[Regia-NA] Re: list-regia-na digest, Vol 1 #483 - 8 msgs
Lori Rael Northon
list-regia-na@lig.net
Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:22:07 -0700
Not to complain or anything, but is it possible for people to snip the
contents of the emails they are replying to down to just the pertinent
little bits? And also, can people please send their emails in plain text
rather than using html? I receive the digest version as do others I'm sure,
and it is mostly coming through as a bunch of garbage pasted onto another
bunch of garbage. Repeat that several times and you get to wade through
lots of garbage just to get to the good stuff. 8^) Not that I'm
complaining or anything . . . much . . . well . . . I guess I am
complaining. It makes it pretty hard to sort out the relevant information.
Take a look below at what came through in the last digest so you understand
what I'm talking about.
Lori
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> 1. Re: sprang (J Hill)
> 2. Re: sprang (Hrolf Douglasson)
> 3. shoes (J Hill)
> 4. Re: sprang (J Hill)
> 5. Re: sprang (Hazel Uzzell)
> 6. Re: sprang (Spnknffork@aol.com)
> 7. RE: shoes (Yolli)
> 8. Re: shoes (J Hill)
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> Message: 1
> From: "J Hill" <welshladygwen@citlink.net>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:40:07 -0700
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> Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I =
> should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. =
> :>)
> AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving...
> Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would you =
> mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private email =
> address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net . Thanks =
> bunches. Jennifer
>
> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to =
> have some=20
> Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order to =
> be able=20
> to teach it to them. :>)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AFTER, I find a human way to warp those =
> miserable=20
> cards for weaving...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent =
> me am email=20
> on that? Would you mind if I ask you lots of questions? =
> Please send=20
> me yr private email address, if that is ok. Mine is: <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">welshladygwen@citlink.net</A> =
> .. =20
> Thanks bunches. Jennifer</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Jennifer Hill<BR>=C6lfgifu<BR>Wes =
> =F0u=20
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> Message: 2
> From: "Hrolf Douglasson" <Hrolf@btinternet.com>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:38:05 +0100
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> It was me
> hrolf@btinternet.com
> please feel free to email at any time.
> vara
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: J Hill=20
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
>
>
> Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I =
> should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. =
> :>)
> AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving...
> Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would =
> you mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private =
> email address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net .. =
> Thanks bunches. Jennifer
>
> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was me</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hrolf@btinternet.com">hrolf@btinternet.com</A></FONT></DIV=
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>please feel free to email at any =
> time.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>vara</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dwelshladygwen@citlink.net =
> href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">J=20
> Hill</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dlist-regia-na@lig.net=20
> href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">list-regia-na@lig.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003 =
> 5:40=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Regia-NA] =
> sprang</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to =
> have some=20
> Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order =
> to be=20
> able to teach it to them. :>)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AFTER, I find a human way to warp =
> those miserable=20
> cards for weaving...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who =
> sent me am=20
> email on that? Would you mind if I ask you lots of =
> questions? =20
> Please send me yr private email address, if that is ok. Mine =
> is: =20
> <A =
> href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">welshladygwen@citlink.net</A>=20
> .. Thanks bunches. Jennifer</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Jennifer Hill<BR>=C6lfgifu<BR>Wes =
> =F0u=20
> hal.<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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> Message: 3
> From: "J Hill" <welshladygwen@citlink.net>
> To: "Regia" <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:37 -0700
> Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes
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> I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? =
> What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a =
> heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to =
> turn the shoes right side out?
> Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions
>
> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a question about =
> turnshoes. Have you=20
> mended the soles on yrs? What about clump soles? Are they a =
> later=20
> idea? Have you used a heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? =
> Does that=20
> make it impossible to turn the shoes right side out?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jennifer, asking all too many silly=20
> questions</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Jennifer Hill<BR>=C6lfgifu<BR>Wes =
> =F0u=20
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> Message: 4
> From: "J Hill" <welshladygwen@citlink.net>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:41 -0700
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>
> Þora: What sprang item would be touching the brooch? A hairnet hanging
> low? Or???? Ælfgifu
>
>
> Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's
> oval brooch.
>
>
> Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth
>
>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Hazel Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:28 +0100
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>
> Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's
oval
> brooch.
