From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 00:08:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:08:47 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England In-Reply-To: <000501c327bf$e9b38900$17e38351@m1w9d8> References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030531190751.01b3a7d0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >We are awaiting detail on the publication of Gail Owen Crockers book and >Hazel Uzzel's book on Viking costume and textiles... Hazel's writing a book too? Tell, tell! Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 00:16:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] books References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030531190751.01b3a7d0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c327ca$af5a3eb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> For those OP books we're all lusting after... what is yr fav search engine/bookstore? Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 00:19:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:19:20 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working Message-ID: <20030531231920.SALP28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 lbs. Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So it comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea chests. Bill > > From: "J Hill" > Date: Sat 31/May/2003 02:21 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill: Why, oh why, leave yr furniture behind??? I do agree, however, that, > if it comes to furniture or books, the books take precedence! > The worst decision I had to make was to decide on books or loom.... I did > manage to have floor to roof boxes in 2 rows in the u-haul, but that was > quite a horrid thing. > :>) Jennifer > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 02:03:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:03:33 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] New CD In-Reply-To: <000701c32789$f844ff20$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <200306010055.h510t6SI031787@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4498376=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20All=20 Just=20had=20word=20from=20Prof.=20Carlsson=20that=20the=20next=20CD=20in=20= his=20series=20is=20almost=20ready.=20 It's=20the=20one=20on=20knives=20and=20sheaths,=20it=20will=20be=20followe= d=20soon=20by=20spears,=20axes=20and=20swords. I=20just=20pre=20ordered=20my=20copy.=20http://www.arkeodok.com/=20=20for=20= those=20who=20want=20to=20do=20the=20same. Cheers Sandy Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4498376=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20All=20
Just=20had=20word=20from=20Prof.=20Carlsson=20that=20the=20next=20CD=20in=20= his=20series=20is=20almost=20ready.=20
It's=20the=20one=20on=20knives=20and=20sheaths,=20it=20will=20be=20followe= d=20soon=20by=20spears,=20axes=20and=20swords.
I=20just=20pre=20ordered=20my=20copy.=20http://www.arkeodok.com/=20=20for=20= those=20who=20want=20to=20do=20the=20same.
Cheers
Sandy

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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4498376=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 02:06:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:06:06 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: bone working References: <28190BC3.623D1128.D3176DFB@netscape.net> <000701c32674$7ee3dc70$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <001701c326d7$1f82dd40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <3ED9517E.6090501@bellsouth.net> If you figure out a way to use moose palm and separate one side from the other let me know. The middle third of the material is usually spongey calcareous bone tissue. I would like to use some for a slots and holes tape loom but so far I have not figured out a good way to separate one side from the other successfully. The spongey layer is sure to catch the thread fibers. What I would like to come by is a plate roughly 5 x 5 inches when I'm done. I have a good chunk of moose palm amongst my dead animal bits. Most of it's curved in two dimensions like a boat. I can see cutting it into comb-sized blanks and maybe taking out the middle by splitting or an untensioned hack saw blade in the smaller sizes. Anyone know of a soaking technique that would usefully soften the middle tissue? So it could be cut somehow? I know about the soak for two days and boil for 15 minutes but has anyone tried it? It's usually used prior to knife carving. Magnus J Hill wrote: > I've contacted a relatively local [maybe an hour or two away] antler artist > & he will sell us his scrap moose antler for the cost of shipping & > handling. :>) Combs! > & my hubby has some antler which will be turned into knife handles. > It's coming along. Beautiful? Decorative? Perhaps not. But, I hope, > useful! Jennifer > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 03:25:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:25:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Moths in your fur balls. References: <20030530225552.PTDK28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> <004001c326ff$dfd52670$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <001101c3273a$dd20b300$d4ef4d51@mshome.net> <000b01c32743$029bc180$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <3ED963FF.2090606@bellsouth.net> J Hill wrote: > Meanwhile, I'm totally exhausted tonite... continuing the battle against the > clothes moths ... tho't they'd been eradicated, but saw one flying about > tonite. Not a good sign. esp as I've brought most of my fleeces back into > the house. Something I wouldn't have believed in necessarily but came on them in a search for a new way to get rid of squirrels in my fruit trees - Something I wouldn't have believed in necessarily but came on them in a search for a new way to get rid of squirrels in my fruit trees - Northern Tool and Equipment Co. http://www.northerntool.com/ has various varieties of bug and mosquitoes, rodent, and deer sonic repellers. Some of them are only 4" long by less than an inch wide and clip on/in your clothing. They cost all of $2 and take ordinary AA batteries. The portable set-down models take 3 AAA's and work for days, those are about $15. This would be ideal for camping. The mosquitos I've had come near me go all erratic. My wife, who develops huge welts from them when she gardens, is currently untouched since she started carrying the little clip on model. The biggest one is put out by Sunbeam and cost me $60. Last year the squirrels robbed me of about 800 pieces of fruit. I'm putting the thing between the two trees. ;) It may well run them out of the neighborhood. My yard building with it's nice big overhang is directly ajacent. My neighbors are Vietnamese and I've never seen an asian house without cockroaches due to the cooking styles. They got one and swear by them. Theirs is a plug in model.Northern Supply has various varieties of bug and mosquitoes, rodent, and deer sonic repellers. Some of them are only 4" long by less than an inch wide and clip on/in your clothing. They cost all of $2 and take ordinary AA batteries. The portable set-down models take 3 AAA's and work for days, those are about $15. This would be ideal for camping. The mosquitos I've had come near me go all erratic. My wife, who develops huge welts from them when she gardens, is currently untouched since she started carrying the little clip on model. The biggest one is put out by Sunbeam and cost me $60. Last year the squirrels robbed me of about 800 pieces of fruit. I'm putting the thing between the two trees. ;) It may well run them out of the neighborhood. My yard building with it's nice big overhang is directly ajacent. My neighbors are Vietnamese and I've never seen an asian house without cockroaches due to the cooking styles. They got one and swear by them. Theirs is a plug in model. So far we have three types. I'm thinking of getting another smaller plug in model. We have some yard rats who live off the bird feeder droppings. The things work. My wife, who has very sensitive hearing in the high scale, can hear them if they aren't turned on low. She uses earplugs at all the movies we go to. My experience with most larvae is they are highly resistant to microwaves. Every now and then I get ahold of something with them in it - like an old tool handle. Seven minutes on high doesn't kill some of them - at least not quickly. Any longer and I'd have charcoal and not just a smoky microwave. Incidentally, someone found a way to bend bows by making a hole in the door and rear wall of your ordinary microwave. It was in an archery publication I get several years ago. You don't stand right next to it while it's in operation. He used a remote switch. It's an alternative to steam bending. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 03:52:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:52:08 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: bone working In-Reply-To: <3ED9517E.6090501@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200306010243.h512hfSI015220@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0118984=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20magnus =20Yes=20have=20soaked=20it=20then=20clamped=20it=20into=20a=20carpenters=20= vice=20for=20a=20day,=20comes=20out=20nice=20and=20flat=20and=20can=20be=20= sawn=20down=20the=20middle=20to=20seperate=20the=20two=20plates. =20I=20have=20also=20used=20a=20heat=20gun=20when=20in=20a=20hurry=20to=20= soften=20it=20then=20clamped=20between=20two=20boards=20in=20the=20carpent= ers=20 vice.=20I=20have=20a=20nice=20big=2010=20inch=20one=20which=20helps.=20It=20= usually=20stays=20straight=20if=20removed=20after=20an=20hour=20or=20two.=20= Just=20 don't=20be=20too=20impatient. Cheers Sandy >If=20you=20figure=20out=20a=20way=20to=20use=20moose=20palm=20and=20separ= ate=20one >side=20from=20the=20other=20let=20me=20know.=20The=20middle=20third=20of=20= the >material=20is=20usually=20spongey=20calcareous=20bone=20tissue. >I=20would=20like=20to=20use=20some=20for=20a=20slots=20and=20holes=20tape= =20loom >but=20so=20far=20I=20have=20not=20figured=20out=20a=20good=20way=20to=20s= eparate >one=20side=20from=20the=20other=20successfully.=20The=20spongey=20layer=20= is >sure=20to=20catch=20the=20thread=20fibers.=20What=20I=20would=20like=20to= =20come >by=20is=20a=20plate=20roughly=205=20x=205=20inches=20when=20I'm=20done.=20= I=20have >a=20good=20chunk=20of=20moose=20palm=20amongst=20my=20dead=20animal=20bit= s. >Most=20of=20it's=20curved=20in=20two=20dimensions=20like=20a=20boat. >I=20can=20see=20cutting=20it=20into=20comb-sized=20blanks=20and=20maybe=20= taking >out=20the=20middle=20by=20splitting=20or=20an=20untensioned=20hack=20saw >blade=20in=20the=20smaller=20sizes. >Anyone=20know=20of=20a=20soaking=20technique=20that=20would=20usefully >soften=20the=20middle=20tissue?=20So=20it=20could=20be=20cut=20somehow? >I=20know=20about=20the=20soak=20for=20two=20days=20and=20boil=20for=2015=20= minutes >but=20has=20anyone=20tried=20it?=20It's=20usually=20used=20prior=20to=20k= nife=20carving. >Magnus >J=20Hill=20wrote: >>=20I've=20contacted=20a=20relatively=20local=20[maybe=20an=20hour=20or=20= two=20away]=20antler=20artist >>=20&=20he=20will=20sell=20us=20his=20scrap=20moose=20antler=20for=20the=20= cost=20of=20shipping=20& >>=20handling.=20=20:>)=20=20Combs! >>=20&=20my=20hubby=20has=20some=20antler=20which=20will=20be=20turned=20i= nto=20knife=20handles.=20=20 >>=20It's=20coming=20along.=20=20Beautiful?=20=20Decorative?=20=20Perhaps=20= not.=20=20But,=20I=20hope, >>=20useful!=20=20Jennifer >>=20Jennifer=20Hill >>=20=92lfgifu >>=20Wes=20=F0u=20hal. >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na=20mailing=20list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0118984=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20magnus

=20Yes=20have=20soaked=20it=20then=20clamped=20it=20into=20a=20carpenters=20= vice=20for=20a=20day,=20comes=20out=20nice=20and=20flat=20and=20can=20be=20= sawn=20down=20the=20middle=20to=20seperate=20the=20two=20plates.
=20I=20have=20also=20used=20a=20heat=20gun=20when=20in=20a=20hurry=20to=20= soften=20it=20then=20clamped=20between=20two=20boards=20in=20the=20carpent= ers=20vice.=20I=20have=20a=20nice=20big=2010=20inch=20one=20which=20helps.= =20It=20usually=20stays=20straight=20if=20removed=20after=20an=20hour=20or= =20two.=20Just=20don't=20be=20too=20impatient.

Cheers
Sandy

>If=20you=20figure=20out=20a=20way=20to=20use=20moose=20palm=20and=20se= parate=20one
>side=20from=20the=20other=20let=20me=20know.=20The=20middle=20third=20= of=20the
>material=20is=20usually=20spongey=20calcareous=20bone=20tissue.
>
>I=20would=20like=20to=20use=20some=20for=20a=20slots=20and=20holes=20t= ape=20loom
>but=20so=20far=20I=20have=20not=20figured=20out=20a=20good=20way=20to=20= separate
>one=20side=20from=20the=20other=20successfully.=20The=20spongey=20laye= r=20is
>sure=20to=20catch=20the=20thread=20fibers.=20What=20I=20would=20like=20= to=20come
>by=20is=20a=20plate=20roughly=205=20x=205=20inches=20when=20I'm=20done= .=20I=20have
>a=20good=20chunk=20of=20moose=20palm=20amongst=20my=20dead=20animal=20= bits.
>Most=20of=20it's=20curved=20in=20two=20dimensions=20like=20a=20boat. >
>I=20can=20see=20cutting=20it=20into=20comb-sized=20blanks=20and=20mayb= e=20taking
>out=20the=20middle=20by=20splitting=20or=20an=20untensioned=20hack=20s= aw
>blade=20in=20the=20smaller=20sizes.
>
>Anyone=20know=20of=20a=20soaking=20technique=20that=20would=20usefully=
>soften=20the=20middle=20tissue?=20So=20it=20could=20be=20cut=20somehow= ?
>
>I=20know=20about=20the=20soak=20for=20two=20days=20and=20boil=20for=20= 15=20minutes
>but=20has=20anyone=20tried=20it?=20It's=20usually=20used=20prior=20to=20= knife=20carving.
>
>Magnus
>
>J=20Hill=20wrote:
>>=20I've=20contacted=20a=20relatively=20local=20[maybe=20an=20hour=20= or=20two=20away]=20antler=20artist
>>=20&=20he=20will=20sell=20us=20his=20scrap=20moose=20antler=20for=20= the=20cost=20of=20shipping=20&
>>=20handling.=20=20:>)=20=20Combs!
>>=20&=20my=20hubby=20has=20some=20antler=20which=20will=20be=20turn= ed=20into=20knife=20handles.=20=20<G>
>>=20It's=20coming=20along.=20=20Beautiful?=20=20Decorative?=20=20Pe= rhaps=20not.=20=20But,=20I=20hope,
>>=20useful!=20=20Jennifer
>>=20Jennifer=20Hill
>>=20=92lfgifu
>>=20Wes=20=F0u=20hal.
>
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>
>
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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0118984=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 04:39:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:39:23 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Woolen Tunics & Books in North America Message-ID: <159.1fecd53f.2c0acf6b@aol.com> --part1_159.1fecd53f.2c0acf6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to some articles in Archaeology and in a few other publications like Costume in Arthurian Britain. Some of the woolens found in Nydam, Birka, and York were very much like tropical weight twills and herringbone, while others were similar to a medium houndstooth weave. Since most post-Roman northern Europeans depended almost exclusively on wool, linen, jute, and hemp fabrics, there is an incredible range of weights and weaves. Of course, those peoples living would layer their clothing if they could and one of the Birka dig sights had the remains of a woman wearing a linen underdress, woolen stockings, a wool under tunic, a pair of wrap around aprons pinned on the front with broaches, and a woolen overcoat. Due to the presence of silver and bronze jewelry it is presumed that she was at least of the merchant or perhaps wealthy farming class. Being a ACW reenactor, it pays to wear linen underdrawers and undershirts beneath wool to remain cool. I have been at events in May in Georgia where I was reasonably comfortable although I was sweating like a pig. I don't know about Britain, but I frequently get books that are out of print through inter-library loan. Perhaps there is a similar system on the Eastern side of the Atlantic with public libraries. Pagan aka Patrick Owen Nashville, TN --part1_159.1fecd53f.2c0acf6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to some article= s in Archaeology and in a few other publications like Costume in Arthurian B= ritain.  Some of the woolens found in Nydam, Birka, and York were very=20= much like tropical weight twills and herringbone, while others were similar=20= to a medium houndstooth weave.  Since most post-Roman northern European= s depended almost exclusively on wool, linen, jute, and hemp fabrics, there=20= is an incredible range of weights and weaves.  Of course, those peoples= living would layer their clothing if they could and one of the Birka dig si= ghts had the remains of a woman wearing a linen underdress, woolen stockings= , a wool under tunic, a pair of wrap around aprons pinned on the front with=20= broaches, and a woolen overcoat.  Due to the presence of silver and bro= nze jewelry it is presumed that she was at least of the merchant or perhaps=20= wealthy farming class.
Being a ACW reenactor, it pays to wear linen underdrawers and undershirt= s beneath wool to remain cool.  I have been at events in May in Georgia= where I was reasonably comfortable although I was sweating like a pig.
I don't know about Britain, but I frequently get books that are out of p= rint through inter-library loan.  Perhaps there is a similar system on=20= the Eastern side of the Atlantic with public libraries.

Pagan aka
Patrick Owen
Nashville, TN --part1_159.1fecd53f.2c0acf6b_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 05:17:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working References: <20030531231920.SALP28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Message-ID: <012a01c327f4$bf011ad0$9606b1d8@olaf> Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is one of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start sending boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could get you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. Pax, Olaf/Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 lbs. Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So it comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea chests. > > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 10:53:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Diane Culpin) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:53:04 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working In-Reply-To: <012a01c327f4$bf011ad0$9606b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: <002201c32823$9c61fe20$c945e150@DCulpin> Bill, When I moved to England from the U.S., I used the U.S. Postal service to send all my prized possessions - 75 boxes. My suitcases on the airplane for all the things I couldn't replace if they got lost. You may find it cheaper to send your books, etc. that way. It may end up cheaper than the extra they plan to bill you for. Save the weight for the items you'd rather not part with. It's amazing how much detritus we accumulate in the course of a lifetime (or a couple years for that matter! Kind Regards, Diane -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of Sudden Service #5 Sent: 01 June 2003 05:18 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is one of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start sending boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could get you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. Pax, Olaf/Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 lbs. Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So it comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea chests. > > Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 13:46:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:46:11 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030531190751.01b3a7d0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <003f01c3283b$c8398460$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > > Hazel's writing a book too? Tell, tell! > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html The working title is 'Viking Textiles & Clothing'. Don't get too excited, Tempus books are usually not too technical and it won't 'do' the subject in depth because of their 'house style' They asked for something 'public friendly' (!) Due for publication early 2005. Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 13:52:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 08:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] WW Loom References: <20030530225552.PTDK28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> <004001c326ff$dfd52670$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <001101c3273a$dd20b300$d4ef4d51@mshome.net> <000b01c32743$029bc180$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004901c327c0$90242d80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Actually, I'd be interesting in pics of a working warp-weighted loom, too...! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: BLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHM To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Hi Jennifer, > > I will try to answer your questions. > > > > A question: In the heat of the summer, do you wear a woolen tunic? > > Sometimes, it depends on the show and which of my tunics seem more > appropriate. My woolen tunic is quite thin and therefore not too hot, > although I do tend to wear a linen undertunic with it. Usually I wear a > linen tunic. Today was a fairly warm day (for us - at this time of year - > about 20C) and we were doing a small local show with Vara and Hrolf in > Birkenhead (Near Liverpool) and I chose to wear my linen tunic and made > coins for most of the time. > > Hazel wore her full Viking clothing which was a linen underdress with a > woolen hangeroc, and she did feel very warm in it. > > > Also, does a lady wear a white chemise, along w/ the undertunic, > overtunic, > > mantle, wimple, etc? OR, is the coloured linen undertunic taking the > place > > of a chemise? I will be ordering linen in another week or two. > > We tend to use natural linen for undergarments and dyed linen for > overgarments - mostly. > > > > Additionally, does anyone have a copy of the book re: Dress in Anglo-Saxon > > Britain, > > It will be a very difficult book to get hold of as it has been out of print > for a long time now. It can sometimes be found in second hand bookshops. > Gale Owen-Crocker is rewriting the book but has been held up with the > completion of it because of her job and committments. So at the moment we > do not know when it will be published. > > > A warp-weighted loom question: What sort of standard lumber sizes have > you > > used in the construction of your loom? > > I have three warp weighted looms of various sizes. The wood for each is in > different sizes. But for my main full sized loom I use 3" x 3" x 6' for the > uprights. Oak is best but mine is made from Ash. The horizontal beams are > 4'6" long and 2"x2" for the upper beam and 3"x2" for the lower beam. The > cloth beam was made from 3"x3" which was then rounded off. > > > Also, how did you make your weaving sword > > It is carved from oak and is about 3' long > > >are you using a weighted fork like one uses in tapestry? > > No > > > For indoor use, what do you use for "feet"? > > Nothing. But I put a pile woven rug on the floor to stop it slipping. I > also have some rear supports for when I do not have a wall to rest it on. I > will send you some pictures of my looms to your private e-mail address for > you to look at. > > > Are you using a tablet woven top border w/ the TW weft becoming the WW > warp? > > Yes. We use that method mostly, although we have tried other methods. > > I hope that this helps a bit. > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 23:10:53 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:10:53 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working Message-ID: <20030601221053.SJSH18722.fep06-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Trust my books to the US Postal Service! Egads, man, have you gone insane? :o) Seriously though, thanks for the tip. I have considered sending my weapons though. That way they aren't stored away for months, possibly rusting (I lost two sharp spearheads that way coming over...apparently the movers were monkeying with them...and they wrecked a crossbow, too!). Bill > > From: "Sudden Service #5" > Date: Sun 01/Jun/2003 04:17 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is one > of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start sending > boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could get > you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. > Pax, > Olaf/Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 lbs. > Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So it > comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture > stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea > chests. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 23:16:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:16:06 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working Message-ID: <20030601221606.SKAP18722.fep06-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Hey, but it's all useful detritus, isn't it? That bit is for that project, and this is for that other project... :o) I do have some serious sorting to do. I have a feeling that Grantanbrygc members will be benefitting from my cleaning out...or would that be burdened with some of the junk? Bill > > From: "Diane Culpin" > Date: Sun 01/Jun/2003 09:53 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill, > > When I moved to England from the U.S., I used the U.S. Postal service to > send all my prized possessions - 75 boxes. My suitcases on the airplane > for all the things I couldn't replace if they got lost. You may find it > cheaper to send your books, etc. that way. It may end up cheaper than > the extra they plan to bill you for. Save the weight for the items > you'd rather not part with. It's amazing how much detritus we > accumulate in the course of a lifetime (or a couple years for that > matter! > > Kind Regards, > > Diane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] > On Behalf Of Sudden Service #5 > Sent: 01 June 2003 05:18 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is > one > of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start > sending > boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could > get > you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. > Pax, > Olaf/Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 > lbs. > Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So > it > comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture > stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea > chests. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 1 23:20:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:20:17 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working References: <20030601221606.SKAP18722.fep06-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Message-ID: <000401c3288b$fc0d4880$7e437ad5@m1w9d8> have a tent sale at your next show..finance the sending home of the irriplaceable stuff:)) We found that air feight from the local airport was quite cheap. You drop off at the airport and pick it up at your local one. 17 large aluminum crate came back from saudi at really cheap rates. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > Hey, but it's all useful detritus, isn't it? That bit is for that project, and this is for that other project... :o) I do have some serious sorting to do. I have a feeling that Grantanbrygc members will be benefitting from my cleaning out...or would that be burdened with some of the junk? > > Bill > > > > From: "Diane Culpin" > > Date: Sun 01/Jun/2003 09:53 GMT > > To: > > Subject: RE: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > Bill, > > > > When I moved to England from the U.S., I used the U.S. Postal service to > > send all my prized possessions - 75 boxes. My suitcases on the airplane > > for all the things I couldn't replace if they got lost. You may find it > > cheaper to send your books, etc. that way. It may end up cheaper than > > the extra they plan to bill you for. Save the weight for the items > > you'd rather not part with. It's amazing how much detritus we > > accumulate in the course of a lifetime (or a couple years for that > > matter! > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Diane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] > > On Behalf Of Sudden Service #5 > > Sent: 01 June 2003 05:18 > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is > > one > > of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start > > sending > > boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could > > get > > you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. > > Pax, > > Olaf/Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > > > > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 > > lbs. > > Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. So > > it > > comes down to kit/books, or furniture...and I can always buy furniture > > stateside...but not necessarily solid-oak-with-hand-forged-fittings sea > > chests. > > > > > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ > > Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 2 00:00:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:00:14 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Whether the weather ......... References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Message-ID: <03bc01c32891$8fb07120$09702052@kim1> It was hot here today in south west England: it hit 80 F this afternoon, but there was a slight breath of wind, so it was really nice. About 4 it chucked it down for about five minutes which cleared the air and then it was quite delightful for the rest of the afternoon. Just coming up for 11PM now and I'm sitting in front of my open upstairs window in a balmy 70s breeze looking across to the lights of the Manor House, where there has been human habitation since the Bronze Age - and it's mentioned in Domesday. It's OK, I know how lucky I am ;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn "All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Young" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England > Hi, > > THE BOOK is being printed now? By whom? How do we order a copy? How much? I have been waiting forever. > > Jennifer, the only copy I ever found was in the Arizona State University Library and I had to get a friend who was taking classes there to check it out for me so I could read it. Wonderful book, can't wait for the rewrite to get out so I can have my own copy. > > Vara said that it was hot. HOT-not. It is 111 degrees Farenheight around here. That's hot and it will get worse. We all are about to switch our personas to rich Arabs and wear cotton. Thanks heavens for air conditioning.!!! > > Be well, > Eileen > > __________________________________________________________________ From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 2 00:02:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:02:57 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > At dublin, while the wood > preservation is good, I don't remember any wooden combs, although antler > combs survived. Nathan, can you check my memory on this please Sounds right, i don't recall any off the top of my head, but not evertything is on disply so a qucik email to the museam might be in order? I own a wood comb, and have never dared us it anywhere near my hair (far too fragile, i have knotty hair at the best of time). But it was great for my beard when it was bigger. > ATM the evidence points towards antler being the most > common material used, so lets keep that as the most common one > that we have There are 2 copper-ally one's on the frogel combs CD. But yes the antler ones are most definately the most common. Hugz N. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 2 02:05:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Whether the weather ......... References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> <03bc01c32891$8fb07120$09702052@kim1> Message-ID: <005101c328a3$09e9bf80$9a00a8c0@field2> Hi Kim And I thought you lived IN Wookey Hole !! Martin fram Wymerstow ----- Original Message ----- From: "J K Siddorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Whether the weather ......... > It was hot here today in south west England: it hit 80 F this afternoon, but > there was a slight breath of wind, so it was really nice. About 4 it chucked > it down for about five minutes which cleared the air and then it was quite > delightful for the rest of the afternoon. > > Just coming up for 11PM now and I'm sitting in front of my open upstairs > window in a balmy 70s breeze looking across to the lights of the Manor > House, where there has been human habitation since the Bronze Age - and it's > mentioned in Domesday. > > It's OK, I know how lucky I am ;o)) > > Regards, > > > Kim Siddorn > > "All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is > violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." > Arthur Schopenhauer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eileen Young" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:48 PM > Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England > > > > Hi, > > > > THE BOOK is being printed now? By whom? How do we order a copy? How > much? I have been waiting forever. > > > > Jennifer, the only copy I ever found was in the Arizona State University > Library and I had to get a friend who was taking classes there to check it > out for me so I could read it. Wonderful book, can't wait for the rewrite > to get out so I can have my own copy. > > > > Vara said that it was hot. HOT-not. It is 111 degrees Farenheight around > here. That's hot and it will get worse. We all are about to switch our > personas to rich Arabs and wear cotton. Thanks heavens for air > conditioning.!!! > > > > Be well, > > Eileen > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 2 02:53:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 2:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Whether the weather ......... Message-ID: Nope, in the Englisc manor of Biscopworth. ;o)) Regards, Kim Get your Free Copy of Mailbox Filter at http://MailboxFilter.com/?id=TAFD99mhhod78J37NNTDSM5YsxgTSNxDJkTJsd J K Siddorn From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 2 06:49:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Diane Culpin) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:49:11 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] bone working In-Reply-To: <20030601221606.SKAP18722.fep06-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Message-ID: <000701c328ca$b14dda00$7718e150@DCulpin> :) I posted 75 boxes - all 75 arrived, only 3 or 4 casualties and none of them serious. Kind Regards, Diane -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 01 June 2003 23:16 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working Hey, but it's all useful detritus, isn't it? That bit is for that project, and this is for that other project... :o) I do have some serious sorting to do. I have a feeling that Grantanbrygc members will be benefitting from my cleaning out...or would that be burdened with some of the junk? Bill > > From: "Diane Culpin" > Date: Sun 01/Jun/2003 09:53 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill, > > When I moved to England from the U.S., I used the U.S. Postal service to > send all my prized possessions - 75 boxes. My suitcases on the airplane > for all the things I couldn't replace if they got lost. You may find it > cheaper to send your books, etc. that way. It may end up cheaper than > the extra they plan to bill you for. Save the weight for the items > you'd rather not part with. It's amazing how much detritus we > accumulate in the course of a lifetime (or a couple years for that > matter! > > Kind Regards, > > Diane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] > On Behalf Of Sudden Service #5 > Sent: 01 June 2003 05:18 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > Bill, you may have checked this out all ready, but book rate US mail is > one > of the cheapest rates for shipping anything that there is. Start > sending > boxes of books to your State Side address now. 3-6 boxes of books could > get > you enough shipping to bring a chest or 2 home with you. > Pax, > Olaf/Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Regia-NA] bone working > > > > Unfortunately the USAF only allows me a shipping allowance of 11000 > lbs. > Anything over comes out of my pocket and at quite an expensive rate. 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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_1691848=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 3 16:41:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld Message-ID: <000e01c329e6$978ea230$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C329AB.EACE2230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, Thora: I just saw your gorgemous geteld! Tell me more! Did you embroider it? I want one! [OK, clothes come first, but the = geteld must come soon thereafter!] Aelfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C329AB.EACE2230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, Thora:  I just saw your = gorgemous=20 geteld!  Tell me more!
Did you embroider it?  I want = one!  [OK,=20 clothes come first, but the geteld must come soon = thereafter!]
Aelfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C329AB.EACE2230-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 3 17:03:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld In-Reply-To: <000e01c329e6$978ea230$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030603115647.024a8028@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Ælfgifu (I'm slowly getting used to that) wrote: >Ok, Thora: I just saw your gorgemous geteld! Tell me more! >Did you embroider it? Here's the quick version. No, it's painted. My husband did the engineering, we designed it together, and my apprentice and I sewed the canvas (the tent with the green ring-chain decoration is hers: she does 10th century Isle of Man). It's made of oil-painted ash, Sunforger canvas, and the canvas paint is diluted latex enamel. The painted top is based on bear-ended hogback tombstones in north Yorkshire (my husband's totem is the bear), and the color scheme is based on those found on Viking Age painted woodwork. (The ash is painted creamy pale yellow.) I've *got* to finish that web page with the photos and the layout and the manuscript references we used.... A lot of it has been drafted, but it's just not top priority for my husband, so the engineering section hasn't been written yet. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 03:28:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] That Wheelbarrow Manuscript Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030603221115.03bd8eb0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Okay, so there I was at the dining room table, helping brainstorm a new kitchen worktable for our Pennsic camp, when I came upon another reproduction of that 13th century manuscript illumination with the wheelbarrow. It's in this book. Goldstream, Nicola. _Masons and Sculptors_. Medieval Craftsmen series. University of Toronto Press [British Museum Press], 1991. ISBN 0-8020-6916-9. The relevant page number is 11, illustration 9. The manuscript number and folio number Goldstream gives are Trinity College Dublin 177, fol. 59v. That manuscript is Matthew Paris's "Lives of St. Alban and St. Amphibalus." Goldsmith lists it with a different manuscript number than the book in which I originally saw it. Perhaps that accounts for my not being able to find it in any of the compilations I checked at the time I found it. ;/ Anyway, so I rechecked and found a catalogue entry for the manuscript in this source. Morgan, Nigel. _Early Gothic Manuscripts [I] 1190-1250_. A Survey of Manuscripts Illuminated in the British Isles, vol. 4, part 1. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1982. ISBN 019-921026-8. The catalogue entry is number 85 ("Dublin, Trinity College MS 177 [E.I.40]), on pages 130-133. It says the manuscript is dated to circa 1240-1250. I feel much better now that's solved. It was really bothering me that I couldn't find a reference to the darned thing. My eyes told me it was 13th century, and there I was, forced to check in the (shudder) 15th century volume, just to be sure I hadn't totally misjudged! And while I'm at it, I think I have to go write someone about those 13th century coifs on the cover of _Masons and Sculptors_.... ;> Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 06:36:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] paternosters Message-ID: <003901c32a5b$37161350$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C32A20.8A5C9830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any solid references to paternosters in the 10th C? & = what they would look like? I have an idea ... beads in groups of 10, 50, or 150 strung on a cord. = The Rosary as we know it today coming later in the Middle Ages... More info welcome. Aelfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C32A20.8A5C9830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone have any solid references = to=20 paternosters in the 10th C?  & what they would look = like?
I have an idea ... beads in groups of = 10, 50, or=20 150 strung on a cord.  The Rosary as we know it today coming later = in the=20 Middle Ages...
More info welcome.  = Aelfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C32A20.8A5C9830-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 18:15:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld Message-ID: <000a01c32abc$dd1428d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32A82.30394300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have found the following=20 http://www.42nd-dimension.com/NFPS/nfps_geteld.html to be about the only link giving dimensions & how-to's on geteld = construction. =20 Is this accurate? If not, where do I go to get accurate info? Aelfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32A82.30394300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have found the following =
http://www.4= 2nd-dimension.com/NFPS/nfps_geteld.html
to be about the only link giving = dimensions &=20 how-to's on geteld construction. 
Is this accurate?  If not, where = do I go to=20 get accurate info?  Aelfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32A82.30394300-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 18:32:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jack Horner) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] paternosters In-Reply-To: <003901c32a5b$37161350$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <20030604173214.10698.qmail@web14402.mail.yahoo.com> --0-158744321-1054747934=:10285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The earliest English reference I've heard of for prayer beads is 11th c., part of the burial goods of St. Godiva. Described as jewels on a string, if memory serves. -jack J Hill wrote: Does anyone have any solid references to paternosters in the 10th C? & what they would look like? I have an idea ... beads in groups of 10, 50, or 150 strung on a cord. The Rosary as we know it today coming later in the Middle Ages... More info welcome. Aelfgifu Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Horner maelcaedmon@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/amhlaidgh/ In the grim future of Hello Kitty, there is only war. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). --0-158744321-1054747934=:10285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The earliest English reference I've heard of for prayer beads is 11th c., part of the burial goods of St. Godiva. Described as jewels on a string, if memory serves.
 
-jack

J Hill <welshladygwen@citlink.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any solid references to paternosters in the 10th C?  & what they would look like?
I have an idea ... beads in groups of 10, 50, or 150 strung on a cord.  The Rosary as we know it today coming later in the Middle Ages...
More info welcome.  Aelfgifu

Jennifer Hill
Ælfgifu
Wes ðu hal.


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Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). --0-158744321-1054747934=:10285-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 18:46:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] locks Message-ID: I know they are not exactly period but i found this article on = manufacturing wooden locks (from Fine Wood Working Magazine) to be = interesting=20 =20 Halvgrimr=20 (work back from there to view a couple other articles from that mag)=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 21:00:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:00:56 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds Message-ID: <3A6E1FBA.4AA4081C.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Jennifer, Try this http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Other_Articles_I.pdf http://ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk/english17.html One of the California people made his first geteld out of painters drop cloth canvas. Not too expensive and ok for good weather events and to make mistakes on. Good luck. Eileen __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 21:30:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:30:58 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Alum Message-ID: <005e01c32ad8$3547b420$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C32AE0.96B82FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone interested in natural dyes, I came across this recently. 'For 'wreime' which is called moss: Let it be chopped up in an eggshell = and then add builder's lime. This is done until it is seen to be = properly matured. Then strain it through a cloth. Take the alum, place = it in water.....' I assume the 'alum' is the result of combining the = moss and the lime. This appears in 'Early Anglo-Norman Receipts for Colours.' as a method = of dyeing leather red with 'brasil' Could the 'moss' be a type of = clubmoss and was this how it was used? I can't find any reference to = 'wreime' to say what kind of moss it was. Cheers, Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C32AE0.96B82FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For anyone interested in natural dyes, = I came=20 across this recently.
 
'For 'wreime' which is called moss: Let = it be=20 chopped up in an eggshell and then add builder's lime. This is done = until it is=20 seen to be properly matured. Then strain it through a cloth. Take the = alum,=20 place it in water.....' I assume the 'alum' is the result of combining = the moss=20 and the lime.
 
This appears in 'Early Anglo-Norman = Receipts for=20 Colours.' as a method of dyeing leather red with 'brasil'  Could = the 'moss'=20 be a type of clubmoss and was this how it was used? I can't find any = reference=20 to 'wreime'  to say what kind of moss it was.
 
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C32AE0.96B82FC0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 21:32:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:32:44 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Fw: [Regia] Alum Message-ID: <006f01c32ad8$74a0bea0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: "Regia NA" ; "Regia E-Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [Regia] Alum > For anyone interested in natural dyes, I came across this recently. > > 'For 'wreime' which is called moss: Let it be chopped up in an eggshell and then add builder's lime. This is done until it is seen to be properly matured. Then strain it through a cloth. Take the alum, place it in water.....' I assume the 'alum' is the result of combining the moss and the lime. > > This appears in 'Early Anglo-Norman Receipts for Colours.' as a method of dyeing leather red with 'brasil' Could the 'moss' be a type of clubmoss and was this how it was used? I can't find any reference to 'wreime' to say what kind of moss it was. > > Cheers, > Hazel > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/lEfwlB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > For more information: http://www.regia.org/ > Post message: regia@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: email regia-owner@yahoogroups.com - saying who you are and which group > Unsubscribe: regia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: regia-owner@yahoogroups.com > Group documents at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regia/files/Documents/ > Regia@yahoogroups.com - Is there any alternative? > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 4 22:31:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:31:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Alum In-Reply-To: <005e01c32ad8$3547b420$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030604170954.026ad118@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Hazel wrote: >'For 'wreime' which is called moss: Let it be chopped up in an eggshell >and then add builder's lime. This is done until it is seen to be properly >matured. Then strain it through a cloth. Take the alum, place it in >water.....' I assume the 'alum' is the result of combining the moss and >the lime. > >This appears in 'Early Anglo-Norman Receipts for Colours.' as a method of >dyeing leather red with 'brasil' Could the 'moss' be a type of clubmoss >and was this how it was used? I can't find any reference to 'wreime' to >say what kind of moss it was. What do you make of the fact that there is a change of scribal hand in the original between "strain it through a cloth" and "Take the alum"? Everything from "take the alum" onward could easily be a stand-alone recipe for dyeing with alum and brazilwood. I read this one differently, and assumed the wreime juice provided a dyestuff or pigment that perhaps (like madder) worked better in the presence of calcium, hence the lime. (I was reminded of scribal recipes for iris where the juice is used.) Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 00:11:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] paternosters Message-ID: <20030604231143.BSAJ28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> (Someone may have already answered this, but I haven't gotten through all my mail yet...) I believe that the rosary was not brought to England until after the first Crusade. Previously it had been a device used by monks in Eastern lands to track the number of prayers they had completed. Bill > > From: "J Hill" > Date: Wed 04/Jun/2003 05:36 GMT > To: "Regia" > Subject: [Regia-NA] paternosters > > Does anyone have any solid references to paternosters in the 10th C? & what they would look like? > I have an idea ... beads in groups of 10, 50, or 150 strung on a cord. The Rosary as we know it today coming later in the Middle Ages... > More info welcome. Aelfgifu > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 00:14:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:14:01 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Swedish Book Message-ID: <20030604231401.BSCQ28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> Someone sent me some mail about help with a Swedish book. My server keeps getting bounced off your mail server, can you please try viking@whsmithnet.co.uk? Thanks, Bill __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 00:58:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:58:11 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England References: <0A063F26.7A347118.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3EDE8793.5050703@bellsouth.net> Eileen Young wrote: > Hi, > Vara said that it was hot. HOT-not. > It is 111 degrees Farenheight around here. > That's hot and it will get worse. > We all are about to switch our personas to rich > Arabs and wear cotton. Thanks heavens for air conditioning.!!! What no Egyptian Gauze? No sultry servants with parasols and fans? No fresh grapes and wine, fed as you recline? Ask Master Yehudah and the Hordebrothers out there. When the SCA Powers that be declared no bikinis at Pennsic, we put up a page documenting them to SCA period. The London well Leather Bikini bottom for example. Personally, in my observation chain mail bikinis are ridiculous though. Although there is a pair of chain mail shorts in the Von Kienbusch Armour Collection at the Philadelphia Museum of Art. Shaped like boxers. > Be well, > Eileen Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 02:10:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:10:02 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: leather References: <001901c32629$64d0dc70$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000b01c32636$6e122c00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <003501c32638$30027f80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3EDE986A.7030909@bellsouth.net> Ian Uzzell wrote: > Vegetable tanned is what you should have for our period. > > Ian > From: J Hill > When you are working w/ leather, do you prefer vegetable tanned > leather? Tell me that 1915 Royal Society of Irish Antiquaries is out of copyright and I may be able to educate you a bit on differences. It would appear that sour milk was another tanning method. AFAIK the 1978 Bern Convention says it is out of copyright and the new copyright law shouldn't affect it. But I have no idea how Crown Copyright laws are covered. Magnus, who after 4 years finally got the journal on the oldest Irish leatherwork with period sources discussing period methods and laws applicable to tanning about ten days ago. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 03:46:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] combs and mirrors References: Message-ID: <3EDEAF18.8020809@bellsouth.net> Years ago [early to mid 80's] when I was a model maker we used a variable durometer Urethane resin, which could be ordered/made to toughness desired and colored like ivory or bone. I want to say it was called Rencothane. This stuff was capable of taking exact impressions right down to hair cells/grain just like the rtv molds we used. We were making prototype models of various telephone cases and buttons and computer parts - had to look like they were the real thing when we were done. Including the finish and lettering. We used rtv rubber molds of course, and all things considered there would still be some clean up involved. For something as fine as comb teeth it would be extensive, and I expect the mold might have to be filled under vacuum, not just the material before it's poured into the mold. If anyone ever got this right there would be thousands of potential customers, but It could look pretty damned good actually. My application for this is I would like to do some ivory mirror cases of the French style, only I can't find ANY thing on them in English archaeoligical sources. I have lots of pictures of the carved sides, none at all of the mirror sides or the method of closure or encasements. I understand some were clam-shell and some were twist type closures. As I understand it only one pair is know to have been attached in modern times. **Any knowledge you might have on this subject would be highly appreciated.** I spent hours last week combing through the British/Irish database. I think I'm going to have to subscribe to that thing. But almost all the mirror stuff is either Celtic or Roman until you find some little mirrors made in pewter clamshells. I know a little about them is in the Museum of London books and the Artefacts Identified books from Greenlight Publishing. A friend in England sent me some stuff from the British Museum years ago that were partial German articles (no doubt to protect copyright)on the little metal ones but I know the source of them. Finding those wouldn't be that bad a problem. Finding stuff on the ivory mirrors is. The little metal mirrors were made by blowing a bubble of glass, breaking it into suitable sizes to fit, treating the glass somehow for reflectivity and puttying the convex side out in. Years ago I couldn't afford one copied by the Met for my wife from an antiques dealer. Making one of those in resin would be not too difficult actually. The resins cost a ton but... I have the rest of the equipment. Almost the same as for jewelry casting doing the investment process. Usually when one sees a comb in sculptures or illuminations - say with a mermaid - she's holding a mirror and what is usually a wooden style comb. There are a few highly carved ivory ones done in the wooden shape. I have a real wood one - likely from 19th C. Europe and the style hasn't changed much at all from what is in my archaeological books. Boxwood would have been a more ideal material. I have a large horn one not too far from me that is modern. I believe historicenterprises.com sells them. They have some nice shears for sure. Look under miscellaneous on the left of their pages and you will find a fine wooden comb. I notice now they are carrying the Herjolfnes gown too. Magnus Steve Etheridge wrote: >> From: "Ian Uzzell" >> >> I am afraid I cannot remember in which museum, but I have seen wooden >> combs. Very similar to modern nit combs. So they were used. Because >> of the nature of wood in the ground very few of these would survive, >> but it is my belief that there would be wooden combs in use in our >> period. >> >> Ian > > > I have seen combs from the later middle ages made of wood. IIRC there > are actually more of these than antler combs - perhaps meaning that > fashions have changed, or merely that (as Ian has said) antler will > survive in the archeological record for longer than wood. At dublin, > while the wood preservation is good, I don't remember any wooden combs, > although antler combs survived. Nathan, can you check my memory on this > please. > > Comb maker's workshops were a common feature of Viking settlements, so > it may be that the same craftsmen used the same tools on different > materials - antler being perhaps a higher quality product. However (he > says, putting on his official hat), ATM the evidence points towards > antler being the most common material used, so lets keep that as the > most common one that we have. > > BTW, I have (somewhere) a bone comb that was made from "artificial" > bone, apparently the stuff that surgeons use. I take it out rarely, as > it is somewhat fragile - a good advert for using the right material (and > no, I didn't make it myself!) > > Steve From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 05:57:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds References: <3A6E1FBA.4AA4081C.D3176DFB@netscape.net> Message-ID: <003e01c32b1e$f03f9d60$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Eileen: These look interesting. Thank you. Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 06:10:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Robert Woodman) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:10:36 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld Message-ID: I saw some nice looking getelds on a web site for a club called the Huscarls -in Australia-- they might be able to offer some information on making them > >I have found the following >http://www.42nd-dimension.com/NFPS/nfps_geteld.html >to be about the only link giving dimensions & how-to's on geteld >construction. >Is this accurate? If not, where do I go to get accurate info? Aelfgifu > >Jennifer Hill >Ælfgifu >Wes ðu hal. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 06:12:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: bone working References: <200306010243.h512hfSI015220@grape.dcsi.net.au> Message-ID: <3EDED145.7090901@bellsouth.net> Frojel Gotlandica wrote: > Hi magnus > > Yes have soaked it then clamped it into a carpenters vice for a day, > comes out nice and flat and can be sawn down the middle to seperate the > two plates. > I have also used a heat gun when in a hurry to soften it then clamped > between two boards in the carpenters vice. I have a nice big 10 inch one > which helps. It usually stays straight if removed after an hour or two. > Just don't be too impatient. > > Cheers > Sandy > > >If you figure out a way to use moose palm and separate one > >side from the other let me know. The middle third of the > >material is usually spongey calcareous bone tissue. Thanks I'll have to try it and hope it doesn't split. I have a large carpenter's vise too, and a twenty ton press frame with some steel plates. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 07:16:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:16:58 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld References: Message-ID: <001e01c32b2a$12756490$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Yes, thank you. They have some great info, don't they? Really nice people, too. :>) Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 07:38:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:38:20 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200306050629.h556TnIa004580@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_6541512=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep=20and=20most=20are=20made=20by=20Bob=20Ellis=20from=20BOJO=20Products=20= the=20premier=20Aussie=20tent=20maker,=20there's=20a=20link=20to=20 him=20on=20the=20Frojel=20web=20page=20in=20the=20Harbour=20market=20secti= on.=20He=20works=20pretty=20cheap=20adn=20the=20exchange=20rate=20is=20 still=20reasonable. 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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_6541512=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 07:30:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Robert Woodman) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld Message-ID: well I don't know, I did have a debate with one via email and he seemed to be very anti-SCA. But I have been told from people who have met them that they are nice people and they are one of the most authentic groups you could find. I would very much enjoy meeting them and seeing what they have. >From: "J Hill" >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] geteld >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:16:58 -0700 > >Yes, thank you. They have some great info, don't they? Really nice >people, >too. :>) Jennifer > >Jennifer Hill >Ælfgifu >Wes ðu hal. > > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 07:48:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld References: Message-ID: <000f01c32b2e$8c1b3870$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Sandy: Thanks for the info. I think I'll make my own geteld, tho'. However, it is really good to know there's someone out there making these things! That way, if mine falls apart, I'll have a place to go. :>) Robert: I have no idea if the Huscarls are anti-SCA or not. I have only been to 2 SCA events & it is unlikely that I'll get to Australia for Huscarls events any time soon. I'm just trying to make my little bitty group/house as authentic as I can without making myself insane. We'll be doing the hand-sewing of our gowns, doing our best to have authentic kit & camp... etc. I'm sure we'll make mistakes, but there's nothing that is irremediable. There are a great many groups out there trying to bring the "Dark Ages" to the fore. Everyone has been most kind to me, bringing me information I'd undoubtedly miss otherwise. I do wish we had a transporter & could all meet together & share ideas & skills. [I'm feeling a bit frustrated w/ online demos of naalbinding, for instance.] Meanwhile, I must be up early; I just needed a cup of hot chocolate before sleep. Yrs, Aelfgifu From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 10:59:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Eileen Young) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dress in Anglo Saxon England-hot Message-ID: <2E764192.03A28114.D3176DFB@netscape.net> I'm all for Egyptian gauze and servents with parasols and fans and grapes. By the way have you ever tried carbonated grapes? Great fun. Eileen __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 14:14:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Swedish Book Message-ID: i got it taken care of Bill, thanks anyway! Halvgrimr Robb -----Original Message----- From: VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk [mailto:VIKING@inthedanelaw.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:14 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: [Regia-NA] Swedish Book Someone sent me some mail about help with a Swedish book. My server = keeps getting bounced off your mail server, can you please try = viking@whsmithnet.co.uk? Thanks, Bill _________________________________________________________________________= _ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for = Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 14:26:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Robert Woodman [mailto:jarlulf@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:31 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] geteld well I don't know, I did have a debate with one via email and he seemed = to=20 be very anti-SCA. But I have been told from people who have met them = that=20 they are nice people and they are one of the most authentic groups you = could=20 find. I would very much enjoy meeting them and seeing what they have. --that would probably be Ian Dixon over the years we have become very good friends, despite the my = association with the SCA, he is a damn fine person, really! Halvgrimr Robb From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 15:37:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds Message-ID: Hi, Jennifer Just a few notes on the tent patterns/designs First, remember that the "geteld" patterns are based on manuscript illustrations. Thus all sizes etc are speculative - as are the pole arrangements. It is difficult to scale from AS manuscripts, although I tend to think that the tendency would be to scale the people up relative to the tent, so the tents _might_ be larger than they seem. Having been inside a replica of the Oseberg tent I can verify that this one is huge - designed to be transported by boat, not car! Most people have getelds with a simple "goalpost" style set of posts. (that would be what you would call a soccer goal, not what we would call an "american football" style of goal!) - two upright posts and one crossbar that extends through the "ears" at the end of the tent. The "ears" are (IMHO) tubes to prevent rain etc from coming through vents in the tent - useful if you have candles and fires in the tent (not recommended today on safety grounds - but very likely that they would have done it). It is entirely possible to have an A-frame arrangement for these tents - AFAIK there is no evidence for how the upright poles were done. Wether there was a stitch line going underneath the crosspole is a matter of debate - as is so much else. Such features are shown - I have interpreted it as being a piece of cloth lying along the ridge to act as a re-enforcement. Many re-enactmet tents (mine included!) have a "side opening" flap - where the whole of the side of the tent can be lifted up. AFAIK there is no evidence for this - we allow it so that the Members of Public who wander by can see what we are doing in our tents. (we also allow "firepit covers" so that on the rare occasions that it rains in Britain our fires don't get put out - but we have only a little evidence for these.) Please note that although these tents are called "saxon" or "english", they are probably based on late antique models. The pictures in the Harley Psalter, for example, are copied directly from the Utrecht psalter. Most of my sources are English in origin, but I suspect that continental sources would show something similar. Of course, this begs the question about how much we can trust the evidence of the manuscripts.... but that's a whole different can of worms. Hope this helps Steve BTW, I take it you've looked at http://www.regia.org/houses.htm Ben levick did a good summary of the available evidence for tents before he got abducted by the C17th. I'll probably dig it out for the revamped handbook >From: JuditheileenY@netscape.net (Eileen Young) >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds >Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:00:56 -0400 > >Jennifer, > >Try this > >http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Other_Articles_I.pdf > >http://ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk/english17.html > >One of the California people made his first geteld out of painters drop >cloth canvas. Not too expensive and ok for good weather events and to make >mistakes on. Good luck. > >Eileen > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >today! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 15:53:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Geteld Message-ID: <33FE3F0D.63A9F073.317CC750@aol.com> I would suggest that you go to Stephen's floregilum (formerly Rialto) and type in for tents and pavilions. You could also access the SCA main site, go to Tournament's Illumenated, and check the archives. The pattern for the geteld on the site that you listed is very similar to a tent that Roland Martel wrote about back in the late 1980s. He had found an illustration of such a tent in a French manuscript from the 10th or 11th century with the difference that the ends of the ridgepole had been carved to resemble dragon heads. He cited in his article that the manuscript was biblical and the figures would have been of contemporary Western Franks or Frenchmen as Norsemen's tents were depicted differently during that period. I will endeavor to find the article and get it to you. Brother Pagan mac Padruig mac Dugan Patrick D. Owen From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 16:44:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:44:01 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes Message-ID: <129.2b81b761.2c10bf41@aol.com> --part1_129.2b81b761.2c10bf41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH --part1_129.2b81b761.2c10bf41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I= would love to buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH --part1_129.2b81b761.2c10bf41_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 16:59:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: Geteld References: <33FE3F0D.63A9F073.317CC750@aol.com> Message-ID: <009001c32b7b$636fd0f0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Thank you! I'd love to read it. Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. tents were depicted differently during that period. I will endeavor to find the article and get it to you. > > Brother Pagan mac Padruig mac Dugan > Patrick D. Owen From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 17:06:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:06:08 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds Message-ID:

