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Hi=20Robert=20
=20Well=20I=20can=20assure=20you=20that=20is=20not=20the=20case=20in=20Mel=
bourne,=20we=20invite=20the=20local=20SCA=20to=20our=20events=20and=20get=20=
invited=20to=20theirs,=20most=20lists=20have=20a=20number=20of=20both=20lu=
rkers=20and=20active=20people=20from=20both=20camps,=20be=20they=20SCA=20
list=20or=20Re-enct=20list=20so=20there=20is=20interaction.=20While=20ther=
e=20are=20SCA=20snobs,=20inverted=20snobs=20and=20Steel=20snobs=20they=20
seem=20to=20be=20able=20to=20control=20themselves=20and=20often=20interact=
=20quite=20well.=20In=20fact=20one=20of=20our=20biggest=20SCA=20critics=20=
finally=20met=20a=20few,=20went=20to=20one=20of=20their=20events=20and=20c=
ame=20back=20saying=20Quote=20"=20They're=20not=20so=20bad,=20really=20not=
=20so=20
bad,=20I=20think=20they=20must=20have=20got=20rid=20of=20the=20idiots=20no=
w,=20they're=20really=20not=20so=20bad."=20While=20that=20keeps=20happenin=
g=20
there's=20always=20hope.
=20We=20have=20had=20a=20few=20inter=20club=20archery=20days=20with=20the=20=
SCA=20and=20metal=20weapons=20clubs=20down=20here=20as=20well,=20
of=20course=20the=20combat=20thingie=20will=20probably=20never=20happen=20=
between=20the=20two=20clubs=20but=20that's=20more=20a=20safety=20
issue,=20a=20couple=20of=20our=20people=20have=20armoured=20up=20for=20tra=
ining=20with=20the=20SCA=20and=20a=20couple=20of=20theirs=20even=20
swallowed=20their=20pride/fear=20and=20tried=20a=20few=20hits=20from=20the=
=20dreaded=20"live=20steel=20"=20=20
=20There=20is=20no=20big=20competition=20between=20the=20two=20groups=20he=
re=20simply=20because=20we=20do=20"allied=20but=20different"=20things.
=20So=20at=20least=20here=20the=20barriers=20are=20slowly=20but=20surely=20=
coming=20down.=20People=20are=20starting=20to=20realise=20that=20there=20a=
re=20
good=20people=20on=20both=20sides=20of=20the=20divide.=20But=20these=20day=
s=20information=20and=20help=20seems=20to=20be=20flowing=20in=20both=20
directions.
=20Then=20again=20you=20are=20living=20in=20Sydney=20and=20nobody=20said=20=
they=20had=20even=20reached=20the=2020th=20century=20yet=20let=20alone=20
the=2021st.=20Ahhh=20Sydney=20melbourne=20rivalry,=20wonderful=20thing=20t=
hat,=20now=20wheres=20that=20damned=20stack=20of=20
Scuds.......=20Ahh=20under=20the=20maile...=20
=20But=20all=20jokes=20aside=20you=20do=20get=20fanatics=20and=20they=20no=
rmally=20get=20what=20they=20deserve=20anyway=20so=20don't=20worry=20too=20=
much=20you=20can=20always=20move=20to=20Melbourne.
Cheers
Sandy
>people=20might=20not=20know=20this,=20but=20for=20the=20last=208=20months=
=20I=20have=20been=20stationed=20
>in=20Australia=20(I=20have=204=20more=20months=20to=20go).=20Things=20are=
=20very=20different=20here=20
>than=20what=20I=20am=20use=20to=20in=20the=20reenactment=20world,=20In=20=
Australia=20you=20have=203=20
>styles=201=20is=20the=20SCA=20then=20you=20have=20what=20they=20call=20he=
re=20"metal=20weapon=20groups"=20=20
>which=20seem=20to=20be=20everywhere=20these=20seem=20to=20be=20broken=20i=
nto=20two=20camps=20one=20we=20
>will=20call,=20=20authentic=20(and=20they=20do=20look=20good,=20about=20a=
s=20good=20if=20not=20better=20
>than=20anything=20you=20will=20find=20in=20europe=20or=20the=20US)=20then=
=20=20you=20have=20the=20"slash=20
>and=20hack=20people"=20these=20guys=20don't=20care=20about=20authenticity=
=20just=20about=20
>fighting=20with=20real=20swords.
>The=20thing=20is=20the=20hatred=20(and=20from=20what=20I=20have=20seen=20=
it=20is=20hatred)=20between=20
>"metal=20weapons"=20groups=20and=20the=20SCA=20and=20it=20is=20strong.=20=
I=20went=20to=20a=20display=20a=20
>few=20weeks=20ago=20at=20a=20small=20place=20north=20of=20Sydney=20and=20=
I=20drove=20in=20to=20the=20parking=20
>area,=20=20I=20saw=20a=20fist=20fight=20between=20a=20couple=20of=20peopl=
e=20from=20two=20of=20these=20
>groups.
