good trip!

 

Bill



Message date : Oct 31 2003, 02:41 AM
From : marfield66@s= ympatico.ca
To : list-regia-na@lig.net
Copy to :
Subject : Re: = Re: [Regia-NA] MAA

Bill
I still have another bundle of mail to = open (we only arrived back yesterday) but at least can confirm seeing your = envelope.
I will confirm with you and everyone that all is in order onc= e I open the renewals etc which will hopefully be tomorrow.
I'm at work= right now on late shift so please bear with me.
I will also be transfe= rring the capping fees ASAP.
Cheers
Martin

> From: VIKIN= G@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk
> Date: 2003/10/30 Thu PM 08:18:27 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] MAA <= BR>>
> The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members. Martin, I wo= uld have thought you had been added :o)
> BTW, have you received my = subs yet?
> Bill (Leifr)
>
>
>
>
>= ; Message date : Oct 31 2003, 12:15 AM
> From : marfield66@sympatico= .ca
> To : list-regia-na@lig.net
> Copy to :
> Subject= : Re: [Regia-NA] MAA
>
> That goes for me too.
> Does= this suggest some of us have not been processed to gain access ?
> = Martin
>
> > From: santell juan
> > Date: 2003/1= 0/30 Thu PM 03:38:07 EST
> > To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> &= gt; Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA
> >
> > It appears that the= yahoo regia site that has a copy
> > of the MAA is only open to = members. Is there any way
> > to make this document accessible to= the rest of us?
> >
> > ______________________________= ____
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[ reply (1.5 Kb) ] ------=_Part_64_20144134.1067573173341-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 08:01:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:01:43 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking bows References: Message-ID: <3FA216E7.1040007@bellsouth.net> Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: >> > > I'll use one reply to summarize my side of this tired debate. > >> And its certainly not an issue to stomp off, take your toys and going >> to play elsewhere over. >> > > Well now that's not true. The National Missiles Officer of Regia > Anglorum has failed my "toys". I have no choice but to bugger off with > them. I accept that this is how it works and respect his authority. It > still saddens me so. > > I'm going as far as I can with my limited means and modest > education. My ilk stems from the large quantity of money spent on, in > retrospect, bad advice and bows that cannot be used at a regia event. > Also seems like the Barony of Bergental in the East Kingdom of the SCA > has some odd quirks that have mislead me as well. In the Baronial > Tourney I was the only long bow shooter in an event that included sun > glasses and L.L. Bean hunting seats. (Carolyn: The one rule that matters > is that the Marshall in Charge has final say and if I ignore it and step > to the line I will be banned). The reason I didn't settle on the SCA is > that some members don't have any more regard for authenticity than your > average Ren Faire. From what I've seen of the SCA Marshallate the rules change every time the officers do. Keep faith and persevere. The stuff you have in the SCA will come back in fashion. They say the 70's culture is popular now. :) > > History is nothing but an authenticity debate. The search for the truth > is nothing if not elusive. I voiced my opinion with no ill intent. I > didn't mean to become the polluter of pure men's souls. I assume that > all the Regia standards were the result of such debates? Beer soaked and > load at times? Are they over? > > I have a philosophy that says, "I may disagree with very intelligent > people". Some feel that they will only disagree with idiots because all > smart people always agree with them. I disagree with this one aspect of > Regia regarding backing on bows. I feel it is a great organization of > great people with a wealth of knowledge that I am glad to have access > to. I still disagree on this point if only because I have to get another > bow if I want to participate. What if I ever choose to debate a serious > issue like women in combat?!?!? > > If Regia does not appreciate a good debate I will excuse myself with > no hard feelings. It is a hobby after all and there's lots of great > people in the SCA I can share my interest with. I'm not above being some > odd man who hacks at a post with a dull blade in his back yard while > wearing chain maille (probably in-authentic). If I ever feel the need > to butt heads with an intellectual superior I can call my sister or any > SCA Laurel. Speaking as an SCA Laurel, butting heads with them is like butting in the ends of beer casks (an early American custom, I am assured my earliest known ancestor 1680 in Maine was arrested for running a pub). Arguing with a gaggle of Laurels goes no where normally. In the end after listening to five Ducal Ranks insult the Laurels and Pelicans as incapable of polling correctly as whole orders I decided the Ducal Ranks had a lot of damned nuisances themselves (fairly ignorant too) and that unfortunately my Laurel Order mates hadn't the backbone to stand up for themselves. But I did. All by myself. In the end I decided I wouldn't be a Kingdom Laurel anymore. It began to feel soiled and unsuitable for me. A Laurel is a Society-wide Peerage in any event. If the local chapter is unsuitable in the backbone and ethics areas forget that, and continue to contribute on a larger stage. I know a few Laurels I would sooner substitute a Prison inmate in my home for when considering their honesty and behavior. Not in this door again. I spent three years working in] maximum security while in college. 