> >
>
> That seems odd. Have you any information about where precisely...on top
of,
> under, beside? It just seems a strange place to have anything made from
> sprang. Maybe a head veil as opposed to hair net?. I only know of muslin
> weave for possible veils.
> Cheers,
> Hazel
>
>
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> Message: 6
> From: Spnknffork@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:33:35 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
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> In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
> kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes:
>
>
> > I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or
is
> > that a different thread? ;o))
> >
> >
>
> Yes that's right. ;-)
>
> jen
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> Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM
Central=20=
> Daylight Time, kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes:<BR>
> <BR>
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> following winter in the Deep South - or is<BR>
> that a different thread? ;o))<BR>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Yolli" <yolli@lineone.net>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] shoes
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:02:47 +0100
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> Dear Jennifer,
> =20
> Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. =
> I
> try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who
> will do the job I=92ll get them to do it instead.
> =20
> If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and
> replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if
> they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area
> around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of
> fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new
> piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then
> sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch
> again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be
> ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole
> leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight,
> etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let
> you down sooner than supple thick leather.
> =20
> That=92s why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original
> upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so
> it=92s always tricky.=20
> =20
> The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I
> recall =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles =
> that
> crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and
> replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where
> holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions.
> =20
> You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate
> one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be both thick
> and supple =96 that=92s how they were able to make their shoes the way =
> they
> did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use water when
> really pressed.
> =20
> Cheers, Roll.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]
> On Behalf Of J Hill
> Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18
> To: Regia
> Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes
> =20
> I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs?
> What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a
> heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to
> turn the shoes right side out?
> Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions
>
> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yep I have replaced soles on shoes =
> for the
> last 20 years – I hate it. I try to avoid it wherever I can. In =
> fact if
> there is someone else who will do the job I’ll get them to do it =
> instead.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the leather is too squashed, =
> then just
> dispose of the old sole and replace it <span class=3DGramE>( if</span> =
> your shoes
> are of an upper and lower construction – if they are one piece =
> then your
> life will be far more tricky ). The area around the hole will be pretty =
> thin
> and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my advice is to get =
> shot of
> a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe re-turned <span =
> class=3DGramE>(
> better</span> done wet in some cases ) then sew in the new section with =
> a whip
> tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel stitched. This may create =
> a ridge
> which will need to be ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may =
> discover
> that the sole leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were =
> too
> tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather =
> will let
> you down sooner than supple thick leather.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s why I generally =
> replace soles
> wholesale. Even then the original upper will have stretched out of shape =
> from
> your original pattern – so it’s always tricky. =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The latchet shoe from <span =
> class=3DSpellE>Jorvik</span>
> demonstrates a clump in the heel as I recall – but that’s =
> the only
> instance I can recall. The holed soles that crop up would imply that =
> their
> habit was to cut the old sole free and replace it. There are a series =
> from </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:navy'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font size=3D2
> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:navy'> <span class=3DGramE>( slightly</span> later ) where<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>holes etc abound, and areas were =
> slashed to
> ease pressure on bunions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You asked about heavier sole =
> leather. That
> is an option and an accurate one too. But again I must point out that =
> the
> leather must be both thick and supple – that’s how they were =
> able
> to make their shoes the way they did. You should be able to turn the =
> shoe dry
> and only use water when really pressed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers, =
> Roll.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
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>
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>
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>
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> face=3DTahoma><span
> lang=3DEN-US =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>---=
> --Original
> Message-----<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
> list-regia-na-admin@lig.net
> [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] <b><span =
> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
> Behalf Of </span></b>J Hill<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 June 2003 =
> 19:18<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Regia<br>
> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Regia-NA] =
> shoes</span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
> face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a question about
> turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? What about =
> clump
> soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a heavier, =
> stiffer hide
> for the soles? Does that make it impossible to turn the shoes =
> right side
> out?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jennifer, asking all too =
> many silly
> questions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
> </div>
>
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>
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> face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
> Jennifer Hill<br>
> =C6lfgifu<br>
> Wes =F0u hal.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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> Message: 8
> From: "J Hill" <welshladygwen@citlink.net>
> To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] shoes
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:36:29 -0700
> Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
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> Thanks! It is clear & makes sense, too. Rather like knitting socks... =
> you generally don't want to bother w/ darning the soles, just cut it off =
> & re-knit. Yrs, Jennifer
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Yolli=20
> To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] shoes
>
>
> Dear Jennifer,
>
> =20
>
> Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years - I hate it. =
> I try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who =
> will do the job I'll get them to do it instead.
