[Regia-NA] Sword and Shield

Martin Field list-regia-na@lig.net
Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:33:32 -0400


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You can also access Toronto based AEMMA's web-site for details.
www.aemma.org
Cheers
Martin.
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  From: Douglas Sunlin=20
  To: California_Viking_Age@egroups.com ; list-regia-na@lig.net=20
  Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:36 PM
  Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield


  In the current issue of Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship =
(http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm), Stephen Hand =
and Paul Wagner offer an article Talhoffer's Sword and Shield Duelling =
Shield Techniques as a Model for Reconstructing Early Medieval Sword and =
Shield Techniques that may provoke some thought. They begin by looking =
at a "Fechtbuch" or fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer in 1467 =
(as seen in Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of =
Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat). One of the most curious sets of =
illustrations shows two duelists using large, door-sized shields. Hand =
and Wagner suggest that the techniques for these shields cannot have =
arisen out of nowhere, and that by studying them, one can derive the =
otherwise-undocumented sword and shield techniques of the early Middle =
Ages.=20

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  They supplement their observations by looking at other fencing =
treatises (Marozzo, Agrippa, Di Grassi, Capo Ferro and McBane) as well =
as pre-15th century pictorial evidence, as far back as 300 BC. The =
conclusion is pretty clear: outside of the shieldwall, and armed with a =
sword and shield, the general practice was not that of keeping the =
shield vertical and perpendicular to the line of combat (which I will =
define as a straight line between two combatants). Instead the shield =
was rotated to be roughly parallel (within 20 degrees?) to the line of =
combat, roughly vertical, and with the boss pointed to the left (for a =
right-handed fighter) to protect the outside line. The authors call this =
the "Outside Ward" and it allows a better bead on the target and a more =
open path for your sword. The shieldwall position (as described above) =
is termed "Medium Ward". A third ward is called "Inside Ward" and it =
consists of rotating the shield from the Outside Ward so the boss is =
pointing to the right.

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  I think this is worthy of being experimented with; there are many =
hide-bound ideas about how men fought back in the days, and there are =
certainly safety concerns, but I think we should at least try to =
represent combat with the same fidelity as we do our costumes.



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Martin.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Regia-NA] Sword and=20
Shield</DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D2>In =
the current=20
  issue of <I>Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship </I>(<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm">http://w=
ww.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm</A>),=20
  Stephen Hand and Paul Wagner offer an article <I>Talhoffer=92s Sword =
and Shield=20
  Duelling Shield Techniques as a Model for Reconstructing Early =
Medieval Sword=20
  and Shield Techniques</I> that may provoke some thought. They begin by =
looking=20
  at a =93Fechtbuch=94 or fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer in =
1467 (as seen=20
  in <I>Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of =
Swordfighting=20
  and Close-Quarter Combat</I>). One of the most curious sets of =
illustrations=20
  shows two duelists using large, door-sized shields. Hand and Wagner =
suggest=20
  that the techniques for these shields cannot have arisen out of =
nowhere, and=20
  that by studying them, one can derive the otherwise-undocumented sword =
and=20
  shield techniques of the early Middle Ages. </FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D2>They =
supplement=20
  their observations by looking at other fencing treatises (Marozzo, =
Agrippa, Di=20
  Grassi, Capo Ferro and McBane) as well as pre-15<SUP>th</SUP> century=20
  pictorial evidence, as far back as 300 BC. The conclusion is pretty =
clear:=20
  outside of the shieldwall, and armed with a sword and shield, the =
general=20
  practice was not that of keeping the shield vertical and perpendicular =
to the=20
  line of combat (which I will define as a straight line between two=20
  combatants). Instead the shield was rotated to be roughly parallel =
(within 20=20
  degrees?) to the line of combat, roughly vertical, and with the boss =
pointed=20
  to the left (for a right-handed fighter) to protect the outside line. =
The=20
  authors call this the =93Outside Ward=94 and it allows a better bead =
on the target=20
  and a more open path for your sword. The shieldwall position (as =
described=20
  above) is termed =93Medium Ward=94. A third ward is called =93Inside =
Ward=94 and it=20
  consists of rotating the shield from the Outside Ward so the boss is =
pointing=20
  to the right.</FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D2>I =
think this is=20
  worthy of being experimented with; there are many hide-bound ideas =
about how=20
  men fought back in the days, and there are certainly safety concerns, =
but I=20
  think we should at least try to represent combat with the same =
fidelity as we=20
  do our costumes.</FONT></P></DIV></DIV><BR clear=3Dall>
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