Eileen:

That would be my tent you're thinking of. ;) I started by cutting out a paper pattern from the 42-dimension site. From that, I derived the measurements. Unfortunately, I washed the fabric AFTER I cut it out. Don't do this! Anyway, having a sail-repair shop just down the street really helped, and they didn't charge *much* for the job.

http://www.ydalir.freeserve.co.uk/crafts/tent/pattern.htm

Some later tents use the "TT" internal bracing design and that may be where we get that part of the geteld reconstruction:

http://www.pantherprimitives.com/products/tent7.jpg

On manræden,

Osweald of Baldurstrand
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/

 

>From: JuditheileenY@netscape.net (Eileen Young)

>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>Subject: [Regia-NA] getelds
>Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:00:56 -0400
>
>Jennifer,
>
>Try this
>
>http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Other_Articles_I.pdf
>
>http://ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk/english17.html
>
>One of the California people made his first geteld out of painters drop cloth canvas. Not too expensive and ok for good weather events and to make mistakes on. Good luck.
>
>Eileen
>
>
>
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Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 20:23:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:23:25 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] FW: Halvgrimr's temp files Message-ID: > for anyone that has ever bookmarked any of my temp files i have = decided instead of digging them up every time some one needs them that i = will start archiving them for quicker results, in doing so i hastily = deleted the Oseberg Loom stuff i had but i will get it back up soon. >=20 > i have moved all the stuff to = http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/ instead of = http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/temp/ >=20 > Halvgrimr >=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 21:16:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brand N Flossi) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:16:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes References: <129.2b81b761.2c10bf41@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c32b9f$66f12520$870b7ad5@brcxb0w56b3wp5e> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32BA7.C7732210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 ? Brand ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to = buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32BA7.C7732210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 = ?
 
Brand
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does enbody know of a place to buy good viking = axes. I=20 would love to buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32BA7.C7732210-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 5 23:08:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Phil Scott) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:08:29 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes References: <129.2b81b761.2c10bf41@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c32baf$00b096f0$cc887ed4@lz0d2pf1f678b3u> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C32BB7.6062C0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Binns just did me a beautiful sharp Dane axe from some scale = drawings I made of an axe at the Archaeology and Anthropology Museum in = Cambridge. I can't recommend his work highly enough and I'm sure he would be happy = to ship to the States. http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk/ Phil ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to = buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C32BB7.6062C0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul Binns just did me a beautiful = sharp Dane=20 axe from some scale drawings I made of an axe at the Archaeology and=20 Anthropology Museum in Cambridge.
 
I can't recommend his work highly = enough and I'm=20 sure he would be happy to ship to the States.
 
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Phil
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does enbody know of a place to buy good viking = axes. I=20 would love to buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C32BB7.6062C0C0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 00:00:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:00:25 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes Message-ID: <1c2.a9db37e.2c112589@aol.com> --part1_1c2.a9db37e.2c112589_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear Brand I should have written this befor but I wloud like a combet axe MICAH=20 is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 ? =A0 Brand --part1_1c2.a9db37e.2c112589_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear Brand
I should have written this befor but I wloud like a combet axe
MICAH


is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 ?
=A0
Brand

 --part1_1c2.a9db37e.2c112589_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 08:02:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:02:24 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes References: <1c2.a9db37e.2c112589@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c32bf9$95b62860$88087ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32C01.F6BA4DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we have had both sharps and blunts off of Paul Binns and both are = wonderful vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes dear Brand I should have written this befor but I wloud like a combet axe MICAH=20 is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 ? =20 Brand ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32C01.F6BA4DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
we have had both sharps and blunts off = of Paul=20 Binns and both are wonderful
vara
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dear Brand
I should have written this befor = but I wloud=20 like a combet axe
MICAH


is that a combat axe or a sharp = m8=20 ?
 
Brand

 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32C01.F6BA4DA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 14:03:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:03:28 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Alum References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030604170954.026ad118@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <005e01c32c2c$06532000$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > > What do you make of the fact that there is a change of scribal hand in the > original between "strain it through a cloth" and "Take the > alum"? Everything from "take the alum" onward could easily be a > stand-alone recipe for dyeing with alum and brazilwood. Dear Carolyn, Quite right! I have just got the off print which has the body of the text. Page 203 has ' ....there is a change to a larger hand in black ink which continues to the end...' (sigh) Back to the drawing board! Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 17:33:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:33:24 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] SCAdians train riot police Message-ID: We are good for something!! http://www.phreeow.net/riot/ Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 17:36:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:36:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes In-Reply-To: <129.2b81b761.2c10bf41@aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry I'm getting into this late but what is the 14-18" a measure of? The hafted length? The cutting edge? That'd be one mighty combat axe. I've got some blades on order from Paul Binns. A great pleasure to deal with. My axes are working axes for felling and hewing so there's no direct correlation. There's a great book on axes called "The Ax and Man" by Paul Heavrin. Good photos of relics and repro's with a lot of background. A must read for the Ax enthusiast. Keep us posted as to what you come up with. I'm hoping to get some Frankish throwing axes some day. Same period. On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:44 AM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to > buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 17:57:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:57:54 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] vikeing axe Message-ID: <20.12b9ac92.2c122212@aol.com> --part1_20.12b9ac92.2c122212_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should have written this befor to im new at this 14 to 18inch is the cutin= g=20 edge thanks for the infor=20 MICAH Sorry I'm getting into this late but what is the 14-18" a measure of?=A0=20 The hafted length? The cutting edge?=A0 That'd be one mighty combat axe.=20 I've got some blades on order from Paul Binns. A great pleasure to deal=20 with. My axes are working axes for felling and hewing so there's no=20 direct correlation. There's a great book on axes called "The Ax and=20 Man" by Paul Heavrin. Good photos of relics and repro's with a lot of=20 background. A must read for the Ax enthusiast. Keep us posted as to=20 what you come up with. I'm hoping to get some Frankish throwing axes=20 some day. Same period. On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:44 AM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to=20 > buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH --part1_20.12b9ac92.2c122212_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should have written this befor to im new at this 14=20= to 18inch is the cuting edge  thanks for the infor
MICAH


Sorry I'm getting into this late but what is the 14-18" a measure of?=A0 The hafted length? The cutting edge?=A0 That'd be one mighty combat axe. I've got some blades on order from Paul Binns. A great pleasure to deal
with. My axes are working axes for felling and hewing so there's no
direct correlation. There's a great book on axes called "The Ax and
Man" by Paul Heavrin. Good photos of relics and repro's with a lot of
background. A must read for the Ax enthusiast. Keep us posted as to
what you come up with. I'm hoping to get some Frankish throwing axes
some day. Same period.


On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:44 AM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote:

> does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to > buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH
 --part1_20.12b9ac92.2c122212_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 18:22:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:22:58 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] vikeing axe In-Reply-To: <20.12b9ac92.2c122212@aol.com> Message-ID: <200306061714.h56HENIa005106@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having=20seen=20several=20hundred=20of=20the=20real=20ones=20might=20I=20j= ust=20put=20in=20that=20the=20largest=20real=20one=20I=20have=20seen=20had= =20a=20ten=20 inch=20blade,=20the=20average=20for=20the=20bearded=20axes=20appears=20to=20= have=20been=20eight=20to=20ten=20inch,=20allowing=20for=20rusting=20 away=20you=20could=20add=20a=20couple=20of=20inches=20and=20get=20away=20w= ith=20it=20but=20ten=20might=20be=20a=20little=20too=20much=20to=20add.=20= Even=20 the=20excecutioners=20axe=20from=20the=20middle=20ages=20was=20only=2015=20= inch=20in=20the=20edge=20with=20a=204=20foot=20handle.=20 hope=20that=20helps=20a=20little, Cheers Sandy --Original=20Message=20Text--- From:=20BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com Date:=20Fri,=206=20Jun=202003=2012:57:54=20EDT I=20should=20have=20written=20this=20befor=20to=20im=20new=20at=20this=201= 4=20to=2018inch=20is=20the=20cuting=20edge=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20infor= =20 MICAH Sorry=20I'm=20getting=20into=20this=20late=20but=20what=20is=20the=2014-18= "=20a=20measure=20of?=20=20 The=20hafted=20length?=20The=20cutting=20edge?=20=20That'd=20be=20one=20mi= ghty=20combat=20axe.=20 I've=20got=20some=20blades=20on=20order=20from=20Paul=20Binns.=20A=20great= =20pleasure=20to=20deal=20 with.=20My=20axes=20are=20working=20axes=20for=20felling=20and=20hewing=20= so=20there's=20no=20 direct=20correlation.=20There's=20a=20great=20book=20on=20axes=20called=20= "The=20Ax=20and=20 Man"=20by=20Paul=20Heavrin.=20Good=20photos=20of=20relics=20and=20repro's=20= with=20a=20lot=20of=20 background.=20A=20must=20read=20for=20the=20Ax=20enthusiast.=20Keep=20us=20= posted=20as=20to=20 what=20you=20come=20up=20with.=20I'm=20hoping=20to=20get=20some=20Frankish= =20throwing=20axes=20 some=20day.=20Same=20period. On=20Thursday,=20June=205,=202003,=20at=2011:44=20AM,=20BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.= com=20wrote: >=20does=20enbody=20know=20of=20a=20place=20to=20buy=20good=20viking=20axe= s.=20I=20would=20love=20to=20 >=20buy=20a=2014=20to=2018=20inch=20axe.=20thanks=20MICAH Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having=20seen=20several=20hundred=20= of=20the=20real=20ones=20might=20I=20just=20put=20in=20that=20the=20larges= t=20real=20one=20I=20have=20seen=20had=20a=20ten=20inch=20blade,=20the=20a= verage=20for=20the=20bearded=20axes=20appears=20to=20have=20been=20eight=20= to=20ten=20inch,=20allowing=20for=20rusting=20away=20you=20could=20add=20a= =20couple=20of=20inches=20and=20get=20away=20with=20it=20but=20ten=20might= =20be=20a=20little=20too=20much=20to=20add.=20Even=20the=20excecutioners=20= axe=20from=20the=20middle=20ages=20was=20only=2015=20inch=20in=20the=20edg= e=20with=20a=204=20foot=20handle.=20
hope=20that=20helps=20a=20little,
Cheers
Sandy

--Original=20Message=20Text---
From:=20BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com
Date:=20Fri,=206=20Jun=202003=2012:57:54=20EDT

I=20should=20= have=20written=20this=20befor=20to=20im=20new=20at=20this=2014=20to=2018in= ch=20is=20the=20cuting=20edge=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20infor=20
MICAH


Sorry=20I'm=20getting=20into=20this=20late=20but=20what=20is=20the=2014-18= "=20a=20measure=20of?=20=20
The=20hafted=20length?=20The=20cutting=20edge?=20=20That'd=20be=20one=20mi= ghty=20combat=20axe.=20
I've=20got=20some=20blades=20on=20order=20from=20Paul=20Binns.=20A=20great= =20pleasure=20to=20deal=20
with.=20My=20axes=20are=20working=20axes=20for=20felling=20and=20hewing=20= so=20there's=20no=20
direct=20correlation.=20There's=20a=20great=20book=20on=20axes=20called=20= "The=20Ax=20and=20
Man"=20by=20Paul=20Heavrin.=20Good=20photos=20of=20relics=20and=20repro's=20= with=20a=20lot=20of=20
background.=20A=20must=20read=20for=20the=20Ax=20enthusiast.=20Keep=20us=20= posted=20as=20to=20
what=20you=20come=20up=20with.=20I'm=20hoping=20to=20get=20some=20Frankish= =20throwing=20axes=20
some=20day.=20Same=20period.


On=20Thursday,=20June=205,=202003,=20at=2011:44=20AM,=20BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.= com=20wrote:

>=20does=20enbody=20know=20of=20a=20place=20to=20buy=20good=20viking=20= axes.=20I=20would=20love=20to=20
>=20buy=20a=2014=20to=2018=20inch=20axe.=20thanks=20MICAH
=20

Fr=F6jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
http://www.frojel.com/
frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 18:54:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] vikeing axe In-Reply-To: <200306061714.h56HENIa005106@grape.dcsi.net.au> Message-ID: Well... that's kind of what I was getting at. A 14" blade even without a poll and hollowed is going to weigh to much for combat. Most I've seen in print are actually narrow in the cutting edge long through the blade with no poll. Larger axes were probably ceremonial, like the executioner or honor guards etc. To give an ax users opinion; You want to find the lightest axe that can supply the needed force. In combat, or person felling, it doesn't take much. a 2lb camp ax with a 4 inch blade can seriously ruin anyones day with a moderate swing. For reasons of Sicilian temperment I'd rather not detail, I have cut a chainsaw motor in half with a basic collins 3lb felling axe. Medieval battles were often protracted so you couldn't get tired out in the initial charge and be lugging a big lump of iron on a stick everywhere you went. So... what I think we're saying is that if your after historical accuracy, a 6" bladed medium weight bearded axe is a mighty weapon. If you just "want" a 14" axe well, by all means get one. On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 01:22 PM, Frojel Gotlandica wrote: > Having seen several hundred of the real ones might I just put in that > the largest real one I have seen had a ten inch blade, the average for > the bearded axes appears to have been eight to ten inch, allowing for > rusting away you could add a couple of inches and get away with it but > ten might be a little too much to add. Even the excecutioners axe from > the middle ages was only 15 inch in the edge with a 4 foot handle. > hope that helps a little, > Cheers > Sandy > > --Original Message Text--- > From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:57:54 EDT > > I should have written this befor to im new at this 14 to 18inch is the > cuting edge thanks for the infor > MICAH > > > Sorry I'm getting into this late but what is the 14-18" a measure of? > The hafted length? The cutting edge? That'd be one mighty combat axe. > I've got some blades on order from Paul Binns. A great pleasure to deal > with. My axes are working axes for felling and hewing so there's no > direct correlation. There's a great book on axes called "The Ax and > Man" by Paul Heavrin. Good photos of relics and repro's with a lot of > background. A must read for the Ax enthusiast. Keep us posted as to > what you come up with. I'm hoping to get some Frankish throwing axes > some day. Same period. > > > On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:44 AM, BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com wrote: > > > does enbody know of a place to buy good viking axes. I would love to > > buy a 14 to 18 inch axe. thanks MICAH > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 6 19:41:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brand N Flossi) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:41:04 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes References: <1c2.a9db37e.2c112589@aol.com> Message-ID: <004301c32c5b$391b4380$82be7ad5@brcxb0w56b3wp5e> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C32C63.911D3220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In which case I have a group member who does very good hand and Dane = axe's at very good prices, I'm sure the older Regia UK remember know = Stuart Tyler's work. I'll ask post you a photo Of my two he made me so you can see. Best, Brand ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] viking axes dear Brand I should have written this befor but I wloud like a combet axe MICAH=20 is that a combat axe or a sharp m8 ? =20 Brand ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C32C63.911D3220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In which case I have a group member who = does very=20 good hand and Dane axe's at very good prices, I'm sure the older Regia = UK=20 remember know Stuart Tyler's work.
 
I'll ask post you a photo Of my two he = made me so=20 you can see.
 
Best,
 
Brand
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BASENJIS2FOR2@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 = 12:00=20 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] viking = axes

dear Brand
I should have written this befor = but I wloud=20 like a combet axe
MICAH


is that a combat axe or a sharp = m8=20 ?
 
Brand

 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C32C63.911D3220-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 7 01:36:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] spindles & distaffs Message-ID: <000a01c32c8c$c5f46e40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32C52.193FD520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Anglo-Saxon women, rather than Scandinavian women, was the drop = spindle a bottom whorl? & did it have a notch at the top or a carved = hook? Are you making your own or buying them & where? Did one use a distaff for flax only or for wool as well & what shape did = it take? =20 Also, what hand-combs are you using? I cannot afford to buy new combs = right yet, but want larger ones eventually. I currently have the Louet = Mini-combs which are inappropriate due to the plastic insert, I'm sure. = &, anyone who has found good purveyors of these goods in the States, = please let me know. Yrs, =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32C52.193FD520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For Anglo-Saxon women, rather than = Scandinavian=20 women, was the drop spindle a bottom whorl?  & did it have a = notch at=20 the top or a carved hook?
Are you making your own or buying them = &=20 where?
Did one use a distaff for flax only or = for wool as=20 well & what shape did it take? 
Also, what hand-combs are you = using?  I cannot=20 afford to buy new combs right yet, but want larger ones = eventually.  I=20 currently have the Louet Mini-combs which are inappropriate due to the = plastic=20 insert, I'm sure.  <G>
&, anyone who has found good = purveyors of these=20 goods in the States, please let me know.  Yrs, = =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32C52.193FD520-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 7 03:07:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Joy Cain) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] spindles & distaffs References: <000a01c32c8c$c5f46e40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <3EE148F2.2040807@insight.rr.com> --------------080801080509050204020505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Indigo Hound makes a nice (sharp!) set of Viking wool combs which I use. You can get them at the Woolery http://www.woolery.com and through other fiber vendors. They have a nice heft and are rather inexpensive. They are also nice for threatening fighters. I have made my own whorls out of soapstone and have purchased several spindles from different vendors over the years (spindles are habit forming). Mistress Barbara atte Dragon makes hers from clay and sometimes pit fires them. She also carves the shafts herself (I just measure dowels to fit). i own one artifact whorl, a lead one and have seen smilar whorls at the Woolery and other places. Joy J Hill wrote: > For Anglo-Saxon women, rather than Scandinavian women, was the drop > spindle a bottom whorl? & did it have a notch at the top or a carved > hook? > Are you making your own or buying them & where? > Did one use a distaff for flax only or for wool as well & what shape > did it take? > Also, what hand-combs are you using? I cannot afford to buy new combs > right yet, but want larger ones eventually. I currently have the > Louet Mini-combs which are inappropriate due to the plastic insert, > I'm sure. > &, anyone who has found good purveyors of these goods in the States, > please let me know. Yrs, Ælfgifu > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. --------------080801080509050204020505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indigo Hound makes a nice (sharp!) set of Viking wool combs which I use. You can get them at the Woolery http://www.woolery.com and through other fiber vendors. They have a nice heft and are rather inexpensive. They are also nice for threatening fighters.

I have made my own whorls out of soapstone and have purchased several spindles from different vendors over the years (spindles are habit forming). Mistress Barbara atte Dragon makes hers from clay and sometimes pit fires them. She also carves the shafts herself (I just measure dowels to fit). i own one artifact whorl, a lead one and have seen smilar whorls at the Woolery and other places.

Joy

J Hill wrote:
For Anglo-Saxon women, rather than Scandinavian women, was the drop spindle a bottom whorl?  & did it have a notch at the top or a carved hook?
Are you making your own or buying them & where?
Did one use a distaff for flax only or for wool as well & what shape did it take? 
Also, what hand-combs are you using?  I cannot afford to buy new combs right yet, but want larger ones eventually.  I currently have the Louet Mini-combs which are inappropriate due to the plastic insert, I'm sure.  <G>
&, anyone who has found good purveyors of these goods in the States, please let me know.  Yrs, Ælfgifu

Jennifer Hill
Ælfgifu
Wes ðu hal.

--------------080801080509050204020505-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 7 18:11:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:11:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed Message-ID: <20030607171154.49887.qmail@web21010.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1122138978-1055005914=:49153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student. If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated. Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1122138978-1055005914=:49153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student.
If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated.
Regards,
Mik


To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure!


Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience
--0-1122138978-1055005914=:49153-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 8 04:21:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:21:27 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed References: <20030607171154.49887.qmail@web21010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c32d6d$0c415800$9a00a8c0@field2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32D4B.84E4F360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mik You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in = London - I think she is in Croydon. www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her to = someone nearer. Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training bash. All the best Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!! ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mik lawson=20 To: regia uk=20 Cc: regia northern ; regia-na=20 Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's = very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in = sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses = available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the = courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody = know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that = would be affordable to a young student. If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as = needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started = in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some = stage if correctly motivated. Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32D4B.84E4F360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mik
You might steer her to Lorraine Evans = of Lanista=20 Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in Croydon.
www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm
Although not near you it is a good bet = that=20 Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer.
Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up = at the=20 October training bash.
All the best
Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed = your B of H=20 book !!!  ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mik=20 lawson
Cc: regia northern ; regia-na=20
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 = 1:11=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] advice = needed

I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a = sword,she's very=20 eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in = sword=20 work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses = available to=20 learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they = don't=20 teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does = teach=20 sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young=20 student.
If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as = needed.Remember=20 that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in = re-enactment &=20 in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly = motivated.
Regards,
Mik


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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32D4B.84E4F360-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 8 05:29:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Something to look at. Message-ID: <03d301c32d76$9e09d060$1c06b1d8@olaf> Hej! A friend sent me the following link to a group that was set up near her at a mundane blacksmithing hammer in. They are called the Wolves of Wodan, they received an award for "most historic display" & put up a series of photos of another group of smiths from the Forge e-list that are doing a reproduction of the Mastermyr find. Check out the photos of "Age of Iron 2003" http://groups.msn.com/WolvesofWodan/shoebox.msnw?Page=6 Pax, Olaf of Trollhiemsfjord From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 8 11:24:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:24:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed In-Reply-To: <000801c32d6d$0c415800$9a00a8c0@field2> Message-ID: <20030608102447.60170.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1429866543-1055067887=:57139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit far for the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but i'll contact them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being vapid but which October training bash?I'm intrested. Regards, mik Martin Field wrote: Hi Mik You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in Croydon. www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer. Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training bash. All the best Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: mik lawson To: regia uk Cc: regia northern ; regia-na Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student. If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated. Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1429866543-1055067887=:57139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit far for the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but i'll contact them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being vapid but which October training bash?I'm intrested.
Regards,
mik

Martin Field <marfield66@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi Mik
You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in Croydon.
Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer.
Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training bash.
All the best
Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!!  ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mik lawson
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Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed

I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student.
If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated.
Regards,
Mik


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--0-1429866543-1055067887=:57139-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 8 16:14:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed In-Reply-To: <20030607171154.49887.qmail@web21010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030608111418.02cd8e50@mmail> Mik: >I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very >eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses I'm not sure if the Royal Armouries offers courses, but the affiliated European Historial Combat Guild does: http://www.ehcg.org For those in the New England area, I recommend the courses offered by the Higgins Armory Sword Guild (affiliated with Higgins Armory in Worcester, MA). There's a summer class for younger students, and regular classes begin again in the fall. Information here: http://www.higginssword.org Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 00:51:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 19:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: {Regian-NA} a bit on antler and bone working in which Magnus goes a bit nuts. References: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF776995@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <3EE3CBFD.2070303@bellsouth.net> Bill [divers descriptives] wrote: > The hardest part for me when doing a comb is the planing > of the plates to make them all the same thickness. > Since I do most of my work sans electricity, that's a lot > of work. Does anyone have a better method? I should imagine they pushed against a little board stop pinned or held in a slot to the top of their workbench/beam and scraped/filed them to thickness. One should do this to the convex side first, and then the concave, rather the opposite of how one would plane a board in a jointer/planer situation. Otherwise you would get tipping side to side and negate your efforts. [With a cupped board one should plane the concave side on a jointer before putting it in a planer.] The scraping could be done with a file held at an oblique angle and used with both hands in a method known as draw filing. We know they had files for certain. A finer, medium -curved tooth- file used today for body work would work well, the same kind one would use on aluminum so it doesn't load the teeth. The period file survivals I have seen all had larger teeth. Of course finer teeth are destined to be eaten away by rust. A formica file for laminates for countertops would also cut well. File teeth in period were made by driving a short chisel angles into the bar with carefully measured strokes - a distinct art. An old trick using hand planes when you want exact matches is to put sticks of equal thickness on either side of the plane bottom. When you hit bottom you hit bottom. This could be accomplished by using double stick tape [or a water dissolving glue like ordinary hide/white glue to put the sticks on with to a metal plane, or little flat head bolts and nuts through the plane base.] This is very common in Chinese/Korean/Japanese constructions where they are making shoji screens or tansu moldings or fretwork screens. I think http://www.leevalley.com/ has some for sale currently. I'm pretty sure I saw three different models of Asian 'winged' planes there fairly cheaply. These have bars sticking out at 90 degrees to the body. They are usually pulled instead of pushed. For tiny pieces some people push against a flat head screw that can be screwed up or down on the worktable. Set low enough it should avoid your plane with edge- sticks. For more stability you could use two flat-topped wood screws placed near each other to push against. The screw's edge both holds the piece and pushes it down when planing. There is a new type of bowyer's scraper that has about five or six scrapers set into its bottom vertically at oblique varying angles into a little board. I haven't tried one, but for fine carving in bone or plastic I commonly reshape dental tools and scrape with them. When I was making parts to one thousandth's of an inch by hand sometimes I would use one little board of exact thickness at one side of the piece to be worked on and slide the non-sandpapered end of my stick over the board while the sandpapered end slid over the workpiece. [Actually all of these were plastic pieces.] Of course the board has to be set on some thing like tape or sandpaper equally glued to it's bottom with double-sided carpet tape to come by the right thickness for it. Checking with a dial vernier caliper would tell you when the workpiece is exactly the right thickness and parallel. Sometimes you can simply swivel the sanding board as if on a pivot. On small long things this is very necessary. You can also stick your spacer to the bottom of your sanding board. ;) There are many paths to the same end. I used to make tiny plastic moldings as small as 15 X 20 thousandths' of an inch, often triangular in cross-section of of off-cuts of plexiglass. We actually cut many pieces on full sized tablesaws on the blade's side -away from the fence- that were each tiny compared to the blade's individual carbide teeth. In this case the moldings were a bit like strings and we grabbed ahold of them before they got sucked into the teeth. The heat from the friction would curve them away at first. One does this by placing one's hand heel securely on the tabletop first and then grabbing the piece with the fingers at a slightly safe distance. A hand-shake non-located as above and your fingers could be in the blade. On precisely cut multiple pieces we would make a plastic (jig) piece cut through only *part-way* to slide back and forth against a [machined bar clamped-down] fence and then glue locating pieces to the top of it to butt against. The bar or fence was always checked precisely front and back for parallel to the miterslide grooves. * Something like this would make parallel pieces multiply. [A Jig is a moving part for holding pieces to be machined/worked in some fashion. A Fixture is a non- moving piece that holds a workpiece to a machine table that is generally moved under a cutter. These also have handwork applications.] We also made certain the saw yokes under the top were adjusted so the blade would be parallel to the miter-slide slots. This is done by loosening the 4 bolts under the top that hold the saw trunions and moving/tightening/checking the same tooth rotated front and back by measuring the distance back and front from the miter slide slot. There can be only one way of accurizing a saw. It's a pain but you only have to do it once, and you'd better unless you like inaccurate and burned cuts. All circular saw blades wobble a bit and we would take a little wood block and rotate the blade by hand against it both sides backwards by hand. Then we would mark the far and near teeth from the fence on it with magic marker on either side of the blade. These were referred to as the 'High Teeth'. They were the ones we measured from to the fence when we set up. IN practice the workpiece to be cut into tiny pieces was then located atop the sliding jig against the glued on little fences set to the desired angles and as we pushed the piece across the top of the saw we would hold the tiny pieces with ice-picks to keep them from flying away. I am digressing on the topic because you are looking to get evenly matched pieces. When I did plastic models or parts the jigs were made of plastic. I did industrial and architectural models and at one place we also did Sci-Fi replicas once in a while for an esoteric collector who would then put the pieces together himself. The submarine from the old 60's series for example with the front end a bit like a manta ray's wings was one of them. When I did plywood for cabinets or wood parts for furniture the jigs were made of plywood and had a fairly exact little stick or two screwed on the bottom that slid underneath in the miterslide slots. Sometimes there would be location fences tacked to the top and sometimes there would be brads driven in the top, clipped off a 1/16th of an inch high and filed sharp to keep the workpieces from moving when we pushed the jig over the tablesaw top. The unwanted piece cuts away on the other side. On one of these there was no jig side on the other side of the blade. It was simply a cut off jig and I would scribe ink lines on the workpiece edges where I wanted them cut and simply set each of them over the edge of the sliding jig, then press down to hold the piece rigid on the pins. Guaranteed a relatively accurate cut. One last method for unusual pieces involves cutting acute angles. Normally only angles of 45 degrees may be cut on the tablesaw - unless you make a jig that moves vertically over the tablesaw fence or locates with a wider base sliding on the groove for the miterslide. If you clamp/cramp your workpiece to this you can cut up to and including knife-edged angles. These are all not commonly known techniques. If you ever try them on acrylics use CAST and not extruded acrylic. Extruded melts much more easily when sawing. I slab my antler and bone out on a bandsaw, if you want all even plates you do it between the fence and the blade once you've gotten past the round outer side curves you use for the outside plates. This assumes you still have new teeth for the blade and it's tracking straight. I once cut a number of antler pieces in the University Crafts Shop when my tools were in storage to the grateful looks of all about me. ;) I've done it by hand too and I prefer saving the muscles these days. When I am dealing with the calcareous spongy tissue in bone or antler I have one final trick. Getting rid of the spongey material is difficult by hand. It's easy with a bandsaw. Just as in using a technique with which it is easy to file with a jeweler's saw blade in small places by using the side of the blade to rest against the material while you file delicately with one side of the saw teeth you can do much the same with a bandsaw by resting the good part of the bone against the side of the moving blade and letting the side of the bandsaw teeth nibble away at the material you don't want. To do this SAFELY one should cut midway into a board first and leave the board [clamped/cramped if possible] on the table. One then uses the board to rest the bone or antler on. This way there is no danger of the material dropping into the larger hole of the saw's throat plate and pulling your fingers closer to the blade. **I hold the material from -behind- the blade** as it moves and *I rest the part I want against the side of the blade behind the teeth. Meanwhile I nibble away at the parts I don't want with the teeth.* You work from the middle toward each end essentially if you have a lot to remove. Doing enough of this is going to wear away at the set of the teeth so you might want to use the teeth on both sides alternately. More set on one side than the other and the blade tracks in the direction of the most set. Set means the front edge of alternate teeth (generally) sticks out sideways a bit from the blade. No set and you cannot cut turns with the workpiece. Of course in doing any of this using power tools you want adequate eye and breathing protection. I suggest a face shield at the minimum for eye protection. I have wheels on the smaller [Sears] bandsaw so I can roll it outside for cutting smelly or dusty materials. I have cups to put under the wheels so they won't otherwise slide. I am uncertain of the provenance, but one of the things I made my wife years ago was the little animorphic comb depicted in Du Chaillu's The Viking, 1883. That was a rhomboid one piece carved out of the conjunction of various antler limbs. I did it entirely by hand from slabbing to carving the grooves with engraving chisels. It's quite pretty, but described as possibly foreign in the book. Only I've never seen this one piece style [attached to a chain probably hung at the shoulders] anywhere else. Anne has a full-sized version, it has two opposing heads and hangs from a silver twisted ring at the top. The way the Vikings apparently worked antler was to scratch deep V's lengthwise down the shaft at quarters, and then drive a large tapered piece into the I assume *soaked* antler end to split them which didn't always succeed from the remains of failed pieces -or- by prying/popping the plates up with a heavy knife or chisel. This was done after cutting the antler to length generally, although I know I have seen cuts just deep enough to hit the calcareous tissue probably in one of MacGregor's books. I've seen it described both ways in the literature including a couple of how they were recreated books or articles. I have more resources than just MacGregor's books on making and varieties of combs from different provenances. A few I am still looking about for. Not all of them I have had time to put into the computer though for quotations. I spend a substantial amount of time searching for certain subjects like bonework on the web and waiting to see which ones I've ordered I actually get. Right now I am waiting on six of the Birka books including I, II: 1,2,3, IV and something ancillary from Sweden and Holland. I believe I am getting them all this time. III and V I already have. Tomorrow I should receive a rare 1918 German monograph on the Ancient Artillery of Castle Saalburg, that's an English approximation of the German. First I ordered it, then they called saying it was lost, then they called telling me it was being sent again the next day. Good for the blood pressure. I imagined someone had stolen it from the store. Ridiculous price. Had looked for it and at the only one listed for six months. One of the prime resources on Roman siege engine reconstructions. I have ambitions towards making the little arrow/javelin throwers that accompanied most legions and which wreaked havoc at Maiden Castle. (Curiously it's much cheaper than Birka I. This has been an expensive week but then we aren't going to Pennsic this year. May go to the coast instead.) Magnus, just getting to this part. Sorry I'm a bit late. > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 01:17:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: bone working References: <001901c32629$64d0dc70$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000b01c32636$6e122c00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <3EE3D223.5050206@bellsouth.net> J Hill wrote: > Thank you! That is just the sort of info I need. > AFter I posted, I found a tandyleather on line, too. Maybe they just > closed their retail stores. > > When you are working w/ leather, do you prefer vegetable tanned leather? It's the only type you can tool. It's generally the only type they had, although other types were used for shoes. Mostly it was done with oak although there were various wild methods from Roman times on, involving even urine and dog doo. Modern Chrome tanned leathers can be spotted by looking at a cut edge, you will see a grey interior. In period the only stain we can reasonably prove other than oiling and use seems to be a vinegar/rust type of black. This produces a slate grey type of black. You can achieve this by putting rusty iron into a vinegar mixture and waiting a few weeks. A faster method would be to light some fine steel wool and let it burn in a pipe, which produces iron oxide (rust) quickly. A less sticky method [says he that has used vinegars for cleaning iron] is acetic acid/photographer's Stop Bath, which is vinegar without the sugars. Various oilings will produce various shades of brown. Neatsfoot oil or mink oil, or stuffing the leather with tallow or stuffing which is highly rendered beef fat. You repeatedly rub it in until you can't get it to absorb anymore. See the medieval-leather@egroups.com group backlog which can also be read and post group messages to on the web http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medieval-leather/ Dye methods for leather are not documented before the 1500's. That doesn't mean they did not have them. It means we don't have the recipes. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 05:06:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] WW Loom References: <20030530225552.PTDK28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> <004001c326ff$dfd52670$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <001101c3273a$dd20b300$d4ef4d51@mshome.net> <000b01c32743$029bc180$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004901c327c0$90242d80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3EE407A8.9050104@bellsouth.net> There is a book specifically on the Warp Weighted Loom by that title. It's in print. I have one myself. Here's a bargain on an older edition: Hoffman, Marta The Warp-Weighted Loom: Studies in the History and Technology of an Ancient Implement New York: Textile Book Service, 1964. Good. 6 x 9". Ex-library copy. Originally a paperback, now rebound in library hardcover with original paper cover bound in. Usual library markings. A sound working copy. Bookseller Inventory #012683 Price: US$ 17.00 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: Warren Art Books Contact: John Warren Address: 22 N. Centre St., Merchantville, NJ, U.S.A., 08109 Homepage: http://www.warrenartbooks.com E-mail: warren.art@verizon.net Phone #: 856 663 3340 Fax #: 856 663 3340 There exists in the NCSU College of Textiles a thesis on the remains of warp-weighted looms from various finds, mostly in Britain if I recall. I went through it about fifteen years ago. There were lots of bone weaving combs, bone awls, sword beaters, and loom weights depicted in it as they were found in multiple excavations of huts, etc. I cannot recall the original author or title although Warp Weighted Looms or vertical looms should have been part of it. I don't know if it's been put on microfilm or not. Ask. http://www.library.ncsu.edu/ should take you to the library page. Incidentally, there is an advanced search page that connects the Triangle Research Library Network there that searches the massive amount of books at NCSU, Duke U., Chapel Hill, and has additional links to the Library of Congress and other institutions. Quite good. By the way, your selection of bone needles will be mailed tomorrow Charlotte. The other orders I got have been all sent. I still have a good hundred or more partially done holed blanks left. The little plastic box you sent was broken in about ten pieces. The needles are in doubled over cardboard cells going back. Far enough from the top or bottom of the cardboard to hopefully avoid the cancellation machine stamp. Just pull the cardboard apart. There is a finished example and an odd one I thought might be worth trying for naalbinding gratis for an experiment. Magnus crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > Actually, I'd be interesting in pics of a working warp-weighted loom, > too...! > > --charlotte mayhew From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 05:43:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:43:47 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] WW Loom References: <20030530225552.PTDK28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost> <004001c326ff$dfd52670$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <001101c3273a$dd20b300$d4ef4d51@mshome.net> <000b01c32743$029bc180$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004901c327c0$90242d80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <3EE407A8.9050104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <001e01c32e41$b721e670$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Re: Marta Hoffman's book... I have it & think it very informative. However, there is more recent info. May I suggest you go to http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/wwloom.html for a very good bibliography on the subject. Good luck. Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 16:30:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed References: <20030608102447.60170.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c32e9c$05609f20$9a00a8c0@field2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C32E7A.7E150360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was an announcement about a month or so ago regards a training = weekend in the Wirrel area - at least I think it is the Wirrel area. There is also a scheduled talk given by someone of note - Kim said he = would be attending this talk. I can't find the details so please ask Kim. Alll the best Martin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mik lawson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit far = for the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but = i'll contact them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being = vapid but which October training bash?I'm intrested. Regards, mik Martin Field wrote: Hi Mik You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in = London - I think she is in Croydon. www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her = to someone nearer. Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training = bash. All the best Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!! ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mik lawson=20 To: regia uk=20 Cc: regia northern ; regia-na=20 Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's = very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in = sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses = available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the = courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody = know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that = would be affordable to a young student. If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as = needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started = in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some = stage if correctly motivated. Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure!=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C32E7A.7E150360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There was an announcement about a month = or so ago=20 regards a training weekend in the Wirrel area - at least I think it is = the=20 Wirrel area.
There is also a scheduled talk given by = someone of=20 note - Kim said he would be attending this talk.
I can't find the details so please ask=20 Kim.
Alll the best
Martin
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mik=20 lawson
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 = 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice=20 needed

Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit = far for=20 the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but i'll = contact=20 them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being vapid = but which=20 October training bash?I'm intrested.
Regards,
mik

Martin Field <marfield66@sympatico.ca>=20 wrote:
Hi Mik
You might steer her to Lorraine = Evans of=20 Lanista Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in=20 Croydon.
www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm
Although not near you it is a good = bet that=20 Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer.
Perhaps we'll get the chance to = meet up at the=20 October training bash.
All the best
Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed = your B of H=20 book !!!  ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mik=20 lawson
Cc: regia northern ; = regia-na
Sent: Saturday, June 07, = 2003 1:11=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] advice=20 needed

I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a = sword,she's=20 very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had = courses=20 in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have = courses=20 available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for = the=20 courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does = anybody know=20 of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that = would be=20 affordable to a young student.
If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as=20 needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got = started in=20 re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at = some=20 stage if correctly motivated.
Regards,
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C32E7A.7E150360-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 16:53:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:53:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed In-Reply-To: <004f01c32e9c$05609f20$9a00a8c0@field2> Message-ID: <20030609155300.24911.qmail@web21010.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1298459569-1055173980=:24909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that event,though it would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury training weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf hospitality is second to none. Regards, mik Martin Field wrote: There was an announcement about a month or so ago regards a training weekend in the Wirrel area - at least I think it is the Wirrel area. There is also a scheduled talk given by someone of note - Kim said he would be attending this talk. I can't find the details so please ask Kim. Alll the best Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: mik lawson To: list-regia-na@lig.net Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit far for the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but i'll contact them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being vapid but which October training bash?I'm intrested. Regards, mik Martin Field wrote: Hi Mik You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in Croydon. www.lawa.co.uk/begin.htm Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer. Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training bash. All the best Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: mik lawson To: regia uk Cc: regia northern ; regia-na Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student. If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated. Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1298459569-1055173980=:24909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that event,though it would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury training weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf hospitality is second to none. 
Regards,
mik
 