80% of the time was in the mental wards - mostly because I took too many weapons and druga away (my last two years in the regular cellblocks and dormitories netted 120+ shanks - figure that was the other 20% of my time. If I want a bit of self abuse I provoke rather provocative SCA Dukes for amusement. Call it Death Wish V. > Like Herbie the Elf and Rudolf the Red Nodes Reindeer, "even among > misfits, I'm a misfit." If you feel the urge to run with some alphas join up with the Great Dark Horde. http://www.greatdarkhorde.net but be aware of the teeth. Unlike the SCA they have a year minimum watch on potential members. I've kept two thieving lice out myself with documentation. The SCA does not do that, even in the Peerages. It's a good practice. I wouldn't give up on Regia - it may well turn into something far better than the too socially structured SCA in this country, and already alternatives are cropping up - in Adrian Empire, Medieval Markland Militia, Vestrus Vikings, OstVikings, Longship Company, etc.. Master Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 09:39:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Allan McVie) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:39:40 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA In-Reply-To: <29992578.1067563107978.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031031092914.00b1caf8@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> At 02:18 31/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: >The Regia Yahoo site is only open to members. Martin, I would have >thought you had been added :o) > >BTW, have you received my subs yet? > >Bill (Leifr) Yes the regia e-group is members only but you have to ask either Jon Smith cynewulf@ntlworld.com or Ian Uzzel (Snorri) snorri@vikingasaga.freeserve.co.uk to be put on the e-group. Allan Allan McVie 28 Barlogan Quad., Glasgow G52 1AH 0141 883 1624 amv2f@udcf.gla.ac.uk From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 10:35:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:35:34 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] MAA Message-ID: <20031031103534.IAVJ21223.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.63]> > Yes the regia e-group is members only but you have to ask either Jon > Smith cynewulf@ntlworld.com or Ian Uzzel (Snorri) > snorri@vikingasaga.freeserve.co.uk to be put on the e-group. Just tell me who you are and which group you are in; then remind me when I forget; sometimes all the spam i get for being regia webmaster brings me down. Talking of which - when I've got back in contact with the MaA we will be publishing the latest version of the MaA regs on the members part of the regia website members.regia.org - this is where you can find other regulations. Jon ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 14:20:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:20:09 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] New Norsefolk list (no really this time!) Message-ID: Morning guys, again As some of you may now by know several of the folks concerned about the = amount of spam on the old Norsefolk list have created a spam free = alternative, since two of us had the same idea and created two separate = 'new' lists we put our heads together yesterday and decide which of = these new lists to keep. We were also giving the current moderators = another day to reply. Since they haven't and we got everything on our = end worked out we are officially opening up the 'new' list. It can in fact still be found here = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2/ In order to reduce the number of spammers applying, after subscribing, a = automated message will go out to the person asking them to confirm their = interest in the group by replying all to the message, which will be sent = to all the group owners/moderators so that one of then can approve the = subscription. Like I said most of this is automated and is very minimal = work for the moderators. All other policies of the original Norsefolk list will be enforced, they = can bee seen at the url above also. Yesterday I mentioned that if current members of the Norsefolk list wish = to subscribe and don't want to deal with the confirmation process that = they could send me an email directly I would add you manually, well it = seems that one of YahooGroups latest 