>I=20have=20posted=20messages=20on=20the=20SCA=20mailing=20list=20here=20a=
bout=20attending=20"metal=20
>weapon"=20events=20and=20all=20I=20get=20is=20replies=20about=20how=20the=
y=20will=20never=20attend=20one=20
>of=20those=20events,=20as=20they=20feel=20people=20will=20make=20fun=20of=
=20them.=20I=20have=20also=20
>asked=20people=20from=20local=20"metal=20Weapons"=20groups=20and=20they=20=
say=20they=20don't=20want=20
>the=20SCA=20at=20their=20events=20and=20they=20will=20only=20attend=20SCA=
=20events=20as=20a=20joke.=20=20
>When=20I=20ask=20these=20people=20why,=20they=20give=20me=20all=20these=20=
stories,=20but=20it=20all=20
>seems=20to=20date=20back=20to=20one=20event=2015=20years=20ago=20at=20a=20=
place=20called=20Morisset.
>It's=20this=20mind=20set=20that=20makes=20me=20fill=20like=20I=20don't=20=
fit=20in=20with=20any=20group=20
>here.
>I=20don't=20know=20if=20this=20is=20the=20case=20everywhere=20in=20Austra=
lia=20(hell=20it's=20a=20big=20
>country)=20but=20around=20the=20Sydney=20area=20it=20is=20and=20from=20wh=
at=20I=20can=20tell=20from=20the=20
>email=20lists=20many=20other=20areas=20as=20well,=20plus=20web=20sites=20=
like=20this=20one=20do=20not=20
>help=20http://www.routiers.org/sca.htm
>We=20must=20make=20sure=20this=20type=20of=20thing=20does=20not=20happen=20=
in=20the=20US.
>_________________________________________________________________
>Tired=20of=20spam?=20Get=20advanced=20junk=20mail=20protection=20with=20M=
SN=208.=20
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=20POINTSIZE=3D"12"=20DEFAULT=3D"SIZE">Hi=20Robert=20<BR>
=20Well=20I=20can=20assure=20you=20that=20is=20not=20the=20case=20in=20Mel=
bourne,=20we=20invite=20the=20local=20SCA=20to=20our=20events=20and=20get=20=
invited=20to=20theirs,=20most=20lists=20have=20a=20number=20of=20both=20lu=
rkers=20and=20active=20people=20from=20both=20camps,=20be=20they=20SCA=20l=
ist=20or=20Re-enct=20list=20so=20there=20is=20interaction.=20While=20there=
=20are=20SCA=20snobs,=20inverted=20snobs=20and=20Steel=20snobs=20they=20se=
em=20to=20be=20able=20to=20control=20themselves=20and=20often=20interact=20=
quite=20well.=20In=20fact=20one=20of=20our=20biggest=20SCA=20critics=20fin=
ally=20met=20a=20few,=20went=20to=20one=20of=20their=20events=20and=20came=
=20back=20saying=20Quote=20"=20They're=20not=20so=20bad,=20really=20not=20=
so=20bad,=20I=20think=20they=20must=20have=20got=20rid=20of=20the=20idiots=
=20now,=20they're=20really=20not=20so=20bad."=20While=20that=20keeps=20hap=
pening=20there's=20always=20hope.<BR>
=20We=20have=20had=20a=20few=20inter=20club=20archery=20days=20with=20the=20=
SCA=20and=20metal=20weapons=20clubs=20down=20here=20as=20well,=20<BR>
of=20course=20the=20combat=20thingie=20will=20probably=20never=20happen=20=
between=20the=20two=20clubs=20but=20that's=20more=20a=20safety=20issue,=20=
a=20couple=20of=20our=20people=20have=20armoured=20up=20for=20training=20w=
ith=20the=20SCA=20and=20a=20couple=20of=20theirs=20even=20swallowed=20thei=
r=20pride/fear=20and=20tried=20a=20few=20hits=20from=20the=20dreaded=20"li=
ve=20steel=20"=20=20<BR>
=20There=20is=20no=20big=20competition=20between=20the=20two=20groups=20he=
re=20simply=20because=20we=20do=20"allied=20but=20different"=20things.<BR>=
=20So=20at=20least=20here=20the=20barriers=20are=20slowly=20but=20surely=20=
coming=20down.=20People=20are=20starting=20to=20realise=20that=20there=20a=
re=20good=20people=20on=20both=20sides=20of=20the=20divide.=20But=20these=20=
days=20information=20and=20help=20seems=20to=20be=20flowing=20in=20both=20=
directions.<BR>