Martin Field <marfield66@sympatico.ca> wrote:
There was an announcement about a month or so ago regards a training weekend in the Wirrel area - at least I think it is the Wirrel area.
There is also a scheduled talk given by someone of note - Kim said he would be attending this talk.
I can't find the details so please ask Kim.
Alll the best
Martin
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mik lawson
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed

Thanks Martin,i have pointed her in that direction but it's a bit far for the lady to travel as she wishes to train on a regular basis but i'll contact them myself & see what i can find out.Forgive me for being vapid but which October training bash?I'm intrested.
Regards,
mik

Martin Field <marfield66@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi Mik
You might steer her to Lorraine Evans of Lanista Warfare Academy in London - I think she is in Croydon.
Although not near you it is a good bet that Lorraine could refer her to someone nearer.
Perhaps we'll get the chance to meet up at the October training bash.
All the best
Martin fram Wynmerstow (who enjoyed your B of H book !!!  ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mik lawson
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed

I've had a request off someone wanting to train with a sword,she's very eager to learn & had heard that the Royal Armouries had courses in sword work.Does anyone know if the Armouries do if fact have courses available to learn the sword or if there's an a minimum age for the courses?If they don't teach the sword to none employees does anybody know of anyone who does teach sword work in the Harrogate area that would be affordable to a young student.
If you have information,you can mail me on or off list as needed.Remember that with out help,most of us wouldn't have got started in re-enactment & in that i include myself.She may join Regia at some stage if correctly motivated.
Regards,
Mik


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--0-1298459569-1055173980=:24909-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 22:38:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:38:44 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed References: <20030609155300.24911.qmail@web21010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c32ed2$77eaeb00$700e7ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C32ED7.E20F3680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thankyou for the compliment. During Jan Messent's and Hazel Uzzell's talks we have arranged for Paddy = to keep the warriors busy. (Oct 4th and 5th) Vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mik lawson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that event,though = it would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury = training weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf = hospitality is second to none.=20 Regards, mik ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C32ED7.E20F3680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thankyou for the = compliment.
During Jan Messent's and Hazel = Uzzell's talks=20 we have arranged for Paddy to keep the warriors busy. (Oct 4th and 5th)
Vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mik=20 lawson
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 = 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice=20 needed

Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that = event,though it=20 would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury = training=20 weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf = hospitality is=20 second to none. 
Regards,
mik
 
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C32ED7.E20F3680-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 9 23:23:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants Message-ID: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32E9B.04F80EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you know if related or unrelated mustards are useful as dyeplants? = Dyer's Woad is a noxious weed here & is unlawful to plant, however, = there is quite a bit of some natural mustard looking plant down by the = roadside... =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32E9B.04F80EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do you know if related or unrelated = mustards are=20 useful as dyeplants?  Dyer's Woad is a noxious weed here & is = unlawful=20 to plant, however, there is quite a bit of some natural mustard looking = plant=20 down by the roadside...  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32E9B.04F80EC0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 00:35:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:35:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] advice needed In-Reply-To: <000001c32ed2$77eaeb00$700e7ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <20030609233537.20211.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-186951542-1055201737=:19608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well if cuddly Paddy is there,i'll try my best to get there. Regards, mik Hrolf Douglasson wrote: Thankyou for the compliment. During Jan Messent's and Hazel Uzzell's talks we have arranged for Paddy to keep the warriors busy. (Oct 4th and 5th) Vara ----- Original Message ----- From: mik lawson To: list-regia-na@lig.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that event,though it would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury training weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf hospitality is second to none. Regards, mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-186951542-1055201737=:19608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Well if cuddly Paddy is there,i'll try my best to get there.
Regards,
mik

Hrolf Douglasson <Hrolf@btinternet.com> wrote:
Thankyou for the compliment.
During Jan Messent's and Hazel Uzzell's talks we have arranged for Paddy to keep the warriors busy. (Oct 4th and 5th)
Vara
----- Original Message -----
From: mik lawson
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] advice needed

Ahh, now i'm with you!I'm not sure if i'm going to that event,though it would be nice to see some new faces.I couldn't make Shrewsbury training weekend so i'd enjoy something different & Var & Hrolf hospitality is second to none. 
Regards,
mik
 


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--0-186951542-1055201737=:19608-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 01:39:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots Message-ID: <2d584d2b.9183d2bf.8236600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Looking through Halvgrimr's pages http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ 93.jpg has inspired me to ask: Does anyone know of a period implement or method, conjecturally period implement or method, or even a modern way to mass-produce these ubiquitous circle-and-dot motifs? (Some other way than wood-burning, I might add.) The best I've done is to file a screwdriver into an inverted U, which works but is hell on my hands. BTW, I have an interesting story regarding these. I sent a similar query to a specialty tool and bit company, hoping I might find something modern to do the trick, and included a different picture of some 11c dice. The guy I corresponded with didn't read my message carefully and thought that they were of modern manufacture. He allowed as how they could only be done with some sophisticated manufacturing process and tools. He was quite amazed and impressed when I pointed out that they had been made 1000 years ago with hand tools. -- Signy From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 02:38:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Yolli) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:38:33 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots In-Reply-To: <2d584d2b.9183d2bf.8236600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <000b01c32ef1$015a5880$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> The tool you've made is just about right. All I would add is that of the two points you've made at the tip of the blade, one should be slightly longer than the other. This will cut the dot bit and the other will cut the ring. A good grip is essential otherwise it will mess your hands up. Don't cut the ring bit too deep or the small bit of bone will sheer off in the process. Roll. -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of Tracie Brown Sent: 10 June 2003 01:39 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots Looking through Halvgrimr's pages http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ 93.jpg has inspired me to ask: Does anyone know of a period implement or method, conjecturally period implement or method, or even a modern way to mass-produce these ubiquitous circle-and-dot motifs? (Some other way than wood-burning, I might add.) The best I've done is to file a screwdriver into an inverted U, which works but is hell on my hands. BTW, I have an interesting story regarding these. I sent a similar query to a specialty tool and bit company, hoping I might find something modern to do the trick, and included a different picture of some 11c dice. The guy I corresponded with didn't read my message carefully and thought that they were of modern manufacture. He allowed as how they could only be done with some sophisticated manufacturing process and tools. He was quite amazed and impressed when I pointed out that they had been made 1000 years ago with hand tools. -- Signy ://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 07:55:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:55:30 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <002601c32f1d$494dd320$9b837ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C32F25.A9A0F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know of any evidence for their use. If you are just trying it = out I would be interested in the results. I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week, as well as a = rich green from weld. The madder isn't behaving yet though. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Hazel Uzzell ; Regia=20 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants Do you know if related or unrelated mustards are useful as dyeplants? = Dyer's Woad is a noxious weed here & is unlawful to plant, however, = there is quite a bit of some natural mustard looking plant down by the = roadside... =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C32F25.A9A0F7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know of any evidence for their = use. If you=20 are just trying it out I would be interested in the = results.
I have had the most wonderful pink from = kermes this=20 week, as well as a rich green from weld. The madder isn't behaving yet=20 though.
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Hazel Uzzell ; Regia=20
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 = 11:23=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard = plants

Do you know if related or unrelated = mustards are=20 useful as dyeplants?  Dyer's Woad is a noxious weed here & is = unlawful to plant, however, there is quite a bit of some natural = mustard=20 looking plant down by the roadside...  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C32F25.A9A0F7E0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 08:24:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:24:48 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002601c32f1d$494dd320$9b837ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <004b01c32f21$6034b8c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C32F29.C1ACD580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week,=20 Re-'kermes' A piece of useless info.... Quite a few of the textiles from Scandinavia which were tested turned = out to be dyed with 'Polish Cochineal' Cheers Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C32F29.C1ACD580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I have had the most wonderful pink = from kermes=20 this week,
 
Re-'kermes'  A piece of useless=20 info....
 
Quite a few of the textiles from = Scandinavia which=20 were tested turned out to be dyed with 'Polish Cochineal'
Cheers
Hazel
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C32F29.C1ACD580-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 08:26:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Robert Woodman) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:26:40 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Getelds Message-ID: I wrote to The Huscarls asking what they think of the tents they have from BOJO and they replied saying they have no idea who or what BOJO is and that they make all their tents themselves. They hope to have a web site with step by step guide on how to make them up soon. They said they will put me on a list of people to notify when it's done. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 14:17:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Patchett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Getelds References: Message-ID: <3EE5DA65.4010009@sympatico.ca> Robert Woodman wrote: > I wrote to The Huscarls asking what they think of the tents they have > from BOJO and they replied saying they have no idea who or what BOJO > is and that they make all their tents themselves. They hope to have a > web site with step by step guide on how to make them up soon. They > said they will put me on a list of people to notify when it's done. > On that note, I would like to mention that some of the folks from Wynmerestow made getelds last year. We finally have 3 sets of plans on our web site for various sizes, including step by step sewing directions. 1, marked Foote and Grainne's plans, has a separate ridge cap. (look at the article for sewing directions) The other 2 are tents that Edward and I produced. 1 large one 1 small one. Both of these tents have an integral ridge sleeve. Check the plan if you're not sure what I mean. Check them out at : http://www.regia.ca Follow the link to Articles and then to Anglo Saxon tents (getelds). This part of the site isn't real pretty, but it does have some good information Please let us know if it's useful or if you need more information. Thanks Ædwen From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 16:14:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] on vacation until June 23 Message-ID: so my email box doesn't explode i am setting my lists to no mail if you need to contact me please do so privately. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 16:32:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots References: <2d584d2b.9183d2bf.8236600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: Dunno what the handle of your screwdriver is like, but maybe you could drill a hole through it and then insert a dowel perpendicular to the handle to give you more turning leverage? My husband did some work with ring-dot drills while making an antler comb. His notes are on the following web page at the bottom of the page. The basic conclusion was that the ring-dot pattern is made from the beginning of a drill hole-- you just don't drill as far. Modern spade bits will produce the same pattern. http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/olafvanta/Dirk/comb/combstruction.htm --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: BXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKB To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots > Looking through Halvgrimr's pages > > http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ > 93.jpg > > has inspired me to ask: Does anyone know of a period > implement or method, conjecturally period implement or > method, or even a modern way to mass-produce these ubiquitous > circle-and-dot motifs? (Some other way than wood-burning, I > might add.) The best I've done is to file a screwdriver into > an inverted U, which works but is hell on my hands. > > BTW, I have an interesting story regarding these. I sent a > similar query to a specialty tool and bit company, hoping I > might find something modern to do the trick, and included a > different picture of some 11c dice. The guy I corresponded > with didn't read my message carefully and thought that they > were of modern manufacture. He allowed as how they could only > be done with some sophisticated manufacturing process and > tools. He was quite amazed and impressed when I pointed out > that they had been made 1000 years ago with hand tools. > > -- Signy > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 16:36:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:36:39 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Message-ID: <007601c32f66$16481be0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C32F6E.77C96060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's (sorry, can't do the funny 'o') = interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, the man with the knife = or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on the right hand = side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only refers us to = a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. I = would be fascinated to know! Cheers, Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C32F6E.77C96060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's = (sorry, can't=20 do the funny 'o') interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, the = man with=20 the knife or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on the = right hand=20 side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only refers us to = a=20 lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. I = would be=20 fascinated to know!
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C32F6E.77C96060-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 16:41:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:41:33 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F66.C4D8ECF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think i have that article Hazel ('Osebergdronningen') let me find it for you =20 Halvgrimr =20 -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Uzzell [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:37 AM To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Hi all, Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's (sorry, can't do the funny 'o') = interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, the man with the knife = or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on the right hand = side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only refers us to = a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. I = would be fascinated to know! Cheers, Hazel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F66.C4D8ECF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
let me=20 find it for you
 
Halvgrimr
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Hazel Uzzell=20 [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003=20 10:37 AM
To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group
Subject: = [Regia-NA]=20 Oseberg wagon carvings

Hi all,
Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's = (sorry, can't=20 do the funny 'o') interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, = the man=20 with the knife or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on = the right=20 hand side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only = refers us to=20 a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. = I would=20 be fascinated to know!
Cheers,
Hazel
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F66.C4D8ECF0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 16:58:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:58:43 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F69.2B22B186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Uzzell [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:37 AM To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Hi all, Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's (sorry, can't do the funny 'o') = interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, the man with the knife = or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on the right hand = side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only refers us to = a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. I = would be fascinated to know! Cheers, Hazel=20 =20 =20 --i don't have it listed on my list of gathered articles (see it here = http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/pubs_i_have.doc) but man that title rings a bell, and i can ember line drawings of each = of the heads on the cart, and i remember the name A.W.Brogge, so i must = have it i just may not have it at work let me see if i have it at home and get back to you=20 =20 Halvgrimr =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F69.2B22B186 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From: Hazel Uzzell=20 [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003=20 10:37 AM
To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group
Subject: = [Regia-NA]=20 Oseberg wagon carvings

Hi all,
Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's = (sorry, can't=20 do the funny 'o') interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, = the man=20 with the knife or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on = the right=20 hand side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only = refers us to=20 a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. = I would=20 be fascinated to know!
Cheers,
Hazel 
 
 
--i don't have it listed on my list of gathered = articles (see it=20 here http://www.misso= uri.edu/~rls555/pubs_i_have.doc)
but man that title rings a bell, and i can = ember line=20 drawings of each of the heads on the cart, and i remember the name = A.W.Brogge, so i must have=20 it
i just may not have it at=20 work
let me see if i have it at home and get = back to=20 you 
 
Halvgrimr
 
= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32F69.2B22B186-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 17:21:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:21:20 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings References: Message-ID: <008c01c32f6c$53cca5c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C32F74.B5571200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Simon, Thanks very much for your time. Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C32F74.B5571200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Simon, Thanks very much for your=20 time.
Hazel
= ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C32F74.B5571200-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 18:50:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:50:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings References: Message-ID: <009801c32f78$d2419440$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C32F81.334432E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simon! What am I talking about ?? That should be Robert! Hazel (the perminantly confused!) ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C32F81.334432E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Simon! What am I talking = about ?? That=20 should be Robert!
Hazel (the perminantly=20 confused!)
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C32F81.334432E0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 19:53:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID: Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the direction of a good working reference to a documentable Saxon tunic/trousers. I have made a set that visually resembles those on the Regia site but I'm looking for something that can guide me a little better in the details. I've seen reference to books running by lately but I have not been able to procure any of them. I'm lazy enough to buy a pattern if it's developed by a reliable source. Your references for fabric have been invaluable. I have noticed some illuminations that show laborers in some sort of an undergarment or short trousers. Is that what it is or is that a slave garb? From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 20:59:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:59:20 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002601c32f1d$494dd320$9b837ad5@m1w9d8> <004b01c32f21$6034b8c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <004101c32f8a$c899a290$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C32F50.1BE9C460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too kewl. Where did they get the little bugs? Jennifer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hazel Uzzell=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] mustard plants >I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week,=20 Re-'kermes' A piece of useless info.... Quite a few of the textiles from Scandinavia which were tested turned = out to be dyed with 'Polish Cochineal' Cheers Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C32F50.1BE9C460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Too kewl. Where did they get the little = bugs? =20 Jennifer
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hazel Uzzell
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 = 12:24=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] mustard = plants

>I have had the most wonderful = pink from=20 kermes this week,
 
Re-'kermes'  A piece of useless=20 info....
 
Quite a few of the textiles from = Scandinavia=20 which were tested turned out to be dyed with 'Polish = Cochineal'
Cheers
Hazel
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C32F50.1BE9C460-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 21:19:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:19:47 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants In-Reply-To: <002601c32f1d$494dd320$9b837ad5@m1w9d8> References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week, Where did you get kermes?!?!? Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 21:44:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Mark Patchett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:44:45 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic References: Message-ID: <3EE6433D.3887AD97@sybase.com> Hi Wulfhere, Have a look here -- there's an article that my wife wrote which is a good introduction: http://www.regia.ca/conquest_era_clothing.htm Feel free to contact her at: aedwen@regia.ca if you have any questions. -Edward of Wynmerestow ( Ontario, Canada ) PS: I'm guessing that the short pants/undergament would be a set of braies - which are basically just that - a pair of loose, approximately knee length "shorts", worn with hose or as an undergarment. Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the direction of a good > working reference to a documentable Saxon tunic/trousers. I have made a > set that visually resembles those on the Regia site but I'm looking for > something that can guide me a little better in the details. I've seen > reference to books running by lately but I have not been able to > procure any of them. I'm lazy enough to buy a pattern if it's developed > by a reliable source. Your references for fabric have been invaluable. > I have noticed some illuminations that show laborers in some sort of > an undergarment or short trousers. Is that what it is or is that a > slave garb? From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 22:02:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:02:55 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> > >I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week, > > Where did you get kermes?!?!? > I was waiting for that.... Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 22:49:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:49:39 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200306102140.h5ALesAO006180@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_2019528=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take=20the=20appropriate=20size=20drill=20but=20and=20cut=20into=20the=20f= ace=20leaving=20the=20two=20edges=20and=20a=20centre=20pin. This=20gives=20you=20the=20two=20circles=20that=20you=20want,=20best=20to=20= use=20a=20dremel=20on=20a=20small=20drill=20bit=20=20sort=20of=20like=20-^= -^- The=20three=20pints=20will=20give=20you=20the=20two=20cuts.=20Nice=20and=20= even=20looking. Hope=20that=20helps=20 Sandy On=20Tue,=2010=20Jun=202003=2011:32:57=20-0400,=20crmayhew@hotmail.com=20w= rote: >Dunno=20what=20the=20handle=20of=20your=20screwdriver=20is=20like,=20but=20= maybe=20you=20could=20drill >a=20hole=20through=20it=20and=20then=20insert=20a=20dowel=20perpendicular= =20to=20the=20handle=20to >give=20you=20more=20turning=20leverage? >My=20husband=20did=20some=20work=20with=20ring-dot=20drills=20while=20mak= ing=20an=20antler=20comb. >His=20notes=20are=20on=20the=20following=20web=20page=20at=20the=20bottom= =20of=20the=20page. >The=20basic=20conclusion=20was=20that=20the=20ring-dot=20pattern=20is=20m= ade=20from=20the >beginning=20of=20a=20drill=20hole-- >you=20just=20don't=20drill=20as=20far.=20=20Modern=20spade=20bits=20will=20= produce=20the=20same >pattern. >http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/olafvanta/Dirk/comb/combstruction.htm >--charlotte=20mayhew >-----=20Original=20Message=20----- >Wrom:=20BXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKB >To:=20 >Sent:=20Monday,=20June=2009,=202003=208:39=20PM >Subject:=20[Regia-NA]=20Circles=20and=20dots >>=20Looking=20through=20Halvgrimr's=20pages >> >>=20http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ >>=2093.jpg >> >>=20has=20inspired=20me=20to=20ask:=20=20Does=20anyone=20know=20of=20a=20= period >>=20implement=20or=20method,=20conjecturally=20period=20implement=20or >>=20method,=20or=20even=20a=20modern=20way=20to=20mass-produce=20these=20= ubiquitous >>=20circle-and-dot=20motifs?=20(Some=20other=20way=20than=20wood-burning,= =20I >>=20might=20add.)=20The=20best=20I've=20done=20is=20to=20file=20a=20screw= driver=20into >>=20an=20inverted=20U,=20which=20works=20but=20is=20hell=20on=20my=20hand= s. >> >>=20BTW,=20I=20have=20an=20interesting=20story=20regarding=20these.=20=20= I=20sent=20a >>=20similar=20query=20to=20a=20specialty=20tool=20and=20bit=20company,=20= hoping=20I >>=20might=20find=20something=20modern=20to=20do=20the=20trick,=20and=20in= cluded=20a >>=20different=20picture=20of=20some=2011c=20dice.=20=20The=20guy=20I=20co= rresponded >>=20with=20didn't=20read=20my=20message=20carefully=20and=20thought=20tha= t=20they >>=20were=20of=20modern=20manufacture.=20He=20allowed=20as=20how=20they=20= could=20only >>=20be=20done=20with=20some=20sophisticated=20manufacturing=20process=20a= nd >>=20tools.=20=20He=20was=20quite=20amazed=20and=20impressed=20when=20I=20= pointed=20out >>=20that=20they=20had=20been=20made=201000=20years=20ago=20with=20hand=20= tools. >> >>=20--=20Signy >> >>=20_______________________________________________ >>=20list-regia-na=20mailing=20list >>=20list-regia-na@lig.net >>=20http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na=20mailing=20list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_2019528=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take=20the=20appropriate=20size=20d= rill=20but=20and=20cut=20into=20the=20face=20leaving=20the=20two=20edges=20= and=20a=20centre=20pin.
This=20gives=20you=20the=20two=20circles=20that=20you=20want,=20best=20to=20= use=20a=20dremel=20on=20a=20small=20drill=20bit=20=20sort=20of=20like=20-^= -^-
The=20three=20pints=20will=20give=20you=20the=20two=20cuts.=20Nice=20and=20= even=20looking.
Hope=20that=20helps=20
Sandy

On=20Tue,=2010=20Jun=202003=2011:32:57=20-0400,=20<= U>crmayhew@hotmail.com
i=20 think i have that article Hazel ('Osebergdronningen')
=20wr= ote:

>Dunno=20what=20the=20handle=20of=20your=20screwdriver=20is=20like,=20b= ut=20maybe=20you=20could=20drill
>a=20hole=20through=20it=20and=20then=20insert=20a=20dowel=20perpendicu= lar=20to=20the=20handle=20to
>give=20you=20more=20turning=20leverage?
>
>My=20husband=20did=20some=20work=20with=20ring-dot=20drills=20while=20= making=20an=20antler=20comb.
>His=20notes=20are=20on=20the=20following=20web=20page=20at=20the=20bot= tom=20of=20the=20page.
>
>The=20basic=20conclusion=20was=20that=20the=20ring-dot=20pattern=20is=20= made=20from=20the
>beginning=20of=20a=20drill=20hole--
>you=20just=20don't=20drill=20as=20far.=20=20Modern=20spade=20bits=20wi= ll=20produce=20the=20same
>pattern.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/olafvanta/Dirk/= comb/combstruction.htm
>
>
>--charlotte=20mayhew
>
>
>
>-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
>Wrom:=20BXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKB
>To:=20<list-regia-na@lig.net>
>Sent:=20Monday,=20June=2009,=202003=208:39=20PM
>Subject:=20[Regia-NA]=20Circles=20and=20dots
>
>
>>=20Looking=20through=20Halvgrimr's=20pages
>>
>>=20http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/arc= hives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ >>=2093.jpg
>>
>>=20has=20inspired=20me=20to=20ask:=20=20Does=20anyone=20know=20of=20= a=20period
>>=20implement=20or=20method,=20conjecturally=20period=20implement=20= or
>>=20method,=20or=20even=20a=20modern=20way=20to=20mass-produce=20th= ese=20ubiquitous
>>=20circle-and-dot=20motifs?=20(Some=20other=20way=20than=20wood-bu= rning,=20I
>>=20might=20add.)=20The=20best=20I've=20done=20is=20to=20file=20a=20= screwdriver=20into
>>=20an=20inverted=20U,=20which=20works=20but=20is=20hell=20on=20my=20= hands.
>>
>>=20BTW,=20I=20have=20an=20interesting=20story=20regarding=20these.= =20=20I=20sent=20a
>>=20similar=20query=20to=20a=20specialty=20tool=20and=20bit=20compa= ny,=20hoping=20I
>>=20might=20find=20something=20modern=20to=20do=20the=20trick,=20an= d=20included=20a
>>=20different=20picture=20of=20some=2011c=20dice.=20=20The=20guy=20= I=20corresponded
>>=20with=20didn't=20read=20my=20message=20carefully=20and=20thought= =20that=20they
>>=20were=20of=20modern=20manufacture.=20He=20allowed=20as=20how=20t= hey=20could=20only
>>=20be=20done=20with=20some=20sophisticated=20manufacturing=20proce= ss=20and
>>=20tools.=20=20He=20was=20quite=20amazed=20and=20impressed=20when=20= I=20pointed=20out
>>=20that=20they=20had=20been=20made=201000=20years=20ago=20with=20h= and=20tools.
>>
>>=20--=20Signy
>>
>>=20_______________________________________________
>>=20list-regia-na=20mailing=20list
>>=20list-regia-na@lig.net
>>=20http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/l= ist-regia-na
>>
>_______________________________________________
>list-regia-na=20mailing=20list
>list-regia-na@lig.net
>http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-reg= ia-na
>

Fr=F6jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_2019528=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 10 23:56:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:56:08 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <003201c32fa3$7d2bc0e0$b2bb7ad5@m1w9d8> I know I shouldn't but I get Cochaneal insects (whole) and grind them myself. Kermes now being a protected species from what I can find and the colours being very similar..Hazel, wait until you see the pink I got today. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] mustard plants > > >I have had the most wonderful pink from kermes this week, > > > > Where did you get kermes?!?!? > > > I was waiting for that.... > Hazel > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 01:23:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <003201c32fa3$7d2bc0e0$b2bb7ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <005401c32faf$b2d79140$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Aren't cochineal bugs the ones which infest cacti? Or are those the kermes? Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 03:13:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:13:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants In-Reply-To: <003201c32fa3$7d2bc0e0$b2bb7ad5@m1w9d8> References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030610215043.03301c60@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >I know I shouldn't but I get Cochaneal insects (whole) and grind them >myself. >Kermes now being a protected species from what I can find and the colours >being very similar.. Okay, so you're using Dactylopius coccus Costa (New World cochineal), and not Kermes vermilio Planchon (kermes), Porphyrophora polonica L. (Polish cochineal), Porphyrophora hameli Brandt (Armenian cochineal), or Kerria lacca Kerr (lac). As I understand the literature, cochineal colorants are related to those of kermes, whereas the colorants in the porphyrophoras (the medieval "greyne" dyes) are alike but yield different shades from cochineal or kermes. I get purplish-reds and fuchsias from cochineal over alum and tartar on wool, and clearer reds over just alum on wool. But on silk all I ever get is old-rose: very disappointing. Sometimes I think I'm just destined to be a wool dyer, not a silk dyer. ;> Sure would like to get ahold of some real kermes, though! Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 05:39:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] MEDIEVAL JOUSTING ARMOR STAINLESS COSTUME NR Message-ID: Is this legit? I hope it's not stolen. Pass on info to anyone who may be missing armour just for safety's sake. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612543489&category=310 Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 05:56:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:56:25 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] MEDIEVAL JOUSTING ARMOR STAINLESS COSTUME NR References: Message-ID: <0b9401c32fd5$d0b63f10$1c06b1d8@olaf> The seller is in FL, some one is passing the info to the SCA e-list in FL. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > Is this legit? I hope it's not stolen. Pass on info to anyone who may be > missing armour just for safety's sake. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612543489&category=310 > > Soffya Appollonia Tudja From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 07:58:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:58:26 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] mustard plants References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610215043.03301c60@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <003701c32fe6$dc0e15c0$8b707ad5@m1w9d8> If you ever do get hold of it I would dy(e):) to see the results. I have had some wonderful shades this week. With silk...do you add acid? when I was spinning and dyeing silk caps I remember alsways having to add an acid to get it to dye properly. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] mustard plants > Vara wrote: > > >I know I shouldn't but I get Cochaneal insects (whole) and grind them > >myself. > >Kermes now being a protected species from what I can find and the colours > >being very similar.. > > Okay, so you're using Dactylopius coccus Costa (New World cochineal), and > not Kermes vermilio Planchon (kermes), Porphyrophora polonica L. (Polish > cochineal), Porphyrophora hameli Brandt (Armenian cochineal), or Kerria > lacca Kerr (lac). As I understand the literature, cochineal colorants are > related to those of kermes, whereas the colorants in the porphyrophoras > (the medieval "greyne" dyes) are alike but yield different shades from > cochineal or kermes. > > I get purplish-reds and fuchsias from cochineal over alum and tartar on > wool, and clearer reds over just alum on wool. But on silk all I ever get > is old-rose: very disappointing. Sometimes I think I'm just destined to > be a wool dyer, not a silk dyer. ;> > > Sure would like to get ahold of some real kermes, though! > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 11:24:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:24:17 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID: >From: Mark Patchett >>Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: >> Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the direction of a good >>working reference to a documentable Saxon tunic/trousers. >Hi Wulfhere, >Have a look here -- there's an article that my wife wrote which is a good >introduction: > > http://www.regia.ca/conquest_era_clothing.htm > Nice article, mate - I may nick it! A note on tunic lengths. If you make your tunic long enough to touch the ground when not belted, then by belting it you can raise it to ankle length. The way that you do this is by wearing the belt _underneath_ the tunic and then pushing the "waist" of the tunic through the belt. This actually creates "pouches" in the tunic itself, in which you can store huge amounts of stuff. The folds that are created in the tunic match those shown in most AS manuscripts. (Incedentally, this may explain why in most AS manuscripts you don't see any belts and pouches - they are all coverd by the tunic - cue art-style argument!) Of course, when not working in the fields, you can pull the fold out and create a "dress" that covers the whole of the body in cloth - as is shown in the occasional MS. Thus it is an efficent way of adding an extra layer to the legs in cloth terms - essentially you are adding twice the distance from your knee to your foot to the amount that you must weave, rather than the amount for a whole set of trousers. When making the arms, make the sleeves longer than you need to by the length of your hand plus a bit. When you wear them, have the sleeves pushed back to the wrists - creating a "rucked" effect on the forearm - as shown on pretty much every single AS manuscript. When cold, (or picking up hot cauldrons!) pull the sleeves over the hands to make simple gloves - another way of saving cloth and effort. Hope that this helps One day I'll dig the article wot I wrote out - Kim may even put it in Chronicle :-) Steve _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 13:07:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dyeing (was Re: mustard plants) In-Reply-To: <003701c32fe6$dc0e15c0$8b707ad5@m1w9d8> References: <000a01c32ed5$b1c49cb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610161914.0250d930@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00df01c32f93$aa412580$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030610215043.03301c60@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030611073453.01b3e520@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >With silk...do you add acid? when I was spinning and dyeing silk caps I >remember alsways having to add an acid to get it to dye properly. Hmmm. I use commercial yarns for silkwork. The last couple years I've been working with two basic silk yarns: a Chinese reeled silk that's almost cordlike (it would make lovely fringe and tassels!) and a fine Japanese degummed organzine for tablet weaving. I have never tried adding acid, though. Here's something I just finished for a friend. http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/image/mirabels-hlad.jpg It's madder and weld, the first big project I've finished with the organizine. The colors are fairly accurate to the original, unlike many digital photos: they even show where the madder got streaky because I was too faint-hearted to stir the tangly skein as much as I ought. But overall I was so pleased with how it worked up that I went out and bought a half pound more of the stuff--lots of tablet weaving in its future! So far it's given me good yellows, oranges, reds, blues, and greens, although I haven't tried it with the bugs yet. The Chinese takes the dye less well altogether, though, even though I extensively degummed it just in case. After a great deal of trouble I got one decent shade of medium woad blue, but all the other colors were pretty bland, even the weld which has otherwise *never* failed to be vivid on silk. *sigh* Maybe I should have left it white.... Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 14:33:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3301E.0119262A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hazel i am leaving on vacation for two weeks tonight and used most of last = night to pack as a result i forgot about promising to look for this info i apologize, my mind was focused on packing=20 =20 if there isn't a time issue i can look for it when i get back =20 again, i apologize =20 Simon;) (Robb) =20 -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Uzzell [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:37 AM To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group Subject: [Regia-NA] Oseberg wagon carvings Hi all, Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's (sorry, can't do the funny 'o') = interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, the man with the knife = or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on the right hand = side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only refers us to = a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. I = would be fascinated to know! Cheers, Hazel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3301E.0119262A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hazel
i am=20 leaving on vacation for two weeks tonight and used most of last night to = pack
as a=20 result i forgot about promising to look for this = info
i=20 apologize, my mind was focused on packing
 
if=20 there isn't a time issue i can look for it when i get = back
 
again,=20 i apologize
 
Simon;) (Robb)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Hazel Uzzell=20 [mailto:gythe@snrd.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003=20 10:37 AM
To: Regia NA; Regia E-Group
Subject: = [Regia-NA]=20 Oseberg wagon carvings

Hi all,
Does anyone know what A.W.Brogger's = (sorry, can't=20 do the funny 'o') interpretation of the figures of the mounted man, = the man=20 with the knife or sword and the woman holding his wrist is? It is on = the right=20 hand side of the Oseberg cart. Shetelig, in Osebergfundet 3 only = refers us to=20 a lecture given by Brogger in 1918, published as 'Osebergdronningen'. = I would=20 be fascinated to know!
Cheers,
Hazel
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3301E.0119262A-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 15:07:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Adam MacDonald) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:07:03 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots References: <2d584d2b.9183d2bf.8236600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <00b701c33022$ff3090a0$010578d8@computer> Avete, amicae! Here's another take on the dot-and-circle tool, from some Aussie reenactors: http://www.geocities.com/reenact721642/dice.htm M. Scithius Antiochus LEGIO~IX~HISP ( www.legio-ix-hispana.org ) From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 17:31:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:02 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID:
>Of course, when not working in the fields, you can pull the fold out
>and create a "dress" that covers the whole of the body in cloth - as
>is shown in the occasional MS. Thus it is an efficent way of adding
 
Then of course all the stuff you've been carrying falls onto the ground! Been there, done that. ;)

MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 20:23:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:23:49 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic References: Message-ID: <006101c3304e$fcbaf8c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Steve, Is there any evidence for ankle length tunics from Scandinavia, (I can't say that I've found any) or are we talking strictly Saxon? Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 15:30:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Linda Rice) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Dyeing (was Re: mustard plants) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030611073453.01b3e520@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <000101c33025$fa5b3370$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Carolyn, that's lovely! Can you tell us where you are getting your silk cord and threads from? Do they do mail order? Is this the same silk you dyed for Herveus to make Margret's rabbit bands with? I *really* liked that! Thanks bunches, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of Carolyn Priest-Dorman Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:07 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: [Regia-NA] Dyeing (was Re: mustard plants) Vara wrote: >With silk...do you add acid? when I was spinning and dyeing silk caps I >remember alsways having to add an acid to get it to dye properly. Hmmm. I use commercial yarns for silkwork. The last couple years I've=20 been working with two basic silk yarns: a Chinese reeled silk that's=20 almost cordlike (it would make lovely fringe and tassels!) and a fine=20 Japanese degummed organzine for tablet weaving. I have never tried adding=20 acid, though. Here's something I just finished for a friend. http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/image/mirabels-hlad.jpg It's madder and weld, the first big project I've finished with the=20 organizine. The colors are fairly accurate to the original, unlike many digital photos: they even show where the madder got streaky because I was=20 too faint-hearted to stir the tangly skein as much as I ought. But overall=20 I was so pleased with how it worked up that I went out and bought a half pound more of the stuff--lots of tablet weaving in its future! So far it's=20 given me good yellows, oranges, reds, blues, and greens, although I haven't=20 tried it with the bugs yet. The Chinese takes the dye less well altogether, though, even though I=20 extensively degummed it just in case. After a great deal of trouble I got=20 one decent shade of medium woad blue, but all the other colors were pretty=20 bland, even the weld which has otherwise *never* failed to be vivid on=20 silk. *sigh* Maybe I should have left it white.... Carolyn Priest-Dorman =DE=F3ra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 17:14:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Linda Rice) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:14:01 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] OT-Interesting Study on Spam Message-ID: <000101c33034$7e2a4d40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Sorry for the off-topic nature of this, but it's good to keep up with these things. Ever wonder how so much spam ends up in your mailbox every day? Read on: http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml They also offer a couple of tips for cutting out the clutter. Pax, ::Linda:: From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 01:11:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery Message-ID: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3303C.89BB4B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would be = lovely. Yrs, =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3303C.89BB4B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Needing sources for Anglo Saxon = embroidery, 9th=20 C.  Pictures would be lovely. <G>  Yrs, = =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
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Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3303C.89BB4B70-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 11 23:27:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology Message-ID: <3EE7ACB7.1040609@bellsouth.net> Happened to see these excellent books (I have one myself) cheaply while doing an archaeological search. Magnus Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo and Other Discoveries NY , 1964, - hardback, small, thick 4to, well illustrated, pen marks at for edge, else v.g.+ in jacket - Europeananthropology/archaeology Item Number: ZB52772 This selection has 1 volume. $14.00 Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo and Other Discoveries NY: Harper`s Magazine Press , 1964 - 1st American ed., cloth, pen marks to fore edge, else v.g. in v.g. d/j - anthropology archaeology Item Number: ZB271803 This selection has 1 volume. $14.00 © 1998-2000 John T. Zubal, Inc. info@zubal.com http://www.zubal.com/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 11:11:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:11:19 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID: >Hi Steve, >Is there any evidence for ankle length tunics from Scandinavia, (I can't >say >that I've found any) or are we talking strictly Saxon? Hi, Hazel Glad you said Scandanavia, because there is enough art stuff from Ireland to point to the length of the tunic (leine) being quite long. Yourself (and Carorlyn, and Guthrum) will know the archeological evidence better than I - Is tunic length worked from whole surviving tunics, or just fragments? Checking on http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/mensgarb.html I find a tunic from Birka that had tablet weave strips from shoulder to mid calf - which would be pretty long, although not really long enough for knee length with full rucks. A tunic that length comes up to mid thigh when rucked. Looking at the art evidence - well, Gotland has the largest (and earliest) corpus, all in stone, without an awful lot of detail. IIRC, tunic length varies from knee to mid calf - A similar variation is shown on the Harley Psalter and other AS MS which show rucked tunics. Someone check my brain on the Oseberg carvings - I seem to remember them as knee length as well >From later, well, you have the mamen Christ, who is wearing a knee length tunic (the pattern on it reminds me forcibly of the tunic that Harold Godwinson is shown wearing on the BT). A C11th figure of Sigurd is shown with legs all the way up to the crotch (if you understand me!), reminding me of one of the Isle of Man crosses - that may represent a tunic tucked in to trousers, a split tunic, an artistic convention (he has hip sprials, for pity's sake!), or the fact that the tunic was painted on over him (not my favorite theory) So, basically the art evidence tells us (or at least me!) very little. It must be remembered that most of the AS evidence shows us knee length tunics with rucks, and that pictures tunics at floor length are comparativly rare. Also, I'm struggling to think of pictures of vikings wearing cloaks (although I'm sure someome in email land will be able to spot one!). Note that this doesn't mean that they didn't wear cloaks - these have been found. However, a piece of practical (albeit inadvertent) archeology performed by Jane Smithers might give us a clue. While attempting to leave a longship wearing a dress, Jane got her feet caught in a fold, and gave herself a nasty knock - of the "take her to hospital" type. I would say that a few of those sort of things might convince Scandanavians that long tunics were perhaps not so clever on boats, and that knee lenghth/calf length tunics were the way to go. So the simple answer to the question is "there is no direct evidence". However, I suspect that for settled vikings full length tunics would have been worn. Let's face it, if you're supressing the local populace, you might as well nick their best clothing :-)) Steve _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 17:46:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:46:17 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID:

 

Steve said:

>enough for knee length with full rucks. A tunic that length comes

>up to mid thigh when rucked.
 
Sorry, but what's a ruck and where can I get one? ;) I think this may be a translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack with a reputation for being quite heavy when full. That's not what you were talking about was it???

Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 17:55:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:55:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic References: Message-ID: <00a601c33103$77a28b70$85551e3e@kim1> Hi Douglas, How's the Bay? Ruck, A fold in the cloth. Imagine a sleeve that extends beyond your stretched out fingers. Push it up onto the forearm and secure it at the wrist with a thin silver bracelet etc. The cloth will be "rucked up". Regards, Kim Siddorn. "When three or more are involved, the culprit will frequently escape punishment" Laws of Hammurabi, 1780BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Sunlin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic > > > Steve said: > > >enough for knee length with full rucks. A tunic that length comes > > >up to mid thigh when rucked. > > Sorry, but what's a ruck and where can I get one? ;) I think this may be a translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack with a reputation for being quite heavy when full. That's not what you were talking about was it??? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 18:34:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID:

Kim wrote:

>Hi Douglas,

>How's the Bay?
 
I wouldn't know; haven't been swimming. ;D
Seriously, just getting ready for the multiperiod event at Fort MacArthur.
 
Douglas/Oswald

The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 19:25:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:25:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology In-Reply-To: <3EE7ACB7.1040609@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <2F067BFD-9D03-11D7-832D-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Magnus; Sorry, I can't put this in perspective. Is that E-Bay, Walmart or=20 Amozon or just the author and title information with incidental data? On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:27 PM, rmhowe wrote: > Happened to see these excellent books (I have one myself) > cheaply while doing an archaeological search. > > Magnus > > Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo=20= > and Other Discoveries > NY , 1964, - hardback, small, thick 4to, well illustrated, pen marks=20= > at for edge, else v.g.+ in jacket - Europeananthropology/archaeology > Item Number: ZB52772 > This selection has 1 volume. > $14.00 > > Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo=20= > and Other Discoveries > NY: Harper`s Magazine Press , 1964 - 1st American ed., cloth, pen=20 > marks to fore edge, else v.g. in v.g. d/j - anthropology archaeology > Item Number: ZB271803 > This selection has 1 volume. > $14.00 > > > =A9 1998-2000 John T. Zubal, Inc. > info@zubal.com http://www.zubal.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 20:25:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:25:02 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question Message-ID: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C330DD.A59A89E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our local = group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, as = well as kitchen gardens. Is there anyone out there who could help her out? HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . I do so appreciate it! =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C330DD.A59A89E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, everyone.  My daughter in law = - a MAJOR=20 force in getting our local group together - would like to get more info = on herbs=20 & medicine, as well as kitchen gardens.
Is there anyone out there who could = help her=20 out?
HER address is:  mom6882@yahoo.com .  I do so = appreciate=20 it!  =C6lfgifu

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C330DD.A59A89E0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 20:46:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:46:29 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <004701c3311b$524c0e60$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C33123.B33DE420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how about a talk from Jan Messent..bayeux tapestry embroiderers story. here (in the uk) in october regards vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:11 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would be = lovely. Yrs, =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C33123.B33DE420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
how about a talk from Jan = Messent..bayeux tapestry=20 embroiderers story.
here (in the uk)
in october
regards
vara
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 1:11=20 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

Needing sources for Anglo Saxon = embroidery, 9th=20 C.  Pictures would be lovely. <G>  Yrs, = =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C33123.B33DE420-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 20:47:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:47:59 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <005001c3311b$895c2020$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C33123.E93225A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leechcraft by Steven Pollington isbn 9781898281238 regards vara PS I am hoping to get him to do a lecture for us next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our local = group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, as = well as kitchen gardens. Is there anyone out there who could help her out? HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . I do so appreciate it! = =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C33123.E93225A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Leechcraft
by Steven Pollington
isbn
9781898281238
regards
vara
PS I am hoping to get him to do a = lecture for us=20 next year
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 8:25=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Hi, everyone.  My daughter in = law - a MAJOR=20 force in getting our local group together - would like to get more = info on=20 herbs & medicine, as well as kitchen gardens.
Is there anyone out there who could = help her=20 out?
HER address is:  mom6882@yahoo.com .  I do = so=20 appreciate it!  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C33123.E93225A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 21:47:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:47:17 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004701c3311b$524c0e60$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <002a01c33123$cfd84760$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C330E9.231A1150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, my. Where is my broom??? I'd love to come, but the commute is a = bit much. Anything you can find out would be most appreciated. :>) =C6lfgifu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hrolf Douglasson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery how about a talk from Jan Messent..bayeux tapestry embroiderers story. here (in the uk) in october regards vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:11 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would = be lovely. Yrs, =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C330E9.231A1150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, my.  Where is my = broom???  I'd love=20 to come, but the commute is a bit much. <G>
Anything you can find out would be most = appreciated. :>)  =C6lfgifu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hrolf=20 Douglasson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 12:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

how about a talk from Jan = Messent..bayeux=20 tapestry embroiderers story.
here (in the uk)
in october
regards
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 1:11=20 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

Needing sources for Anglo Saxon = embroidery, 9th=20 C.  Pictures would be lovely. <G>  Yrs, = =C6lfgifu

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C330E9.231A1150-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 21:48:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <005001c3311b$895c2020$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <003601c33123$fe8d10e0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C330E9.51A64430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, that one is coming next month. It is flying to me from Martin, who = will attach it to a pigeon & fly it over the border. I wonder if Steve would like to come to NV & carouse in the casinos? = Then, in his OFF time, he could give us a lecture or two. = =C6lfgifu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hrolf Douglasson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Leechcraft by Steven Pollington isbn 9781898281238 regards vara PS I am hoping to get him to do a lecture for us next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our = local group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, = as well as kitchen gardens. Is there anyone out there who could help her out? HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . I do so appreciate it! = =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C330E9.51A64430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that one is coming next = month.  It is=20 flying to me from Martin, who will attach it to a pigeon & fly it = over the=20 border. <G>
I wonder if Steve would like to come to = NV &=20 carouse in the casinos?  Then, in his OFF time, he could give us a = lecture=20 or two.  <G>  =C6lfgifu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hrolf=20 Douglasson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 12:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Leechcraft
by Steven Pollington
isbn
9781898281238
regards
vara
PS I am hoping to get him to do a = lecture for us=20 next year
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 8:25=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Hi, everyone.  My daughter in = law - a=20 MAJOR force in getting our local group together - would like to get = more=20 info on herbs & medicine, as well as kitchen = gardens.
Is there anyone out there who could = help her=20 out?
HER address is:  mom6882@yahoo.com .  I do = so=20 appreciate it!  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C330E9.51A64430-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 22:30:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Dmitriy V. Ryaboy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:30:37 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] (A bit OT) Rus clothing Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Sorry for the offtopic post, but I figured folks on this list are most likely to have the info at hand. What clothing artefacts survive from Russia/Ukraine for 9th-11th centuries? Do you know of any published works? (Russian is fine). Anything that's been published regarding Norse influence on Rus clothing? -Dmitriy _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 22:32:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:32:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004701c3311b$524c0e60$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> <002a01c33123$cfd84760$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <001701c3312a$2e3c5840$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C33132.8EB29560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable get the book it has lots of detail in it. then look at the stuff from the cathederals. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery Oh, my. Where is my broom??? I'd love to come, but the commute is a = bit much. Anything you can find out would be most appreciated. :>) =C6lfgifu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hrolf Douglasson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery how about a talk from Jan Messent..bayeux tapestry embroiderers = story. here (in the uk) in october regards vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:11 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would = be lovely. Yrs, =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C33132.8EB29560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
get the book it has lots of detail in=20 it.
then look at the stuff from the=20 cathederals.
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 9:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

Oh, my.  Where is my = broom???  I'd love=20 to come, but the commute is a bit much. <G>
Anything you can find out would be = most=20 appreciated. :>)  =C6lfgifu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hrolf=20 Douglasson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 12:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA]=20 embroidery

how about a talk from Jan = Messent..bayeux=20 tapestry embroiderers story.
here (in the uk)
in october
regards
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, = 2003 1:11=20 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

Needing sources for Anglo Saxon = embroidery,=20 9th C.  Pictures would be lovely. <G>  Yrs,=20 =C6lfgifu

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 = hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C33132.8EB29560-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 22:46:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:46:06 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <00c801c3312c$07778020$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C33134.6901EC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jennifer, Not too much known about Anglo- Saxon secular enbroidery, from any = period! Mostly very small scraps of vine scroll type stuff, done in stem stitch. Some interesting interpretations were made for the exhibition at Sutton = Hoo. If memory serves, they were done in geometric shapes, in a sort of = brick stitch. But even this is disputed by some experts. A piece of textile was found at Llanghorst in Wales, from the 10th = century. This may have been done in counted thread stitch and was again, = vine scroll with bunches of grapes and peacocks. Other experts say that = the design was a woven one and not embroidered....the jury is still out! Church embroidery is another matter, and we have more examples, but I = don't know if that is what you are after. Cheers, Hazel. PS If you are going to put embroidery onto a garment. Embroider a = separate strip of cloth and sew it onto the garment. That way, when the = garment is worn out, you can put the embroidery onto the new = one....precious stuff, embroidery. It would have taken time and = expensive materials! ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C33134.6901EC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jennifer,
Not too much known about Anglo- Saxon = secular=20 enbroidery, from any period!
Mostly very small scraps of vine scroll = type stuff,=20 done in stem stitch.
Some interesting interpretations were = made for the=20 exhibition at Sutton Hoo. If memory serves, they were done in geometric = shapes,=20 in a sort of brick stitch. But even this is disputed by some=20 experts.
A piece of textile was found at = Llanghorst in=20 Wales, from the 10th century. This may have been done in counted thread = stitch=20 and was again, vine scroll with bunches of grapes and peacocks. Other = experts=20 say that the design was a woven one and not embroidered....the jury is = still=20 out!
Church embroidery is another matter, = and we have=20 more examples, but I don't know if that is what you are = after.
Cheers,
Hazel.
PS If you are going to put embroidery = onto a=20 garment. Embroider a separate strip of cloth and sew it onto the = garment. That=20 way, when the garment is worn out, you can put the embroidery onto the = new=20 one....precious stuff, embroidery. It would have taken time and = expensive=20 materials!
------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C33134.6901EC60-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 12 23:41:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:41:59 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic Message-ID: <109.2494e601.2c1a5bb7@aol.com> --part1_109.2494e601.2c1a5bb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/12/2003 5:47:03 PM GMT Daylight Time, dsunlin@hotmail.com writes: > translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack with a > reputation for being quite heavy when full. Over here it can also be a human pile-up in a rugby match - as well as a fold or crease in cloth. Aly "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" GK Chesterton --part1_109.2494e601.2c1a5bb7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/12/2003 5:47:03 PM GMT Da= ylight Time, dsunlin@hotmail.com writes:


translation problem; a "ruc= k" over here is a military backpack with a reputation for being quite heavy=20= when full.