'improvements' is to limit the = number of folks that can be added manually to 10 per day so that is no = longer an option. I apologize for the inconvenience but subscribing like = normal will have to be done. Luckily the moderators are some of the more = 'active' members of the old list and will recognize many of your email = addys so we will just add you as the subscriptions come in, for those = addy's we don't recognize we will wait for the confirmation emails = before approving the request. There will be multiple moderators that will be able to handle the = additional responsibilities (which again are very minimal), so far we = have three (myself, Guthrothr (Pete) and Linda Rice) and are looking to = increase that number to 5, including at least one more Brit or Aussie so = that thanks to the time differences someone will always be looking in on = the list. For now I ask that nothing that I may contribute or pass on to you fine = folks be forwarded to the original Norsefolk group. This may seem = childish but it is my wish for now. Halvgrimr ps, if you sent me a request yesterday in response to the note there is = no need to apply again, you are most likely already approved (I show no = pending members at this time anyway) also, since to day is a holiday of sorts and some of us wont be here all = day, the subscribing process may be a little slow today as we are going = to be a little short today at times. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 14:39:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Beowulf Live! Message-ID: <9818e442.db755a56.81c2500@punts5.cc.uga.edu> This past Tuesday night, Mark Miner, a graduate student in Classics here at the University of Georgia, recited the first 836 lines of Beowulf (through the fight with Grendel) in Old English. With feeling. What fun! First, there would be a modern English reading of a section, the Mark would recite it, which made understanding the original much easier. A friend of mine, Kelly Stewart, provided harp interludes, nothing medieval, but very nice indeed. (She's a UGA grad too, and just finished her masters in historical musicology and performance at the University of North Wales.) About 2/3 of the way though there was a break for food and mead. Great (modern) food! The sorority girls who did the food did a fantastic job -- I just recommended them to cater a wedding reception. Thereafter the modern English version became much less straight-faced. The old English was completely hammed up. (It's like I tell my audiences, "the most important thing to remember about Celtic music is: the more you drink, the better we sound.") There were about 50 people in the audience, which just about filled the space, some obviously students in Dr. Provost's Old English class, some former students (some even my age -- Dr. P's been at this for a while), local folks and some in from Atlanta. Mark was bemoaning the fact that the costume he intended to do this in was still stuck in California, but from his description and the person who made it, it sounded pretty good. I do wish that they had dimmed the lights from the beginning (they did at half-time). Altogether a delightful evening. -- Tracie From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 15:22:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:22:57 -0600 Subject: [Regia-NA] BLOODY KING LINKED TO SAXON BEACH FIND Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39FC2.DCBF4231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From another list:=20 =20 =20 http://www.iwcp.co.uk/fullstory.asp?storyid=3D1 By Richard Wright A RARE gold sword belt ornament which could have belonged to the seventh century Saxon king, Caedwalla, has been found on an Island beach - and = there could be another hidden under the sands. Discovery of the intricate gold decoration encrusted with garnets is regarded as being especially historically significant because it could = have belonged to the king reputed to have put a quarter of the Island = population to the sword in his attempt to convert them to Christianity. Enthusiast Darren Trickey, 21, had gone out for a few minutes with his = metal detector when he came across the find of a lifetime on the beach at Bembridge. Removal man Darren, of Dennett Road, Bembridge, said: "It glowed like it = was brand new when I dug it up. "I'm told it could be worth up to =A330,000 and I would love it if the = IW Council's museum service would bid for it because it would be great to = see it displayed on the Island with my name underneath it. "I have been detecting since I was ten and have found coins and items of modern jewellery but nothing like this. It is fantastic." At an inquest on Tuesday, Island coroner John Matthews declared the = artefact treasure trove, which will enable museums to buy it from Darren. IW Council archaeological officer Frank Basford told Tuesday's inquest = the spectacular gold pyramidal sword belt fitting was the most important artefact to have been found on the Island since the excavation of Anglo Saxon cemeteries of