=20Then=20again=20you=20are=20living=20in=20Sydney=20and=20nobody=20said=20=
they=20had=20even=20reached=20the=2020th=20century=20yet=20let=20alone=20t=
he=2021st.=20Ahhh=20Sydney=20melbourne=20rivalry,=20wonderful=20thing=20th=
at,=20now=20wheres=20that=20damned=20stack=20of=20Scuds.......=20Ahh=20und=
er=20the=20maile...=20<BR>
=20But=20all=20jokes=20aside=20you=20do=20get=20fanatics=20and=20they=20no=
rmally=20get=20what=20they=20deserve=20anyway=20so=20don't=20worry=20too=20=
much=20you=20can=20always=20move=20to=20Melbourne.<BR>
Cheers<BR>
Sandy<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>people=20might=20not=20know=20this,=20but=20for=20the=20last=208=20mon=
ths=20I=20have=20been=20stationed=20<BR>
>in=20Australia=20(I=20have=204=20more=20months=20to=20go).=20Things=20=
are=20very=20different=20here=20<BR>
>than=20what=20I=20am=20use=20to=20in=20the=20reenactment=20world,=20In=
=20Australia=20you=20have=203=20<BR>
>styles=201=20is=20the=20SCA=20then=20you=20have=20what=20they=20call=20=
here=20"metal=20weapon=20groups"=20=20<BR>
>which=20seem=20to=20be=20everywhere=20these=20seem=20to=20be=20broken=20=
into=20two=20camps=20one=20we=20<BR>
>will=20call,=20=20authentic=20(and=20they=20do=20look=20good,=20about=20=
as=20good=20if=20not=20better=20<BR>
>than=20anything=20you=20will=20find=20in=20europe=20or=20the=20US)=20t=
hen=20=20you=20have=20the=20"slash=20<BR>
>and=20hack=20people"=20these=20guys=20don't=20care=20about=20authentic=
ity=20just=20about=20<BR>
>fighting=20with=20real=20swords.<BR>
><BR>
>The=20thing=20is=20the=20hatred=20(and=20from=20what=20I=20have=20seen=
=20it=20is=20hatred)=20between=20<BR>
>"metal=20weapons"=20groups=20and=20the=20SCA=20and=20it=20is=20strong.=
=20I=20went=20to=20a=20display=20a=20<BR>
>few=20weeks=20ago=20at=20a=20small=20place=20north=20of=20Sydney=20and=
=20I=20drove=20in=20to=20the=20parking=20<BR>
>area,=20=20I=20saw=20a=20fist=20fight=20between=20a=20couple=20of=20pe=
ople=20from=20two=20of=20these=20<BR>
>groups.<BR>
><BR>
>I=20have=20posted=20messages=20on=20the=20SCA=20mailing=20list=20here=20=
about=20attending=20"metal=20<BR>
>weapon"=20events=20and=20all=20I=20get=20is=20replies=20about=20how=20=
they=20will=20never=20attend=20one=20<BR>
>of=20those=20events,=20as=20they=20feel=20people=20will=20make=20fun=20=
of=20them.=20I=20have=20also=20<BR>
>asked=20people=20from=20local=20"metal=20Weapons"=20groups=20and=20the=
y=20say=20they=20don't=20want=20<BR>
>the=20SCA=20at=20their=20events=20and=20they=20will=20only=20attend=20=
SCA=20events=20as=20a=20joke.=20=20<BR>
>When=20I=20ask=20these=20people=20why,=20they=20give=20me=20all=20thes=
e=20stories,=20but=20it=20all=20<BR>
>seems=20to=20date=20back=20to=20one=20event=2015=20years=20ago=20at=20=
a=20place=20called=20Morisset.<BR>
><BR>
>It's=20this=20mind=20set=20that=20makes=20me=20fill=20like=20I=20don't=
=20fit=20in=20with=20any=20group=20<BR>
>here.<BR>
><BR>
>I=20don't=20know=20if=20this=20is=20the=20case=20everywhere=20in=20Aus=
tralia=20(hell=20it's=20a=20big=20<BR>
>country)=20but=20around=20the=20Sydney=20area=20it=20is=20and=20from=20=
what=20I=20can=20tell=20from=20the=20<BR>
>email=20lists=20many=20other=20areas=20as=20well,=20plus=20web=20sites=
=20like=20this=20one=20do=20not=20<BR>
>help=20<FONT=20COLOR=3D0000ff><U>http://www.routiers.org/sca.htm<FONT=20=
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><BR>
>We=20must=20make=20sure=20this=20type=20of=20thing=20does=20not=20happ=
en=20in=20the=20US.<BR>
><BR>
>_________________________________________________________________<BR>
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