Over here it can also be a human pile-up in a rugby match - as well as a= fold or crease in cloth.

Aly

"Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly"=20
GK Chesterton --part1_109.2494e601.2c1a5bb7_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 03:45:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:45:25 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <00c801c3312c$07778020$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000f01c33155$d8235040$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3311B.2B605F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find it fascinating to see the incredible knotwork & illumination = during this period... in Scandinavia, Ireland, Wales, England... why = isn't this stuff on the clothing? Jennifer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hazel Uzzell=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery Hi Jennifer, Not too much known about Anglo- Saxon secular enbroidery, from any = period! Mostly very small scraps of vine scroll type stuff, done in stem = stitch. Some interesting interpretations were made for the exhibition at = Sutton Hoo. If memory serves, they were done in geometric shapes, in a = sort of brick stitch. But even this is disputed by some experts. A piece of textile was found at Llanghorst in Wales, from the 10th = century. This may have been done in counted thread stitch and was again, = vine scroll with bunches of grapes and peacocks. Other experts say that = the design was a woven one and not embroidered....the jury is still out! Church embroidery is another matter, and we have more examples, but I = don't know if that is what you are after. Cheers, Hazel. PS If you are going to put embroidery onto a garment. Embroider a = separate strip of cloth and sew it onto the garment. That way, when the = garment is worn out, you can put the embroidery onto the new = one....precious stuff, embroidery. It would have taken time and = expensive materials! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3311B.2B605F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find it fascinating to see the = incredible=20 knotwork & illumination during this period... in Scandinavia, = Ireland,=20 Wales, England...  why isn't this stuff on the clothing? =20 Jennifer
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hazel Uzzell
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 2:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = embroidery

Hi Jennifer,
Not too much known about Anglo- Saxon = secular=20 enbroidery, from any period!
Mostly very small scraps of vine = scroll type=20 stuff, done in stem stitch.
Some interesting interpretations were = made for=20 the exhibition at Sutton Hoo. If memory serves, they were done in = geometric=20 shapes, in a sort of brick stitch. But even this is disputed by some=20 experts.
A piece of textile was found at = Llanghorst in=20 Wales, from the 10th century. This may have been done in counted = thread stitch=20 and was again, vine scroll with bunches of grapes and peacocks. Other = experts=20 say that the design was a woven one and not embroidered....the jury is = still=20 out!
Church embroidery is another matter, = and we have=20 more examples, but I don't know if that is what you are = after.
Cheers,
Hazel.
PS If you are going to put embroidery = onto a=20 garment. Embroider a separate strip of cloth and sew it onto the = garment. That=20 way, when the garment is worn out, you can put the embroidery onto the = new=20 one....precious stuff, embroidery. It would have taken time and = expensive=20 materials!
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3311B.2B605F40-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 04:59:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:59:05 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <005001c3311b$895c2020$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> <003601c33123$fe8d10e0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <006e01c33160$2294bba0$9a00a8c0@field2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3313E.9B491FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jennifer I'll make sure the pigeon is fed extra millet for the long haul flight - = besides Leechcraft weighs in at 2lbs and 15 ozs. Martin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Yes, that one is coming next month. It is flying to me from Martin, = who will attach it to a pigeon & fly it over the border. I wonder if Steve would like to come to NV & carouse in the casinos? = Then, in his OFF time, he could give us a lecture or two. = =C6lfgifu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hrolf Douglasson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Leechcraft by Steven Pollington isbn 9781898281238 regards vara PS I am hoping to get him to do a lecture for us next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our = local group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, = as well as kitchen gardens. Is there anyone out there who could help her out? HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . I do so appreciate it! = =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3313E.9B491FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jennifer
I'll make sure the pigeon is fed extra = millet for=20 the long haul flight - besides Leechcraft weighs in at 2lbs and 15=20 ozs.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Yes, that one is coming next = month.  It is=20 flying to me from Martin, who will attach it to a pigeon & fly it = over the=20 border. <G>
I wonder if Steve would like to come = to NV &=20 carouse in the casinos?  Then, in his OFF time, he could give us = a=20 lecture or two.  <G>  =C6lfgifu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hrolf=20 Douglasson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 12:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = another list=20 question

Leechcraft
by Steven Pollington
isbn
9781898281238
regards
vara
PS I am hoping to get him to do a = lecture for=20 us next year
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 J Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, = 2003 8:25=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Hi, everyone.  My daughter = in law - a=20 MAJOR force in getting our local group together - would like to = get more=20 info on herbs & medicine, as well as kitchen = gardens.
Is there anyone out there who = could help her=20 out?
HER address is:  mom6882@yahoo.com .  I = do so=20 appreciate it!  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 = hal.
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3313E.9B491FE0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 07:30:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:30:12 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <001301c33077$368c9450$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <00c801c3312c$07778020$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <000f01c33155$d8235040$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <003a01c33175$3e845360$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3317D.A01660C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jill, No physical evidence! If you look at the Bayeaux Tapestry the designs = seem to be set into arcades and circles.(on the robes of Will and other = such dignitaries) This could, of course, not be embroidery at all, but a = representation of Byzantine silk appliqued onto the cloth. Strangely enough, the Oseberg embroideries are set in circles, with = animal figures in them, to me very reminiscent of the Trewhiddle style. = They are said to be influenced by A.S art styles. Must stop now and go to work! Cheers, Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3317D.A01660C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jill,
No physical evidence! If you look at = the Bayeaux=20 Tapestry the designs seem to be set into arcades and circles.(on the = robes of=20 Will and other such dignitaries) This could, of course, not be = embroidery=20 at all, but a representation of Byzantine silk appliqued onto the=20 cloth.
Strangely enough, the Oseberg = embroideries are set=20 in circles, with animal figures in them, to me very reminiscent of the=20 Trewhiddle style. They are said to be influenced by A.S art = styles.
Must stop now and go to = work!
Cheers,
Hazel
 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3317D.A01660C0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 09:44:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:44:42 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery Message-ID: >From: "J Hill" > >Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would be >lovely. Yrs, Ælfgifu > >Jennifer Hill >Ælfgifu >Wes ðu hal. >From: "Hazel Uzzell" >Hi Jill, >No physical evidence! If you look at the Bayeaux Tapestry the designs seem >to be set into arcades and circles.(on the robes of Will and other such >dignitaries) This could, of course, not be embroidery at all, but a >representation of Byzantine silk appliqued onto the cloth. >Strangely enough, the Oseberg embroideries are set in circles, with animal >figures in them, to me very reminiscent of the Trewhiddle style. They are >said to be influenced by A.S art styles. > To add to what hazel wrote.... There is again more evidence of embroidery/decoration on tunics in AS MSS (such as the "Goliath" picture, who also seems to use a cord/tie to close his tunic), as well as various pictures of kings, etc. These may be representations of byzantine woven silks. However, the Llan gors find seems to be a copy of a byzantine fabric done in an insular hand (yes, hazel, it is single stitch embroiderd much like the later "English work" style apparently) - all lions caught up in vine scrolls. So it would seem that byzantine patterns were in enough demand for there to be a thriving "counterfeit" market. Note that the method used in Llan gors is very different to that used in the BT and the Cuthbert stole (so I am informed - I only look at the pretty pictures!). This would seem to indicate two different schools of embroidery going on - although from the low level of finds from this period this may be an oversimplification. Llan gors was burnt down in 902 IIRC, so the embroidery is probably _just_ c9th. (Wether it is "english" or "welsh" is a matter of debate....) The Cuthbert stole is _just_ c10th (about 912 if memory serves - someone out there will have the book on it!). Do you want scans of these? I might have my "doing things" head on this weekend..... Steve _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 11:31:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:31:51 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_664b_4c54_53db Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Douglas Sunlin" > Sorry, but what's a ruck and where can I get one? ;) I think this may be a translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack with a reputation for being quite heavy when full. That's not what you were talking about was it??? > Ah bist, Ma Mon? If Yow caw tell wor Ah'm torkin abaht, orl Yow've gorra dow is spaek op. Ar'l gue ah bit slewer an lahder. What I meant to say was "when a calf-length tunic is passed through a belt worn underneath it in order to create a fold sufficient to be a useful carrying space, the length of the hem will come up to above the level of the knees" We have the word "rucksack" which seems to be equal to your word "ruck" I apologise for being transatlantically incomprehensible. However, once when asked to examine something owned by a member from Germany, I unthinkingly replied that I would "have a butchers" - which got met by a blank stare. I can't help it if I've got an east london Dad, a home counties Mum, and got brought up in the black country ;-) Steve P.S. For the uninitiated: Rhyming slang. 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Steve said:

>enough for knee length with full rucks. A tunic that length comes

>up to mid thigh when rucked.
 
Sorry, but what's a ruck and where can I get one? ;) I think this may be a translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack with a reputation for being quite heavy when full. That's not what you were talking about was it???

Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_NextPart_000_664b_4c54_53db-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 11:50:51 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Joy Cain) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: Message-ID: <3EE9AC8B.2040909@insight.rr.com> PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE scan them!!!! Joy > > Llan gors was burnt down in 902 IIRC, so the embroidery is probably > _just_ c9th. (Wether it is "english" or "welsh" is a matter of > debate....) The Cuthbert stole is _just_ c10th (about 912 if memory > serves - someone out there will have the book on it!). Do you want > scans of these? I might have my "doing things" head on this weekend..... > > Steve > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 13:10:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030613075650.01c3cc40@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Steve wrote: >the Llan gors find seems to be a copy of a byzantine fabric done in an >insular hand (yes, hazel, it is single stitch embroiderd much like the >later "English work" style apparently) - all lions caught up in vine >scrolls. So it would seem that byzantine patterns were in enough demand >for there to be a thriving "counterfeit" market. I tend to think the Llangorse embroidery could have been inspired by foreign textiles in much the same way as was the Chelles chasuble, which is white linen embroidered with motifs that look like Byzantine embroidery, and some of the Mammen embroidery motifs were, most especially the lions and tree of life motif. >Note that the method used in Llan gors is very different to that used in >the BT and the Cuthbert stole (so I am informed - I only look at the >pretty pictures!). If embroidery, it appears to be in a completely unique technique. It is entirely a *counted* stitch, rather a bit like needlepoint (I'm thinking specifically "Gobelin stitch" and its relatives), only worked on a fine ground instead of canvas. The stitch gauge is tiny. However, unlike needlepoint, stitches run in both the warpwise *and* the weftwise direction. Stitches change their direction in blocks when a texture change is desirable. It's quite remarkable! However, based on recent conversations with the conservator, I'm beginning to wonder if it might not be something other than embroidery. Some of the embroidery threads were tested a couple weeks ago under the SEM, and turned out completely unexpectedly to be linen, spun and plyed in a completely unexpected manner. I'm beginning to wonder if that there's more of an Eastern Mediterranean element to this textile than was heretofore evident. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 14:52:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:52:44 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EF0D3D8-9DA6-11D7-832D-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> I used to work for a group of gentlemen from the UK. We often found=20 ourselves in need of an American-to-English dictionary. I'm sure=20 Parisians and Canadians have the same problem as do Puerto-Ricans and=20 Spaniards. The linguistics are the first cultural detail to fade. > .....We have the word "rucksack" which seems to be equal to your word=20= > "ruck" > > I apologise for being transatlantically incomprehensible. However,=20 > once when asked to examine something owned by a member from Germany, I=20= > unthinkingly replied that I would "have a butchers" - which got met by=20= > a blank stare. I can't help it if I've got an east london Dad, a home=20= > counties Mum, and got brought up in the black country ;-) > > Steve > > P.S. For the uninitiated: Rhyming slang. Butchers hook =3D look > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger=20 > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > From: "Douglas Sunlin" > Date: Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:46:17 PM US/Eastern > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] The fundamental Saxon Tunic > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > =A0 > > Steve said: > > >enough for knee length with full rucks. A tunic that length comes > > > >up to mid thigh when rucked. > > =A0 > Sorry, but what's a ruck and where can I get one? ;) I think this may=20= > be a translation problem; a "ruck" over here is a military backpack=20 > with a reputation for being quite heavy when full. That's not what you=20= > were talking about was it??? > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 17:41:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: Message-ID: <000901c331ca$9c042ce0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Steve, scans would be lovely. Yes, please! Jennifer, not Jill [who doesn't exist ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Etheridge" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery > >From: "J Hill" > > > >Needing sources for Anglo Saxon embroidery, 9th C. Pictures would be > >lovely. Yrs, Ælfgifu > > > >Jennifer Hill > >Ælfgifu > >Wes ðu hal. > > >From: "Hazel Uzzell" > >Hi Jill, > >No physical evidence! If you look at the Bayeaux Tapestry the designs seem > >to be set into arcades and circles.(on the robes of Will and other such > >dignitaries) This could, of course, not be embroidery at all, but a > >representation of Byzantine silk appliqued onto the cloth. > >Strangely enough, the Oseberg embroideries are set in circles, with animal > >figures in them, to me very reminiscent of the Trewhiddle style. They are > >said to be influenced by A.S art styles. > > > > > To add to what hazel wrote.... > > There is again more evidence of embroidery/decoration on tunics in AS MSS > (such as the "Goliath" picture, who also seems to use a cord/tie to close > his tunic), as well as various pictures of kings, etc. > > These may be representations of byzantine woven silks. However, the Llan > gors find seems to be a copy of a byzantine fabric done in an insular hand > (yes, hazel, it is single stitch embroiderd much like the later "English > work" style apparently) - all lions caught up in vine scrolls. So it would > seem that byzantine patterns were in enough demand for there to be a > thriving "counterfeit" market. Note that the method used in Llan gors is > very different to that used in the BT and the Cuthbert stole (so I am > informed - I only look at the pretty pictures!). This would seem to > indicate two different schools of embroidery going on - although from the > low level of finds from this period this may be an oversimplification. > > Llan gors was burnt down in 902 IIRC, so the embroidery is probably _just_ > c9th. (Wether it is "english" or "welsh" is a matter of debate....) The > Cuthbert stole is _just_ c10th (about 912 if memory serves - someone out > there will have the book on it!). Do you want scans of these? I might have > my "doing things" head on this weekend..... > > Steve > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 17:47:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:47:32 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030613075650.01c3cc40@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <002001c331cb$7c8307f0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Spun & plied in an unexpected manner??? More Eastern Mediterranean? Please tell me more! Are we looking at a brocade of some sort? inlay on the loom? some strange form of embroidery I've never heard of? Byzantine? Þora! Don't stop there!!!! How could you leave us in suspense? Ælfgifu From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 17:51:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible References: <4EF0D3D8-9DA6-11D7-832D-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <003201c331cc$12ebab70$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Then there are those little, seemingly innocuous words like "bugger". To me, it is a pest of some sort... to you... I fear it is indecent! Ælfgifu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wulfhere se Treowryhta" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible I used to work for a group of gentlemen from the UK. We often found ourselves in need of an American-to-English dictionary. I'm sure Parisians and Canadians have the same problem as do Puerto-Ricans and Spaniards. The linguistics are the first cultural detail to fade. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 17:55:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:55:35 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <005001c3311b$895c2020$8f837ad5@m1w9d8> <003601c33123$fe8d10e0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006e01c33160$2294bba0$9a00a8c0@field2> Message-ID: <004c01c331cc$9c7a0e40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C33191.EFCA3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROFL I know, we need an extra large eagle & you & yr wife could come = for a visit! =C6lfgifu/ Jennifer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martin Field=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Hi Jennifer I'll make sure the pigeon is fed extra millet for the long haul flight = - besides Leechcraft weighs in at 2lbs and 15 ozs. Martin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Yes, that one is coming next month. It is flying to me from Martin, = who will attach it to a pigeon & fly it over the border. I wonder if Steve would like to come to NV & carouse in the casinos? = Then, in his OFF time, he could give us a lecture or two. = =C6lfgifu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hrolf Douglasson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another list question Leechcraft by Steven Pollington isbn 9781898281238 regards vara PS I am hoping to get him to do a lecture for us next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] another list question Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our = local group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, = as well as kitchen gardens. Is there anyone out there who could help her out? HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . I do so appreciate it! = =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C33191.EFCA3010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ROFL  I know, we need an extra = large eagle=20 & you & yr wife could come for a visit!  =C6lfgifu/=20 Jennifer
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Martin=20 Field
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 8:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] another = list=20 question

Hi Jennifer
I'll make sure the pigeon is fed = extra millet for=20 the long haul flight - besides Leechcraft weighs in at 2lbs = and 15=20 ozs.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = another list=20 question

Yes, that one is coming next = month.  It is=20 flying to me from Martin, who will attach it to a pigeon & fly = it over=20 the border. <G>
I wonder if Steve would like to = come to NV=20 & carouse in the casinos?  Then, in his OFF time, he could = give us=20 a lecture or two.  <G>  =C6lfgifu
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Hrolf=20 Douglasson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, = 2003 12:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = another list=20 question

Leechcraft
by Steven Pollington
isbn
9781898281238
regards
vara
PS I am hoping to get him to do a = lecture for=20 us next year
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 J Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Thursday, June 12, = 2003 8:25=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] = another list=20 question

Hi, everyone.  My daughter = in law - a=20 MAJOR force in getting our local group together - would like to = get more=20 info on herbs & medicine, as well as kitchen = gardens.
Is there anyone out there who = could help=20 her out?
HER address is:  mom6882@yahoo.com .  = I do so=20 appreciate it!  =C6lfgifu

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 = hal.
= ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C33191.EFCA3010-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 18:16:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:16:22 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] geteld References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030603115647.024a8028@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <3EEA06E6.3000708@bellsouth.net> Seems like I took an appropriate photo of you two in front of that two years ago. You could show the grinning architects. On this end its in the recruiting books. After 22+ years there are 8-10 with thousands of photos. Please leave me out of the others. Wanted posters and all... - Magnus, who sent them to you. Carolyn Priest-Dorman wrote: > No, it's painted. My husband did the engineering, we designed it > together, and my apprentice and I sewed the canvas (the tent with the > green ring-chain decoration is hers: she does 10th century Isle of > Man). It's made of oil-painted ash, Sunforger canvas, and the canvas > paint is diluted latex enamel. The painted top is based on bear-ended > hogback tombstones in north Yorkshire (my husband's totem is the bear), > and the color scheme is based on those found on Viking Age painted > woodwork. (The ash is painted creamy pale yellow.) > > I've *got* to finish that web page with the photos and the layout and > the manuscript references we used.... A lot of it has been drafted, but > it's just not top priority for my husband, so the engineering section > hasn't been written yet. > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 18:21:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:21:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible In-Reply-To: <003201c331cc$12ebab70$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <20030613172133.36515.qmail@web21008.mail.yahoo.com> --0-324708589-1055524893=:36425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit J Hill wrote: Then there are those little, seemingly innocuous words like "bugger". To me, it is a pest of some sort... to you... I fear it is indecent! Ælfgifu Either way,it's a pain in the ass! Ooops,sorry i couldn't resist that one! Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-324708589-1055524893=:36425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


J Hill <welshladygwen@citlink.net> wrote:

Then there are those little, seemingly innocuous words like "bugger". To
me, it is a pest of some sort... to you... I fear it is indecent! Ælfgifu

Either way,it's a pain in the ass!

Ooops,sorry i couldn't resist that one!

Regards,

Mik



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--0-324708589-1055524893=:36425-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 19:11:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:11:03 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <000901c331ca$9c042ce0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <00c701c331d7$26d615c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Jennifer, not Jill [who doesn't > exist ] Sorry! I can only plead early morning fatigue, with the prospect of teaching 30 seven year old boys about textiles all day, when all they want to get to is the weapons and armour... Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 19:51:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Kate Dudman) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:51:04 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Llan-gors textile (was embroidery) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030613075650.01c3cc40@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: Carolyn, You wrote: >Some of the embroidery threads were tested a couple weeks ago under the SEM, and >turned out completely unexpectedly to be linen, spun and plyed in a completely >unexpected manner. Do you have a description of how the linen was spun and plied? Thank you. For anyone that is interested the paper Steve has on this textile comes from: Pattern and Purpose in Insular Art Proceedings of the Fourth International Conference on Insular Art held at the National Museum and Gallery, Cardiff 3-6 September 1998 Oxbow Books 2001 (www.oxbowbooks.com) ISBN 1 84217 058 9 Part III Art & Archaeology 8 A Fine Quality Insular Embroidery from Llan-gors Crannog, near Brecon (Hero Granger-Taylor and Frances Pritchard) Cheers, Kate. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 19:19:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:19:37 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] That Wheelbarrow Manuscript References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030603221115.03bd8eb0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <3EEA15B9.4040706@bellsouth.net> I think it's Woodworker the British magazine that has plans for a wooden one in the 19th C fashion in this current issue. Same as one would see among the forty or so types I have pictures of from places like Williamsburg, VA, the circa 1750 recreated Colonial town. Seems like I remember wheelbarrows in: Singer, Charles (ed. et al): A History of Technology, Volume II, The Mediterranean Civilizations and the Middle Ages c. 700 BC to c. A.D. 1500; 1956, Oxford University Press, New York and London. And of course they are in De Re Metallica by Agricola, late period but... http://www.medievalwood.org/charles/ I have an assembled book in which I have various pictures of some from the middle ages, but I can't upload them in any fashion. The Chronicles of Matthew Paris do have some as I recall. Leave it to the Chinese to invent the one man / one big wheel wheelbarrow that can haul six or so passengers or about a thousand pounds of material tied to it. I got a 1930's National Geographic this week that shows the thing also being towed by a donkey or two. CHINA AT WORK is an amazing book on their 'primitive' technology. Magnus Carolyn Priest-Dorman wrote: > Okay, so there I was at the dining room table, helping brainstorm a new > kitchen worktable for our Pennsic camp, when I came upon another > reproduction of that 13th century manuscript illumination with the > wheelbarrow. It's in this book. > > Goldstream, Nicola. _Masons and Sculptors_. Medieval Craftsmen > series. University of Toronto Press [British Museum Press], 1991. ISBN > 0-8020-6916-9. > > The relevant page number is 11, illustration 9. The manuscript number > and folio number Goldstream gives are Trinity College Dublin 177, fol. > 59v. That manuscript is Matthew Paris's "Lives of St. Alban and St. > Amphibalus." Goldsmith lists it with a different manuscript number than > the book in which I originally saw it. Perhaps that accounts for my not > being able to find it in any of the compilations I checked at the time I > found it. ;/ > > Anyway, so I rechecked and found a catalogue entry for the manuscript in > this source. > > Morgan, Nigel. _Early Gothic Manuscripts [I] 1190-1250_. A > Survey of Manuscripts Illuminated in the British Isles, vol. 4, part 1. > Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1982. ISBN 019-921026-8. > > The catalogue entry is number 85 ("Dublin, Trinity College MS 177 > [E.I.40]), on pages 130-133. It says the manuscript is dated to circa > 1240-1250. > > I feel much better now that's solved. It was really bothering me that I > couldn't find a reference to the darned thing. My eyes told me it was > 13th century, and there I was, forced to check in the (shudder) 15th > century volume, just to be sure I hadn't totally misjudged! > > And while I'm at it, I think I have to go write someone about those 13th > century coifs on the cover of _Masons and Sculptors_.... ;> > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 21:04:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:04:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] embroidery References: <000901c331ca$9c042ce0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <00c701c331d7$26d615c0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000f01c331e6$f28dbc40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> OOOOH All is forgiven! ROFL I'm glad YOU"RE doing it & not I!!!! Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] embroidery > Jennifer, not Jill [who doesn't > > exist ] > > Sorry! I can only plead early morning fatigue, with the prospect of teaching > 30 seven year old boys about textiles all day, when all they want to get to > is the weapons and armour... > Cheers, > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 13 21:11:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:11:36 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Llan -gors Message-ID: <010001c331e7$fdf67620$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C331F0.5F7F5BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am pleased that more work has been done on this fascinating textile. I = haven't spoken to Frances Pritchard since her talk at Manchester last = November, so my information is out of date. 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I am pleased that more work has been = done on this=20 fascinating textile. I haven't spoken to Frances Pritchard since her = talk at=20 Manchester last November, so my information is out of date.
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C331F0.5F7F5BC0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 14 03:26:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:26:50 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] over tunic Message-ID: <000a01c3321c$69db5200$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C331E1.BD1AD200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hazel & everyone: Now that I'm going w/ the olive green tunic, would a = yellow over tunic be appropriate? Or what? Heavens!@ olive green??? What a colour! =C6lfgifu who loves purples & = reds & emerald green Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C331E1.BD1AD200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hazel & everyone:  Now that = I'm going w/=20 the olive green tunic, would a yellow over tunic be appropriate?  = Or=20 what?
Heavens!@  olive green???  = What a=20 colour!  =C6lfgifu who loves purples & reds & emerald=20 green

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C331E1.BD1AD200-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 14 07:33:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:33:34 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] over tunic References: <000a01c3321c$69db5200$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <003001c3323e$e1aa4760$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33247.431AC300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jennifer, Please tell, what is ROFL? I'm not all that computer literate and I = don't know the jargon! Yellow would be fine. The safest colour there is. I know how you feel = about colours, I love purples and rich reds too. A book I recommend: 'Anglo-Saxon Art. A New Perspective' by C.R.Dodwell. Pub (I think) MUP. Not only is it good on history, it gives you a real insight into the A.S = mind. I have read it over and over and still find new things. Try you = library loan service. Cheers, Hazel Hazel & everyone: Now that I'm going w/ the olive green tunic, would = a yellow over tunic be appropriate? Or what? Heavens!@ olive green??? What a colour! =C6lfgifu who loves purples = & reds & emerald green Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33247.431AC300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jennifer,
Please tell, what is ROFL? I'm not all = that=20 computer literate and I don't know the jargon!
Yellow would be fine. The safest colour = there is. I=20 know how you feel about colours, I love purples and rich reds = too.
A book I recommend:
'Anglo-Saxon Art. A New Perspective' by = C.R.Dodwell. Pub (I think) MUP.
Not only is it good on history, it = gives you a real=20 insight into the A.S mind. I have read it over and over and still find = new=20 things. Try you library loan service.
Cheers,
Hazel
Hazel & everyone:  Now that = I'm going w/=20 the olive green tunic, would a yellow over tunic be appropriate?  = Or=20 what?
Heavens!@  olive green???  = What a=20 colour!  =C6lfgifu who loves purples & reds & emerald=20 green

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33247.431AC300-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 14 09:43:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:43:37 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] over tunic In-Reply-To: <003001c3323e$e1aa4760$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <200306140834.h5E8YgAO015836@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0184520=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rolling On=20 (The) Floor Laughing --Original=20Message=20Text--- From:=20Hazel=20Uzzell Date:=20Sat,=2014=20Jun=202003=2007:33:34=20+0100 Hi=20Jennifer,=20 Please=20tell,=20what=20is=20ROFL?=20I'm=20not=20all=20that=20computer=20l= iterate=20and=20I=20don't=20know=20the=20jargon!=20 Yellow=20would=20be=20fine.=20The=20safest=20colour=20there=20is.=20I=20kn= ow=20how=20you=20feel=20about=20colours,=20I=20love=20purples=20and=20rich= =20reds=20 too.=20 A=20book=20I=20recommend:=20 'Anglo-Saxon=20Art.=20A=20New=20Perspective'=20by=20C.R.Dodwell.=20Pub=20(= I=20think)=20MUP.=20 Not=20only=20is=20it=20good=20on=20history,=20it=20gives=20you=20a=20real=20= insight=20into=20the=20A.S=20mind.=20I=20have=20read=20it=20over=20and=20o= ver=20and=20still=20 find=20new=20things.=20Try=20you=20library=20loan=20service.=20 Cheers,=20 Hazel=20 Hazel=20&=20everyone:=20=20Now=20that=20I'm=20going=20w/=20the=20olive=20g= reen=20tunic,=20would=20a=20yellow=20over=20tunic=20be=20appropriate?=20=20= Or=20 what?=20 Heavens!@=20=20olive=20green???=20=20What=20a=20colour!=20=20=92lfgifu=20w= ho=20loves=20purples=20&=20reds=20&=20emerald=20green=20 Jennifer=20Hill =92lfgifu Wes=20=F0u=20hal. Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0184520=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rolling
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Date:=20Sat,=2014=20Jun=202003=2007:33:34=20+0100

Hi=20Jennifer= ,=20
Please=20tell,=20what=20is=20ROFL?=20I'm=20not=20all=20that=20computer=20l= iterate=20and=20I=20don't=20know=20the=20jargon!=20
Yellow=20would=20be=20fine.=20The=20safest=20colour=20there=20is.=20I=20kn= ow=20how=20you=20feel=20about=20colours,=20I=20love=20purples=20and=20rich= =20reds=20too.=20
A=20book=20I=20recommend:=20
'Anglo-Saxon=20Art.=20A=20New=20Perspective'=20by=20C.R.Dodwell.=20Pub=20(= I=20think)=20MUP.=20
Not=20only=20is=20it=20good=20on=20history,=20it=20gives=20you=20a=20real=20= insight=20into=20the=20A.S=20mind.=20I=20have=20read=20it=20over=20and=20o= ver=20and=20still=20find=20new=20things.=20Try=20you=20library=20loan=20se= rvice.=20
Cheers,=20
Hazel=20

Hazel=20&=20everyone:=20=20Now=20that=20I'm=20going=20w/=20the=20olive=20g= reen=20tunic,=20would=20a=20yellow=20over=20tunic=20be=20appropriate?=20=20= Or=20what?=20
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Jennifer=20Hill
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Regards,=20

Mik



To=20kill=20&=20to=20kill=20again=20;=20just=20to=20make=20sure!




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Fr=F6jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_1364168=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 15 21:17:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:17:28 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] mead book--thanks! Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33359.9DA862B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Kate, for your recommendation of "Making Mead" by Bryon Acton = and Peter Duncan. I finally found it and it's packed with useful info = and recipes. Thanks! --charlotte mayhew ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33359.9DA862B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Kate, for your recommendation = of "Making=20 Mead" by Bryon Acton and Peter Duncan.  I finally found it and it's = packed=20 with useful info and recipes.  Thanks!
--charlotte = mayhew
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33359.9DA862B0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 16 02:36:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Swordplay Symposium Message-ID:

Last weekend I attended the Third Annual St George Swordplay Symposium International in Benecia California. This was a meeting of scholars, students instructors in the burgeoning field of Historial European Swordsmanship. The Symposium focused mainly on the longsword of the high medieval period and on rapier play, but there were some things I saw there that might pertain to Viking-Age re-enactment.

http://www.chronique.com/schola/Symposium_2003.htm/

 

There was a vendor’s table displaying many handmande aluminum swords. Many of the swordsmanship groups are starting to move to aluminum for sword simulators. The craftsman in question had made a number of Hastings-era swords. He also displayed a brace for fine axes. I believe there was recently a conversation on the weight of re-enactment axes. The weight of re-enactment steel swords is also a concern; the blades must have a certain thickness of edge for safety’s sake, but this also adds to the weight of the weapon (whether sword or axe) and this might decrease safety! I have found in using an aluminum weapon that such a blade can be very easy to use safely, with realistic-looking blows. With heavier steel swords, I believe that when you pull blows, or “slam on the brakes”, this might be visible to the viewing public, while aluminum swords are easier to deliver a safe, dangerous-looking blow. Hollywood, after all, uses aluminum swords almost exclusively. Now I know that with steel and aluminum both on the field, the two metals are bound to clash (particularly with swords), the softer metal can turn into a dangerous saw! I am simply interested in raising the topic for discussion.

I believe the vendor was:

http://www.a-work-of-art.net

Although I don’t see the aluminum pieces displayed…

 

Another thing I saw in the vendor booths was a penannular brooch. I inquired about who owned it and what its history was. Turned out it was made by one of the Viking-Age re-enactors in Australia. When the LOTR films were in production, the manufacturers of that brooch were flagged down and asked to make a truckload of them for the Riders of Rohan. L Unfortunately, that precioussss brooch was already sold and spoken for.

 

Finally, I picked up a copy of Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship. In it, there is an interesting article on the reconstruction of early medieval sword and shield techniques. I will comment on this in a following post, as it is pretty provocative.

http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm

 

Douglas/Osweald


The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 16 08:53:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:53:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Swordplay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030616075359.72833.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> --0-245558080-1055750039=:72305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Douglas wrote, There was a vendor’s table displaying many handmade aluminum swords. Many of the swordsmanship groups are starting to move to aluminum for sword simulators. The craftsman in question had made a number of Hastings-era swords. He also displayed a brace for fine axes. I believe there was recently a conversation on the weight of re-enactment axes. The weight of re-enactment steel swords is also a concern; the blades must have a certain thickness of edge for safety’s sake, but this also adds to the weight of the weapon (whether sword or axe) and this might decrease safety! I have found in using an aluminum weapon that such a blade can be very easy to use safely, with realistic-looking blows. With heavier steel swords, I believe that when you pull blows, or “slam on the brakes”, this might be visible to the viewing public, while aluminum swords are easier to deliver a safe, dangerous-looking blow. Hollywood, after all, us es aluminum swords almost exclusively. Now I know that with steel and aluminum both on the field, the two metals are bound to clash (particularly with swords), the softer metal can turn into a dangerous saw! I am simply interested in raising the topic for discussion. Douglas/Osweald In the Regia style of fighting we deliver a blow with a sword from the wrist,this is an unrealistic style of fighting because blows would have been delivered from a full draw & then attacking over hand giving a devastating blow if it landed.The overhand,over the head blow might also cause broken bones through armour which is one of the reasons that Regia doesn't use such a combat style.We fight from the wrist because it can deliver a telling blow that looks ok to the untrained eye & the shot can be controled.If we were to use a realistic combat style it would involve lots of standing around staring at your opponent because thats what would have happened in a Viking,Saxon fight exploding into an extremely violent round of violence where once comitted to the fight it would have to be brought to a conclusion.Check out two drunks fighting on any Saturday night in a town centre near you? As for the weight of the weapons invovled,the swords we use are pretty close to the weight of some of the originals despite being blunt,generally if you added 1/4 inch to the width on either side of the blade,that would give you your sharp cutting edge & an approximate width mesurement of an original sword so if anything there a little less weight involved. People who have used aluminium swords in film work say that they burr up worse than a spring steel sword & are still just as capable of causing an injury.The swords we use are made of tempered & hardened spring steel which tend to dent & work harden the edges causing very little burring in the better blades but if they do burr then they can be dressed with a needle file.This is one of our weapon safty checks before going on the battlefield. As for the weight of a sword & combat style,live action role players suffer from injuries with foam & fibreglass weapons because they are so light they use them at full force in some cases in an unrealistic repeating chopping action & have been known to break bones.Regias fighting style & training regime enable the fighter to deliver a blow to an armoured man/woman or an unarmoured person with out injury & with just enough force for either combatant to register the shot.It's not realistic but the combat displays are meant as entertainment for public & warrior alike & not the realistic blood bath that would have occured? Sorry for the long winded reply & i hope that what i have written gives food for thought?As a side note,would you still have the steel weapons to demonstrate to the public?I have a full set of sharps because i got fed up pointing out that the weapons would have in fact been sharp.This stops the public holding the weapons because they are sharp but then i have the re-enactment weaponry for the public to hold to get an idea of the feel of a real sword/axe/knife/spear & so on? Regards, Mik To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-245558080-1055750039=:72305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Douglas wrote,

 There was a vendor’s table displaying many handmade aluminum swords. Many of the swordsmanship groups are starting to move to aluminum for sword simulators. The craftsman in question had made a number of Hastings-era swords. He also displayed a brace for fine axes. I believe there was recently a conversation on the weight of re-enactment axes. The weight of re-enactment steel swords is also a concern; the blades must have a certain thickness of edge for safety’s sake, but this also adds to the weight of the weapon (whether sword or axe) and this might decrease safety! I have found in using an aluminum weapon that such a blade can be very easy to use safely, with realistic-looking blows. With heavier steel swords, I believe that when you pull blows, or “slam on the brakes”, this might be visible to the viewing public, while aluminum swords are easier to deliver a safe, dangerous-looking blow. Hollywood, after all, us es aluminum swords almost exclusively. Now I know that with steel and aluminum both on the field, the two metals are bound to clash (particularly with swords), the softer metal can turn into a dangerous saw! I am simply interested in raising the topic for discussion.

Douglas/Osweald


In the Regia style of fighting we deliver a blow with a sword from the wrist,this is an unrealistic style of fighting because blows would have been delivered from a full draw & then attacking over hand giving a devastating blow if it landed.The overhand,over the head blow might also cause broken bones through armour which is one of the reasons that Regia doesn't use such a combat style.We fight from the wrist because it can deliver a telling blow that looks ok to the untrained eye & the shot can be controled.If we were to use a realistic combat style it would involve lots of standing around staring at your opponent because thats what would have happened in a Viking,Saxon fight exploding into an extremely violent round of violence where once comitted to the fight it would have to be brought to a conclusion.Check out two drunks fighting on any Saturday night in a town centre near you?

As for the weight of the weapons invovled,the swords we use are pretty close to the weight of some of the originals despite being blunt,generally if you added 1/4 inch to the width on either side of the blade,that would give you your sharp cutting edge & an approximate width mesurement of an original sword so if anything there a little less weight involved.

People who have used aluminium swords in film work say that they burr up worse than a spring steel sword & are still just as capable of causing an injury.The swords we use are made of tempered & hardened spring steel which tend to dent & work harden the edges causing very little burring in the better blades but if they do burr then they can be dressed with a needle file.This is one of our weapon safty checks before going on the battlefield.

As for the weight of a sword & combat style,live action role players suffer from injuries with foam & fibreglass weapons because they are so light they use them at full force in some cases in an unrealistic repeating chopping action & have been known to break bones.Regias fighting style & training regime enable the fighter to deliver a blow to an armoured man/woman or an unarmoured person with out injury & with just enough force for either combatant to register the shot.It's not realistic but the combat displays are meant as entertainment for public & warrior alike & not the realistic blood bath that would have occured?

Sorry for the long winded reply & i hope that what i have written gives food for thought?As a side note,would you still have the steel weapons to demonstrate to the public?I have a full set of sharps because i got fed up pointing out that the weapons would have in fact been sharp.This stops the public holding the weapons because they are sharp but then i have the re-enactment weaponry for the public to hold to get an idea of the feel of a real sword/axe/knife/spear & so on?

Regards,

Mik



To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure!


Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience
--0-245558080-1055750039=:72305-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 16 16:52:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:52:43 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Swordplay Message-ID:


>Sorry for the long winded reply & i hope that what i have written gives food for thought?As a side note,would you still have the steel weapons to demonstrate to the public?I have a full set of sharps because i got fed up pointing out that the weapons would have in fact been sharp.This stops the public holding the weapons because they are sharp but then i have the re-enactment weaponry for the public to hold to get an idea of the feel of a real sword/axe/knife/spear & so on?

Absolutely! The idea is (mostly) to educate the public, is it not? Thanks for the interesting reply.


The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 17 03:21:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:21:59 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] a symbol Message-ID: <003301c33477$3bdeb6f0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3343C.8F03F830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to find out what one would have for a symbol of the House... = i.e. the liege lord has a boar or a ? as his symbol to put on his = pennon, etc. How does one figure this out? =C6lfgifu Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3343C.8F03F830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need to find out what one would have = for a symbol=20 of the House...  i.e. the liege lord has a boar or a ? as his = symbol to put=20 on his pennon, etc.
How does one figure this = out?  =20 =C6lfgifu

Jennifer Hill
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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3343C.8F03F830-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 17 13:37:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:37:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] a symbol References: <003301c33477$3bdeb6f0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <087f01c334cd$43bb8a50$85551e3e@kim1> Look on the borders of the Bayeux Tapestry Regards, Kim Siddorn. "When three or more are involved, the culprit will frequently escape punishment" Laws of Hammurabi, 1780BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: "Mead-Hall" ; "Regia" Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] a symbol I need to find out what one would have for a symbol of the House... i.e. the liege lord has a boar or a ? as his symbol to put on his pennon, etc. How does one figure this out? Ælfgifu Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 17 23:20:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:20:29 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible References: <4EF0D3D8-9DA6-11D7-832D-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <3EEF942D.9010602@bellsouth.net> And Encyclop(a)edia Britannica finally took on an American Advisor. It seems American English is dominant on the world-wide scene these days, or so it said in a news article I saw on telly in the last year. The new American member was being accompanied through the doors of Britannica by the older members. Funny how when you get older days go faster and years compress. Just the opposite of childhood. Perhaps the size of the body has some sort of time factor effect that is inverse to gravity. Magnus Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > I used to work for a group of gentlemen from the UK. We often found > ourselves in need of an American-to-English dictionary. I'm sure > Parisians and Canadians have the same problem as do Puerto-Ricans and > Spaniards. The linguistics are the first cultural detail to fade. > > >> .....We have the word "rucksack" which seems to be equal to your word >> "ruck" >> >> I apologise for being transatlantically incomprehensible. However, >> once when asked to examine something owned by a member from Germany, I >> unthinkingly replied that I would "have a butchers" - which got met by >> a blank stare. I can't help it if I've got an east london Dad, a home >> counties Mum, and got brought up in the black country ;-) >> >> Steve >> >> P.S. For the uninitiated: Rhyming slang. Butchers hook = look From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 17 23:31:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (dactar) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible In-Reply-To: <3EEF942D.9010602@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20030617223128.65564.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com> > Funny how when you get older days go faster and > years compress. > Just the opposite of childhood. Perhaps the > size of the body > has some sort of time factor effect that is > inverse to gravity. I believe that it has something to do w/ perspective... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 17 23:29:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:29:41 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) References: <20030531165658.38054.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c3351f$f2fb0020$b81b7ad5@m1w9d8> we are close:) a short plane ride for New York to Manchester In The UK:0) and you would always be welcome. welcome to the list. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "R J" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) > Hallo, all > > Im new to the list, and appreciate the information > very much. > We live in NJ and look forward to some activity in > this area, we'd like to be involved. > > Just wanted to comment on the Leather Supplier > question. > I use Veteran Leather in Brooklyn NY. They have a > vast assortment of veg tanned leathers, frequently > surprising me with whats available. They usually > understand armoring/period usage questions as well. > > > ===== > Thanks, > RJ > > (This signature in no way implies any agreement, legal, binding, or otherwise. It is strictly a courtesy, not a contract.) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 00:09:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:09:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible In-Reply-To: <3EEF942D.9010602@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20030617230906.95944.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1415021502-1055891346=:94910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just see it as us Brit following the Yanks again.Which ever way you look at it the English language is full of Americanisms nowadays.Which is no bad thing because it helps us to be able to communicate in business & speak a forgeign {to Americas} language in private conversation,although writing "disavo" make me cringe{disavo = this afternoon in Liverpudlian}.I still don't totally understand Cockney rhyming slang even though i only live a couple of hundred miles from London & i refuse to speak pure Scouse though i'm only 10 miles away from Liverpool. The English speaking bloke who still had to look up quite a few words in the dictionary to write this mail{shame on me} Mik rmhowe wrote: And Encyclop(a)edia Britannica finally took on an American Advisor. It seems American English is dominant on the world-wide scene these days, or so it said in a news article I saw on telly in the last year. The new American member was being accompanied through the doors of Britannica by the older members. Funny how when you get older days go faster and years compress. Just the opposite of childhood. Perhaps the size of the body has some sort of time factor effect that is inverse to gravity. Magnus Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > I used to work for a group of gentlemen from the UK. We often found > ourselves in need of an American-to-English dictionary. I'm sure > Parisians and Canadians have the same problem as do Puerto-Ricans and > Spaniards. The linguistics are the first cultural detail to fade. > > >> .....We have the word "rucksack" which seems to be equal to your word >> "ruck" >> >> I apologise for being transatlantically incomprehensible. However, >> once when asked to examine something owned by a member from Germany, I >> unthinkingly replied that I would "have a butchers" - which got met by >> a blank stare. I can't help it if I've got an east london Dad, a home >> counties Mum, and got brought up in the black country ;-) >> >> Steve >> >> P.S. For the uninitiated: Rhyming slang. Butchers hook = look _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1415021502-1055891346=:94910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just see it as us Brit following the Yanks again.Which ever way you look at it the English language is full of Americanisms nowadays.Which is no bad thing because it helps us to be able to communicate in business & speak a forgeign {to Americas} language in private conversation,although writing "disavo" make me cringe{disavo = this afternoon in Liverpudlian}.I still don't totally understand Cockney rhyming slang even though i only live a couple of hundred miles from London & i refuse to speak pure Scouse though i'm only 10 miles away from Liverpool.
The English speaking bloke who still had to look up quite a few words in the dictionary to write this mail{shame on me}
Mik

rmhowe <MMagnusM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
And Encyclop(a)edia Britannica finally took on an American Advisor.
It seems American English is dominant on the world-wide scene
these days, or so it said in a news article I saw on telly in
the last year. The new American member was being accompanied
through the doors of Britannica by the older members.

