[Regia-NA] embroidery

[J Hill]

Steve, scans would be lovely.  Yes, please!  Jennifer, not Jill [who doesn't
exist <G>]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Etheridge" <seibhyrt@hotmail.com>
To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery


> >From: "J Hill" <welshladygwen@citlink.net>
> >
> >Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C.  Pictures would be
> >lovely. <G>  Yrs, Ælfgifu
> >
> >Jennifer Hill
> >Ælfgifu
> >Wes ðu hal.
>
> >From: "Hazel  Uzzell" <gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk>
> >Hi Jill,
> >No physical evidence! If you look at the Bayeaux Tapestry the designs
seem
> >to be set into arcades and circles.(on the robes of Will and other such
> >dignitaries) This could, of course, not be embroidery at all, but a
> >representation of Byzantine silk appliqued onto the cloth.
> >Strangely enough, the Oseberg embroideries are set in circles, with
animal
> >figures in them, to me very reminiscent of the Trewhiddle style. They are
> >said to be influenced by A.S art styles.
> >
>
>
> To add to what hazel wrote....
>
> There is again more evidence of embroidery/decoration on tunics in AS MSS
> (such as the "Goliath" picture, who also seems to use a cord/tie to close
> his tunic), as well as various pictures of kings, etc.
>
> These may be representations of byzantine woven silks.  However, the Llan
> gors find seems to be a copy of a byzantine fabric done in an insular hand
> (yes, hazel, it is single stitch embroiderd much like the later "English
> work" style apparently) - all lions caught up in vine scrolls.  So it
would
> seem that byzantine patterns were in enough demand for there to be a
> thriving "counterfeit" market.  Note that the method used in Llan gors is
> very different to that used in the BT and the Cuthbert stole (so I am
> informed - I only look at the pretty pictures!).  This would seem to
> indicate two different schools of embroidery going on - although from the
> low level of finds from this period this may be an oversimplification.
>
> Llan gors was burnt down in 902 IIRC, so the embroidery is probably _just_
> c9th. (Wether it is "english" or "welsh" is a matter of debate....)  The
> Cuthbert stole is _just_ c10th (about 912 if memory serves - someone out
> there will have the book on it!).  Do you want scans of these?  I might
have
> my "doing things" head on this weekend.....
>
> Steve
>
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