Bowcombe Down and Chessell Down in the mid 19th = century. "The gold fitting has an octagonal base and is decorated with 16 panels divided into cells. Originally these were inlaid with garnets, only one = of which now survives. "At the base is a bar through which a leather strap would have been threaded. "The eigth century historian, the Venerable Bede, credits Caedwalla with converting the Jutish population of the Island to Christianity. "If this is the case his conversion methods sound rather drastic, as the Island is chronicled as having accepted Christianity some 25 years = earlier when it was ruled by the South Saxons. "As it was found on the beach it may have been dropped by someone = visiting or even invading the Island. "We can be confident its owner was of very high rank. The sword belt = fitting is particularly fine and its octagonal form makes it a unique example. = It is possible it belonged to Caedwalla himself and it is also possible there = is another under the beach because they were worn as pairs." =B7 When other metal detecting enthusiasts had packed up and gone home, = Terry Orme's persistence paid off with the discovery of an important 15th = century ring, which could have royal significance. An inquest decided that the ring, dug up from a Godshill field, was = treasure trove, which opens the way for a museum to buy it and put the ring on display. Half the proceeds of several thousand pounds would go to Mr Orme, 54, of Main Road, Havenstreet, and half to the landowner. But if the British Museum or the IW Council do not want the 95 per cent = pure silver gilt ring, tomato picker Mr Orme said he would like to be able to = pay the landowner for his half and have the ring for himself. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39FC2.DCBF4231 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From another list: 
 
 
http://www.iwcp.= co.uk/fullstory.asp?storyid=3D1
By=20 Richard Wright
A RARE gold sword belt ornament which could have = belonged to=20 the seventh
century Saxon king, Caedwalla, has been found on an = Island beach=20 - and there
could be another hidden under the sands.

Discovery = of the=20 intricate gold decoration encrusted with garnets is
regarded as being = especially historically significant because it could have
belonged to = the=20 king reputed to have put a quarter of the Island population
to the = sword in=20 his attempt to convert them to Christianity.
Enthusiast Darren = Trickey, 21,=20 had gone out for a few minutes with his metal
detector when he came = across=20 the find of a lifetime on the beach at
Bembridge.
Removal man = Darren, of=20 Dennett Road, Bembridge, said: "It glowed like it was
brand new when = I dug it=20 up.
"I'm told it could be worth up to =A330,000 and I would love it = if the=20 IW
Council's museum service would bid for it because it would be = great to=20 see
it displayed on the Island with my name underneath it.
"I have = been=20 detecting since I was ten and have found coins and items of
modern = jewellery=20 but nothing like this. It is fantastic."
At an inquest on Tuesday, = Island=20 coroner John Matthews declared the artefact
treasure trove, which = will enable=20 museums to buy it from Darren.
IW Council archaeological officer = Frank=20 Basford told Tuesday's inquest the
spectacular gold pyramidal sword = belt=20 fitting was the most important
artefact to have been found on the = Island=20 since the excavation of Anglo
Saxon cemeteries of Bowcombe Down and = Chessell=20 Down in the mid 19th century.
"The gold fitting has an octagonal base = and is=20 decorated with 16 panels
divided into cells. Originally these were = inlaid=20 with garnets, only one of
which now survives.
"At the base is a = bar=20 through which a leather strap would have been
threaded.
"The eigth = century=20 historian, the Venerable Bede, credits Caedwalla with
converting the = Jutish=20 population of the Island to Christianity.
"If this is the case his = conversion=20 methods sound rather drastic, as the
Island is chronicled as having = accepted=20 Christianity some 25 years earlier
when it was ruled by the South=20 Saxons.
"As it was found on the beach it may have been dropped by = someone=20 visiting
or even invading the Island.
"We can be confident its = owner was=20 of very high rank. The sword belt fitting
is particularly fine and = its=20 octagonal form makes it a unique example. It is
possible it belonged = to=20 Caedwalla himself and it is also possible there is
another under the = beach=20 because they were worn as pairs."
=B7 When other metal detecting = enthusiasts=20 had packed up and gone home, Terry
Orme's persistence paid off with = the=20 discovery of an important 15th century
ring, which could have royal=20 significance.
An inquest decided that the ring, dug up from a = Godshill field,=20 was treasure
trove, which opens the way for a museum to buy it and = put the=20 ring on
display.
Half the proceeds of several thousand pounds = would go to=20 Mr Orme, 54, of
Main Road, Havenstreet, and half to the = landowner.