Funny how when you get older days go faster and years compress.
Just the opposite of childhood. Perhaps the size of the body
has some sort of time factor effect that is inverse to gravity.

Magnus

Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote:
> I used to work for a group of gentlemen from the UK. We often found
> ourselves in need of an American-to-English dictionary. I'm sure
> Parisians and Canadians have the same problem as do Puerto-Ricans and
> Spaniards. The linguistics are the first cultural detail to fade.
>
>
>> .....We have the word "rucksack" which seems to be equal to your word
>> "ruck"
>>
>> I apologise for being transatlantically incomprehensible. However,
>> once when asked to examine something owned by a member from Germany, I
>> unthinkingly replied that I would "have a butchers" - which got met by
>> a blank stare. I can't help it if I've got an east london Dad, a home
>> counties Mum, and got brought up in the black country ;-)
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> P.S. For the uninitiated: Rhyming slang. Butchers hook = look


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I=20just=20see=20it=20as=20us=20Brit=20following=20the=20Yanks=20again.Whi= ch=20ever=20way=20you=20look=20at=20it=20the=20English=20language=20is=20f= ull=20of=20Americanisms=20nowadays.Which=20is=20no=20bad=20thing=20because= =20it=20helps=20us=20to=20be=20able=20to=20communicate=20in=20business=20&= =20speak=20a=20forgeign=20{to=20Americas}language=20in=20private=20convers= ation,although=20writing=20"disavo"=20make=20me=20cringe{disavo=20=3D=20th= is=20afternoon=20in=20Liverpudlian}.I=20still=20don't=20totally=20understa= nd=20Cockney=20rhyming=20slang=20even=20though=20i=20only=20live=20a=20cou= ple=20of=20hundred=20miles=20from=20London=20&=20i=20refuse=20to=20speak=20= pure=20Scouse=20though=20i'm=20only=2010=20miles=20away=20from=20Liverpool= .
The=20English=20speaking=20bloke=20who=20still=20had=20to=20look=20up=20qu= ite=20a=20few=20words=20in=20the=20dictionary=20to=20write=20this=20mail{s= hame=20on=20me}
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rmhowe=20<MMagnusM@bellsouth.net>=20wrote:
And=20Encyclop(a)edia=20Britannica=20finally=20took=20on=20an=20American=20= Advisor.
It=20seems=20American=20English=20is=20dominant=20on=20the=20world-wide=20= scene
these=20days,=20or=20so=20it=20said=20in=20a=20news=20article=20I=20saw=20= on=20telly=20in
the=20last=20year.=20The=20new=20American=20member=20was=20being=20accompa= nied
through=20the=20doors=20of=20Britannica=20by=20the=20older=20members.

Funny=20how=20when=20you=20get=20older=20days=20go=20faster=20and=20years=20= compress.
Just=20the=20opposite=20of=20childhood.=20Perhaps=20the=20size=20of=20the=20= body
has=20some=20sort=20of=20time=20factor=20effect=20that=20is=20inverse=20to= =20gravity.

Magnus

Wulfhere=20se=20Treowryhta=20wrote:
>=20I=20used=20to=20work=20for=20a=20group=20of=20gentlemen=20from=20th= e=20UK.=20We=20often=20found=20
>=20ourselves=20in=20need=20of=20an=20American-to-English=20dictionary.= =20I'm=20sure=20
>=20Parisians=20and=20Canadians=20have=20the=20same=20problem=20as=20do= =20Puerto-Ricans=20and=20
>=20Spaniards.=20The=20linguistics=20are=20the=20first=20cultural=20det= ail=20to=20fade.
>=20
>=20
>&
=20gt;=20.....We=20have=20the=20word=20"rucksack"=20which=20seems=20to=20b= e=20equal=20to=20your=20word=20
>>=20"ruck"
>>
>>=20I=20apologise=20for=20being=20transatlantically=20incomprehensi= ble.=20However,=20
>>=20once=20when=20asked=20to=20examine=20something=20owned=20by=20a= =20member=20from=20Germany,=20I=20
>>=20unthinkingly=20replied=20that=20I=20would=20"have=20a=20butcher= s"=20-=20which=20got=20met=20by=20
>>=20a=20blank=20stare.=20I=20can't=20help=20it=20if=20I've=20got=20= an=20east=20london=20Dad,=20a=20home=20
>>=20counties=20Mum,=20and=20got=20brought=20up=20in=20the=20black=20= country=20;-)
>>
>>=20Steve
>>
>>=20P.S.=20For=20the=20uninitiated:=20Rhyming=20slang.=20Butchers=20= hook=20=3D=20look


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frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_0184520=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 01:57:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible References: <20030617230906.95944.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c33534$94efc960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C334F9.E7FF86D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mik: What is disavo? Jennifer on the American side of the pond ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C334F9.E7FF86D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mik:  What is disavo?  = Jennifer on the=20 American side of the pond
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C334F9.E7FF86D0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 02:52:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:52:58 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Message-ID: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33501.ABC68760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is Sprang appropriate to Anglo-Saxons, Anglo-Danes or Vikings between = 850 & 1066? Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33501.ABC68760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is Sprang appropriate to Anglo-Saxons, = Anglo-Danes=20 or Vikings between 850 & 1066?  Jennifer

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33501.ABC68760-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 03:08:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:08:36 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Circles and dots References: <2d584d2b.9183d2bf.8236600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <3EEFC9A4.40303@bellsouth.net> Tracie Brown wrote: > Looking through Halvgrimr's pages > > http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/gamepieces/Vik_Art/ > 93.jpg > > has inspired me to ask: Does anyone know of a period > implement or method, conjecturally period implement or > method, or even a modern way to mass-produce these ubiquitous > circle-and-dot motifs? (Some other way than wood-burning, In the case of bone a massive amount of heat will crack or craze it. The Chinese habit of divination by touching scapulas with hot irons and reading the cracks would be a good example of why not to burn bone. Of course when there are over 40,000 Chinese characters in the old language in multiple script styles you can find all sorts of things in widely varying cracks. > I might add.) The best I've done is to file a screwdriver into > an inverted U, which works but is hell on my hands. That's creative. Remember that the cutting edge must be tangential to the center and it will cut better. Any raised grain can be sanded off. Bone scribes just fine, antler will be a bit more grainy. > BTW, I have an interesting story regarding these. I sent a > similar query to a specialty tool and bit company, hoping I > might find something modern to do the trick, and included a > different picture of some 11c dice. The guy I corresponded > with didn't read my message carefully and thought that they > were of modern manufacture. He allowed as how they could only > be done with some sophisticated manufacturing process and > tools. He was quite amazed and impressed when I pointed out > that they had been made 1000 years ago with hand tools. The Japanese have a brad awl/boring tool that has triple points on the end of the shaft with the central one longer. The upper handle decreases in taper towards the back end and is rotated between one's palms. This -might- reproduce similar marks with much duller points, but what if it skipped? I am not familiar with such marks on bone or antler combs from skipping. The ones I have examined seemed to have rounded holes and rings in cross section. It would be quite possible to make a ring and dot motif drill point by reworking a -woodworking- drill point, the kind that has the edged cutters on the outside edge by refiling them. For small things I think I'd mount it in a pin vise with a rotatable head. [When I took silver cloissone I took a steel needle in a pin vise and ground the head off and left the eye depth just long enough to hold the flat silver wire. Works wonderfully for tiny bends in annealed .999 silver. My class teacher was amazed at it and had me make some for her [she does it professionally]. Similarly I made a leaf shaped pair of needle-nose pliers to bend laurel leaves with a central stem in one piece. The taper down the jaws allowed for different sizes.] > > -- Signy I think many of them were simply cut out with a pair of dividers. One could also do this with brads at different distances that are cut and filed in a dowel end, or a wire bent and tied tightly into a slot in a dowel end. One point of which was somewhat round and served as the center, and the other point of which was ground/filed halfway through to make a scraper/cutting point. One would use the cutting point to make the center hole first by twisting it and then cut the outside ring. Looking at it in vertical cross-section it would be a D shape tangent to the center point so it could scrape. In the case of at least one comb I've looked at the use of dividers for layout and engraving had to have been done with dividers because the surface had large arcs on it and the surface was also so uneven that a normally rotating tool wouldn't have done it successfully. A hand tool with patience could. Besides which it has been clearly proven that dividers or a very similar cutter was used to replicate the Trig Lane spectacles [I have two detailed articles on this.] One should also remember that most craftsmen were probably illiterate and had a tremendous variety of measuring methods - but all but the crudist would know of using dividers to subdivide distances - something I used many times in my own woodworking and furniture making career. One class I have never resented taking was Geometry. I collect antique dividers and calipers out to 40" - some of which are probably well over 200 years old. Of course you see the same motifs in metalwork sometimes in which case it would most probably have been punched in. If I were to make the punch for that I would probably have an original O shaped punch made by center punching the end of a flat ended red-hot punch with a center punch and using that to file down to get to the O shape, then hardening it and using it again to get another negative punch shape and center punching that to arrive at a punch with a hole in the center of the O. This then would be used to punch the ring and dot motif into metal. Lacking lead/pitch as a backup metal I would be inclined to use the soft end grain of a somewhat recent stump or log. When I used to punch my maker's mark into furniture the end grain always took the letters quite well. One should also remember that the Celts used very complicated arcs on their mirror series [more so than the Roman mirrors I have seen]. Doing that work without dividers would be next to impossible. Very complicated layout schemes have been demonstrated for them. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 04:48:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:48:29 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) References: <20030531165658.38054.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3354c$7bbe94e0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Hi, RJ. What good news about a supplier of veg tanned leather! Do they have a website? or do mail order? Yrs, Jennifer in NV From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 05:46:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:46:25 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible References: <20030617230906.95944.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c33534$94efc960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <002001c33554$93512700$bb474d51@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3355C.F4D26B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {disavo =3D this afternoon in Liverpudlian} ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible Mik: What is disavo? Jennifer on the American side of the pond ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3355C.F4D26B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
{disavo =3D this afternoon in Liverpudlian}
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3355C.F4D26B80-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 05:53:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible References: <20030617230906.95944.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c33534$94efc960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <002001c33554$93512700$bb474d51@mshome.net> Message-ID: <00ab01c33555$9aeef630$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C3351A.EDBE4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok. Now we not only need an English-American dictionary, but a dialect = dictionary of both... & someone mentioned an Aussie one, too. =20 How am I ever to learn Anglo-Saxon if I have to learn all these = dialects? Jennifer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Uzzell=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible {disavo =3D this afternoon in Liverpudlian} ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible Mik: What is disavo? Jennifer on the American side of the pond ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C3351A.EDBE4F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok.  Now we not only need an = English-American=20 dictionary, but a dialect dictionary of both... & someone mentioned = an=20 Aussie one, too. 
How am I ever to learn Anglo-Saxon if I = have to=20 learn all these dialects?  <G>  Jennifer
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------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C3351A.EDBE4F40-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 07:12:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Easily Made Primitive Lathe Message-ID: <3EF002CD.5040300@bellsouth.net> An relatively easily made primitive lathe from the Steppes: Happened to be reading a book called _Nomads of Eurasia_ this week (one I bought from the late Master Finnr's estate). There is an interesting lathe in it that is extremely simple to make and use to turn bowls and cups with. Knowing how some people love primitive projects out there I may as well describe it. People loved the home-made forge article. It's not every day you can lie or sit down at your work either. Pick a dry day. ;) This takes two people to operate. One manipulates the tool. The other pulls a cord/strap wrapped around the round mandrel to turn the workplace to be cut. The puller sits straight up on the ground. The turner lies partially over the left side of the lathe beam and holds the tool he is using on the inside of the bowl slightly lower than center. The tool would have to have a more acute angle than the curve of the bowl or vessel it is cutting to do this. There is no discussion and the end of the tool bit is obscured by the wooden core piece. I have no idea if it is hooked. Many tools used by pole lathers in Europe certainly are. The main body is a log with a cross-section cut out of it in order to put a wooden cross-piece into with I assume a conical arbor in the end. This is then held in place with a simple wedge. In fact this is how the lathe tightens to clamp the workplace and the mandrel stuck into the back of it to turn it with. Looking at it, the mandrel itself has the other turning point in the end of it as when it hits the end post there are various v shaped holes in it at different heights. I am going to make the log square for ease of drawing the item. {No? Okay, you do it. ;) ) __ <==back up _ stakes==> __ _|__|___________| |___ _________|__|_____ | wedge- |w| |-turning center | | |_| O | on the end | | FRONT |_|___| of mandrel | | ^ | | main beam crosswise slot | |_________________________________________| __ ____ Bowl blank split from tree. | |________ |__ \ ___ | |________|_____ _ \ \ _______________ |> | | |wedge || \_ | \_| |=| | round | | |> | | |________|| |_|>> _ |=| | mandrel | |>|> | | |_________|____/ |_/ | |=|_|___________|_| | p | | | | __/ /^ | o | | |solid beam |____/ |Teeth driven into | s | |__|_________|__________________ bowl blank____|_t_|_ | | Ground Level | | | | | | | | | | |__| |___| The round mandrel has a cord wrapped about it, or you could use a belt. This is pulled back and forth alternately on either end to turn the round mandrel with a reciprocating motion. The main beam acts as the lathe tool rest. In the picture I saw the lathe tool looks like it is on a broom handle. There are iron bands on either end of the round mandrel and there is one on the end of the fixed mandrel in the crossbeam. These are there to hold the conical ended spike tips in to act as lathe centers or for the several sharp flat teeth in the bowl end of the round mandrel that the bowl blank is normally driven onto in line with the grain. You don't want your mandrels splitting do you? Similar round mandrels are known to be used on medieval lathes from York. Bow and spring pole lathes for example use them for turning bowls. I have books from Russia, Germany, and England showing turning waste and objects and lathe parts. What I am referring to as the beam is actually a large chunk of tree trunk with a flat bottom backed by two stakes. All adjustment is done by knocking the end of the main mandrel in the beam and tightening or loosening it with the wedge. For metal lathes a 60 degree point is generally used. That would not be a bad point in the case of this little lathe. If you have a half inch drill and a grinder you could put a half inch piece of steel rod into the drill chuck and rotate it against the grinder to make the conical ends. Use eye protection and be patient. The other ends could then be driven into a half inch holes several inches deep. If it were me I would use a mallet or a board and not hammer the mandrel points with a hardened hammer and dull them. You would need to pre hole the turning blank and the upright post at the end of the round mandrel. Given the primitive circumstances the holes wouldn't have to be perfect, just centered. There are drill bits made for drilling these holes for mounting on lathes. Ask at a machinery supply house like Enco or MSC - Manhattan Supply company. In fact you can buy some lathe centers for less than $10 each from Enco. Usually these fit Morse Tapered Holes. #1 is the smallest size, #2 is generally used. #3 and up are for larger metal lathes. They both sell tool steel if you care to grind or forge your own tool bits. If I were starting out I'd simply buy some Sears turning chisels and re-handle them for this application in a longer handle. In the case of the nomad it was held under his arm and shoulder. The medieval turner would have axed the corners off his blanks wherever possible. All you need to cut anything is something harder with a sharp edge. Turning chisels and gouges are available from Sears quite cheaply although for this application you would want to put them in a longer handle with a steel ferrule or ring at the end to keep them from splitting. Rings could be made of steel pipe couplings or if you have access to a pipe cutter pieces of steel pipe cut to length. For the turning mandrel I would use 3" diameter steel. The larger the diameter the easier it is going to be to twist it back and forth. If you hook the turning mandrel up to a motor and it cold cocks you or someone else don't come crying to me. These things aren't meant to operate at motorized revolutions per minute. Wear eye protection and gloves. Master Magnus Malleus, OL, GDH, Atlantia © 2003 R.M. Howe *No reposting my writings to usenet newsgroups, especially rec.org.sca, or the SCA-Universitas elist. I view this as violating copyright restrictions. As long as it's to reenactor or SCA -closed- subscriber based email lists or individuals I don't mind. It's meant to help people without aggravating me.* Inclusion, in the http://www.Florilegium.org, Atenveldt MoAS newsletter, or Regia’s Chronicle as always is permitted. It generally helps if you want to ask me a question to put an * in front of the subject line. I read by list, not by date generally and I never catch up. There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 08:18:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:18:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <003101c33569$e13b3d60$69238751@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C33572.3FEC4AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sprang has been found in viking and anglo-dane contexts, not sure about = saxon ones but you will get a better answer from Hazel Uzzell later. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia ; Mead-Hall=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:52 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Is Sprang appropriate to Anglo-Saxons, Anglo-Danes or Vikings between = 850 & 1066? 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sprang has been found in viking and = anglo-dane=20 contexts, not sure about saxon ones but you will get a better answer = from Hazel=20 Uzzell later.
vara
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C33572.3FEC4AE0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 08:33:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:33:12 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <09cb01c3356b$dfa8f2b0$85551e3e@kim1> I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or is that a different thread? ;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn. "When three or more are involved, the culprit will frequently escape punishment" Laws of Hammurabi, 1780BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: "Regia" ; "Mead-Hall" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:52 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Is Sprang appropriate to Anglo-Saxons, Anglo-Danes or Vikings between 850 & 1066? Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 10:17:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:17:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mostly incomprehensible In-Reply-To: <002101c33534$94efc960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <20030618091743.74410.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1438072671-1055927863=:73843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Disavo = this afternoon in scouse mik J Hill wrote: Mik: What is disavo? Jennifer on the American side of the pond To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1438072671-1055927863=:73843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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--0-1438072671-1055927863=:73843-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 13:32:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang In-Reply-To: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030618080735.024847f8@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Ælfgifu wrote: >Is Sprang appropriate to Anglo-Saxons, Anglo-Danes or Vikings between 850 >& 1066? While there is a great deal of sprang from northern Europe in earlier periods, it is quite difficult to document in this period, actually. I haven't seen anything to indicate it's an Anglo-Saxon phenomenon, either. For Viking, there are a few fragments from Birka, even fewer fragments from a Scottish burial, and a bit of patterned silk sprang (perhaps a hairnet?) from Dublin. (There's a piece from Gotland I think might be sprang, but I haven't seen any analysis of it yet.) There's not enough evidence to determine what any of them were used for. Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's oval brooch. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 15:02:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:02:21 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Authenticity Regulations Message-ID: Dear all in email land. The subject of Authenticity regs has come up recently - so I thought I would weigh in (having something of an interest in the topic....) In fact I would have responded earlier, bu my boss has got me doing remedial packing for having demonstrated a flicker of initiative. /,-( Please note - although the e-group is a wonderful forum for those who are on it, most of the membership are not - so I have been resisting the temptation to rattle on about Authenticicty regs here. However, hopefully Kim will be able to cut this around so that a version can appear in Chronicle which will reach all the members. Wether they read it or not is up to them. On the Authenticity Regulations. 1) On consulatation. We are a society of volunteers. People do this hobby because they enjoy it, and they want to feel that they have a say in what goes on. However, committees are poor things for making a decision. Thus, in formulating a new set of regulations, ideas must be put forward for examination. After consulation, I must make the decision as to what the actual policy should be. Previous experience seems to indicate that _someone_ will feel left out, but I will do my best to talk to as many people as possible. 2) On Mis-consultation. The problem with this is that people will take ideas put out to consultation and say "have you seen what 'they' are about to do/ban/allow? Well, the message is that there is no "they" - it's just me. If you don't like what you see, then let me know - it may never happen. However, it might, and you may have to learn to live with it. It is not possible to please everyone at once, and we all (myself included) must live by the same rules. What I will try to do is make the regulations as transparent as possible. You may not like the reason for a rule - but at least you will know why it is in place. Just to repeat, though, an idea is not a rule. 3) What the regulations are about. It is not the job of the regulations to cover "What is and is not authentic". The reason for this is quite simple - it is impossible. Part of the regs will deal with "what authenticity is", and hopefully a framework for evidence and reconstruction will be set up so that we can keep advancing our standards. Other parts of the regs will deal with the administration of authenticity - which probably sounds quite dull. It is - until it goes wrong, when everyone gets confused, angry and upset. It is in fact a vital part of communicating with the membership, and recieving communication back. There will of course, be "simple" rules in there, such as the blazingly obvious ("no half kit" and the like), and I suspect that there may be "kit stereotypes" so that beginners have a simple place to start. However, the regulations are a framework upon which authenticity can be grown. The "real" work is in the handbook 4) The handbook. We had one of these, years ago. It's still pretty good, but in the eleven years since it was last published we've learnt a lot more and found out a lot more. I can remember what we looked like then, and we look a hell of a lot better now. The handbook (when you see it) will not be a vast tome, covering nearly everything under the sun between single covers, but a series of books, covering individual topics. Not only does this mean that we can go to press on the finished bits without having to wait for everything to be complete, but we can revise individual sections when we find out new material. Thus the hanbook becomes an orgainic thing, able to change and grow. When we stop getting better, we die. Thus the handbook is an adjunct to the regulations - I suspect that the urgency production of sections of the handbook will depend on how often the regs say "refer to the handbook for further information on this". I am collecting a team of people to help me with this, and other matters - and to whom thanks will be due for this huge task. 5) The bottom line. At the end of the day, all the rules and regulations are there to help. It is down to the Officer at the show (me, a deputy, my successor) to say, on that day, what is right or wrong. The regulations are there to help us to improve - we should not be improving just to obey as set of regulations. It's up to all of us to get it right - as near as we can, based on the facts. Sometimes opinions will vary. Sometimes, a choice will have to be made. It's the job of the AO to make that choice. As Kim used to say: Onwards and upwards - and perhaps a little bit outwards as well ;-) Steve Message context. >From: "Kate Dudman" >You wrote: Please note that things such as this will eventually be collected into the Authenticity regs. >Any chance of the wider membership being involved and consulted before >anything is fixed and compulsory? > >Involving the membership in the process of putting the latest training regs >appeared to have benefits and worked well with no apparant fundamental ill >will. This is different some perceptions of the LHE regs which were issued >as they stood and were not open to change or feedback. >At the end of the day it is wise and a very much a courtesy to involve the >membership as it is their society and they are the ones that will have to >live with these regs. Let alone anyone that may be put on the spot to >enforce something that turns out to be unwelcome or unworkable. > >Cheers, > >Kate > > In a message dated 6/13/2003 10:32:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, brock.gwyddel@virgin.net writes: >This is different some perceptions of the LHE regs which were issued >as they stood and were not open to change or feedback. > That's funny.... I was the one wot did it - and I'm sure I remember initiating nearly a year of debate, issuing draft regs, and changing some as a result of feedback...... Not to mention the fact that they were written down in response to popular demand to have something which did for the LHE what the MAA regs do for the military - namely let everyone know what is expected of them before they spend hard-earned cash on expensive and/or embarrassing mistakes. Aly As the one who helped Aly formulate the LHE regs I agree with what she says here. When they were first written it was as a draft to bring before the Witan so that they could be debated properly. But - like many things, someone decided (in their mind) that they had been written as a fait accompli and immediately started a hot debate on the e-group. Many hours of careful thought went into them before they were in a form that could be presented to the Witan, and several people with an interest in the LHE were also consulted. The result was three things. A one page article to let prospective LHE people know what would be expected of them, secondly the full LHE regulations, and thirdly the Regia LHE e-group was set up especially to debate these issues!. As Aly said, they were written (I am wrong there, they were re-written as there were a set of regulations still in force) for those members who wanted to know what they needed and what was expected of an LHE member of the Society. As we said in the regulations, the LHE is the "Up-close face of Regia" . The part the public view in detail and we wanted to make sure that what we demonstrate, and what we look like is the best possible, and the most authentic that we could produce. There was actually only a small part of the regulations that caused any controversy! Ian Uzzell Debate and consultation are both healthy and helpful when an officer is trying to formulate a set of regulations. However, there comes a time when the talking must cease and the words be written. At the end of the day the officer in charge has the ultimate responsibility and final say on all rules new and old. These officers are elected by the membership to do a job, it is only logical that from time to time a rule/way of thinking will come around that people will not agree with. Remember policy is made with the interest of regia as a whole foremost in the officers mind. It is not done to alienate a group of people (small or large), it is done to improve the society. It is for this reason the Regia is the best at what it does. Where we lead others follow, it is not by accident that we have the best LHE around. Neither is it an accident that our kit standards are far higher than any other SSS. Should the authenticity officer decide to ban kit or introduce/encourage a new way of wearing an item of kit, then so long as his evidence is sound we can debate it till the cows come home, it will make no difference it will become policy. And if it helps improve Regia then that is no bad thing. Or the LHE co-ordinator bring out a rule some disagree with well that is life. Take parliament, we don't all agree with government policy but we have to accept it, and trust that those in power, will in general, have our best interests at heart. Cheers Pat _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 17:40:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:40:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <003101c33569$e13b3d60$69238751@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <003b01c335b8$47451470$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I = should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. = :>) AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving... Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would you = mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private email = address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net . Thanks = bunches. Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Vara!  I do expect us to = have some=20 Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order to = be able=20 to teach it to them.  :>)
AFTER, I find a human way to warp those = miserable=20 cards for weaving...
Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent = me am email=20 on that?  Would you mind if I ask you lots of questions?  = Please send=20 me yr private email address, if that is ok.  Mine is:  welshladygwen@citlink.net = .. =20 Thanks bunches.  Jennifer

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 18:38:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <000a01c3353c$58af9e00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <003101c33569$e13b3d60$69238751@m1w9d8> <003b01c335b8$47451470$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <000b01c335c0$61ce2a40$b4987ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was me hrolf@btinternet.com please feel free to email at any time. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I = should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. = :>) AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving... Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would = you mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private = email address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net .. = Thanks bunches. Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was me
hrolf@btinternet.com
please feel free to email at any = time.
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 = 5:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = sprang

Thanks, Vara!  I do expect us to = have some=20 Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order = to be=20 able to teach it to them.  :>)
AFTER, I find a human way to warp = those miserable=20 cards for weaving...
Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who = sent me am=20 email on that?  Would you mind if I ask you lots of = questions? =20 Please send me yr private email address, if that is ok.  Mine = is: =20 welshladygwen@citlink.net=20 ..  Thanks bunches.  Jennifer

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 19:17:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:37 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes Message-ID: <0a6c01c335c5$e6329550$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? = What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a = heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to = turn the shoes right side out? Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a question about = turnshoes.  Have you=20 mended the soles on yrs?  What about clump soles?  Are they a = later=20 idea?  Have you used a heavier, stiffer hide for the soles?  = Does that=20 make it impossible to turn the shoes right side out?
Jennifer, asking all too many silly=20 questions

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 20:55:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030618080735.024847f8@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c335d3$9a29fb40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Þora: What sprang item would be touching the brooch? A hairnet hanging low? Or???? Ælfgifu Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's oval brooch. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 21:09:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:28 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030618080735.024847f8@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <00ca01c335d5$860b4ea0$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's oval brooch. > That seems odd. Have you any information about where precisely...on top of, under, beside? It just seems a strange place to have anything made from sprang. Maybe a head veil as opposed to hair net?. I only know of muslin weave for possible veils. Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 23:33:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:33:35 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Message-ID: <6d.139450a9.2c2242bf@aol.com> --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM Central Daylight Time, kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or is > that a different thread? ;o)) > > Yes that's right. ;-) jen --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM Central=20= Daylight Time, kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes:


I thought sprang was the season= following winter in the Deep South - or is
that a different thread? ;o))



Yes that's right.  ;-)

jen --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 00:02:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Yolli) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:02:47 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: <0a6c01c335c5$e6329550$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <000001c335ed$bc8aa530$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jennifer, =20 Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. = I try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who will do the job I=92ll get them to do it instead. =20 If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let you down sooner than supple thick leather. =20 That=92s why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so it=92s always tricky.=20 =20 The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I recall =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles = that crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions. =20 You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be both thick and supple =96 that=92s how they were able to make their shoes the way = they did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use water when really pressed. =20 Cheers, Roll. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of J Hill Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18 To: Regia Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes =20 I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to turn the shoes right side out? Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear = Jennifer,

 

Yep I have replaced soles on shoes = for the last 20 years – I hate it. I try to avoid it wherever I can. In = fact if there is someone else who will do the job I’ll get them to do it = instead.

 

If the leather is too squashed, = then just dispose of the old sole and replace it ( if = your shoes are of an upper and lower construction – if they are one piece = then your life will be far more tricky ). The area around the hole will be pretty = thin and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my advice is to get = shot of a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then sew in the new section with = a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel stitched. This may create = a ridge which will need to be ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may = discover that the sole leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were = too tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather = will let you down sooner than supple thick leather.

 

That’s why I generally = replace soles wholesale. Even then the original upper will have stretched out of shape = from your original pattern – so it’s always tricky. =

 

The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I recall – but that’s = the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that crop up would imply that = their habit was to cut the old sole free and replace it. There are a series = from London ( slightly later ) where=A0 holes etc abound, and areas were = slashed to ease pressure on bunions.

 

You asked about heavier sole = leather. That is an option and an accurate one too. But again I must point out that = the leather must be both thick and supple – that’s how they were = able to make their shoes the way they did. You should be able to turn the = shoe dry and only use water when really pressed.

 

Cheers, = Roll.

 

 

 

 

 

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: = list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of J Hill
Sent: 18 June 2003 = 19:18
To: Regia
Subject: [Regia-NA] = shoes

 

I have a question about turnshoes.  Have you mended the soles on yrs?  What about = clump soles?  Are they a later idea?  Have you used a heavier, = stiffer hide for the soles?  Does that make it impossible to turn the shoes = right side out?

Jennifer, asking all too = many silly questions


Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u hal.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 00:36:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes References: <000001c335ed$bc8aa530$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> Message-ID: <002001c335f2$718ba200$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! It is clear & makes sense, too. Rather like knitting socks... = you generally don't want to bother w/ darning the soles, just cut it off = & re-knit. Yrs, Jennifer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Yolli=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] shoes Dear Jennifer, =20 Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years - I hate it. = I try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who = will do the job I'll get them to do it instead. =20 If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and = replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction - if = they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area = around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of = fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new = piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then = sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch = again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be = ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole = leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight, = etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let = you down sooner than supple thick leather. =20 That's why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original = upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern - so = it's always tricky.=20 =20 The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I = recall - but that's the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that = crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and = replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where = holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions. =20 You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an = accurate one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be = both thick and supple - that's how they were able to make their shoes = the way they did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use = water when really pressed. =20 Cheers, Roll. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] = On Behalf Of J Hill Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18 To: Regia Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes =20 I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? = What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a = heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to = turn the shoes right side out? Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks!  It is clear & makes = sense,=20 too.  Rather like knitting socks... you generally don't want to = bother w/=20 darning the soles, just cut it off & re-knit.  Yrs,=20 Jennifer
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Yolli
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 = 4:02=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] = shoes

Dear=20 Jennifer,

 

Yep I have = replaced=20 soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. I try to avoid it = wherever I=20 can. In fact if there is someone else who will do the job I=92ll get = them to do=20 it instead.

 

If the = leather is too=20 squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and replace it (=20 if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if = they are one=20 piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area around the = hole will=20 be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my = advice is=20 to get shot of a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe = re-turned=20 ( better done wet in some cases ) then sew = in the new=20 section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel = stitched.=20 This may create a ridge which will need to be ironed out with a = mallet. At=20 this point you may discover that the sole leather was worse than you = suspected=20 or the stitches were too tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything = regarding=20 shoes. Crumby leather will let you down sooner than supple thick=20 leather.

 

That=92s = why I=20 generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original upper will = have=20 stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so it=92s always = tricky.=20

 

The latchet = shoe from=20 Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as = I recall=20 =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that = crop up=20 would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and replace = it.=20 There are a series from London (=20 slightly later ) where =20 holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on=20 bunions.

 

You asked = about=20 heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate one too. But = again I=20 must point out that the leather must be both thick and supple =96 = that=92s how=20 they were able to make their shoes the way they did. You should be = able to=20 turn the shoe dry and only use water when really=20 pressed.

 

Cheers,=20 Roll.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] = On Behalf Of J Hill
Sent: 18 June 2003 = 19:18
To: Regia
Subject: [Regia-NA]=20 shoes

 

I have a question about=20 turnshoes.  Have you mended the soles on yrs?  What about = clump=20 soles?  Are they a later idea?  Have you used a heavier, = stiffer=20 hide for the soles?  Does that make it impossible to turn the = shoes right=20 side out?

Jennifer, asking all too = many=20 silly questions


Jennifer=20 Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 hal.

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 02:51:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang In-Reply-To: <6d.139450a9.2c2242bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030618214609.025af008@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Jen wrote: >>I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or is >>that a different thread? ;o)) > >Yes that's right. ;-) Different thread, and somewhat different pronunciation from the part of the Deep South (northern Alabama) in which I grew up, for that matter. Locally, it was pronounced more like "sprei[nj]," with a swallowed "g." "Sprang" (as in the past tense of the English verb "spring," as opposed to its actual Scandinavian pronunciations) sounds to me almost more like West Virginia or Pennsylvania.... Oh, wait. Was that a joke? ;} Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 03:01:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:01:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: <0a6c01c335c5$e6329550$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: Heavier or stiffer than what? I have used 10-12oz leather sole which is=20= right stiff with a 4oz upper. You need to soak it in cold water for a=20 looooong time and turn it patiently but it can be done. Even on a size=20= 8EEE with a 1 piece upper. Wear them proudly around the house while=20 soaking wet and they will stretch and shrink to become like a second=20 skin only tougher. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 02:17 PM, J Hill wrote: > I have a question about turnshoes.=A0 Have you mended the soles on = yrs?=A0=20 > What about clump soles?=A0 Are they a later idea?=A0 Have you used a=20= > heavier, stiffer hide for the soles?=A0 Does that make it impossible = to=20 > turn the shoes right side out? > Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 02:58:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:58:31 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030618214609.025af008@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <001701c33606$49422080$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> No, 'twasn't I who wrote about "Sprang" being the season following winter in the Deep South altho' I had a good laugh. It reminded me of going East from NV to VA where the auto attendant at the gas station [yes, it was a LONG time ago!] asked a question about "oll". We need that dictionary of dialects! Ælfgifu Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 03:06:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes References: Message-ID: <002501c33607$623a8860$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Ahhh. I was thinking heavier than the upper. :>) It looks like you've gone WAY heavier than the upper! I'm not sure my hands could manage the 10-12 oz leather, but I'll try the shrink while wet trick. I know I've used that to stretch leather boots... it's a rare pair which need to be shrunk... I have that extra wide foot, too. Jennifer Wulfhere wrote: Heavier or stiffer than what? I have used 10-12oz leather sole which is right stiff with a 4oz upper. You need to soak it in cold water for a looooong time and turn it patiently but it can be done. Even on a size 8EEE with a 1 piece upper. Wear them proudly around the house while soaking wet and they will stretch and shrink to become like a second skin only tougher. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 03:26:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Garden plants References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <3EF11F3F.3080804@bellsouth.net> J Hill wrote: > Hi, everyone. My daughter in law - a MAJOR force in getting our local > group together - would like to get more info on herbs & medicine, as > well as kitchen gardens. > Is there anyone out there who could help her out? > HER address is: mom6882@yahoo.com . > I do so appreciate it! Ælfgifu > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. I generally buy my wife most of her garden books and she particularly loves ancient and medieval garden books. She's too frugal to buy what she wants. I'll buy just about anything that makes her happy. Follows are two from Roman Britain she likes a lot. Both should still be in print. There is a nice book on Roman Garden plants at the Vindolanda site. My wife and some others loved it. One would tend to assume that if the Romans had it in the 400's that most of the plants would continue through Saxon times, assuming they made it through the two years of world cold in 536-7. See the book called Catastrophe. Ryley, Claire: Roman Gardens and their Plants; 1998, Sussex Archaeological Society; 56pp., 62 colour illustrations, 240mm x 170mm, ISBN 0904973166 (pb). "Here is a new and exciting look at Roman gardens and their plants. Claire Ryley has painted the broad picture of what is known of Roman Horticulture in the Western Empire. Not only does she expound the principles that were followed by the Romans in designing their gardens for produce and pleasure, but she also describes more than 100 of the plants they are known to have cultivated. Further, the book includes a list of around 300 plants used in Roman gardens." The above "comments" aren't mine. £4.95 with postage about $10. from http://www.vindolanda.com/ or £8.99 from http://www.amazon.co.uk/ Farrar, Linda: Ancient Roman Gardens; Budding Books, 2000, an imprint of Sutton Publishing Limited, Phoenix Mill, Thrup, Stroud, Glouscestershire GL5 2BU. 1998. xviii & 237 pp., 14 colour plates, Many b&w photographs and drawings of architectural details, mosaics, existing remains, garden trellises and fences, etc. Hardback, ISBN 1840151900. £25. (we paid $10 new) Where Roman Gardens and their Plants depicted many of the plants this book makes a very good companion as it is very heavily referenced on garden designs the Romans had. Contents (Roughly) (I) Historical Background - Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Hellenistic Gardens, Persian Gardens, the Etruscans. (II) Roman Housing and the Growth of the Garden - different styles. (III) Architectural Features in Roman Garden Design - Architectural components of a R. garden, the peristyle, paths, decorative fencing and trellis work; Ornamental low walls, or ballustrades, pergolas, garden seats and tables, summer dining couches, various nymphs, terraced gardens, maritime villas, gardens of large and palatial villas, hippodrome gardens, garden pavillions, rest rooms, aviaries, temples and shrines, caves and grottoes. (IV) Ornamental Pools - construction, size, depth, etc. (V) Fountains and Fountain Figures - Urn and bowl fountains, water stairs, large fountains, outlets, statues, etc. (VI) Garden Sculpture - Mostly Gods, Altars, children, atheletes, sundials. (VII) Flora and Fauna in Gardens - Kitchen plants, plants for medicines and cordials, beekeeping plants, perfume making plants, garland making plants, decorative plants, frescos used for identifying plants, archaeological evidence, fauna. (VII) Roman Gardeners, Their Tools and Horticultural Techniques. Non-residential Gardens - dining establishments, market gardens, funerary gardens,public parks, public portico gardens. (VIII) Conclusions - Survivals, features you can use to simulate a Roman garden, Table One - A Sample of Ancient Roman Garden Sites. Table Two - Garden plants mentioned by Pliny in the Natural History. Notes - 10 pages of references. Glossary - 3 pages. Bibliography - 8 pages. Index. [These are my comments I entered into my bibliography when I scanned the book for usefulness intermixed with the chapter headings.] Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 03:41:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:41:24 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology References: <2F067BFD-9D03-11D7-832D-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <3EF122D4.1060501@bellsouth.net> I gave two book listings with the bookseller's website below so someone that might be interested could buy either of the two books. That is a low price for what's in it. Usually they average closer to $30. It's a first class book if you like Anglo-Saxon stuff. I was thrilled when I got mine about eight years ago. I have most of Bruce-Mitford's books and articles with the exception of Sutton Hoo I and II. I is the ship, II is the Arms and Regalia. III #1&2, which I have is everything else. The first two are pretty rare. None are cheap. Perhaps someone bought them, but you could check http://www.zubal.com/ and see. I just got in five books from Zubal this evening myself. Two on Roman Britain, one on a Viking Game Board that was an off-print from Acta Archaeologia 1933, and one on Viking Enterprise. Oh yes, and the Russian history volume. Zubal usually has about 500 archaeology books that will come up in a search. How many more he has I can't say. Generally the prices he has are very reasonable. Magnus Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: > Magnus; > > Sorry, I can't put this in perspective. Is that E-Bay, Walmart or > Amozon or just the author and title information with incidental data? > > > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:27 PM, rmhowe wrote: > >> Happened to see these excellent books (I have one myself) >> cheaply while doing an archaeological search. >> >> Magnus >> >> Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo >> and Other Discoveries >> NY , 1964, - hardback, small, thick 4to, well illustrated, pen marks >> at for edge, else v.g.+ in jacket - Europeananthropology/archaeology >> Item Number: ZB52772 >> This selection has 1 volume. >> $14.00 >> >> Bruce-Mitford, Rupert - Aspects of Anglo-Saxon Archaeology: Sutton Hoo >> and Other Discoveries >> NY: Harper`s Magazine Press , 1964 - 1st American ed., cloth, pen >> marks to fore edge, else v.g. in v.g. d/j - anthropology archaeology >> Item Number: ZB271803 >> This selection has 1 volume. >> $14.00 >> >> >> John T. Zubal, Inc. >> info@zubal.com http://www.zubal.com/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 04:15:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ellem, Andrew) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:15:11 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes Message-ID: <81EF200C122E3E46BA3236F54F800AD4ADEC@cxcb01.asanet.prd.airservices.gov.au> Hi All, I've been asked to supply some bread for the yule feast this weekend. Rather than going with some commercial home bake blends I'd like to try some older recipes. Does anyone have any traditional yule or even some viking/saxon recipes they wouldn't mind sharing? I've tried the "barley bagels" with limited success... basically I've ended up with some slightly doughy biscuits about 3 inches in diameter and about half an inch thick... they taste nice but are a bit on the small side for a dinner for 20. Any help appreciated. Andrew Canberra, Australia.=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 05:49:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:49:57 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Message-ID: <147.14017662.2c229af5@aol.com> --part1_147.14017662.2c229af5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/18/2003 8:45:08 PM Central Daylight Time, capriest@cs.vassar.edu writes: > Oh, wait. Was that a joke? ;} > > Yes, but was heard at a river party along the Chattahoochee many years ago. "We we're here last Sprang." jen --part1_147.14017662.2c229af5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/18/2003 8:45:08 PM Central=20= Daylight Time, capriest@cs.vassar.edu writes:


Oh, wait.  Was that a joke= ? ;}



Yes, but was heard at a river party along the Chattahoochee many years ago.=20=

"We we're here last Sprang."

jen --part1_147.14017662.2c229af5_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 05:57:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:57:09 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Garden plants References: <000a01c33118$52944250$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <3EF11F3F.3080804@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000701c3361f$3d5df640$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Thank you, Magnus! I'll forward the books to her. Ælfgifu Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 06:45:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:45:21 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <147.14017662.2c229af5@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c33625$fa2d0490$fa06b1d8@olaf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33604.721DCAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My brother, Bones, is coming up to work with me latter this summer in = MA. One of his concerns is that people will make fun of his accent-I = figured I would introduce him to Thora when he starts to think he is the = only one up here with that accent. He probably was on the Chattahoochee = fishen fer Bass this weekend, down around Lake Eufaula. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spnknffork@aol.com=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang In a message dated 6/18/2003 8:45:08 PM Central Daylight Time, = capriest@cs.vassar.edu writes: Oh, wait. Was that a joke? ;} Yes, but was heard at a river party along the Chattahoochee many years = ago.=20 "We we're here last Sprang."=20 jen ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33604.721DCAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My brother, Bones, is coming up to work = with me=20 latter this summer in MA.  One of his concerns is that people will = make fun=20 of his accent-I figured I would introduce him to Thora when he starts to = think=20 he is the only one up here with that accent.  He probably was on = the=20 Chattahoochee fishen fer Bass this weekend, down around Lake=20 Eufaula.
Pax,
Olaf
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spnknffork@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 = 12:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = sprang

In a message dated 6/18/2003 8:45:08 PM Central = Daylight Time,=20 capriest@cs.vassar.edu=20 writes:


Oh, wait.  Was that a joke?=20 ;}



Yes, but was heard at a river party along the = Chattahoochee=20 many years ago.