>
> =20
>
> If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and =
> replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction - if =
> they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area =
> around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of =
> fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new =
> piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then =
> sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch =
> again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be =
> ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole =
> leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight, =
> etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let =
> you down sooner than supple thick leather.
>
> =20
>
> That's why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original =
> upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern - so =
> it's always tricky.=20
>
> =20
>
> The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I =
> recall - but that's the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that =
> crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and =
> replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where =
> holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions.
>
> =20
>
> You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an =
> accurate one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be =
> both thick and supple - that's how they were able to make their shoes =
> the way they did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use =
> water when really pressed.
>
> =20
>
> Cheers, Roll.
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] =
> On Behalf Of J Hill
> Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18
> To: Regia
> Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes
>
> =20
>
> I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? =
> What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a =
> heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to =
> turn the shoes right side out?
>
> Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions
>
>
> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks! It is clear & makes =
> sense,=20
> too. Rather like knitting socks... you generally don't want to =
> bother w/=20
> darning the soles, just cut it off & re-knit. Yrs,=20
> Jennifer</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dyolli@lineone.net =
> href=3D"mailto:yolli@lineone.net">Yolli</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dlist-regia-na@lig.net=20
> href=3D"mailto:list-regia-na@lig.net">list-regia-na@lig.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003 =
> 4:02=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Regia-NA] =
> shoes</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV class=3DSection1>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear=20
> Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yep I have =
> replaced=20
> soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. I try to avoid it =
> wherever I=20
> can. In fact if there is someone else who will do the job I=92ll get =
> them to do=20
> it instead.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the =
> leather is too=20
> squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and replace it <SPAN =
> class=3DGramE>(=20
> if</SPAN> your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if =
> they are one=20
> piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area around the =
> hole will=20
> be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my =
> advice is=20
> to get shot of a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe =
> re-turned=20
> <SPAN class=3DGramE>( better</SPAN> done wet in some cases ) then sew =
> in the new=20
> section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel =
> stitched.=20
> This may create a ridge which will need to be ironed out with a =
> mallet. At=20
> this point you may discover that the sole leather was worse than you =
> suspected=20
> or the stitches were too tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything =
> regarding=20
> shoes. Crumby leather will let you down sooner than supple thick=20
> leather.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That=92s =
> why I=20
> generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original upper will =
> have=20
> stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so it=92s always =
> tricky.=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The latchet =
> shoe from=20
> <SPAN class=3DSpellE>Jorvik</SPAN> demonstrates a clump in the heel as =
> I recall=20
> =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that =
> crop up=20
> would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and replace =
> it.=20
> There are a series from </SPAN></FONT><st1:City><st1:place><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
> color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial">London</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT=20
> face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <SPAN =
> class=3DGramE>(=20
> slightly</SPAN> later ) where<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
> </SPAN>holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on=20
> bunions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You asked =
> about=20
> heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate one too. But =
> again I=20
> must point out that the leather must be both thick and supple =96 =
> that=92s how=20
> they were able to make their shoes the way they did. You should be =
> able to=20
> turn the shoe dry and only use water when really=20
> pressed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers,=20
> Roll.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> lang=3DEN-US=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: =
> EN-US">-----Original=20
> Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
> list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] =
> <B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>J Hill<BR><B><SPAN =
>
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 18 June 2003 =
> 19:18<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Regia<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Regia-NA]=20
> shoes</SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
> New Roman"=20
> size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a question about=20
> turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? What about =
> clump=20
> soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a heavier, =
> stiffer=20
> hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to turn the =
> shoes right=20
> side out?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jennifer, asking all too =
> many=20
> silly questions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Jennifer=20
> Hill<BR>=C6lfgifu<BR>Wes =F0u=20
> hal.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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