But if=20 the British Museum or the IW Council do not want the 95 per cent = pure
silver=20 gilt ring, tomato picker Mr Orme said he would like to be able to = pay
the=20 landowner for his half and have the ring for=20 himself.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C39FC2.DCBF4231-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 15:59:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:59:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031031155915.58360.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> I made a mantle to wear for SCA, using the description in Gale Owen-Crocker's book (Oval, longer in back). I used a keyhole neckline, so it would fit closer around my neck, and I lined it with fake sheepskin fleece. It's a tan wool, in a plain weave. Will this pass for Regia use? Where do I send pictures of my stuff to have it checked for authenticity? Also, the mantle, being longer (and thus heavier)in back tends to slip back until the bottom of the keyhole opening is pressing against my throat. It seems to me that this would have been a problem in period, too. Even pinning it to the dress in front would not keep it in place, it would just pull the dress up also. How did they manage? Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 16:17:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:17:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Another clothing question In-Reply-To: <20031031155915.58360.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031031161744.64127.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Wimple and/or veil. Where can I find patterns for these? Also, what material, and what weight? I've seen a reference to a "head-rail", described as being around 22" X 44", draped over the head with one end flipped across the opposite shoulder. Is this accurate? And again, what fabric? Linen, fine wool, silk? I know I'm still a serf, but since it will take a while to weave the new stuff, especially if I need to spin it on a drop spindle too, it won't hurt to get started now. Since I live here in the back of beyond, unless I get to England I'll probably never see a real regia event, and I plan to wear my handwoven just-stepped-out-of-a-bog outfit to SCA events. I just want it to be as "right" as it can be. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 16:21:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:21:51 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031155915.58360.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c39fcb$19c627a0$9c4d7ad5@m1w9d8> my mantle is made from fine wool and lined in even finer wool. Not sheep skin. I would suggest that that's your problem. when Gail did a talk for us she was of the opinion that they were more like cardigans..extra warmth for inside on cold days than cloaks made to protect you from the worst of the elements. when I'm cooking and don't want it dangling I belt it into the waist. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Ward" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question > I made a mantle to wear for SCA, using the description > in Gale Owen-Crocker's book (Oval, longer in back). > I used a keyhole neckline, so it would fit closer > around my neck, and I lined it with fake sheepskin > fleece. It's a tan wool, in a plain weave. > Will this pass for Regia use? Where do I send pictures > of my stuff to have it checked for authenticity? > Also, the mantle, being longer (and thus heavier)in > back tends to slip back until the bottom of the > keyhole opening is pressing against my throat. It > seems to me that this would have been a problem in > period, too. Even pinning it to the dress in front > would not keep it in place, it would just pull the > dress up also. How did they manage? > Edwinna > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 16:30:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:30:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question Message-ID: <678658.1067617816265.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ------=_Part_6268_25410929.1067617816262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you say "fake" wool, what do you mean? Bill Message date : Oct 31 2003, 03:59 PM >From : Jan Ward To : list-regia-na@lig.net Copy to : Subject : [Regia-NA] Mantle question I made a mantle to wear for SCA, using the description in Gale Owen-Crocker's book (Oval, longer in back). I used a keyhole neckline, so it would fit closer around my neck, and I lined it with fake sheepskin fleece. It's a tan wool, in a plain weave. Will this pass for Regia use? Where do I send pictures of my stuff to have it checked for authenticity? Also, the mantle, being longer (and thus heavier)in back tends to slip back until the bottom of the keyhole opening is pressing against my throat. It seems to me that this would have been a problem in period, too. Even pinning it to the dress in front would not keep it in place, it would just pull the dress up also. How did they manage? Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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When you say "fake" wool, what do you mean?

 

Bill



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I made a mantle to wear for SCA, using th= e description
in Gale Owen-Crocker's book (Oval, longer in back).
I= used a keyhole neckline, so it would fit closer
around my neck, and I = lined it with fake sheepskin
fleece. It's a tan wool, in a plain weave.=
Will this pass for Regia use? Where do I send pictures
of my stuff= to have it checked for authenticity?