"We we're here last Sprang." =

jen=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C33604.721DCAB0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 08:23:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:23:18 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes References: <81EF200C122E3E46BA3236F54F800AD4ADEC@cxcb01.asanet.prd.airservices.gov.au> Message-ID: <004001c33633$a91d2f40$42887ad5@m1w9d8> the secret is in the flour.can you get a whole grain or malted strong flour? try mixing with english type ale instead of water try adding cinnamon and ginger as well as dried fruits. For later medeaval decorate with edible gold or silver. The Viking 'good stuff' was with flour that had been passed through muslin to get out he bits. For christmas I add spices, including cloves, lots of butter and even eggs into the mix. yeast ,liquid, salt, and a touch of either sugar or honey. Don't use a sugar replacment as it doesn't feed the yeast. knead well..best done in a bad mood and leave to rise before knocking back, reneading and leaving to rise a second time before baking vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellem, Andrew" To: Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes Hi All, I've been asked to supply some bread for the yule feast this weekend. Rather than going with some commercial home bake blends I'd like to try some older recipes. Does anyone have any traditional yule or even some viking/saxon recipes they wouldn't mind sharing? I've tried the "barley bagels" with limited success... basically I've ended up with some slightly doughy biscuits about 3 inches in diameter and about half an inch thick... they taste nice but are a bit on the small side for a dinner for 20. Any help appreciated. Andrew Canberra, Australia. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 05:37:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: <002501c33607$623a8860$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: It's not so bad. I used an edge-flesh seam to join the upper and sole. I used an awl much like a bee stinger. short, sharp and curved with a 1/2 radius, wax it often. So, your never going right through the 12oz. As for the turn, agian, it's more patience than strength. If you turn a little then put it down, turn a little and put it down again, eventualy you've got it. If you try to put the gorilla grips on it and turn it by force you'll likely just tear out a seam or two. It's worth the effort because a sole like that a.) lasts, b.) blocks the bumps from your foot and c.) helps the rest of the shoe know which way is down. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:06 PM, J Hill wrote: > Ahhh. I was thinking heavier than the upper. :>) It looks like > you've > gone WAY heavier than the upper! I'm not sure my hands could manage > the > 10-12 oz leather, but I'll try the shrink while wet trick. I know > I've used > that to stretch leather boots... it's a rare pair which need to be > shrunk... > I have that extra wide foot, too. Jennifer > > Wulfhere wrote: > Heavier or stiffer than what? I have used 10-12oz leather sole which is > right stiff with a 4oz upper. You need to soak it in cold water for a > looooong time and turn it patiently but it can be done. Even on a size > 8EEE with a 1 piece upper. Wear them proudly around the house while > soaking wet and they will stretch and shrink to become like a second > skin only tougher. > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 18 20:43:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:43:41 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: <0a6c01c335c5$e6329550$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <29C12A7E-A1C5-11D7-9066-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> I made a pair of turn shoes with 4oz leather 1 piece uppers and 12oz=20 leather soles. Great stiffness on the sole. I routinely walk outdoors=20 on the gravel drive and it's not an issue. They were stiched with an=20 edge/flesh seam. So, while the shoe is inside out, your stitches go in=20= through the surface of the sole and out the side of the sole leather=20 through both faces of the upper. When you turn it, the upper leather=20 wants to double over for the sole to sit flat. 2oz leather uppers would=20= be better. This hides the stitches entirely which looks good and is=20 practical because they are not exposed to abrasion. Yes, it is=20 difficult to turn but if you use enough cold water and are patient, you=20= can do it. I am a size 8EEE which is a pretty small shoe. As nasty as=20 it feels, wear them around immediately after turning while still very=20 wet and they will stretch and shrink to fit your feet. I wear mine very=20= often as they are the most comfortable footwear I own. Do a google search for Marc Carlson at Tulsa University. He is the=20 source of any knowledge I may profess to have. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 02:17 PM, J Hill wrote: > I have a question about turnshoes.=A0 Have you mended the soles on = yrs?=A0=20 > What about clump soles?=A0 Are they a later idea?=A0 Have you used a=20= > heavier, stiffer hide for the soles?=A0 Does that make it impossible = to=20 > turn the shoes right side out? > Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 01:22:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Lori Rael Northon) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: list-regia-na digest, Vol 1 #483 - 8 msgs References: <20030618234701.27719.21910.Mailman@66-95-227-19.client.dsl.net> Message-ID: <001b01c335f8$d1d27ca0$a000a8c0@attbi.com> Not to complain or anything, but is it possible for people to snip the contents of the emails they are replying to down to just the pertinent little bits? And also, can people please send their emails in plain text rather than using html? I receive the digest version as do others I'm sure, and it is mostly coming through as a bunch of garbage pasted onto another bunch of garbage. Repeat that several times and you get to wade through lots of garbage just to get to the good stuff. 8^) Not that I'm complaining or anything . . . much . . . well . . . I guess I am complaining. It makes it pretty hard to sort out the relevant information. Take a look below at what came through in the last digest so you understand what I'm talking about. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: list-regia-na digest, Vol 1 #483 - 8 msgs > Send list-regia-na mailing list submissions to > list-regia-na@lig.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-regia-na-request@lig.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-regia-na-admin@lig.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of list-regia-na digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sprang (J Hill) > 2. Re: sprang (Hrolf Douglasson) > 3. shoes (J Hill) > 4. Re: sprang (J Hill) > 5. Re: sprang (Hazel Uzzell) > 6. Re: sprang (Spnknffork@aol.com) > 7. RE: shoes (Yolli) > 8. Re: shoes (J Hill) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "J Hill" > To: > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:40:07 -0700 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I = > should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. = > :>) > AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving... > Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would you = > mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private email = > address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net . Thanks = > bunches. Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
Thanks, Vara!  I do expect us to = > have some=20 > Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order to = > be able=20 > to teach it to them.  :>)
>
AFTER, I find a human way to warp those = > miserable=20 > cards for weaving...
>
Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent = > me am email=20 > on that?  Would you mind if I ask you lots of questions?  = > Please send=20 > me yr private email address, if that is ok.  Mine is:  href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">welshladygwen@citlink.net = > .. =20 > Thanks bunches.  Jennifer
>

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = > =F0u=20 > hal.
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3357D.9A92EC50-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Hrolf Douglasson" > To: > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:38:05 +0100 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > It was me > hrolf@btinternet.com > please feel free to email at any time. > vara > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: J Hill=20 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > > > Thanks, Vara! I do expect us to have some Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I = > should learn this technique in order to be able to teach it to them. = > :>) > AFTER, I find a human way to warp those miserable cards for weaving... > Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who sent me am email on that? Would = > you mind if I ask you lots of questions? Please send me yr private = > email address, if that is ok. Mine is: welshladygwen@citlink.net .. = > Thanks bunches. Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
It was me
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href=3D"mailto:hrolf@btinternet.com">hrolf@btinternet.com > >
please feel free to email at any = > time.
>
vara
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> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black">From:=20 > href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">J=20 > Hill
> >
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 = > 5:40=20 > PM
>
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] = > sprang
>

>
Thanks, Vara!  I do expect us to = > have some=20 > Vikings & Anglo-Danes, so I should learn this technique in order = > to be=20 > able to teach it to them.  :>)
>
AFTER, I find a human way to warp = > those miserable=20 > cards for weaving...
>
Was it you or Hazel [or both?] who = > sent me am=20 > email on that?  Would you mind if I ask you lots of = > questions? =20 > Please send me yr private email address, if that is ok.  Mine = > is: =20 > href=3D"mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net">welshladygwen@citlink.net=20 > ..  Thanks bunches.  Jennifer
>

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = > =F0u=20 > hal.
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C335C8.C1F81C20-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "J Hill" > To: "Regia" > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:37 -0700 > Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? = > What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a = > heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to = > turn the shoes right side out? > Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I have a question about = > turnshoes.  Have you=20 > mended the soles on yrs?  What about clump soles?  Are they a = > later=20 > idea?  Have you used a heavier, stiffer hide for the soles?  = > Does that=20 > make it impossible to turn the shoes right side out?
>
Jennifer, asking all too many silly=20 > questions
>

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = > =F0u=20 > hal.
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C3358B.39721550-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "J Hill" > To: > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:41 -0700 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Þora: What sprang item would be touching the brooch? A hairnet hanging > low? Or???? Ælfgifu > > > Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's > oval brooch. > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Hazel Uzzell" > To: > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:09:28 +0100 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Placement provides the only real clue: most were touching a woman's oval > brooch. > > > > That seems odd. Have you any information about where precisely...on top of, > under, beside? It just seems a strange place to have anything made from > sprang. Maybe a head veil as opposed to hair net?. I only know of muslin > weave for possible veils. > Cheers, > Hazel > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: Spnknffork@aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:33:35 EDT > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM Central Daylight Time, > kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > > > > I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or is > > that a different thread? ;o)) > > > > > > Yes that's right. ;-) > > jen > > --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/18/2003 2:34:38 AM Central=20= > Daylight Time, kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk writes:
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> that a different thread? ;o))
>
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> Yes that's right.  ;-)
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> jen > > --part1_6d.139450a9.2c2242bf_boundary-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Yolli" > To: > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] shoes > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:02:47 +0100 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Dear Jennifer, > =20 > Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. = > I > try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who > will do the job I=92ll get them to do it instead. > =20 > If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and > replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if > they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area > around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of > fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new > piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then > sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch > again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be > ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole > leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight, > etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let > you down sooner than supple thick leather. > =20 > That=92s why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original > upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so > it=92s always tricky.=20 > =20 > The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I > recall =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles = > that > crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and > replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where > holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions. > =20 > You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate > one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be both thick > and supple =96 that=92s how they were able to make their shoes the way = > they > did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use water when > really pressed. > =20 > Cheers, Roll. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] > On Behalf Of J Hill > Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18 > To: Regia > Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes > =20 > I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? > What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a > heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to > turn the shoes right side out? > Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > name=3D"City"/> > namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > name=3D"place"/> > > > > > > style=3D'tab-interval:36.0pt'> > >
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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear = > Jennifer,

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yep I have replaced soles on shoes = > for the > last 20 years – I hate it. I try to avoid it wherever I can. In = > fact if > there is someone else who will do the job I’ll get them to do it = > instead.

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the leather is too squashed, = > then just > dispose of the old sole and replace it ( if = > your shoes > are of an upper and lower construction – if they are one piece = > then your > life will be far more tricky ). The area around the hole will be pretty = > thin > and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my advice is to get = > shot of > a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe re-turned class=3DGramE>( > better done wet in some cases ) then sew in the new section with = > a whip > tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel stitched. This may create = > a ridge > which will need to be ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may = > discover > that the sole leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were = > too > tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather = > will let > you down sooner than supple thick leather.

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s why I generally = > replace soles > wholesale. Even then the original upper will have stretched out of shape = > from > your original pattern – so it’s always tricky. = >

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The latchet shoe from class=3DSpellE>Jorvik > demonstrates a clump in the heel as I recall – but that’s = > the only > instance I can recall. The holed soles that crop up would imply that = > their > habit was to cut the old sole free and replace it. There are a series = > from size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; > color:navy'>London color=3Dnavy face=3DArial> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; > color:navy'> ( slightly later ) where style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 holes etc abound, and areas were = > slashed to > ease pressure on bunions.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You asked about heavier sole = > leather. That > is an option and an accurate one too. But again I must point out that = > the > leather must be both thick and supple – that’s how they were = > able > to make their shoes the way they did. You should be able to turn the = > shoe dry > and only use water when really pressed.

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers, = > Roll.

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face=3DTahoma> lang=3DEN-US = > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>---= > --Original > Message-----
> From: = > list-regia-na-admin@lig.net > [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On > Behalf Of J Hill
> Sent: 18 June 2003 = > 19:18
> To: Regia
> Subject: [Regia-NA] = > shoes

> >

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> >

face=3DArial> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a question about > turnshoes.  Have you mended the soles on yrs?  What about = > clump > soles?  Are they a later idea?  Have you used a heavier, = > stiffer hide > for the soles?  Does that make it impossible to turn the shoes = > right side > out?

> >
> >
> >

face=3DArial> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jennifer, asking all too = > many silly > questions

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> Jennifer Hill
> =C6lfgifu
> Wes =F0u hal.

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> > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C335F6.1E5093D0-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "J Hill" > To: > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] shoes > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:36:29 -0700 > Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thanks! It is clear & makes sense, too. Rather like knitting socks... = > you generally don't want to bother w/ darning the soles, just cut it off = > & re-knit. Yrs, Jennifer > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Yolli=20 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:02 PM > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] shoes > > > Dear Jennifer, > > =20 > > Yep I have replaced soles on shoes for the last 20 years - I hate it. = > I try to avoid it wherever I can. In fact if there is someone else who = > will do the job I'll get them to do it instead. > > =20 > > If the leather is too squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and = > replace it ( if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction - if = > they are one piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area = > around the hole will be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of = > fine grit. So my advice is to get shot of a fair area and insert a new = > piece. With the shoe re-turned ( better done wet in some cases ) then = > sew in the new section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch = > again tunnel stitched. This may create a ridge which will need to be = > ironed out with a mallet. At this point you may discover that the sole = > leather was worse than you suspected or the stitches were too tight, = > etc, etc. Quality is everything regarding shoes. Crumby leather will let = > you down sooner than supple thick leather. > > =20 > > That's why I generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original = > upper will have stretched out of shape from your original pattern - so = > it's always tricky.=20 > > =20 > > The latchet shoe from Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as I = > recall - but that's the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that = > crop up would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and = > replace it. There are a series from London ( slightly later ) where = > holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on bunions. > > =20 > > You asked about heavier sole leather. That is an option and an = > accurate one too. But again I must point out that the leather must be = > both thick and supple - that's how they were able to make their shoes = > the way they did. You should be able to turn the shoe dry and only use = > water when really pressed. > > =20 > > Cheers, Roll. > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] = > On Behalf Of J Hill > Sent: 18 June 2003 19:18 > To: Regia > Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes > > =20 > > I have a question about turnshoes. Have you mended the soles on yrs? = > What about clump soles? Are they a later idea? Have you used a = > heavier, stiffer hide for the soles? Does that make it impossible to = > turn the shoes right side out? > > Jennifer, asking all too many silly questions > > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20 > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C335F6.1CEB1060" = > rel=3DFile-List> name=3D"City"=20 > namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> ype> name=3D"place"=20 > namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> ype> > > > link=3Dblue=20 > bgColor=3Dwhite> >
Thanks!  It is clear & makes = > sense,=20 > too.  Rather like knitting socks... you generally don't want to = > bother w/=20 > darning the soles, just cut it off & re-knit.  Yrs,=20 > Jennifer
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> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black">From:=20 > href=3D"mailto:yolli@lineone.net">Yolli > >
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear=20 > Jennifer,

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yep I have = > replaced=20 > soles on shoes for the last 20 years =96 I hate it. I try to avoid it = > wherever I=20 > can. In fact if there is someone else who will do the job I=92ll get = > them to do=20 > it instead.

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the = > leather is too=20 > squashed, then just dispose of the old sole and replace it class=3DGramE>(=20 > if your shoes are of an upper and lower construction =96 if = > they are one=20 > piece then your life will be far more tricky ). The area around the = > hole will=20 > be pretty thin and the leather will also be full of fine grit. So my = > advice is=20 > to get shot of a fair area and insert a new piece. With the shoe = > re-turned=20 > ( better done wet in some cases ) then sew = > in the new=20 > section with a whip tunnel stitch or a saddle stitch again tunnel = > stitched.=20 > This may create a ridge which will need to be ironed out with a = > mallet. At=20 > this point you may discover that the sole leather was worse than you = > suspected=20 > or the stitches were too tight, etc, etc. Quality is everything = > regarding=20 > shoes. Crumby leather will let you down sooner than supple thick=20 > leather.

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That=92s = > why I=20 > generally replace soles wholesale. Even then the original upper will = > have=20 > stretched out of shape from your original pattern =96 so it=92s always = > tricky.=20 >

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The latchet = > shoe from=20 > Jorvik demonstrates a clump in the heel as = > I recall=20 > =96 but that=92s the only instance I can recall. The holed soles that = > crop up=20 > would imply that their habit was to cut the old sole free and replace = > it.=20 > There are a series from face=3DArial=20 > color=3Dnavy size=3D2> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial">London face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> class=3DGramE>(=20 > slightly later ) where =20 > holes etc abound, and areas were slashed to ease pressure on=20 > bunions.

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You asked = > about=20 > heavier sole leather. That is an option and an accurate one too. But = > again I=20 > must point out that the leather must be both thick and supple =96 = > that=92s how=20 > they were able to make their shoes the way they did. You should be = > able to=20 > turn the shoe dry and only use water when really=20 > pressed.

>

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>

style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers,=20 > Roll.

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From:=20 > list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] = > style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of J Hill
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: 18 June 2003 = > 19:18
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: Regia
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size=3D2> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a question about=20 > turnshoes.  Have you mended the soles on yrs?  What about = > clump=20 > soles?  Are they a later idea?  Have you used a heavier, = > stiffer=20 > hide for the soles?  Does that make it impossible to turn the = > shoes right=20 > side out?

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size=3D2> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jennifer, asking all too = > many=20 > silly questions

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> > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C335B7.C4BF1410-- > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > End of list-regia-na Digest From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 19 23:35:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ogham Alphabet Message-ID: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/ogham.htm Ogham Origin The Ogham alphabet is thought to be named after the Irish god Ogma. One theory of its origins is that it evolved out of a system of tallies used for accounting. About 500 Ogham inscriptions have been found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England dating from between the 4th and 7th centuries AD. There are inscriptions in archaic forms of Gaelic and Pictish, which have not been deciphered. A handful of inscriptions featuring the Ogham script and the Latin alphabet have also been found. While all surviving traces of Ogham are inscriptions on stone, it was probably more commonly inscribed on sticks, stakes and trees. Inscriptions generally take the form of somebody's name and the name of a place and were probably used to mark boundaries. An Ogham-like inscription known as the Horse Creek Petroglyph was discovered in the early 1980s in West Virginia, USA. Dr. Barry Fell of Harvard University believes the inscription is written in Basque, though does not explain why the Irish monks, whom he believes were responsible for the inscription, wrote it in Basque rather than Gaelic. Further information can be found at: http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/horse.html Also known as: ogham craobh, beth luis fearn or beth luis nion Notable features Each letter is named after a tree or other plant and has a number of other associations. Letters are linked together by a solid line, which represents the trunk of a tree, while the letters themselves represent branches or twigs. Ogham was usually written vertically (bottom to top) in inscriptions and horizontally (left to right) in manuscripts The Eite (feather) and Eite thuathail (reversed feather) symbols are used at the beginning and end of sentences receptively. Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 20 00:40:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (ed somers) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:40:14 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes In-Reply-To: <004001c33633$a91d2f40$42887ad5@m1w9d8> References: <81EF200C122E3E46BA3236F54F800AD4ADEC@cxcb01.asanet.prd.airservices.gov.au> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030619194014.0080d770@pop.gwi.net> Did they have cinnamon and ginger in AS times??? I know by the middle ages but I am not aware of them earlier. Ed At 08:23 AM 06/19/2003 +0100, Hrolf Douglasson wrote: >the secret is in the flour.can you get a whole grain or malted strong flour? >try mixing with english type ale instead of water >try adding cinnamon and ginger as well as dried fruits. >For later medeaval decorate with edible gold or silver. >The Viking 'good stuff' was with flour that had been passed through muslin >to get out he bits. >For christmas I add spices, including cloves, lots of butter and even eggs >into the mix. >yeast ,liquid, salt, and a touch of either sugar or honey. Don't use a sugar >replacment as it doesn't feed the yeast. >knead well..best done in a bad mood >and leave to rise before knocking back, reneading and leaving to rise a >second time before baking >vara >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ellem, Andrew" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:15 AM >Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes > > >Hi All, > >I've been asked to supply some bread for the yule feast this weekend. >Rather than going with some commercial home bake blends I'd like to try >some older recipes. Does anyone have any traditional yule or even some >viking/saxon recipes they wouldn't mind sharing? > >I've tried the "barley bagels" with limited success... basically I've >ended up with some slightly doughy biscuits about 3 inches in diameter >and about half an inch thick... they taste nice but are a bit on the >small side for a dinner for 20. > >Any help appreciated. > >Andrew >Canberra, Australia. >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 20 08:38:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:38:40 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes References: <81EF200C122E3E46BA3236F54F800AD4ADEC@cxcb01.asanet.prd.airservices.gov.au> <3.0.6.32.20030619194014.0080d770@pop.gwi.net> Message-ID: <001601c336fe$f976a040$72177ad5@m1w9d8> anne hagen..... it was here by the second century but scarcer after the fall of rome....via arabia vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed somers" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes > Did they have cinnamon and ginger in AS times??? > I know by the middle ages but I am not aware of them earlier. > Ed > > At 08:23 AM 06/19/2003 +0100, Hrolf Douglasson wrote: > >the secret is in the flour.can you get a whole grain or malted strong flour? > >try mixing with english type ale instead of water > >try adding cinnamon and ginger as well as dried fruits. > >For later medeaval decorate with edible gold or silver. > >The Viking 'good stuff' was with flour that had been passed through muslin > >to get out he bits. > >For christmas I add spices, including cloves, lots of butter and even eggs > >into the mix. > >yeast ,liquid, salt, and a touch of either sugar or honey. Don't use a sugar > >replacment as it doesn't feed the yeast. > >knead well..best done in a bad mood > >and leave to rise before knocking back, reneading and leaving to rise a > >second time before baking > >vara > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ellem, Andrew" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:15 AM > >Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes > > > > > >Hi All, > > > >I've been asked to supply some bread for the yule feast this weekend. > >Rather than going with some commercial home bake blends I'd like to try > >some older recipes. Does anyone have any traditional yule or even some > >viking/saxon recipes they wouldn't mind sharing? > > > >I've tried the "barley bagels" with limited success... basically I've > >ended up with some slightly doughy biscuits about 3 inches in diameter > >and about half an inch thick... they taste nice but are a bit on the > >small side for a dinner for 20. > > > >Any help appreciated. > > > >Andrew > >Canberra, Australia. > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 20 17:03:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:03:16 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] handbook? Message-ID: <003301c33745$7659bed0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3370A.C9A2B4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any ideas yet on the possibility of getting a new member handbook? I = understand that it is still in "process", but would love to have an idea = of when they'll be available. :>) Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3370A.C9A2B4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any ideas yet on the possibility of = getting a new=20 member handbook?  I understand that it is still in "process", but = would=20 love to have an idea of when they'll be available.  = :>)  =20 Jennifer

Jennifer Hill
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Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3370A.C9A2B4B0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 20 22:18:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help Message-ID: <000801c33771$87bd7b40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33736.DA9D9D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hazel & all the other talented ladies & gentlemen... In making my tunic, how deep are the armholes? I know they aren't set = in, but how deep should I make the openings? When you sew these, do you generally lay everything out flat & sew all = the outside seams this way? I mean... laid out in a double T formation? = [Drat! I know this isn't making sense & I don't know how to make it = any better.] Do you generally have gores front & back as well as on the sides? I cut = them out, but haven't made a seam line in the center front & back. = Should I have that seam line anyway? How wide is the fabric available = at the time? 900AD or thereabouts... Write off-list. No need to clutter it up w/ my inept descriptions! = Jennifer whose duct tape double is looking worried Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33736.DA9D9D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hazel & all the other talented = ladies &=20 gentlemen...
In making my tunic, how deep are the=20 armholes?  I know they aren't set in, but how deep should I make = the=20 openings?
When you sew these, do you generally = lay everything=20 out flat & sew all the outside seams this way?  I mean... laid = out in a=20 double T formation?  [Drat!  I know this isn't making sense = & I=20 don't know how to make it any better.]
Do you generally have gores front & = back as=20 well as on the sides?  I cut them out, but haven't made a seam line = in the=20 center front & back.  Should I have that seam line = anyway?  How=20 wide is the fabric available at the time?  900AD or=20 thereabouts...
Write off-list.  No need to = clutter it up w/=20 my inept descriptions! <G>  Jennifer whose duct tape double = is=20 looking worried

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33736.DA9D9D30-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 07:31:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (CRMayhew) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:31:12 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000801c33771$87bd7b40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3379D.2E275A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What? No set-in sleeves? --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help Hazel & all the other talented ladies & gentlemen... In making my tunic, how deep are the armholes? I know they aren't set = in, but how deep should I make the openings? When you sew these, do you generally lay everything out flat & sew all = the outside seams this way? I mean... laid out in a double T formation? = [Drat! I know this isn't making sense & I don't know how to make it = any better.] Do you generally have gores front & back as well as on the sides? I = cut them out, but haven't made a seam line in the center front & back. = Should I have that seam line anyway? How wide is the fabric available = at the time? 900AD or thereabouts... Write off-list. No need to clutter it up w/ my inept descriptions! = Jennifer whose duct tape double is looking worried Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3379D.2E275A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What?  No set-in = sleeves?
 
--charlotte mayhew
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 = 5:18 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing = help

Hazel & all the other talented = ladies &=20 gentlemen...
In making my tunic, how deep are the=20 armholes?  I know they aren't set in, but how deep should I make = the=20 openings?
When you sew these, do you generally = lay=20 everything out flat & sew all the outside seams this way?  I = mean...=20 laid out in a double T formation?  [Drat!  I know this isn't = making=20 sense & I don't know how to make it any better.]
Do you generally have gores front = & back as=20 well as on the sides?  I cut them out, but haven't made a seam = line in=20 the center front & back.  Should I have that seam line = anyway? =20 How wide is the fabric available at the time?  900AD or=20 thereabouts...
Write off-list.  No need to = clutter it up w/=20 my inept descriptions! <G>  Jennifer whose duct tape double = is=20 looking worried

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3379D.2E275A70-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 08:08:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:08:27 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000801c33771$87bd7b40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <001101c337c3$eb079940$5e1c7ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C337CC.4B40CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gores at sides...no evidence for front and back ones I make my arm holes about a hand bigger than the arm pit about 4 inches No charlotte, no fancy tailoring yet the order I sew in is 1 shoulder seam..if you haven't cut in one 2 sleeve top seam 3 from wrist to hem in one seam 4 neck facing material about 30inches wide at the time...wide enough for front and = back. I cheat like mad and machine stitch all the hidden seams..there are five = sets of kit to make for my family and the kids will grow:) I put ths on list as others seemed interested hope this helps. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CRMayhew=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sewing help What? No set-in sleeves? --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help Hazel & all the other talented ladies & gentlemen... In making my tunic, how deep are the armholes? I know they aren't = set in, but how deep should I make the openings? When you sew these, do you generally lay everything out flat & sew = all the outside seams this way? I mean... laid out in a double T = formation? [Drat! I know this isn't making sense & I don't know how to = make it any better.] Do you generally have gores front & back as well as on the sides? I = cut them out, but haven't made a seam line in the center front & back. = Should I have that seam line anyway? How wide is the fabric available = at the time? 900AD or thereabouts... Write off-list. No need to clutter it up w/ my inept descriptions! = Jennifer whose duct tape double is looking worried Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C337CC.4B40CD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gores at sides...no evidence for front = and back=20 ones
I make my arm holes about a hand bigger = than the=20 arm pit about 4 inches
No charlotte, no fancy tailoring = yet
the order I sew in is
1 shoulder seam..if you haven't cut in=20 one
2 sleeve top seam
3 from wrist to hem in one = seam
4 neck facing
material about 30inches wide at the = time...wide=20 enough for front and back.
I cheat like mad and machine stitch all = the hidden=20 seams..there are five sets of kit to make for my family and the kids = will=20 grow:)
I put ths on list as others seemed=20 interested
hope this helps.
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 CRMayhew=20
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 = 7:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sewing = help

What?  No set-in = sleeves?
 
--charlotte mayhew
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 = 5:18=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing = help

Hazel & all the other talented = ladies &=20 gentlemen...
In making my tunic, how deep are = the=20 armholes?  I know they aren't set in, but how deep should I = make the=20 openings?
When you sew these, do you = generally lay=20 everything out flat & sew all the outside seams this way?  = I=20 mean... laid out in a double T formation?  [Drat!  I know = this=20 isn't making sense & I don't know how to make it any=20 better.]
Do you generally have gores front = & back as=20 well as on the sides?  I cut them out, but haven't made a seam = line in=20 the center front & back.  Should I have that seam line=20 anyway?  How wide is the fabric available at the time?  = 900AD or=20 thereabouts...
Write off-list.  No need to = clutter it up=20 w/ my inept descriptions! <G>  Jennifer whose duct tape = double is=20 looking worried

Jennifer = Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C337CC.4B40CD60-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 09:52:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Linda Rice) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:52:43 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help In-Reply-To: <001101c337c3$eb079940$5e1c7ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Thank you Vara!! Yes, even the simplest things are interesting, and I don't consider it to be list 'clutter' at all. ;o> This list is generally pretty low-volume anyway.=20 It's interesting to see how people approach the same tasks a little differently. I like to sew the front to the back at the shoulder, and then do the necklines while the piece can lie flat, since they give me the most trouble. I'm with you, I machine most of the construction seams, and then do the finish seam by hand. I just have too much volume to do every piece 100% by hand, although I do have several kirtles and aprons that I've done, usually while sitting and talking at an event. I think it's funny how people get so fascinated by somebody mending a shirt. ;o> Pax, ::Linda:: Happy Solstice! -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of Hrolf Douglasson Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:08 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sewing help Gores at sides...no evidence for front and back ones I make my arm holes about a hand bigger than the arm pit about 4 inches No charlotte, no fancy tailoring yet the order I sew in is 1 shoulder seam..if you haven't cut in one 2 sleeve top seam 3 from wrist to hem in one seam 4 neck facing material about 30inches wide at the time...wide enough for front and back. I cheat like mad and machine stitch all the hidden seams..there are five sets of kit to make for my family and the kids will grow:) I put ths on list as others seemed interested hope this helps. vara =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help Hazel & all the other talented ladies & gentlemen... In making my tunic, how deep are the armholes?=A0 I know they aren't set in, but how deep should I make the openings? When you sew these, do you generally lay everything out flat & sew all the outside seams this way?=A0 I mean... laid out in a double T formation?=A0 [Drat!=A0 I know this isn't making sense & I don't know = how to make it any better.] Do you generally have gores front & back as well as on the sides?=A0 I = cut them out, but haven't made a seam line in the center front & back.=A0 Should I have that seam line anyway?=A0 How wide is the fabric available at the time?=A0 900AD or thereabouts... Write off-list.=A0 No need to clutter it up w/ my inept descriptions! = =A0 Jennifer whose duct tape double is looking worried From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 19:31:04 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:31:04 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Message-ID: <003901c33823$46691b10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Hi, ladies! Tis the first day of Summer & the skies are gloomy & grey... hoping for rain, altho' it is more likely we'll just get dry lightning & fires.... [I'm in Elko, NV.] Linda: Thank you for the tip on the neckline. That will surely help me! & Vara, the side seams were exactly what I was asking about. I didn't know that front/back gores weren't done, yet. I'm looking at about 900 A.D. I am soooo oooo oooo ready to get this kyrtle done! It is a lovely green, too. It looks so cool & refreshing... You can see I'm anticipating August - when it is HOT & miserable. When you say you do the construction seams on the machine & then do the finish seams by hand, I'm confused. Can you explain what the finish seams are? thanks so much. Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 21:21:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:21:28 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <003901c33823$46691b10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <000601c33832$b3225dc0$1e498751@m1w9d8> hems, neck lines..basically any seam that could be seen vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sewing help > Hi, ladies! Tis the first day of Summer & the skies are gloomy & grey... > hoping for rain, altho' it is more likely we'll just get dry lightning & > fires.... [I'm in Elko, NV.] > Linda: Thank you for the tip on the neckline. That will surely help me! > & Vara, the side seams were exactly what I was asking about. > I didn't know that front/back gores weren't done, yet. I'm looking at about > 900 A.D. > I am soooo oooo oooo ready to get this kyrtle done! It is a lovely green, > too. It looks so cool & refreshing... You can see I'm anticipating August - > when it is HOT & miserable. > When you say you do the construction seams on the machine & then do the > finish seams by hand, I'm confused. Can you explain what the finish seams > are? > thanks so much. Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 21:58:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:58:57 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <003901c33823$46691b10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000601c33832$b3225dc0$1e498751@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <009601c33837$ee94ed00$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Don't forget to neaten all your seems. You wouldn't spend long hours weaving cloth only to have it fray away! Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 21 22:01:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Yolli) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:01:46 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c33838$54d0a5f0$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Marino Sent: 19 June 2003 05:38 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Now I've only been making shoes for re-enactment since 1985 - but over here in Old Blighty, we don't use the measurement of oz'sss for the weight or thickness of leather. I think all we use is millimeters - but I could have been overlooking the obvious for some time.... Cheers, Roll. Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] shoes It's not so bad. I used an edge-flesh seam to join the upper and sole. I used an awl much like a bee stinger. short, sharp and curved with a 1/2 radius, wax it often. So, your never going right through the 12oz. As for the turn, agian, it's more patience than strength. If you turn a little then put it down, turn a little and put it down again, eventualy you've got it. If you try to put the gorilla grips on it and turn it by force you'll likely just tear out a seam or two. It's worth the effort because a sole like that a.) lasts, b.) blocks the bumps from your foot and c.) helps the rest of the shoe know which way is down. From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 00:08:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:08:49 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <003901c33823$46691b10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000601c33832$b3225dc0$1e498751@m1w9d8> <009601c33837$ee94ed00$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000e01c3384a$140f7ac0$114d8751@m1w9d8> i do it on automatic so forgot to mention it..thanks hazel vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sewing help > Don't forget to neaten all your seems. You wouldn't spend long hours weaving > cloth only to have it fray away! > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 02:36:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:36:24 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield Message-ID:

In the current issue of Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship (http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm), Stephen Hand and Paul Wagner offer an article Talhoffer’s Sword and Shield Duelling Shield Techniques as a Model for Reconstructing Early Medieval Sword and Shield Techniques that may provoke some thought. They begin by looking at a “Fechtbuch” or fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer in 1467 (as seen in Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat). One of the most curious sets of illustrations shows two duelists using large, door-sized shields. Hand and Wagner suggest that the techniques for these shields cannot have arisen out of nowhere, and that by studying them, one can derive the otherwise-undocumented sword and shield techniques of the early Middle Ages.

 

They supplement their observations by looking at other fencing treatises (Marozzo, Agrippa, Di Grassi, Capo Ferro and McBane) as well as pre-15th century pictorial evidence, as far back as 300 BC. The conclusion is pretty clear: outside of the shieldwall, and armed with a sword and shield, the general practice was not that of keeping the shield vertical and perpendicular to the line of combat (which I will define as a straight line between two combatants). Instead the shield was rotated to be roughly parallel (within 20 degrees?) to the line of combat, roughly vertical, and with the boss pointed to the left (for a right-handed fighter) to protect the outside line. The authors call this the “Outside Ward” and it allows a better bead on the target and a more open path for your sword. The shieldwall position (as described above) is termed “Medium Ward”. A third ward is called “Inside Ward” and it consists of rotating the shield from the Outside Ward so the boss is pointing to the right.

 

I think this is worthy of being experimented with; there are many hide-bound ideas about how men fought back in the days, and there are certainly safety concerns, but I think we should at least try to represent combat with the same fidelity as we do our costumes.


Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 03:12:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:12:36 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help References: <000001c337d2$7dbb42b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <003901c33823$46691b10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000601c33832$b3225dc0$1e498751@m1w9d8> <009601c33837$ee94ed00$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001201c33863$bffd1d60$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Right! I'm rolling the raw edges under, twice, before sewing. I learned that one the hard way. Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 07:26:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching Message-ID: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3384C.7D02A0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is featherstitching ever used as a sort of embroidery over the top of = seams? or any other place? It is so pretty. :>) Yes, you can tell I've gotten my sewing book out & have been reviewing = the hand-sewing techniques, esp. for seam treatments. Yrs, Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3384C.7D02A0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is featherstitching ever used as a sort = of=20 embroidery over the top of seams? or any other place?  It is so=20 pretty.  :>)
Yes, you can tell I've gotten my sewing = book out=20 & have been reviewing the hand-sewing techniques, esp. for seam=20 treatments.
Yrs, Jennifer

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3384C.7D02A0A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 09:41:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:41:42 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <000f01c3389a$1d18f600$89327ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C338A2.7CF69CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable top-stitching over seams was often seen..feather type stitch being the = most common. vara ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: Regia=20 Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching Is featherstitching ever used as a sort of embroidery over the top of = seams? or any other place? It is so pretty. :>) Yes, you can tell I've gotten my sewing book out & have been reviewing = the hand-sewing techniques, esp. for seam treatments. Yrs, Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C338A2.7CF69CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
top-stitching over seams was often = seen..feather=20 type stitch being the most common.
vara
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
To: Regia
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 = 7:26 AM
Subject: [Regia-NA]=20 featherstitching

Is featherstitching ever used as a = sort of=20 embroidery over the top of seams? or any other place?  It is so=20 pretty.  :>)
Yes, you can tell I've gotten my = sewing book out=20 & have been reviewing the hand-sewing techniques, esp. for seam=20 treatments.
Yrs, Jennifer

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C338A2.7CF69CA0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 10:52:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C338AC.68239A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Often, a line of thread was laid onto the seam and stitched down, sort = of couched into the seam. I think the Llan Gors textile had a reinforced = seam a bit like this, but I believe that it was an integral part of the = seam. The closest stitch to the one on the Mammen cushion seam is a sort of = 'Van Dyke' stitch which ends up looking like a cross stitch with one = long leg....if that makes any sense? I can include a picture in the pack! Cheers, Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C338AC.68239A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Often, a line of thread was laid onto = the seam and=20 stitched down, sort of couched into the seam. I think the Llan Gors = textile had=20 a reinforced seam a bit like this, but I believe that it was an integral = part of=20 the seam.
The closest stitch to the one on the = Mammen cushion=20 seam is a sort of 'Van Dyke' stitch which ends up looking like a cross = stitch=20 with one long leg....if that makes any sense?
I can include a picture in the = pack!
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C338AC.68239A80-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 14:19:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3389F.6EC16730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I'd like to see photos of the "van Dyke" cross stitch and = featherstitching. Am not quite sure whta you mean by either from the = description! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message -----=20 Wrom: FJMVRESKPNKMBIP To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] featherstitching Often, a line of thread was laid onto the seam and stitched down, sort = of couched into the seam. I think the Llan Gors textile had a reinforced = seam a bit like this, but I believe that it was an integral part of the = seam. The closest stitch to the one on the Mammen cushion seam is a sort of = 'Van Dyke' stitch which ends up looking like a cross stitch with one = long leg....if that makes any sense? I can include a picture in the pack! Cheers, Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3389F.6EC16730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, I'd like to see photos of the = "van Dyke"=20 cross stitch and featherstitching.  Am not quite sure whta you mean = by=20 either from the description!
 
--charlotte mayhew
 
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From:=20 Hazel Uzzell
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Subject: Re: [Regia-NA]=20 featherstitching