Also, the mantle, being longer (a= nd thus heavier)in
back tends to slip back until the bottom of the
= keyhole opening is pressing against my throat. It
seems to me that this= would have been a problem in
period, too. Even pinning it to the dress= in front
would not keep it in place, it would just pull the
dress = up also. How did they manage?
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------=_Part_6268_25410929.1067617816262-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 16:46:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:46:41 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031155915.58360.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c39fce$8f6758a0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> The so called 'mantle' that appears in Mss always looks to be made from lightweight material, probably dress weight. Personally, I don't think that it was worn principally for warmth, but to cover the curves on the modest Christian female! Again, purely my opinion! Send pictures to steve Etheridge. Regia Authenticity Officer. Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 16:52:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:52:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: <678658.1067617816265.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <20031031165200.36477.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Fake fleece. It's a sort of short curly pile on a knit backing, supposed to look like shearling lamb or something. It passes the 10-foot rule, but if you get your hands on it and separate the pile, you can see that it's man-made. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 17:06:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:06:46 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Beowulf Live! In-Reply-To: <9818e442.db755a56.81c2500@punts5.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031031120358.01b2fa10@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Tracie wrote: >This past Tuesday night, Mark Miner, a graduate student in >Classics here at the University of Georgia, recited the first >836 lines of Beowulf (through the fight with Grendel) in Old >English. Wheeeee! Big fun. ;> Every spring here at Vassar, the Old English instructor (Prof. Mark Amodio) hosts a Beowulf Marathon. Everyone who can read OE gets together one evening and they take turns reading the whole thing straight through. One year my husband went dressed in his mail and played his lyre as part of the fun. (The professor was interested to hear where his opinions differed from Christopher Page's on the playing of the instrument.) Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 17:04:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:04:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: <006e01c39fce$8f6758a0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <20031031170455.90343.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Then, if I remove the lining, the mantle might pass? The wool is probably suit-weight. The lining is pretty heavy. When I made it, I was living in Northern California, and some camping events were cold enough that a lined cloak was a necessity. I usually spread it on top of my sleeping bag for extra warmth at night. Southern California is something else again. There are fewer camping events (other than wars) and the climate would be desert if we didn't siphon off massive amounts of water from places North and East. For most summer events, I wear a linen peplos now, unless we are right on the coast or up in the mountains. We had triple-digit temperatures right up through mid October this year. At least this week the temperatures started dropping, so they can start putting the fires out. Air quality has been "unhealthy" to "very unhealthy" all this past week. But I digress. Where do I email Steve Etheridge? Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 17:05:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:05:55 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031165200.36477.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c39fd1$40367d80$46317ad5@m1w9d8> what 10 foot rule? over this side of the water we don't usually allow such obvious man made fabrics. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Ward" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mantle question > Fake fleece. It's a sort of short curly pile on a knit > backing, supposed to look like shearling lamb or > something. It passes the 10-foot rule, but if you get > your hands on it and separate the pile, you can see > that it's man-made. > Edwinna > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 17:26:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:26:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: <001501c39fd1$40367d80$46317ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <20031031172611.12820.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> The 10-foot rule is an SCA convention, probably not official anywhere. It means that it looks right from 10 feet away. SCA's standards are extremely loose for people attending events in general. For contests and such, the standard goes up, but it's still fairly loose for beginners. At least it is in this area. This doesn't mean that people don't want to see better and more authentic garb and accessories, just that it's hard to enforce. SCA would rather welcome newcomers and ease them in gradually and encourage them to be better and better. Most SCA events are not for the general public, so mis-informing paying clients is not an issue. I think those of us who hanker for more authenticity do it by research and teaching, and then holding period encampments within events. We try to make ourselves better, and encourage the rest by example. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 17:32:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Chris Boulton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:32:25 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031170455.90343.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005501c39fd4$ffdccf10$29456051@duron800> > Where do I email Steve Etheridge? > Edwinna Try this. Chris. Steve Etheridge E-mail Address(es): seibhyrt@hotmail.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 18:17:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:17:22 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031165200.36477.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c39fd1$40367d80$46317ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <009b01c39fdb$3aeef960$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > over this side of the water we don't usually allow such obvious man made > fabrics. > vara We certainly don't allow fake fur...but, there is a fabric that looks a lot like sheepskin that was made either By weaving locks of fleece into the cloth as it is made or, as in York, hooking the locks into loosely woven cloth .Lots of evidence for that in Scandinavian populated places. Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 18:28:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jon Smith) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:28:45 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: <009b01c39fdb$3aeef960$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Having been looking at chasubles... there is at least one mantle (Boethius) that looks like its made from the same construction method as a chasuble. Semi-circle of cloth with a section removed for the neck hole and sewn down the front... Is this a possible? Jon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 27/10/2003 From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 18:33:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:33:37 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: Message-ID: <00a701c39fdd$7fcf80c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> .. Is this a possible? > I have been saying for a long time that chasubles and mantles are basically the same thing, the mantle being a quasi-religious garment.... Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 18:39:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:39:03 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question References: <20031031172611.12820.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c39fde$43f08c60$30367ad5@m1w9d8> thankyou...over here we tend to help newbies get their first set of kit together,...ahh the lovely long evenings finding out who can sew and who can't amongst the newest batch of recruits. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Ward" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mantle question > The 10-foot rule is an SCA convention, probably not > official anywhere. It means that it looks right from > 10 feet away. SCA's standards are extremely loose for > people attending events in general. For contests and > such, the standard goes up, but it's still fairly > loose for beginners. At least it is in this area. This > doesn't mean that people don't want to see better and > more authentic garb and accessories, just that it's > hard to enforce. SCA would rather welcome newcomers > and ease them in gradually and encourage them to be > better and better. Most SCA events are not for the > general public, so mis-informing paying clients is not > an issue. I think those of us who hanker for more > authenticity do it by research and teaching, and then > holding period encampments within events. We try to > make ourselves better, and encourage the rest by > example. > Edwinna > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Oct 31 20:24:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jan Ward) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:24:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mantle question In-Reply-To: <009b01c39fdb$3aeef960$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <20031031202419.23803.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> I don't mind removing the fake fleece. I think I have another, darker, piece of wool that might work with the tan, so I can line it. I'll have to look at it again, and perhaps do a burn test to make sure it's all wool. There is a weaver in the SCA who just recently wove one of those shag cloaks. It was a very long project. I applaud her industry. Tyeing in all those little locks was a job I'm not sure I'd be up for. Edwinna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Oct 18 21:42:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (guthroth) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:42:30 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Viking Seax References: Message-ID: <038601c395b8$a16cf7a0$3c1d8351@user> Hi I knew I'd seen some, but it's taken a couple of days just to find one illustration and one other reference ! The Viking Achievement PP181 Foote & Wilson 1970 (sorry no ISBN) Refering to the grave of a 10thC smith found at Bygland, Morgedal, Norway "The inventory is fantastic: 4 swords, 4 spearheads, 7 axes. 2 shield-bosses, 9 knives, 13 arrowheads, 14 rattles and 8 bits ....... " Unfortunately it gives no illustrations. The Vikings PP 154 - 155 Else Roesdahl 1991 (still no ISBN - sorry) "Opposite:rich male grave from Birka, Sweden, 10th C." "Large Knife (2), a knife (10) This has one image of the whole grave, and I've scanned it from the book. It's a bit big, and although I've cut it down for convenience it it's still 800kb. I will post the image direct to anyone who asks for it, as well as the image sections of the California, Norsefolk and The-Vikings lists on Monday. Pete - Guðroð of Colanhomm Literature stops in 1100. After that it's just books J.R.R. Tolkien > I see people are talking about Viking style seaxs, does anyone have > any photos and details of any seaxs found in Scandinavia during the > Viking period. I have details of ones from the Vendel period as well > as Anglo-Saxon seaxs that were found in the UK. But I have no details > of any Viking ones, information on such finds and details would be > very useful to me for a new standards manual we are working on. > > Ian From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Oct 22 16:45:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sandie Gillbanks) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:45:49 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [The-Vikings-List] RE: Straps and Trains in the Viking Age: Birka's Female Costume in a new Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Initially yes, but I copied, cut and pasted the addres which worked very well Sandie >is anyone else having trouble viewing the images >please let me know if you are. > >Halvgrimr > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >The-Vikings-List-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Sandie