Often, a line of thread was laid onto = the seam=20 and stitched down, sort of couched into the seam. I think the Llan = Gors=20 textile had a reinforced seam a bit like this, but I believe that it = was an=20 integral part of the seam.
The closest stitch to the one on the = Mammen=20 cushion seam is a sort of 'Van Dyke' stitch which ends up looking like = a cross=20 stitch with one long leg....if that makes any sense?
I can include a picture in the = pack!
Cheers,
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3389F.6EC16730-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 14:51:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:51:44 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Charlotte wrote: >Actually, I'd like to see photos of the "van Dyke" cross stitch and >featherstitching. Am not quite sure whta you mean by either from the >description! This is a common transatlantic problem with stitch names. For example, what I learned as "feather stitch" is *not* used in the period, but the same name may denote entirely an different stitch type in other English-speaking countries. A picture can be worth well more than a thousand words! If you'll look at my Viking embroidery web page you'll see drawings of some stitches that were used over seams, including the Mammen one. http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikembroid.html The decoration on the Llangorse textile was a braid, made separately and stitched to the textile. This type of ornamentation is seen elsewhere, e.g., in the Cuthbert embroideries and on clothing from Birka and Hedeby. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 15:01:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:01:21 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sewing help In-Reply-To: <001101c337c3$eb079940$5e1c7ad5@m1w9d8> References: <000801c33771$87bd7b40$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030622095254.01c4fec0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >No charlotte, no fancy tailoring yet Curved armholes and shaped sleeve caps (what we would call "set-in sleeves" on this side of the pond) are found in a number of early tunics, including ones from 10th century Hedeby. >material about 30inches wide at the time...wide enough for front and back. I haven't seen any evidence that there was a standardized width for cloth in the period. I'm also not aware of any congruence among the very small number of clothing finds from the period from which it is possible to deduce loom width. Instead, all the evidence points toward weaving to the particular size required for a specific purpose or garment: from 10cm or so wide for legwrappers to nearly two meters for blankets. This is true even after the horizontal loom was firmly established as the dominant loom type by about the 12th century and the guild system was formalized. Accordingly, I think it's better not to get hung up on the concept of loom width unless you're planning to weave your own garments. ;> Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 17:32:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:32:08 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> In the drawings from 'Mammen Grav, kunst og samfund i vikingtid' Ed. Mette Iverson. p136. The stitch edging the cushion is described as a 'raised fishbone stitch' placed over the seam. This does not resemble either the fishbone stitch or the herringbone stitch so named in the Madeira book of embroidery stitches. In Birka III Agnes Geiger p110 there is a drawing of what I considered to be the closest to Van Dike stitch, although this is not identical. This resembles cross stitch with one 'long leg' when worked. I mistakenly attributed this stitch to the Mammen cushion.Geiger calls this 'osenstitch' 'Feather stitch' in the above named stitch book does not resemble anything that I have seen from the period. Any ideas where I can find it Vara? Cheers, Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 18:06:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:06:56 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000f01c338e0$b1cdf340$b2338751@m1w9d8> ahh the old problems with names...what I call feather stitch is what is on Don's tunic.....along the seams. and the 30inches bit for width of cloth is practical I and other hand weavers find any wider d**m near impossible to do unless there are two of you at the loom.try it your arms don't reach:) and I have had this confirmed via the spinners and weavers guild over here. widths increased with the introduction of the flying shuttle vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Uzzell" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] featherstitching > In the drawings from 'Mammen Grav, kunst og samfund i vikingtid' Ed. Mette > Iverson. p136. The stitch edging the cushion is described as a 'raised > fishbone stitch' placed over the seam. This does not resemble either the > fishbone stitch or the herringbone stitch so named in the Madeira book of > embroidery stitches. In Birka III Agnes Geiger p110 there is a drawing of > what I considered to be the closest to Van Dike stitch, although this is not > identical. This resembles cross stitch with one 'long leg' when worked. I > mistakenly attributed this stitch to the Mammen cushion.Geiger calls this > 'osenstitch' > 'Feather stitch' in the above named stitch book does not resemble anything > that I have seen from the period. Any ideas where I can find it Vara? > Cheers, > Hazel > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 18:51:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <002901c338e6$e59979a0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C338AC.38CF5CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hazel: Pictures are always good. :>) Thanks bunches! Jennifer ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C338AC.38CF5CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hazel:  Pictures are always good. = :>) =20 Thanks bunches!  Jennifer
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C338AC.38CF5CB0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 18:58:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] featherstitching References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <003b01c338e7$d991aeb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> In the second illustration, you will see what I mean by featherstitch. Jennifer http://www.heritageshoppe.com/heritage/stitches/advanced/advanc07.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 19:11:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:11:58 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) In-Reply-To: <000f01c338e0$b1cdf340$b2338751@m1w9d8> References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Vara wrote: >and the 30inches bit for width of cloth is practical So it's a practical recommendation rather than a specification based on historical precedent, then? >I and other hand >weavers find any wider d**m near impossible to do unless there are two of >you at the loom.try it your arms don't reach:) When I weave on my 4- or 8-harness floor-looms I don't enjoy working a warp any wider than about 28", that's true. (That's one reason I mostly concentrate on weaving linens, which can still be useful textiles at narrow widths.) But I don't have any problem at all working wider widths on the warp-weighted loom. When you weave on a warp-weighted loom, you don't fling a shuttle through the shed from one side to the other and catch it all in one go the way you do on a floor loom. For instance, if you go look at the archival films on the Norsk Folkmuseum website of ladies weaving blankets on the wwloom, you'll see they work their way across the loom bit by bit rather than in one big fling. (There are descriptions of women performing this movement across the wwloom in ancient Greek textual sources as well.) Or two can easily work side-by-side, passing the weft from one to another; this is the method I prefer, since it's more fun. So the limitation of needing to catch the shuttle in your other hand doesn't exist on the wwloom. It's the warp-weighted loom that likely would have woven the clothing in this period, with the exception of Mediterranean imports such as silk. Accordingly, I don't think the specific technical limitations imposed by the later introduction of the harness loom should be part of the thought process for Regia period. >and I have had this confirmed >via the spinners and weavers guild over here. widths increased with the >introduction of the flying shuttle Cloth widths ballooned again (from the narrow widths of the early one-person treadle loom) with the introduction of the broadloom by the 14th century. This loom was operated by two weavers sitting side by side, which effectively doubles the span of weaving possible in one throw of the shuttle: each operator throws or catches only with his outside hand. Guild regulations specified a type of cloth approaching two meters in width in this period, the eponymous "broadcloth" of medieval records. (This, of course, coexisted with other typical cloth types in the vicinity of 18" in width as well as several other widths, which demonstrates the point I made earlier about there not being one standard.) The "flying shuttle," as I understand it, was a post-medieval invention. (This could be another vocabulary mismatch, of course.) Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 22 21:01:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <000401c338f9$1ca08580$01d48351@m1w9d8> Found it! The YAT fasicule AY17/13, which deals with wood and woodworking, describes a find of a horizontal loom-beam, in ash, from the Bedern excavation. Although in fragments, from the drawings it appears to be all there, and the width is given as 485mm.ISBN: 1902771109,page 2334-5, by the way. Now, the Bedern, it is true, is dated as 14th Century, but the York books are wonderful in that they go looking for comparable finds from elsewhere. In this particular case, another beam has been found in the pre-Norman levels of Dublin Castle. This even has what appear to be grooves for the supposed attachment of warp threads; both are considered similar enough to the timbers of the Oseberg loom for direct comparison. The Dublin beam is given as 680 - 700mm wide....ie, 30 inches, give or take. Good enough for a working specification, methinks..... Happy Weaving Hrolf the Warped (or is that Warp-Weighted?) From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 02:35:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) In-Reply-To: <000401c338f9$1ca08580$01d48351@m1w9d8> References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.ed> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030622212523.01b8d6b0@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Hrolf wrote: >Found it! The YAT fasicule AY17/13, which deals with wood and woodworking, >describes a find of a horizontal loom-beam, in ash, from the Bedern >excavation. Although in fragments, from the drawings it appears to be all >there, and the width is given as 485mm.ISBN: 1902771109,page 2334-5, by the >way. >Now, the Bedern, it is true, is dated as 14th Century, but the York books >are wonderful in that they go looking for comparable finds from elsewhere. >In this particular case, another beam has been found in the pre-Norman >levels of Dublin Castle. This even has what appear to be grooves for the >supposed attachment of warp threads; both are considered similar enough to >the timbers of the Oseberg loom for direct comparison. >The Dublin beam is given as 680 - 700mm wide....ie, 30 inches, give or take. >Good enough for a working specification, methinks..... For a *tapestry* loom, yes. Nowhere do I see an indication that Morris is claiming either of these pieces as a warp-weighted loom beam or a treadle loom beam. Instead, she compares it to the Oseberg tapestry loom. Here's the relevant text from page 2334 of that YAT 17/13 fascicule: "Fragments of one of the horizontal beams from an ash frame (9237) were found in late 14th-early 15th century levels at Bedern.... Comparison with a pre-Norman beam fragment found in the excavations at Dublin Castle (R.A. Hall, pers. comm.), almost certainly part of a two-beam tapestry loom like that from Oseberg, suggests that the Bedern fragment may also be part of a similar frame." What's more, Morris suggests further on down the page that "it is not inconceivable that it [9237] is part of a different type of frame, for example, one used for stretching an embroidery canvas. The Dublin beam was 680-700mm wide, whereas 9237 is only 485mm wide and may have been a hand-held frame." Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 06:21:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <002701c33947$57dae390$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> I'm a bit surprised by the idea that 30" is as wide as is comfortable. On my Loomcraft jack loom [which I no longer have], I generally wove at least 40" wide, as I do on the Glimakra Standard. In fact, the Glimakra is so comfortable, that I regret not getting it wider. A tip from Joanne Hall, dealer for the Glimakra, made a BIG difference in my weaving comfort. She told me to sit as close as I could possibly get to the breast beam & to adjust my bench, IIRC, to get a good 90* angle w/ arms to breast beam. [The latter I may be off.] All the upper back strain seems to have gone away. Additionally, I've found that good foundation garments, esp supporting the lower back, increase my comfort at the loom. Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 08:24:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <002701c33947$57dae390$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <000c01c33958$7a598be0$58897ad5@m1w9d8> what foundation garments? we are talking 10th century here:) on an upright loom..with no known shuttle. I can pick weave wider, but practical experience has taught me for a good speed etc that 30inches is about right....remember I am not talking about accuracy here just rough guides and 30 inches as apposed to 45 or 60:) For Carolyn..I asked hrolf to look up the bits. I distictly remember talking to one of the archeologists at york and they said that they had found bits of the uprights still in situ..about 36 inches apart with weightas unsderneath., now if I could only find the refrence. I was told it was in one of the reports. More modern looms are designed for wider bits. I can make the clothes easily for the 30in stuff and it saves a lot of cutting. Form the size of the bits found sitting was not an option. vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) > I'm a bit surprised by the idea that 30" is as wide as is comfortable. On > my Loomcraft jack loom [which I no longer have], I generally wove at least > 40" wide, as I do on the Glimakra Standard. In fact, the Glimakra is so > comfortable, that I regret not getting it wider. > A tip from Joanne Hall, dealer for the Glimakra, made a BIG difference in my > weaving comfort. She told me to sit as close as I could possibly get to the > breast beam & to adjust my bench, IIRC, to get a good 90* angle w/ arms to > breast beam. [The latter I may be off.] > All the upper back strain seems to have gone away. > Additionally, I've found that good foundation garments, esp supporting the > lower back, increase my comfort at the loom. > Jennifer > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 17:11:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Cloth width (was Re: featherstitching) References: <000a01c33887$29dfd060$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006a01c338a4$06992e40$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622094512.026fc908@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <00fc01c338db$d36dfd60$0200a8c0@mshome.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030622134635.02460830@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <002701c33947$57dae390$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <000c01c33958$7a598be0$58897ad5@m1w9d8> Message-ID: <001701c339a2$25c99940$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Ahhh, I see. Yes, I would think 30" would work well if you're working on a WW loom & not a modern floor loom. :>) Standing would also be easier on the back. As for foundation garments... I've found a waist cincher to be invaluable if I have to stand or sit for any length of time... Not period, but keeps me out of the E.R. [The last SCA event -used as an example only- I went to required brawny fighters to help me walk across a field to get back to my tent... I was in BAD shape from being up & down & bending, etc. Most embarassing! I, literally, could not move one foot in front of the other!] Meanwhile, today, I get to un-stitch one of the gores I put in last night. I have one right side up & one upside down. That is what I get for sewing late at night. LOL Ælfgifu From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 19:05:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Mark Patchett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Making a Cauldron Message-ID: <3EF7414B.60ECCB66@sybase.com> Magnus (Chris Kerr) and I spent Sunday afternoon, building a copper alloy cauldron, similar to the ones found in the Mastermyr tool chest. We had been discussing options for cooking vessels, since the cast iron some of us have been using for years isn't authentic. Magnus has a fairly sizeable rivetted steel cauldron, and Foote has an assortment of pottery pots, so this gives us one more option ... I put some pictures, and brief notes up here: http://www.regia.ca/cauldron/cauldron.htm Comments are welcome, especially any from the Authenticity Officer. -Edward of Wynmerestow From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 21:54:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:54:52 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] looking for research material Message-ID: anyone have access to this article/publication? contact me if you do Post, Paul. "Ein neuer Rekonstrucktionsvorschalg zum Panzerfunde von = Valsgarde. Ein Beitrag zur fruhmittelalterlichen Schutzbewaffnung."=20 Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen- und Kostumkunde. Bd 5/6. 1944 -This was where Post originally published his theory of the stave armor = of Valsgarde 8. Halvgrimr Robb Robb Schuster User Support Specialist UM Helpdesk 300 Locust Bldg schusterrl@umsystem.edu Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that the Ark was built by amateurs,=20 It was the Titanic that was built by professionals. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 22:46:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:46:49 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] looking for research material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have "Die Gräberfunde von valsgärde II Valsgärde 8" (and no idea what much of it is on about) but i am suspecting this is not what you are after. how is the research on this one going? Hugz N. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of Schuster, Robert L. > Sent: 23 June 2003 21:55 > To: List-Regia-Us (E-mail) > Subject: [Regia-NA] looking for research material > > > > anyone have access to this article/publication? > contact me if you do > > Post, Paul. "Ein neuer Rekonstrucktionsvorschalg zum Panzerfunde > von Valsgarde. Ein Beitrag zur fruhmittelalterlichen Schutzbewaffnung." > > Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen- und Kostumkunde. Bd 5/6. 1944 > > -This was where Post originally published his theory of the stave > armor of Valsgarde 8. > > > Halvgrimr > Robb > Robb Schuster > User Support Specialist > UM Helpdesk > 300 Locust Bldg > schusterrl@umsystem.edu > Never be afraid to try something new. > Remember that the Ark was built by amateurs, > It was the Titanic that was built by professionals. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 22:57:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] looking for research material Message-ID: I have "Die Gr=E4berfunde von valsg=E4rde II Valsg=E4rde 8" (and no idea = what much of it is on about) but i am suspecting this is not what you are after. --is this the book on the Valsg=E4rde 8 dig or is this an article from = one of the random Archaeological pubs? how is the research on this one going? --slowly as always;) Halvgrimr Robb From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 23 23:45:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:45:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] looking for research material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --is this the book on the Valsgärde 8 dig or is this an article > from one of the random Archaeological pubs? book i guess since it's fairly chunky. misc. other items covered as well (not just wargear). > how is the research on this one going? > > --slowly as always;) As ever ;-) Hugz N. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 03:33:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:33:32 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield References: Message-ID: <006701c339f9$0159ad00$7900a8c0@field> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C339D7.7A0E1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can also access Toronto based AEMMA's web-site for details. www.aemma.org Cheers Martin. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Sunlin=20 To: California_Viking_Age@egroups.com ; list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield In the current issue of Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship = (http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm), Stephen Hand = and Paul Wagner offer an article Talhoffer's Sword and Shield Duelling = Shield Techniques as a Model for Reconstructing Early Medieval Sword and = Shield Techniques that may provoke some thought. They begin by looking = at a "Fechtbuch" or fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer in 1467 = (as seen in Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of = Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat). One of the most curious sets of = illustrations shows two duelists using large, door-sized shields. Hand = and Wagner suggest that the techniques for these shields cannot have = arisen out of nowhere, and that by studying them, one can derive the = otherwise-undocumented sword and shield techniques of the early Middle = Ages.=20 =20 They supplement their observations by looking at other fencing = treatises (Marozzo, Agrippa, Di Grassi, Capo Ferro and McBane) as well = as pre-15th century pictorial evidence, as far back as 300 BC. The = conclusion is pretty clear: outside of the shieldwall, and armed with a = sword and shield, the general practice was not that of keeping the = shield vertical and perpendicular to the line of combat (which I will = define as a straight line between two combatants). Instead the shield = was rotated to be roughly parallel (within 20 degrees?) to the line of = combat, roughly vertical, and with the boss pointed to the left (for a = right-handed fighter) to protect the outside line. The authors call this = the "Outside Ward" and it allows a better bead on the target and a more = open path for your sword. The shieldwall position (as described above) = is termed "Medium Ward". A third ward is called "Inside Ward" and it = consists of rotating the shield from the Outside Ward so the boss is = pointing to the right. =20 I think this is worthy of being experimented with; there are many = hide-bound ideas about how men fought back in the days, and there are = certainly safety concerns, but I think we should at least try to = represent combat with the same fidelity as we do our costumes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online = _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing = list list-regia-na@lig.net = http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C339D7.7A0E1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can also access Toronto based = AEMMA's web-site=20 for details.
www.aemma.org
Cheers
Martin.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Sunlin
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Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 = 9:36=20 PM
Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and=20 Shield

In = the current=20 issue of Spada: Anthology of Swordsmanship (http://w= ww.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/spada/spada.htm),=20 Stephen Hand and Paul Wagner offer an article Talhoffer=92s Sword = and Shield=20 Duelling Shield Techniques as a Model for Reconstructing Early = Medieval Sword=20 and Shield Techniques that may provoke some thought. They begin by = looking=20 at a =93Fechtbuch=94 or fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer in = 1467 (as seen=20 in Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of = Swordfighting=20 and Close-Quarter Combat). One of the most curious sets of = illustrations=20 shows two duelists using large, door-sized shields. Hand and Wagner = suggest=20 that the techniques for these shields cannot have arisen out of = nowhere, and=20 that by studying them, one can derive the otherwise-undocumented sword = and=20 shield techniques of the early Middle Ages.

 

They = supplement=20 their observations by looking at other fencing treatises (Marozzo, = Agrippa, Di=20 Grassi, Capo Ferro and McBane) as well as pre-15th century=20 pictorial evidence, as far back as 300 BC. The conclusion is pretty = clear:=20 outside of the shieldwall, and armed with a sword and shield, the = general=20 practice was not that of keeping the shield vertical and perpendicular = to the=20 line of combat (which I will define as a straight line between two=20 combatants). Instead the shield was rotated to be roughly parallel = (within 20=20 degrees?) to the line of combat, roughly vertical, and with the boss = pointed=20 to the left (for a right-handed fighter) to protect the outside line. = The=20 authors call this the =93Outside Ward=94 and it allows a better bead = on the target=20 and a more open path for your sword. The shieldwall position (as = described=20 above) is termed =93Medium Ward=94. A third ward is called =93Inside = Ward=94 and it=20 consists of rotating the shield from the Outside Ward so the boss is = pointing=20 to the right.

 

I = think this is=20 worthy of being experimented with; there are many hide-bound ideas = about how=20 men fought back in the days, and there are certainly safety concerns, = but I=20 think we should at least try to represent combat with the same = fidelity as we=20 do our costumes.


Protect your PC - Click here=20 for McAfee.com VirusScan Online=20 _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing = list=20 list-regia-na@lig.net=20 http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C339D7.7A0E1140-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 07:10:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ellem, Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:10:57 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes Message-ID: <81EF200C122E3E46BA3236F54F800AD4ADED@cxcb01.asanet.prd.airservices.gov.au> Hi All, Thanks to those who responded... muchly appreciated. The bread, along with the pigs, hams, lamb, veggies, cheeses, meads and honey ales went down extremely well. Andrew Canberra, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Hrolf Douglasson [mailto:Hrolf@btinternet.com]=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:39 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes anne hagen..... it was here by the second century but scarcer after the fall of rome....via arabia vara ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed somers" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes > Did they have cinnamon and ginger in AS times??? > I know by the middle ages but I am not aware of them earlier. > Ed > > At 08:23 AM 06/19/2003 +0100, Hrolf Douglasson wrote: > >the secret is in the flour.can you get a whole grain or malted strong flour? > >try mixing with english type ale instead of water > >try adding cinnamon and ginger as well as dried fruits. > >For later medeaval decorate with edible gold or silver. > >The Viking 'good stuff' was with flour that had been passed through muslin > >to get out he bits. > >For christmas I add spices, including cloves, lots of butter and even eggs > >into the mix. > >yeast ,liquid, salt, and a touch of either sugar or honey. Don't use a sugar > >replacment as it doesn't feed the yeast. > >knead well..best done in a bad mood > >and leave to rise before knocking back, reneading and leaving to rise a > >second time before baking > >vara > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ellem, Andrew" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:15 AM > >Subject: [Regia-NA] Yuletime bread recipes > > > > > >Hi All, > > > >I've been asked to supply some bread for the yule feast this weekend. > >Rather than going with some commercial home bake blends I'd like to try > >some older recipes. Does anyone have any traditional yule or even some > >viking/saxon recipes they wouldn't mind sharing? > > > >I've tried the "barley bagels" with limited success... basically I've > >ended up with some slightly doughy biscuits about 3 inches in diameter > >and about half an inch thick... they taste nice but are a bit on the > >small side for a dinner for 20. > > > >Any help appreciated. > > > >Andrew > >Canberra, Australia. > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 09:48:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Pete James) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:48:30 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Vikings/Byzantium Message-ID: <6170C7F0E7C6D51184F000C0CA193CEB3C1E15@MAILSERVER-UK> Hi folks For some reason lots of Viking re-enactors start looking at the = Varangian Guard and end up wondering about life in Byzantium. The site linked = below has been re-vamped and is a truly excellent place to look for = information on this subject and thoroughly recommended. http://www.levantia.com.au/ Tim himself is an acknowledged expert on the subject of Byzantine dress = and armour and a real good guy. He also has some sage thoughts on different approaches to historical re-creation, specifically the different = approach taken by the SCA vs re-enactors here: http://www.levantia.com.au/theory/glasshouses.html and the problems with re-enactment and re-enactors in general here: http://www.levantia.com.au/theory/rescue.html The prices for his guides are in Aussie Dollars (currently GBP 2.51:1, = USD 1.51:1) so are good value for money. Anyone in the UK interested in = ordering one or more drop me an email privately and we might save some postage. Pete - Gu=F0ro=F0 Of Colanhomm "Literature stops in 1100. After that it's just books" J.R.R. Tolkien From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 10:36:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:36:40 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF7769A5@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Yes, I have to report to Keesler in the middle of "suh-mur"...ick! Bill -----Original Message----- From: J K Siddorn [mailto:kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:33 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang I thought sprang was the season following winter in the Deep South - or is that a different thread? ;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 11:04:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:04:15 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Swordplay Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF7769A8@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33A37.89FB26FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last year at Rampton, we had the fortune to have Ewart Oakshotte attend and he brought along a number of sword finds from our period. We also had the fortune to hold them (okay, okay, fondle and drool over them...and even a couple of swings). In comparison weights, I think our weapons are on-the-money. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mik lawson [mailto:miklawson@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:54 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Swordplay ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33A37.89FB26FA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Last year at Rampton, we had the fortune to have Ewart Oakshotte attend and he brought along a number of sword finds from our period.  We also had the fortune to hold them (okay, okay, fondle and drool over them...and even a couple of swings).  In comparison weights, I think our weapons are on-the-money.
 
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: mik lawson [mailto:miklawson@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:54 AM
To: list-regia-na@lig.net
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C33A37.89FB26FA-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 11:30:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:30:41 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] coloured leather Message-ID: <003b01c33a3b$ab559520$880e7ad5@m1w9d8> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C33A44.0B97F100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember this coming up a while back. are there any refrences/ provinences for dyed leather in period? and if so what colours? vara ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C33A44.0B97F100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember this coming up a while=20 back.
are there any refrences/ provinences = for dyed=20 leather in period?
and if so what colours?
vara
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C33A44.0B97F100-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 15:16:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sweat, sweat, sweat (was RE: sprang (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC)0 Message-ID: <3b8f855a.99046456.81c4a00@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Oh, you pore l'il thing (bless yore heart)! Is this TDY or PCS? Don't despair -- there are some wool-wearing Vikings and Saxons here in the south. Well, sometimes we wear wool, but there's a lot to be said for linen when it's so hot your sprang is sprung. -- Tracie >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > >Yes, I have to report to Keesler in the middle of "suh- mur"...ick! From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 15:23:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:23:07 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sweat, sweat, sweat (was RE: sprang (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC)0 Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF7769B6@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> It's a PCS (for the civvies PCS = Permanent Change of Station), and quite possibly my last...4 years til retirement! I'm looking at including a large air conditioned marquee tent inside of which I can set up my wic (and I do have enough gear to do my own!). Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 17:23:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF7769A5@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <000901c33a6c$e5321710$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Horrors! Jennifer > Yes, I have to report to Keesler in the middle of "suh-mur"...ick! > > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 17:30:10 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield Message-ID:

Yes, Martin, thanks, I'm a member. ;)




On manræden,
Osweald of Baldurstrand
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age
http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/
>From: "Martin Field"
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Sword and Shield
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:33:32 -0400
>
>You can also access Toronto based AEMMA's web-site for details.
>www.aemma.org
>Cheers
>Martin.

Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 17:42:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang In-Reply-To: <000901c33a6c$e5321710$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: > Yes, I have to report to Keesler in the middle of "suh-mur"...ick! > > Bill The have an excellent Baskin Robbins on base also it RIGHT by the casinos, so be vewery careful!! I own 4 lots in Gulfport that one day I MAY do something with if I ever get out of debt!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 19:50:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:50:55 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Latest Wychurst pictures Message-ID: <014401c33a81$8af378b0$c1702052@kim1> Photos from last weekend's Wychurst work weekend can be seen on page two of my albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/kimsiddorn Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 20:15:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:15:01 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Vikings/Byzantium References: <6170C7F0E7C6D51184F000C0CA193CEB3C1E15@MAILSERVER-UK> Message-ID: <00aa01c33a84$e90f6460$0200a8c0@mshome.net> I read the 'Questions about re-enactment' on the levantia site and found it extremely interesting....and thought provoking! Hazel From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 20:17:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:17:08 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: Message-ID: <001101c33a85$34ed3c90$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> They have CASINOS there now? Whatever are we in NV going to do w/ our major industry having such competition! ROFL Jennifer who rarely gambles From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 20:23:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Latest Wychurst pictures References: <014401c33a81$8af378b0$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <002801c33a86$17147070$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> We can have coloured veils/wimples???? Oh, too kewl! & the harp... Oh, I want a harp! Are they expensive, difficult to learn? [I think I have a book on learning to play the harp somewhere around here..... if it didn't go into one yard sale or another!] Everyone looks so perfect! Jennifer doing her... Oh, I wish I were there thing From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 20:57:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030624155724.02cbbde8@mmail> Are any list members planning on attending the Viking festival at Eir=EDkssta=F0ir =ED Haukadal next month? A good time last year, but I didn= 't meet anyone else from NA or UK -- most participants were from Scandinavian countries. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:07:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Karen *) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030624155724.02cbbde8@mmail> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, William R. Short wrote: > Are any list members planning on attending the Viking festival at > Eir=EDkssta=F0ir =ED Haukadal next month? A good time last year, but I d= idn't > meet anyone else from NA or UK -- most participants were from Scandinavia= n > countries. http://www.vikingvillage.is/ This one? which just ended?=20 Or is there still another one yet to come? Karen :) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "'Cause intensity... it's never really been a problem for me."=20 Karen and Neil's Tree Home on the Web: http://www.treheima.ca From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:24:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:24:55 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang In-Reply-To: <001101c33a85$34ed3c90$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: They've had casinos in Biloxi since 1992! We've got the Gulf of Mexico!! Competition? Nah, all those are on barges, so they can be sunk in case of a hurricane. YOURS are stationary. Except for the occasional flood! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of J Hill Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:17 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] sprang They have CASINOS there now? Whatever are we in NV going to do w/ our major industry having such competition! ROFL Jennifer who rarely gambles _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:38:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang References: Message-ID: <000b01c33a90$8ebc90d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Ahhh, that explains it. I haven't been to Biloxi since 1973! Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:45:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:45:19 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] sprang In-Reply-To: <000b01c33a90$8ebc90d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: Oh, Goodness! It's horrible, so built up and touristy!!! we won't even go INTO the traffic problem on shore line drive!!! *grin* Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or - Ahhh, that explains it. I haven't been to Biloxi since 1973! Jennifer _ From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:45:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:45:50 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Biloxi References: Message-ID: <001b01c33a91$9934f740$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Traffic???? There's TRAFFIC? Oh, dear! Is there a roller rink near the base, still? I learned that woman was not born w/ wheels on her feet for a reason. Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:46:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Russ Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030624204645.95312.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeanne wrote: > Oh, Goodness! It's horrible, so built up and touristy!!! we won't > even go > INTO the traffic problem on shore line drive!!! *grin* But the dining has improved 1000% and Pass Road bypasses all the buildup. :) Russ Holmes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Tue Jun 24 21:58:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:58:27 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <20030624204645.95312.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: AMEN brother!!! LOVE it, oh and I-10 in that area is WONDERFUL!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or But the dining has improved 1000% and Pass Road bypasses all the buildup. :) Russ Holmes From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 08:09:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:09:00 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A208@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> I haven't been since 97, and I do dread the driving scene...retirees/pensioners out in their land barges, driving 15 mph, where you can only see the tops of their little grey heads. I miss the Biloxi of '87 when I first got there and it was a sleepy backwater, but traffic was still miserable along 98. One thing I am looking forward to is the German restaurant...smashing food. So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of Biloxi? Do we have a nucleus for a group? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne [mailto:jeanne@atasteofcreole.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:58 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI AMEN brother!!! LOVE it, oh and I-10 in that area is WONDERFUL!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or But the dining has improved 1000% and Pass Road bypasses all the buildup. :) Russ Holmes _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 08:12:36 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:12:36 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A211@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Oops, that last line should have read, "how", not "home". Silly me. -----Original Message----- From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC [mailto:william.tate@mildenhall.af.mil] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:09 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI I haven't been since 97, and I do dread the driving scene...retirees/pensioners out in their land barges, driving 15 mph, where you can only see the tops of their little grey heads. I miss the Biloxi of '87 when I first got there and it was a sleepy backwater, but traffic was still miserable along 98. One thing I am looking forward to is the German restaurant...smashing food. So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of Biloxi? Do we have a nucleus for a group? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne [mailto:jeanne@atasteofcreole.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:58 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI AMEN brother!!! LOVE it, oh and I-10 in that area is WONDERFUL!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or But the dining has improved 1000% and Pass Road bypasses all the buildup. :) Russ Holmes _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 09:44:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A211@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: Freudian slip!! You're looking for a home with Regia!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or - Oops, that last line should have read, "how", not "home". Silly me. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 11:53:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20030624155724.02cbbde8@mmail> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030625065359.02ce6598@mmail> Karen * wrote: >http://www.vikingvillage.is/ > >This one?=20 No. >Or is there still another one yet to come? Yes. It's 11-Jul through 13-Jul at Eir=EDkssta=F0ir =ED Haukadal. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 14:14:24 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Karen *) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030625065359.02ce6598@mmail> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, William R. Short wrote: > Yes. It's 11-Jul through 13-Jul at Eir=EDkssta=F0ir =ED Haukadal. Cool...two viking festivals one right after the other.... is there a website for this one? Karen :) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "'Cause intensity... it's never really been a problem for me."=20 Karen and Neil's Tree Home on the Web: http://www.treheima.ca From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 15:40:32 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Maerwynn of Holme) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: <20030625144032.BLAR4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Wes thu hal-- I'm not sure that I've ever posted here. I am Maerwynn of Holme, I'm from= the central US (Nebraska), and I've been lurking around here for quite a= while. My center of interest has been early A-S, but several things are d= ragging me later and later... = I've just returned from Lilies War, and decided I want to make some banne= rs for next year. I love this photo: http://community.webshots.com/photo/67972241/67973276GOBZsV And wonder what the background is on the standard. Is this kind of thing = something Regia uses regularly? I've been looking for banners and war-fla= gs, etc. But haven't been incredibly sucessful finding sources for what t= hey actually looked like. I've found the ones on the BT (is that where th= is one comes from--from the panel where Harold is killed?) and what seem = to me like a late, late MS. Can anyone point me toward anything I'm missing? Is the person who made t= he one in the photo available for comment? :) I've also been bitten (again) by the geteld bug. =DEora, any chance your = article will be ready anytime soon? ;-) Thanks, Maerwynn PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 15:56:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Allan McVie) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:56:41 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? In-Reply-To: <20030625144032.BLAR4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.co x.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030625155331.02e69008@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> At 10:40 25/06/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Wes thu hal-- > >I've just returned from Lilies War, and decided I want to make some >banners for next year. I love this photo: > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/67972241/67973276GOBZsV > >And wonder what the background is on the standard. Is this kind of thing >something Regia uses regularly? I've been looking for banners and >war-flags, etc. But haven't been incredibly sucessful finding sources for >what they actually looked like. I've found the ones on the BT (is that >where this one comes from--from the panel where Harold is killed?) and >what seem to me like a late, late MS. > >Can anyone point me toward anything I'm missing? Is the person who made >the one in the photo available for comment? :) The Photo at http://community.webshots.com/photo/67972241/67973239WnEUdW Shows the same Wessex standard from a different angle and in close up I am sure Kim Siddorn who took the photos an is the Wessex Group leader can fill in the details. Allan From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 16:05:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:05:00 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: > I'm not sure that I've ever posted here. I am Maerwynn of=20 > Holme, I'm from the central US (Nebraska), and I've been=20 > lurking around here for quite awhile. Welcome. > My center of interest=20 > has been early A-S, but several things are dragging me later=20 > and later...=20 >=20 > I've just returned from Lilies War, and decided I want to=20 > make some banners for next year. I love this photo: >=20 > http://community.webshots.com/photo/67972241/67973276GOBZsV >=20 > And wonder what the background is on the standard. Is this=20 > kind of thing something Regia uses regularly?=20 Not regularly. Derived in part from the BT, 'George', as he is affectionately known, is also related to a number of illustrations of similar banners in Carolingian manuscripts. One of his plus points is = that he is demonstrably different from the Viking banners - illustrated on = coins and carvings. In terms of construction techniques, no parallels for the illustrated banners have survived or been excavated, so the aim was to produce something which looked similar to the illustrations, and used = period techniques. The Saxons strongly deny that their banner-bearer is selected for = nimble footwork and speed, with one forward gear and five reverse ;-). Gu=F0rum=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 16:35:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:35:31 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? References: <20030625144032.BLAR4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <02a401c33b30$07a1a950$c1702052@kim1> Hi, Glad you like our standard. It is made of 21SWG sheet brass, hand riveted and polished to outshine the sun. The tail and wings are of fine silk, the tail of a quantity of concentric circles of silk tubes pressed flat and attached at four points to the ones either side of it so the wind will readily pass between them. Re-enactment mirrors the world in small. There was a time when the Eorldom of Wessex WAS Regia Anglorum and for many years we remained the largest, most active group in the UK. We had 36 men in mail at York in 1994, plus others without. Now we are but a distant memory with which the aging minds of the Nine bait each other - like Guthrum, sometime member of Wessex, Lawspeaker, Authenticity officer and still leader of Galpaeg, a dispersed and scattered body of archaeologists that meet occasionally to recall the days of their greatness. All things in their season ................... Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maerwynn of Holme" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Wes thu hal-- I'm not sure that I've ever posted here. I am Maerwynn of Holme, I'm from the central US (Nebraska), and I've been lurking around here for quite awhile. My center of interest has been early A-S, but several things are dragging me later and later... I've just returned from Lilies War, and decided I want to make some banners for next year. I love this photo: http://community.webshots.com/photo/67972241/67973276GOBZsV And wonder what the background is on the standard. Is this kind of thing something Regia uses regularly? I've been looking for banners and war-flags, etc. But haven't been incredibly sucessful finding sources for what they actually looked like. I've found the ones on the BT (is that where this one comes from--from the panel where Harold is killed?) and what seem to me like a late, late MS. Can anyone point me toward anything I'm missing? Is the person who made the one in the photo available for comment? :) I've also been bitten (again) by the geteld bug. Þora, any chance your article will be ready anytime soon? ;-) Thanks, Maerwynn PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hwæt! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 16:51:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:51:12 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: I love you too bwana :) G. PS I can still only get to seven, the other two elude me, but I work on it from time to time. > Now we are but a distant memory with which the aging minds of > the Nine bait > each other - like Guthrum, sometime member of Wessex, Lawspeaker, > Authenticity officer and still leader of Galpaeg, a dispersed > and scattered body of archaeologists that meet occasionally to recall the > days of their greatness. > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 16:59:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:59:48 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? References: Message-ID: <02d701c33b32$ce15e1d0$c1702052@kim1> Let's see if we can't get it between us............ Richard Kilford Andrew Nicholson John Shulver Kim Siddorn Roland Williamson AND...................... Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholson, Andrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Standard? > I love you too bwana :) > > G. > > PS I can still only get to seven, the other two elude me, but I work on it > from time to time. > > > Now we are but a distant memory with which the aging minds of > > the Nine bait > > each other - like Guthrum, sometime member of Wessex, Lawspeaker, > > Authenticity officer and still leader of Galpaeg, a dispersed > > and scattered body of archaeologists that meet occasionally to recall the > > days of their greatness. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:02:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:02:46 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: Ted Jones, since CDN resigned in protest and came along with us... Andy Wiles, though I'me not certain if he's renewed over the last couple of years > -----Original Message----- > From: J K Siddorn [mailto:kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 25 June 2003 17:00 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Standard? > > > Let's see if we can't get it between us............ > > Richard Kilford > > Andrew Nicholson > > John Shulver > > Kim Siddorn > > Roland Williamson > > AND...................... > > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > > Bacon is a friend > in the salad bowl of life > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicholson, Andrew" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:51 PM > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Standard? > > > > I love you too bwana :) > > > > G. > > > > PS I can still only get to seven, the other two elude me, > but I work on it > > from time to time. > > > > > Now we are but a distant memory with which the aging minds of > > > the Nine bait > > > each other - like Guthrum, sometime member of Wessex, Lawspeaker, > > > Authenticity officer and still leader of Galpaeg, a dispersed > > > and scattered body of archaeologists that meet > occasionally to recall > the > > > days of their greatness. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:04:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:04:03 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: > Now we are but a distant memory with which the aging minds of > the Nine bait each other - like Guthrum, sometime member of Wessex, Lawspeaker, > Authenticity officer and still leader of Galpaeg, 'The Nine', I like that, has a certain ring to it... G. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:22:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Latest Wychurst pictures In-Reply-To: <014401c33a81$8af378b0$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <450CD845-A729-11D7-8570-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Very nice. Judging by the mortice size and locations it looks like a=20 pretty simple common rafter plan. Good! Complicated roofs are a misery=20= to service.That's what makes them seem so opulent. How are your=20 earthfast posts fairing in the weather? We have had a very wet spring=20 here in New Regia. It has played the devil with wood, straw and clay.=20= I use straw as the backstop for my longbow. Last year it serviced 8=20 months looking much like straw. I replenished it this April and it is=20 already reduced to a collapsed pile of rotten grass. I said it before=20= but it makes me shiver! Looks like your making good headway on the roof=20= though. Are you bound to fire safety law on this building?? The folks=20 that rebuilt the Globe theater said they had a hard time keeping to=20 period and meeting the strict fire safety laws. They developed some=20 good solutions. How are you going to floor it? Rammed earth or some=20 pavement. (meaning the old method of paving with some sort of quarried=20= or cast stone)? I'm sad to see so much fun being had so far away from=20 my tools. Paul Binns is sending me a Saxon "T" axe for hewing and the=20 forest of Warren is terrified! The weather has finally come around,=20 sunny and 90=BAf, humid as a blacksmith's arm pit. May be a little hall=20= west of the pond before you know it. Good luck!! On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 02:50 PM, J K Siddorn wrote: > Photos from last weekend's Wychurst work weekend can be seen on page=20= > two of > my albums at > > http://community.webshots.com/user/kimsiddorn > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > > Bacon is a friend > in the salad bowl of life > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:18:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:18:55 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] The Nine .......... References: Message-ID: <030401c33b35$79a926e0$c1702052@kim1> From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:42:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A211@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <03D99106-A72C-11D7-8570-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Sounds just like Panama City Beach in Florida just down 98. I never got to see it before my in-laws moved there in the mid 90's. By my tastes it was probably beautiful once but now it's like 42nd street NYC on the beach. I've noticed just in the last 5 years that the trash-to-sand ratio has gotten way out of hand. Also cannot believe how much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good thing). Every time I go for swim in Florida the lifeguards chase me down with the jet ski's and ask me if I'm drowning. As much as I despise Martha's Vinyard for being "snobbish", they have done the right thing and kept the shore wild, the roads largely unpaved, neon lights to a barely existant minimum and prohibited any structure higher than a stout 2 story victorian or 9 window colonial at about 45feet. Privelege of wealth I guess. Anyways, That part of the country is sooooo spread out. Bet there's not many people in a 2 hour drive radius. Then again, folks who live there tend to think of anything less that 5 hours as reasonably close.The Regia NA roles appear to show a very spread out group that will always have trouble getting together enough people for a good raiding party without incurring air line travel. On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 03:12 AM, Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC wrote: > Oops, that last line should have read, "how", not "home". Silly me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > [mailto:william.tate@mildenhall.af.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:09 AM > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > I haven't been since 97, and I do dread the driving > scene...retirees/pensioners out in their land barges, driving 15 mph, > where > you can only see the tops of their little grey heads. I miss the > Biloxi of > '87 when I first got there and it was a sleepy backwater, but traffic > was > still miserable along 98. One thing I am looking forward to is the > German > restaurant...smashing food. > > So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of Biloxi? Do we > have a > nucleus for a group? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeanne [mailto:jeanne@atasteofcreole.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:58 PM > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > AMEN brother!!! LOVE it, oh and I-10 in that area is WONDERFUL!!! > > Soffya Appollonia Tudja > http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm > Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief > sable > three fleur-de-lys Or > > > But the dining has improved 1000% and Pass Road bypasses all the > buildup. :) > > Russ Holmes > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:45:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:45:37 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <03D99106-A72C-11D7-8570-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <006001c33b39$34dbcaa0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> SNIP; The Regia NA roles appear to show a very spread out group that will always have trouble getting together enough people for a good raiding party without incurring air line travel. What we need is a good raiding party to gather & maraud, getting sufficient booty to enable the rest of us to join them.. subsidised air travel! & where is Robin Hood when you need him??? [totally out of period, I know] Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:57:35 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <03D99106-A72C-11D7-8570-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: Also cannot believe how much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good thing). Darn, so much for natural selection! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 18:21:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:21:07 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Q re: Anglo Saxon overtunic Message-ID: <000e01c33b3e$2a3dcc10$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C33B03.7D6EF430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wes =F0u hal. I have put my gores in too high & am curious if there is = a way to avoid taking them out & re-inserting them. Yes. I'm feeling = lazy today. Are over-tunics hemmed shorter than the under-tunics? IIRC, the = over-tunic doesn't have a girdle. =20 How much shorter [if any], is the over-tunic than the under-tunic? & just what are these tunics properly called! Yes, Hazel. I know. = But, I really have to know these things. They burrow into my mind & = wiggle til I can answer them. LOL Jennifer who REALLY doesn't want to have to un-pick those long = seams...... Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C33B03.7D6EF430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wes =F0u hal.  I have put my gores = in too high=20 & am curious if there is a way to avoid taking them out & = re-inserting=20 them.  Yes.  I'm feeling lazy today.  = <G>
Are over-tunics hemmed shorter than the = under-tunics?  IIRC, the over-tunic doesn't have a girdle. =20
How much shorter [if any], is the = over-tunic than=20 the under-tunic?
& just what are these tunics=20 properly called!  Yes, Hazel.  I know.  But, I = really have=20 to know these things. <G>  They burrow into my mind & = wiggle til=20 I can answer them. LOL
Jennifer who REALLY doesn't want to = have to un-pick=20 those long seams......
 

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C33B03.7D6EF430-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 18:28:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20030625065359.02ce6598@mmail> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030625132817.02ce6598@mmail> >is there a website for this one? No, not really. The announcement for the general public is here in Icelandic: http://www.vefurinn.is/extra/frettir/dalir/Meira.asp?Nr=96&G=0 It's organized by the Dalir region tourism/commerce board: http://www.dalir.is/eng/ Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 18:38:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:38:57 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <2e46f1b7.999ac8e1.81ca200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. -- Tracie >Message: 16 >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of Biloxi? Do we have a >nucleus for a group? > >Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 19:08:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Russ Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <2e46f1b7.999ac8e1.81ca200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <20030625180816.26350.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> I, too, am 5-8 hours away depending on where Uncle Sam has me at the time. I know there is at least one person in the New Orleans area and one in the Biloxi area that would be very interested in forming a group. Russ Holmes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 20:19:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:19:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <2e46f1b7.999ac8e1.81ca200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business I have property at that exit!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 00:22:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (middleford archer) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030625232208.10717.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Top of the morning to ya. I was wondering if anyone could help me with a question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( like the one in Museum Replicas Limited) and I am having trouble finding a good way to put the lining in without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated. Edward MacTavish __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 00:27:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:27:21 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet References: <20030625232208.10717.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04dc01c33b71$53c52c80$c1702052@kim1> Seriously - wear a padded arming cap beneath the basic shell. Sewn linen or thick felt shaped into a skull cap. We can find little evidence for the often-seen "finger" liners. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "middleford archer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet > > Top of the morning to ya. > > I was wondering if anyone could help me with a > question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( like > the one in Museum Replicas Limited) and I am having > trouble finding a good way to put the lining in > without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help > it would be much appreciated. > > Edward MacTavish > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 01:51:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:51:48 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] lace Message-ID: <000801c33b7d$200e1350$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33B42.733A5970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there any laces.. i.e. needle laces... made prior to 1000 A.D.? = Jennifer who is learning to tat [yes, much later, but pretty] Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33B42.733A5970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are there any laces.. i.e. needle = laces... made=20 prior to 1000 A.D.?  Jennifer who is learning to tat [yes, much = later, but=20 pretty]

Jennifer Hill
=C6lfgifu
Wes = =F0u=20 hal.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33B42.733A5970-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 02:10:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Robert Woodman) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:10:28 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: >PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? > are you talking about the sword training weekend run by members of the The Vikings and people from all over the US? I too would also like to hear a report. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 04:35:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <03D99106-A72C-11D7-8570-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <046801c33b94$0da23a40$1006b1d8@olaf> You mean the Red Neck Riviera? I haven't been in a while, but it was built up & traffic was murder all the way back when I was young. I went there after High School Graduation & on Boot leave back in the '72/3. It is the place where all the Southern kids went for fun-much cheaper than Ft Lauderdale where all the rich Yankees went. Last time I went there was in 2001& it took 2 hours to drive the Miracle Mile. The Lifeguards weren't trying to keep you from drowning they were trying to get you to go back to the stores & buy more-especially from Mushroom Tees-the tee shirt shop my daughter & her SO own. One of my employees just got back from a training session at the home office in Tallahassee, I arranged for my daughter to pick her up from work & have a day at the beach. They had a good time except when they went swimming they ran into "a 2' long UGLY fish who's mouth looked like a saw" (maybe a 'cuda?) If you want to see quaint & beautiful unspoiled & take a step back in time go visit Chipley or Apalachicola. A drive along the cost from the Big Bend to PC is wonderful & very scenic. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > Sounds just like Panama City Beach in Florida just down 98. I never > got to see it before my in-laws moved there in the mid 90's. By my > tastes it was probably beautiful once but now it's like 42nd street NYC > on the beach. I've noticed just in the last 5 years that the > trash-to-sand ratio has gotten way out of hand. Also cannot believe how > much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good > thing). Every time I go for swim in Florida the lifeguards chase me > down with the jet ski's and ask me if I'm drowning. As much as I > despise Martha's Vinyard for being "snobbish", they have done the right > thing and kept the shore wild, the roads largely unpaved, neon lights > to a barely existant minimum and prohibited any structure higher than a > stout 2 story victorian or 9 window colonial at about 45feet. Privelege > of wealth I guess. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 04:38:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland References: <3.0.6.32.20030625065359.02ce6598@mmail> <3.0.6.32.20030625132817.02ce6598@mmail> Message-ID: <049701c33b94$7b4601d0$1006b1d8@olaf> Anything going on in early October? I may take the option to spend a night or two in Iceland on the way over this fall. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > No, not really. The announcement for the general public is here in Icelandic: > http://www.vefurinn.is/extra/frettir/dalir/Meira.asp?Nr=96&G=0 > > It's organized by the Dalir region tourism/commerce board: > http://www.dalir.is/eng/ > > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 05:11:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:11:33 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <049701c33b94$7b4601d0$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: <000001c33b99$13707cc0$01c8010a@JimComputer> A festival in Iceland in October? Way to cold for anything outside during October. There might be something indoors, but nothing that I would consider a festival. The only time that I was in Iceland was three years ago, and I attended the First of Summer Blot hosted by the Icelandic Asatruar Felagid, which is the 3rd Thor'sday of April. During the day in Reykjovik it reached about 10 F., dropping to about -20 at night. I would think that October would be colder than this. Smithur -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On Behalf Of Sudden Service #5 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:39 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland Anything going on in early October? I may take the option to spend a night or two in Iceland on the way over this fall. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > No, not really. The announcement for the general public is here in Icelandic: > http://www.vefurinn.is/extra/frettir/dalir/Meira.asp?Nr=96&G=0 > > It's organized by the Dalir region tourism/commerce board: > http://www.dalir.is/eng/ > > Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 07:09:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Peter James) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Thing at Lilies References: Message-ID: <3EFA8E0B.EEDF3C92@virgin.net> Replied privately Pete Robert Woodman wrote: > > >PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? > > > > are you talking about the sword training weekend run by members of the The > Vikings and people from all over the US? > I too would also like to hear a report. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 07:52:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:52:00 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A52A@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tracie Brown [mailto:trbrown@uga.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. -- Tracie >Message: 16 >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC >To: list-regia-na@lig.net >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of Biloxi? Do we have a >nucleus for a group? > >Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 07:55:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:55:49 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A531@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Jennifer, If you want "Robin Hood", you want Hereward the Wake, an actual person = on whom the legend of Robin Hood may be actually be based. (Great guy = too, thumbed his nose at William and dispatched a great number of Normans, = or so the stories go.) Bill -----Original Message----- From: J Hill [mailto:welshladygwen@citlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:46 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI SNIP; The Regia NA roles appear to show a very spread out group that will always have trouble getting together enough people for a good raiding party without incurring air line travel. What we need is a good raiding party to gather & maraud, getting = sufficient booty to enable the rest of us to join them.. subsidised air travel! & where is Robin Hood when you need him??? [totally out of period, I = know] Jennifer Jennifer Hill =C6lfgifu Wes =F0u hal. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 08:53:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:53:14 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A52A@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <057501c33bb7$ff56abf0$c1702052@kim1> The three members that start - and maintain - a group's Land Grant must live within the said land grant. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracie Brown [mailto:trbrown@uga.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would > say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 > enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. > My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in > one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to > gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at > 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking > back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is > vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying > the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they > drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. > -- Tracie > > >Message: 16 > >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of > Biloxi? Do we have a > >nucleus for a group? > > > >Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 08:56:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:56:05 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A58C@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> MUHAHAHA, so I could claim the whole South-east? The South shall rise again! Bill -----Original Message----- From: J K Siddorn [mailto:kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:53 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI The three members that start - and maintain - a group's Land Grant must live within the said land grant. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracie Brown [mailto:trbrown@uga.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would > say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 > enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. > My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in > one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to > gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at > 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking > back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is > vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying > the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they > drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. > -- Tracie > > >Message: 16 > >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of > Biloxi? Do we have a > >nucleus for a group? > > > >Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 09:12:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Allan McVie) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:12:30 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A58C@fsqfqe05.mildenha ll.af.mil> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030626091105.03081e38@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> At 07:56 26/06/2003 +0000, you wrote: >MUHAHAHA, so I could claim the whole South-east? The South shall rise >again! > >Bill Look what happens give a man a title and land and he becomes an mad empire builder ;-) Allan From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 09:28:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:28:42 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A5C1@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> I might just have to give up my title of King's Thegn and start calling myself "The Colonel" :o) Bill PS, I've been meaning to ask you and/or Andy, where are the Norse finds from Scotland? In Edinburgh? -----Original Message----- From: Allan McVie [mailto:amv2f@udcf.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:13 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI At 07:56 26/06/2003 +0000, you wrote: >MUHAHAHA, so I could claim the whole South-east? The South shall rise >again! > >Bill Look what happens give a man a title and land and he becomes an mad empire builder ;-) Allan _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 09:37:21 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Allan McVie) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A5C1@fsqfqe05.mildenha ll.af.mil> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030626093256.02f05d20@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> At 08:28 26/06/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I might just have to give up my title of King's Thegn and start calling >myself "The Colonel" :o) > >Bill > >PS, I've been meaning to ask you and/or Andy, where are the Norse finds from >Scotland? In Edinburgh? I am sure that Andy can expand on this but, the majority are in Edinburgh although Kelvingrove in Glasgow does have a few nice things on display however they are closing for ~30 months for refurbishment. The Huntarian here at the University of Glasgow has some nice things including a large thistle penanular, balance scale and weights. Allan From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 09:46:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:46:34 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Empires Message-ID: >=20 > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid=20 > members to form > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? =20 >=20 He may or may not be, for he is everywhere... On the other hand, his esteemed predecessor is. There is no distance restriction. Obviously over here, being a smaller = land, the land grants are relatively small - at nearly 4000 square miles mine = is one of the largest. Edward's Ontario holding simply dwarfs it. Of course, if you found a group with a large geographical area and it prospers, then you invariably end up granting subsets of it off to = nuclei who wish to do their own, more local, thing. (Galweg has a least four daughter groups within Regia - empire building is not merely a spatial concept, kinship bonds and loyalties have their uses too). Actually its three paid adult members. Gu=F0rum PS Apart from the National Museums in Edinburgh, and the Glasgow pair mentioned by Allan, there is also a lot of Scottish material in the = British Museum [give us our Lewis Chessmen back!].=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 09:50:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:50:25 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Empires Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A5D8@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Thank you gentlemen for the info. Maybe I can make a trip north before I leave. (Let me know if you ever get the Chessmen back, then I can make a claim on the Mildenhall Treasure!) Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 10:23:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:23:59 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Empires Message-ID: You cannot possibly go away without visiting the National Museum in Edinburgh, it would be criminal - and you've been meaning to for years. ...and if you don't see the originals, how could I sell you the = replicas? :-) Got a very nice Selkirk ring here... Gu=F0rum > -----Original Message----- > From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > [mailto:william.tate@mildenhall.af.mil] > Sent: 26 June 2003 09:50 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Empires >=20 >=20 > Thank you gentlemen for the info. Maybe I can make a trip=20 > north before I > leave. (Let me know if you ever get the Chessmen back, then=20 > I can make a > claim on the Mildenhall Treasure!)=20 >=20 > Bill >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >=20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 11:57:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Russ Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030626091105.03081e38@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030626105755.4939.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> > >MUHAHAHA, so I could claim the whole South-east? The South shall > rise > >again! > > > >Bill Hmmmm, so what would "South Land" be in Anglo Saxon.... Hmmmmmm... :) Russ Holmes ===== "Literature stops in 1100. After that it''s just books" J.R.R. Tolkien __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 12:05:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:05:54 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A6E7@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Let's try Norse, "Sudrike". (Maybe I could grow an evil, disaffected Generation X, goatee, too!) Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 13:21:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:21:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <049701c33b94$7b4601d0$1006b1d8@olaf> References: <3.0.6.32.20030625065359.02ce6598@mmail> <3.0.6.32.20030625132817.02ce6598@mmail> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030626082131.02cf29c8@mmail> "Sudden Service #5" wrote: >Anything going on in early October? I may take the option to spend a night >or two in Iceland on the way over this fall. I'm not aware of any events, but I highly recommend a visit to Iceland for anyone with an interest in the Viking age. One disappointment -- the National Museum will still be closed this fall (it's been closed for several years for renovations), which means that a lot of the collection is spread out in regional museums throughout the country. and then jim.smith@batnet.com wrote: >The only time that I was in Iceland was >three years ago, and I attended the First of Summer Blot hosted by the >Icelandic Asatruar Felagid, which is the 3rd Thor'sday of April. During >the day in Reykjovik it reached about 10 F., dropping to about -20 at= night. Sorry, but that doesn't sound right. According to the Icelandic Meteorological Office (http://www.vedur.is/english/megin.html), the lowest recorded temperature in Reykjav=EDk in April is -16.4C (+2F), and the usual low temperature is right around freezing. Because of the Gulf stream, temperatures are pretty constant: a bit above freezing in summer, a bit below in winter. It's the wind and rain and snow and clouds that can change in the blink of an eye. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 13:48:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Green Shield) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:48:42 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: I am about 2 hours away from Biloxi depending on how I feel that day. There is another fellow in or around that area who would be interested. One or two more near me(2 hrs away from Biloxi) and one or two in Shrevesport(5 hrs away) Scott Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 14:26:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: I know there is some weirdness between the two groups so out of respect = i haven't posted anything here about it. that being said, anyone who wants to speak to me privately about it, = feel free to email me privately Halvgrimr keeper of the peace -----Original Message----- From: Robert Woodman [mailto:jarlulf@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:10 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Standard? >PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? > are you talking about the sword training weekend run by members of the = The=20 Vikings and people from all over the US? I too would also like to hear a report. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 15:49:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:49:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030626144957.45835.qmail@web60006.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2075354662-1056638997=:45647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training & not a personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it went & if everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review openly then i wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject. Regards, Mik "Schuster, Robert L." wrote: I know there is some weirdness between the two groups so out of respect i haven't posted anything here about it. that being said, anyone who wants to speak to me privately about it, feel free to email me privately Halvgrimr keeper of the peace -----Original Message----- From: Robert Woodman [mailto:jarlulf@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:10 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Standard? >PS--How did the thing at Lilies go? > are you talking about the sword training weekend run by members of the The Vikings and people from all over the US? I too would also like to hear a report. _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training & not a personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it went & if everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review openly then i wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject.
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"Schuster, Robert L." <SchusterRL@umsystem.edu> wrote:
I know there is some weirdness between the two groups so out of respect i haven't posted anything here about it.
that being said, anyone who wants to speak to me privately about it, feel free to email me privately

Halvgrimr
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>PS--How did the thing at Lilies go?
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--0-2075354662-1056638997=:45647-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:08:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <006001c33b39$34dbcaa0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: Oh so true. It's that horse and cart thing again. Like a business, a=20 group needs critical mass to really make progress but you have to make=20= progress to get that mass. Brings back to mind a comment by Mr. Siddorn=20= about funding from the crown for Wychurst. I wonder what monies are=20 available in this great nation of ours for living history and Cultural=20= Heritage. Kind of a stretch but I wonder what might happen.... =20 Perhaps I shall start a quest. To look for Federal and perhaps State=20 funding for living history/arts and check out the application process. =20= Heck, if I could get a timber grant from state forest thinning in=20 Quabbin, we could have a great hall in no time. The biggest stick, once=20= again will be public access. If you get public money, it has to be a=20 place that the public can go to. That get's into permanent location and=20= tourism and insurance and all sorts of "stuff". I have plenty of space=20= but it's all heavily forested and under the MA Forestry Act(Ch.61).=20 Similar concept. One get's public money (or at least doesn't have to=20 pay it in taxes) to keep acreage forested. However; can't be posted,=20 public must be allowed. Creates a very real conflict when the ATV's=20 tear it up, start soil erosion and kick up fires with exhaust sparks,=20 not to mention the noise. Re: Mr. Tate; As the Rebels seem to be rising again, the North must prepare to meet=20= them. A call to New Regia Anglorum to pull together and raise a=20 fighting force. I'll have to go back to members and see what we have=20 North of Dixon County and plan an assembly. All those large military=20 bases in the south! I knew it was just a long patient plan for the=20 south to "Do it again!!" On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 12:45 PM, J Hill wrote: > SNIP; The Regia NA roles appear to show a very spread out group that > will always have trouble getting together enough people for a good > raiding party without incurring air line travel. > > What we need is a good raiding party to gather & maraud, getting=20 > sufficient > booty to enable the rest of us to join them.. subsidised air travel! = & > where is Robin Hood when you need him??? [totally out of period, I=20 > know] > Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > =C6lfgifu > Wes =F0u hal. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:08:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:08:30 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33BF4.CDD4D2C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training & not a = personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & = intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it went & if = everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review = openly then i wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject. ---ok, what i will do is post my feelings on my first steel weapons = experience, i hope that's ok =20 I will say that all in all it went well, apart from a few locals and a = group from Omaha, folk traveled from places as far apart as Phoenix, = Arizona; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; San Antonio, Texas to Toronto, Canada.=20 For some time i had had reservations about steel fighting =20 All I can say now is that I have been bitten by the bug and want to do = more =20 As much as I like (and defend) SCA fighting, there is nothing like the = sound of steel on steel ringing I get goose bumps just thinking about it! =20 We practiced the basic, we did some melee training (which was second = nature to me being from a melee oriented SCA kingdom), we did some = training against other weapons styles I have started to save up for a Paul Binns sword as they impressed the = hell out of me =20 I will also say that I know steel groups mostly avoid the SCA, this may = not be to wise, the interest alone we drew from the SCA is AMAZING, I = have around 10- 20 guys wanting to try this now, where as before I = couldn't find more that 2 or 3 Luckily my knight and squire brother are interested and we have = discussed starting a Vendel age group here=20 My main worry at this point is that there are alot of folks local to me = who attended but most have interests in various times, this will be our = biggest obstacle IMO (selecting a narrow time range) I hope I haven't offended anyone or over stepped my bounds Robb =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33BF4.CDD4D2C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training = & not a=20 personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & = intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it = went & if=20 everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review = openly then i=20 wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject.
 ---ok, what i will do is post my feelings on my = first steel=20 weapons experience, i hope that's ok
 

 I  will = say that all in all it went = well, apart from a few locals and a group from = Omaha,=20 folk traveled from places = as far=20 apart as Phoenix, Arizona; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; San Antonio, Texas to = Toronto, Canada.=20

For some time i had  had  reservations about = steel=20 fighting  
All I can say now is = that I have=20 been bitten by the bug and want to do more  
As much as  I  like (and defend) SCA = fighting,=20 there is nothing like the sound of steel on steel ringing
I get goose bumps just thinking = about=20 it!
 

We=20 practiced the basic, we did some melee training (which was second = nature to me=20 being from a melee oriented SCA kingdom), we did some training against = other=20 weapons styles

I  have started to save up = for a=20 Paul Binns sword as they impressed the hell out of=20 me  

I will also say that I know steel groups mostly = avoid the SCA,=20 this may not be to wise, the interest alone we drew from the SCA is=20 AMAZING,  I have around=20 10- 20 guys wanting = to try=20 this now, where as before I couldn't find more that 2 or=20 3

Luckily my knight and = squire brother=20 are interested and we have discussed starting a Vendel age group = here 

My=20 main worry at this point is that there are alot of folks local to me = who=20 attended but most have interests in various times, this will be = our=20 biggest obstacle IMO (selecting a narrow time range)

I=20 hope I haven't offended anyone or over stepped my=20 bounds

Robb

 

   

------_=_NextPart_001_01C33BF4.CDD4D2C4-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:19:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:19:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <20030626151918.FIGA22067.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.18]> Hi Bill At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group only had one solitary sole. It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A members (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be increased to six paid up members. I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is not the 'official' rule. There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of land. This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the minimum member numbers to six. Martin > > From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracie Brown [mailto:trbrown@uga.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would > say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 > enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. > My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in > one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to > gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at > 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking > back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is > vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying > the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they > drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. > -- Tracie > > >Message: 16 > >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of > Biloxi? Do we have a > >nucleus for a group? > > > >Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:30:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Maerwynn of Holme) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: <20030626153101.JCLS23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> So I've found a dragon and a fishie, did they make any other beasties int= o these sorts of banners? Maerwynn PS - My apologies for bringing something up in the wrong forum. I'm on to= o many lists with Halvgrimr... ;-) --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:32:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Pete James) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:32:50 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: <6170C7F0E7C6D51184F000C0CA193CEB3C1E61@MAILSERVER-UK> Lion ? -----Original Message----- From: Maerwynn of Holme [mailto:maerwynn@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:31 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] Standard? So I've found a dragon and a fishie, did they make any other beasties = into these sorts of banners? Maerwynn PS - My apologies for bringing something up in the wrong forum. I'm on = too many lists with Halvgrimr... ;-) --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:35:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:35:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: Message-ID: Quabbin? Central Mass, are you? Perhaps a phone call to the Sturbridge Village folks to see where they tap for funding might help? We had several (CT) school fieldtrips to that and Mystic Seaport (as well as a few family day trips to both places). I'd say the main difference is that Sturbridge and Mystic count for American History, while it's probably a harder sell for an English History site to American school systems. (Then again, you are in *New* England.) Since I know of no other medieval living history sites in this country, and most schools do study the medieval period, there might be potential from that angle. Perhaps you'd be allowed to thin enough timber to make a spot for a hall in a forest? If you opened it up to the public for specific demonstrations on specific weekends/weeks of the year, perhaps that would work? I suspect there are other folks on this list who have much more experience with such things. I'm just speculating! But if you've got the land you're way ahead of a lot of us. --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: OEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZU To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Oh so true. It's that horse and cart thing again. Like a business, a group needs critical mass to really make progress but you have to make progress to get that mass. Brings back to mind a comment by Mr. Siddorn about funding from the crown for Wychurst. I wonder what monies are available in this great nation of ours for living history and Cultural Heritage. Kind of a stretch but I wonder what might happen.... Perhaps I shall start a quest. To look for Federal and perhaps State funding for living history/arts and check out the application process. Heck, if I could get a timber grant from state forest thinning in Quabbin, we could have a great hall in no time. The biggest stick, once again will be public access. If you get public money, it has to be a place that the public can go to. That get's into permanent location and tourism and insurance and all sorts of "stuff". I have plenty of space but it's all heavily forested and under the MA Forestry Act(Ch.61). Similar concept. One get's public money (or at least doesn't have to pay it in taxes) to keep acreage forested. However; can't be posted, public must be allowed. Creates a very real conflict when the ATV's tear it up, start soil erosion and kick up fires with exhaust sparks, not to mention the noise. Re: Mr. Tate; As the Rebels seem to be rising again, the North must prepare to meet them. A call to New Regia Anglorum to pull together and raise a fighting force. I'll have to go back to members and see what we have North of Dixon County and plan an assembly. All those large military bases in the south! I knew it was just a long patient plan for the south to "Do it again!!" On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 12:45 PM, J Hill wrote: > SNIP; The Regia NA roles appear to show a very spread out group that > will always have trouble getting together enough people for a good > raiding party without incurring air line travel. > > What we need is a good raiding party to gather & maraud, getting > sufficient > booty to enable the rest of us to join them.. subsidised air travel! & > where is Robin Hood when you need him??? [totally out of period, I > know] > Jennifer > > Jennifer Hill > Ælfgifu > Wes ðu hal. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:44:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:44:33 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant References: <20030626151918.FIGA22067.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.18]> Message-ID: 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you can't go much more than 10, I'd think. The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and I have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and apply for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We cover some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, have fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to explain that this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > Hi Bill > At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. > As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group only had one solitary sole. > It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A members (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be increased to six paid up members. > I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is not the 'official' rule. > There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of land. > This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the minimum member numbers to six. > Martin > > > > > Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ > > Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form > > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > > > I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would > > say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 > > enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. > > My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in > > one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to > > gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at > > 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking > > back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is > > vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying > > the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they > > drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. > > -- Tracie > > > > >Message: 16 > > >Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT > > > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of > > Biloxi? Do we have a > > >nucleus for a group? > > > > > >Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 16:47:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet Message-ID:

Not an answer to you, but I was cleaning the spring rust off my MacKenzie-Smith helmet and found out that it had been sprayed with aluminum paint to cover up scratches. Do other manufacturers do this?

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> I was wondering if anyone could help me with a
>question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( like
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>without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help
>it would be much appreciated.
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MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:54:10 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:54:10 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Sweat, sweat, sweat (was RE: sprang (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC)0 In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF7769B6@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: No sympathy from me, I don't crawl out from under my rock until it=20 reaches 80=BA. There's some aspects of the southern way of life I could=20= do without, but I'm just a Damn Yankee( yes Jr., those are two separate=20= words). On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Tate William T Jr TSgt 352=20 OSS/SCSC wrote: > It's a PCS (for the civvies PCS =3D Permanent Change of Station), and=20= > quite > possibly my last...4 years til retirement! I'm looking at including a=20= > large > air conditioned marquee tent inside of which I can set up my wic (and=20= > I do > have enough gear to do my own!). > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Wed Jun 25 17:49:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] shoes In-Reply-To: <000801c33838$54d0a5f0$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> Message-ID: Problem with that is the hides are not uniform in thickness, so a fairer measure seems to be it's average weight per square foot. I like to see both, so you can tell a thinner high density hide from a thicker but softer one. The hide industry here in the US would rather just call it thin, medium and thick. There's a close enough correlation in veggie tanned cow hide to get by describing a thickness as a weight. 10-12oz is usually 6-8mm in veggie tanned bovine. On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 05:01 PM, Yolli wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] > On Behalf Of Matthew Marino > Sent: 19 June 2003 05:38 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Now I've only been making shoes for re-enactment since 1985 - but over > here in Old Blighty, we don't use the measurement of oz'sss for the > weight or thickness of leather. I think all we use is millimeters - but > I could have been overlooking the obvious for some time.... > > Cheers, Roll. > > > > > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] shoes > > It's not so bad. I used an edge-flesh seam to join the upper and sole. > I used an awl much like a bee stinger. short, sharp and curved with a > 1/2 radius, wax it often. So, your never going right through the 12oz. > As for the turn, agian, it's more patience than strength. If you turn a > little then put it down, turn a little and put it down again, eventualy > you've got it. If you try to put the gorilla grips on it and turn it by > force you'll likely just tear out a seam or two. > > It's worth the effort because a sole like that a.) lasts, b.) blocks > the bumps from your foot and c.) helps the rest of the shoe know which > way is down. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 15:40:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:40:20 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030626082131.02cf29c8@mmail> Message-ID: <1CCDFE05-A7E4-11D7-B276-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> Jumping in near the end as usual. And changing the subject. Hi Bill; So, it looks like your off to join your fellow Norse. I'm Jealous!!=20= Go to the shore and find me a small sea worn rock would you. Though,=20 the weather is finally come around to my liking! So, it sounds true=20 that Iceland is not what the name implies. Was that really a Norse ploy=20= to keep others from getting interested in the Island? Sounds a little=20 like Seattle. Right North but because of ocean currents is much milder=20= than an inland area at the same lattitude, (i.e. Seattle and=20 International Falls). May I please pick your brain again on the Maille? In the Norse Age, I=20= have read that the "wire" was drawn by hand by the smith (usually=20 apprentice). I have noticed on early reproduction maille that the=20 "wire" has a square section. Is this to indicate that the drawing was=20 done to the square? I'm thinking of riveting up my shirt over the next=20= few years. I have found a source that sells round section rings,=20 flatted and punched for riveted maille at a very reasonable rate. Do=20 you know anything about that? On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 08:21 AM, William R. Short wrote: > "Sudden Service #5" wrote: > >> Anything going on in early October? I may take the option to spend a=20= >> night >> or two in Iceland on the way over this fall. > > I'm not aware of any events, but I highly recommend a visit to Iceland=20= > for > anyone with an interest in the Viking age. One disappointment -- the > National Museum will still be closed this fall (it's been closed for > several years for renovations), which means that a lot of the=20 > collection is > spread out in regional museums throughout the country. > > and then jim.smith@batnet.com wrote: > >> The only time that I was in Iceland was >> three years ago, and I attended the First of Summer Blot hosted by = the >> Icelandic Asatruar Felagid, which is the 3rd Thor'sday of April. =20 >> During >> the day in Reykjovik it reached about 10 F., dropping to about -20 at=20= >> night. > > Sorry, but that doesn't sound right. According to the Icelandic > Meteorological Office (http://www.vedur.is/english/megin.html), the=20 > lowest > recorded temperature in Reykjav=EDk in April is -16.4C (+2F), and the=20= > usual > low temperature is right around freezing. > > Because of the Gulf stream, temperatures are pretty constant: a bit=20 > above > freezing in summer, a bit below in winter. It's the wind and rain and=20= > snow > and clouds that can change in the blink of an eye. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 17:10:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:10:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030626161042.96581.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1303562980-1056643842=:96061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It sounds like you enjoyed yourselves over there as much as we do in the uk.Not everyone fight to the same system but on the off chance that the UK members ever get over the water or the NA members can make it over here it's a good idea to be aware of Regias fighting style.Your problems start when you adopt the use or differant period weaponry because the fighting stlyes differ.Personally i'm quite happy at the moment fighting the one period,more than one period & the old saying "Jack of all trades master of none" may come up.Thats not to say that those more skilled than i can't master more than one periods fighting style? As long as fun was had by all & you felt that you got something out of it?May you keep on enjoying your selves. Regards, Mik "Schuster, Robert L." wrote: I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training & not a personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it went & if everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review openly then i wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject. ---ok, what i will do is post my feelings on my first steel weapons experience, i hope that's ok I will say that all in all it went well, apart from a few locals and a group from Omaha, folk traveled from places as far apart as Phoenix, Arizona; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; San Antonio, Texas to Toronto, Canada. For some time i had had reservations about steel fighting All I can say now is that I have been bitten by the bug and want to do more As much as I like (and defend) SCA fighting, there is nothing like the sound of steel on steel ringing I get goose bumps just thinking about it! We practiced the basic, we did some melee training (which was second nature to me being from a melee oriented SCA kingdom), we did some training against other weapons styles I have started to save up for a Paul Binns sword as they impressed the hell out of me I will also say that I know steel groups mostly avoid the SCA, this may not be to wise, the interest alone we drew from the SCA is AMAZING, I have around 10- 20 guys wanting to try this now, where as before I couldn't find more that 2 or 3 Luckily my knight and squire brother are interested and we have discussed starting a Vendel age group here My main worry at this point is that there are alot of folks local to me who attended but most have interests in various times, this will be our biggest obstacle IMO (selecting a narrow time range) I hope I haven't offended anyone or over stepped my bounds Robb To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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It sounds like you enjoyed yourselves over there as much as we do in the uk.Not everyone fight to the same system but on the off chance that the UK members ever get over the water or the NA members can make it over here it's a good idea to be aware of Regias fighting style.Your problems start when you adopt the use or differant period weaponry because the fighting stlyes differ.Personally i'm quite happy at the moment fighting the one period,more than one period & the old saying "Jack of all trades master of none" may come up.Thats not to say that those more skilled than i can't master more than one periods fighting style?
As long as fun was had by all & you felt that you got something out of it?May you keep on enjoying your selves.
Regards,
Mik

"Schuster, Robert L." <SchusterRL@umsystem.edu> wrote:
I suppose that if you are giving a fair review of the training & not a personal opinion on the people training then it would be fair & intresting to post it on the group?I'm intrested in how it went & if everyone enjoyed themselves but it you don't want to post a review openly then i wouldn't mind being in your post list on the subject.
 ---ok, what i will do is post my feelings on my first steel weapons experience, i hope that's ok
 

 I  will say that all in all it went well, apart from a few locals and a group from Omaha, folk traveled from places as far apart as Phoenix, Arizona; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; San Antonio, Texas to Toronto, Canada.

For some time i had  had  reservations about steel fighting  
All I can say now is that I have been bitten by the bug and want to do more  
As much as  I  like (and defend) SCA fighting, there is nothing like the sound of steel on steel ringing
I get goose bumps just thinking about it!
 

We practiced the basic, we did some melee training (which was second nature to me being from a melee oriented SCA kingdom), we did some training against other weapons styles

I  have started to save up for a Paul Binns sword as they impressed the hell out of me  

I will also say that I know steel groups mostly avoid the SCA, this may not be to wise, the interest alone we drew from the SCA is AMAZING,  I have around 10- 20 guys wanting to try this now, where as before I couldn't find more that 2 or 3

Luckily my knight and squire brother are interested and we have discussed starting a Vendel age group here 

My main worry at this point is that there are alot of folks local to me who attended but most have interests in various times, this will be our biggest obstacle IMO (selecting a narrow time range)

I hope I haven't offended anyone or over stepped my bounds

Robb

 

   



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--0-1303562980-1056643842=:96061-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 17:14:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030626121408.02cf29c8@mmail> crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: >Quabbin? Central Mass, are you? > >Perhaps a phone call to the Sturbridge Village folks to see where they tap >for funding might help? Another useful resource might be museums and other cultural institutions in the area. At Hurstwic, we had developed a nice relationship with Higgins Armory Museum, which was in a position to help us make connections with educational and grant-giving institutions. Alas, Hurstwic folded before the relationship bore fruit. >I'd say the main difference is that Sturbridge and Mystic count for American >History, while it's probably a harder sell for an English History site to >American school systems. On the other hand, Viking age history _is_ a part of the normal public school education, at least in Massachusetts. The first exposure is in the 5th grade, where Viking exploration of North America is part of the curriculum. (That's why virtually all the requests for school visits I get are from 5th grade teachers.) Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 17:23:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:23:27 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: <3.0.6.32.20030626121408.02cf29c8@mmail> Message-ID: I'm clearly out of touch with what's taught in public schools these days (except for K-2). I know we didn't study the Viking exploration of North America at all...um, 20+ years ago... --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: HPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFG To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? > crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > > >Quabbin? Central Mass, are you? > > > >Perhaps a phone call to the Sturbridge Village folks to see where they tap > >for funding might help? > > Another useful resource might be museums and other cultural institutions in > the area. At Hurstwic, we had developed a nice relationship with Higgins > Armory Museum, which was in a position to help us make connections with > educational and grant-giving institutions. Alas, Hurstwic folded before > the relationship bore fruit. > > >I'd say the main difference is that Sturbridge and Mystic count for American > >History, while it's probably a harder sell for an English History site to > >American school systems. > > On the other hand, Viking age history _is_ a part of the normal public > school education, at least in Massachusetts. The first exposure is in the > 5th grade, where Viking exploration of North America is part of the > curriculum. (That's why virtually all the requests for school visits I get > are from 5th grade teachers.) > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 17:25:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:25:33 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland In-Reply-To: <1CCDFE05-A7E4-11D7-B276-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030626082131.02cf29c8@mmail> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030626122533.02cf29c8@mmail> Matthew Marino wrote: >So, it sounds true=20 >that Iceland is not what the name implies. Was that really a Norse ploy=20 >to keep others from getting interested in the Island? The explanation I like best is that when sailing to Iceland from Norway, the first thing one sees is the glint of the ice on the Vatnaj=F6kull glacier. Thus, the name. > May I please pick your brain again on the Maille? Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand. Perhaps one of them could answer your questions. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 17:44:41 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ron Branga) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] introduction Message-ID: <47004.192.223.243.6.1056645881.squirrel@webmail.othalaacres.com> Wassail My name is Ron Branga and though originally from just north of Boston, I now live in the Monadnock region of NH with my family. We raise heritage chicken and heritage turkey, as well as having regular day jobs. I have an interest in Anglo Saxon England and the rest of the Germanic countries through learning and practicing of the pre-Christain religion of the same people. I will probably be a lurker, but maybe not:-) and wanted to say hello and introduce myself. I hope to learn much here. frith Ron Branga Eþelæceres/Othala Acres http://www.othalaacres.com http://homesteading.othalaacres.com http://library.othalaacres.com From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 18:11:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:11:37 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030626122533.02cf29c8@mmail> Message-ID: Yep go ahead, there are a couple of us here who know too much about mail. Hugz N. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of William R. Short > Sent: 26 June 2003 17:26 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Viking festival in Iceland > > > Matthew Marino wrote: > > >So, it sounds true > >that Iceland is not what the name implies. Was that really a Norse ploy > >to keep others from getting interested in the Island? > > The explanation I like best is that when sailing to Iceland from Norway, > the first thing one sees is the glint of the ice on the Vatnajökull > glacier. Thus, the name. > > > May I please pick your brain again on the Maille? > > Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more > authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand. > Perhaps one of them could answer your questions. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 18:24:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? Message-ID: > > Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more > authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand. > Perhaps one of them could answer your questions. > > Bill IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner = (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.") = states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section from = Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a chain. I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that = "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility = of some flat rectangular sectioned links." I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done = more research on the subject than I have. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 18:30:33 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:30:33 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet References: Message-ID: <067601c33c08$a5a5b050$c1702052@kim1> I would most sincerely hope not! Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Sunlin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Helmet > Not an answer to you, but I was cleaning the spring rust off my MacKenzie-Smith helmet and found out that it had been sprayed with aluminum paint to cover up scratches. Do other manufacturers do this? > > On manræden, > > Osweald of Baldurstrand > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/California_Viking_Age > http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/ > >From: middleford archer > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > >Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:22:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Top of the morning to ya. > > > > I was wondering if anyone could help me with a > >question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( like > >the one in Museum Replicas Limited) and I am having > >trouble finding a good way to put the lining in > >without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help > >it would be much appreciated. > > > > Edward MacTavish > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >list-regia-na mailing list > >list-regia-na@lig.net > >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 20:13:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet Message-ID: <20030626121308.9777.h004.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> Off the top off my head, I'll suggest that helmets from the period do not seem to have evidence that a liner or suspension was attached to the helmet. The helmets I have read about do not seem to have holes for lacing a liner. Neither do there seem to be evidence that a liner was riveted in, at least the rivets don't seem to indicate there was any bits of liner squished in between their rivet heads and the helmet body. What about the St. Wencelaus helmet? Does that have a row of holes around the bottom? Could they have been for suspending a mail aventail? I don't think there's enough of the Gjermundbu helmet to really have a good opinion. Something I think is interesting about the Coppergate (or Anglian) helmet is there is evidence for some sort of leather tie on the check peices to fix it under the wearer's chin. That's interesting in particular because it is a tie, and not a buckle which seems to be the more popular approach with reenactors today. It is an interesting question. The thinking seems to be that some sort of cap was worn under the helmet. What kind of cap? Felt, leather, quilted cloth? Etc? I've seen a photo of a later medieval cap (German?) made of rope. I personally go for the felt or leather cap theory myself. What did the Romans do with their helmets? > > > I was wondering if anyone could help me with a > > >question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( like > > >the one in Museum Replicas Limited) and I am having > > >trouble finding a good way to put the lining in > > >without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help > > >it would be much appreciated. From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 20:22:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Halvgrimr wrote: >I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that >"There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility of >some flat rectangular sectioned links." > >I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done >more research on the subject than I have. If this is the same Russell Scott who wrote "Female Viking Dress," don't count on it. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 20:36:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A5C1@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: I might just have to give up my title of King's Thegn and start calling myself "The Colonel" :o) I'm getting visions of Seersucker on the battlefield! Oh and thin neckties!!! AARRGGHHH!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 20:36:28 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <046801c33b94$0da23a40$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: Sounds like an Alligator Gar. Them's good eatin'! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or -----Original Message----- They had a good time except when they went swimming they ran into "a 2' long UGLY fish who's mouth looked like a saw" (maybe a 'cuda?) From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 20:46:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Ancient Arsenal In-Reply-To: <20030626105755.4939.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is the link to a wonderful new show on Discovery Channel: http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/series.jsp?series=23727&gid=9817&channel=D SC Right now they only have two episodes: Fire Ships Sailing the Mediterranean was once a dangerous endeavor. Roaming the seas for 500 years was a vessel that inspired dread—the fireship. Invented by the Byzantines, this battleship was stocked with incendiary firing catapults and a monster flame thrower. Chariots of War The city state of Assyria regained its lost empire. With a formidable army of chariots they rapidly dominated the Near East. Experts attempt to recreate the chariots of the Assyrian military machine, following the changes in design over 300 years. Chariots of War was awesome. What these Haran brothers with bending wood was amazing!!!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 22:07:22 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2DE518A9-A81A-11D7-B277-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Flat rectangular sounds more like "was round and got pounded flat to make a riveting surface". Which makes sense. So, sounds like round wire with flattened overlaps for the rivets was the order of the day. Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an option if they were open more than 1 hour a week. So, I can procure, at reasonable cost, soft steel round section rings with flattened overlapped ends. The same supplier sells triangular copper rivets for assembly. Sound reasonable enough for a 10th Century Saxon? Bigger question: Are Saxon and Norse weapons and armor of the same period close enough to be considered one and the same, or at least pertinent to each other? On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote: > >> >> Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more >> authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand. >> Perhaps one of them could answer your questions. >> >> Bill > > > IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner > (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.") > states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section > from Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a > chain. > > I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that > "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility > of some flat rectangular sectioned links." > > I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done > more research on the subject than I have. > > Halvgrimr > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 22:18:12 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? Message-ID: Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of=20 these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow=20 registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an=20 option if they were open more than 1 hour a week. --the university i work for also allows staff to use the library (thank = god!) infact my staff privileges allow me to check out books as if i was a = grad student (ie i can keep them for up to 6 months) have any friends at a University that are staff? Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 22:37:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:37:16 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <046801c33b94$0da23a40$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: <5B50F9EC-A81E-11D7-B277-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Yup, that's the place. I have mixed emotions on the Florida beaches.=20 Sugar sand is comfy to walk on and doesn't get hot, but sticks like=20 glue and is BORING to snorkel around. Other problem is that when the=20 water gets warm it gets "RICH". Not that the sea water here in=20 Massachusetts isn't a varitable soup, but when it's 84=BA it seems slimy=20= in a way 65=BA never does, much like Stout. It's still a cheap vacation.=20= Believe it or not they are building even more hotels on the beach There are some unspoiled places I will admit. Mexico Beach and the=20 shore behind Tyndall AFB are wild. Mom-in-law almost grabbed a small=20 gator by the tail because she doesn't wear her glasses at the beach and=20= thought it was drift wood. The jump and hiss clued her in. Apalachicola=20= is beautiful, more like a small southern town on the gulf. Don't mean=20= to pick on it so. The locals are mostly hard working, good people and=20 the most obnoxious tourist I've run into were all from "up North". =20 Folks do suffer from what we call the Port Authority Syndrome. Take the=20= Ferry to Nantucket in November and the sailors are as friendly and=20 helpful as can be. In August, they harbor a deep and merciless hatred=20 for humanity. The only time we really can't handle in PCB is spring=20 break. How such a holy rolling part of the bible belt ended up as the=20 center of leacherous college headonism is beyond me. Church, bar,=20 church, Club LaVela, church, porn shop, church, bar, etc. on down the=20 strip. On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Sudden Service #5 wrote: > You mean the Red Neck Riviera? I haven't been in a while, but it=20= > was > built up & traffic was murder all the way back when I was young. I=20 > went > there after High School Graduation & on Boot leave back in the '72/3. =20= > It is > the place where all the Southern kids went for fun-much cheaper than = Ft > Lauderdale where all the rich Yankees went. Last time I went there=20 > was in > 2001& it took 2 hours to drive the Miracle Mile. > The Lifeguards weren't trying to keep you from drowning they were=20= > trying > to get you to go back to the stores & buy more-especially from = Mushroom > Tees-the tee shirt shop my daughter & her SO own. One of my employees=20= > just > got back from a training session at the home office in Tallahassee, I > arranged for my daughter to pick her up from work & have a day at the=20= > beach. > They had a good time except when they went swimming they ran into "a=20= > 2' long > UGLY fish who's mouth looked like a saw" (maybe a 'cuda?) > If you want to see quaint & beautiful unspoiled & take a step back=20= > in > time go visit Chipley or Apalachicola. A drive along the cost from=20 > the Big > Bend to PC is wonderful & very scenic. > Pax, > Olaf > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Sounds just like Panama City Beach in Florida just down 98. I=20 >> never >> got to see it before my in-laws moved there in the mid 90's. By my >> tastes it was probably beautiful once but now it's like 42nd street=20= >> NYC >> on the beach. I've noticed just in the last 5 years that the >> trash-to-sand ratio has gotten way out of hand. Also cannot believe=20= >> how >> much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good >> thing). Every time I go for swim in Florida the lifeguards chase me >> down with the jet ski's and ask me if I'm drowning. As much as I >> despise Martha's Vinyard for being "snobbish", they have done the=20 >> right >> thing and kept the shore wild, the roads largely unpaved, neon lights >> to a barely existant minimum and prohibited any structure higher than=20= >> a >> stout 2 story victorian or 9 window colonial at about 45feet.=20 >> Privelege >> of wealth I guess. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 22:56:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:56:31 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet Message-ID: The helmets I have read about do not seem to have holes for lacing a liner. Neither do there seem to be evidence that a liner was riveted in, at least the rivets don't seem to indicate there was any bits of liner squished in between their rivet heads and the helmet body. =20 --question i agree that riveting a liner in is a bad idea, what about sewing on in? i know the helms i am about to mention are much earlier than Regia's = time period (they date to the 5-9 th century IIRC) but what do you think = the holes in these helms are for? (the ones around the browband and = checkplates where applicable) http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/helms/vezer.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/helms/stv2.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/helms/mork.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/helms/gamm.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~winsloww/archives/helms/bald.jpg as for mail curtains i can buy that when the holes on the browband DON'T = go a full 360 its the holes on the checkplates that raise my brow one might say they were for a leather (or other material) edging but = most of them holes seem to far inset for that. any replies welcome as this is truly a question not a statement;) Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 23:31:17 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Forming Group Message-ID: <002e01c33c32$aabc3bc0$7900a8c0@field> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C33C11.21A248A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dare say that with Bill's experience and as a driving force a good = case could be made for only five members to kick things off. 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I dare say that with Bill's experience = and as a=20  driving force a good case could be made for only five members = to kick=20 things off.
Martin.
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C33C11.21A248A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Thu Jun 26 23:42:38 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Brand N Flossi) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <005401c33c34$400bffc0$21967ad5@brcxb0w56b3wp5e> There are as far as I know no Sq. section Mail found for this period. There are some Sub-rectangular rings.... But I've never been able to speak to some one who describes something as sub rectangular to get an idea of what they are talking about. Rings in this period seem to be with round / oval flat with some sub-rectangular thrown in. Please be aware though there are precious few finds for mail for anyone to make a definite. Later rings are flat/round with quite a few half round and half flat. (2 in the Wallace collection). One in Outreamer was made up of slit rings (kind of a smaller version of the 2 lapped keyrings....) Hope that Helps Brand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Halvgrimr wrote: > > >I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that > >"There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility of > >some flat rectangular sectioned links." > > > >I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done > >more research on the subject than I have. > > If this is the same Russell Scott who wrote "Female Viking Dress," don't > count on it. > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 00:07:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:07:11 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet In-Reply-To: <20030626121308.9777.h004.c001.wm@mail.idlh.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base. It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ... http://www.arador.com/wenceslaus.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg And i agree, no evidence for internaly fixed padding (or even suspension webbing) afaik. Not as familair with the vendel stuff as i would like to be, anyone care to comment from that front. Hugz N. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of tgs@idlh.net > Sent: 26 June 2003 20:13 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Helmet > > > Off the top off my head, I'll suggest that helmets from > the period do not seem to have evidence that a liner or > suspension was attached to the helmet. > > The helmets I have read about do not seem to have holes > for lacing a liner. Neither do there seem to be > evidence that a liner was riveted in, at least the > rivets don't seem to indicate there was any bits of > liner squished in between their rivet heads and the > helmet body. > > What about the St. Wencelaus helmet? Does that have a > row of holes around the bottom? Could they have been > for suspending a mail aventail? I don't think there's > enough of the Gjermundbu helmet to really have a good > opinion. > > Something I think is interesting about the Coppergate > (or Anglian) helmet is there is evidence for some sort > of leather tie on the check peices to fix it under the > wearer's chin. That's interesting in particular > because it is a tie, and not a buckle which seems to be > the more popular approach with reenactors today. > > It is an interesting question. The thinking seems to > be that some sort of cap was worn under the helmet. > What kind of cap? Felt, leather, quilted cloth? Etc? > I've seen a photo of a later medieval cap (German?) > made of rope. > > I personally go for the felt or leather cap theory > myself. > > What did the Romans do with their helmets? > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could help me with a > > > >question that I have? I purchased a Norman helm( > like > > > >the one in Museum Replicas Limited) and I am having > > > >trouble finding a good way to put the lining in > > > >without covering the eyebrows. If anyone could help > > > >it would be much appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 00:32:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:32:13 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: <005401c33c34$400bffc0$21967ad5@brcxb0w56b3wp5e> Message-ID: We do have a major problem in that mail is almost impossible to date out of context. Very few pieces of mail have been exposed to metalurgical testing (that would prove the origin). Brand is bang on the mark, round section links with a lapped section with round/square rivets (not wedges) with a domed head are the ideal for our period (secure contexts). This seems to follow the general pattern of Roman mail construction, but mail from our period is generally percieved to be 'chunkier' (larger id and wire guage). Wedge rivets in 'sub-rectangular' (squished bits of wire to you and me) links are mostly associated with the production coming out of germany in the C12/13th+. I echo brands warning "Please be aware though there are precious few finds for mail for anyone to make a definite." i have spoken to a number of people who want to make sweeping statements about mail styles, I am yet to be swayed by the evidence presented. Often i have seen a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy it must be xxx because it has xxx characteristics, however the characteristics of xxx are often based on a woefully small subset of mail often from insecure contexts (or out of context). Hugz N. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of Brand N Flossi > Sent: 26 June 2003 23:43 > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail? > > > There are as far as I know no Sq. section Mail found for this period. > > There are some Sub-rectangular rings.... But I've never been able to speak > to some one who describes something as sub rectangular to get an idea of > what they are talking about. > > Rings in this period seem to be with round / oval flat with some > sub-rectangular thrown in. > > Please be aware though there are precious few finds for mail for anyone to > make a definite. > > Later rings are flat/round with quite a few half round and half > flat. (2 in > the Wallace collection). One in Outreamer was made up of slit > rings (kind of > a smaller version of the 2 lapped keyrings....) > > Hope that Helps > > Brand > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? > > > > Halvgrimr wrote: > > > > >I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that > > >"There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the > possibility of > > >some flat rectangular sectioned links." > > > > > >I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done > > >more research on the subject than I have. > > > > If this is the same Russell Scott who wrote "Female Viking Dress," don't > > count on it. > > > > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 00:41:52 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:41:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: <2DE518A9-A81A-11D7-B277-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <20030626234152.29767.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-595049489-1056670912=:28760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I believe in war gear the Norse lagged behind thier Europian neighbours in the adoption of longer mail shirts & long shields.1066 is a good date to worry about because i haven't heard any one give an opinion about Norse war gear.Fashions were probably very close in civilian dress & quite possibly it would be difficult to tell Saxon,Norse,Norman or Frank apart on or off the battle field.Lang Seaxs seem to have been a high status Saxon weapon with the same care given to there construction as a sword.The Norweigian verion of the Lang Seax had sword fittings & is refered to as a single edged sword. Possibly 1042 would be the water shed {although to be honest that date is off the top of my head} where you would find the average Saxon in a long mail shirt & a Norseman in a shorter mailshirt.The Saxon carring the long shield & the Norseman with his old round shield? If nothing else subsequent replies will reveal any flaws in my knowlege. mik Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: Flat rectangular sounds more like "was round and got pounded flat to make a riveting surface". Which makes sense. So, sounds like round wire with flattened overlaps for the rivets was the order of the day. Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an option if they were open more than 1 hour a week. So, I can procure, at reasonable cost, soft steel round section rings with flattened overlapped ends. The same supplier sells triangular copper rivets for assembly. Sound reasonable enough for a 10th Century Saxon? Bigger question: Are Saxon and Norse weapons and armor of the same period close enough to be considered one and the same, or at least pertinent to each other? On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote: > >> >> Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more >> authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand. >> Perhaps one of them could answer your questions. >> >> Bill > > > IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner > (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.") > states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section > from Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a > chain. > > I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that > "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility > of some flat rectangular sectioned links." > > I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done > more research on the subject than I have. > > Halvgrimr > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I believe in war gear the Norse lagged behind thier Europian neighbours in the adoption of longer mail shirts & long shields.1066 is a good date to worry about because i haven't heard any one give an opinion about Norse war gear.Fashions were probably very close in civilian dress & quite possibly it would be difficult to tell Saxon,Norse,Norman or Frank apart on or off the battle field.Lang Seaxs seem to have been a high status Saxon weapon with the same care given to there construction as a sword.The Norweigian verion of the Lang Seax had sword fittings & is refered to as a single edged sword.
Possibly 1042 would be the water shed {although to be honest that date is off the top of my head} where you would find the average Saxon in a long mail shirt & a Norseman in a shorter mailshirt.The Saxon carring the long shield & the Norseman with his old round shield?
If nothing else subsequent replies will reveal any flaws in my knowlege.
mik

Wulfhere se Treowryhta <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:
Flat rectangular sounds more like "was round and got pounded flat to
make a riveting surface". Which makes sense. So, sounds like round wire
with flattened overlaps for the rivets was the order of the day.

Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of
these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow
registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an
option if they were open more than 1 hour a week.

So, I can procure, at reasonable cost, soft steel round section rings
with flattened overlapped ends. The same supplier sells triangular
copper rivets for assembly. Sound reasonable enough for a 10th Century
Saxon?

Bigger question: Are Saxon and Norse weapons and armor of the same
period close enough to be considered one and the same, or at least
pertinent to each other?


On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote:

>
>>
>> Actually, there are probably people reading this list with more
>> authoritative sources on Viking age mail than I have readily at hand.
>> Perhaps one of them could answer your questions.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> IIRC the article "Catalogue of Scandinavian mail" by Sonia A. O'Conner
> (which is in Dominic Tweddle's "The Anglian Helmet from Coppergate.")
> states that there is some evidence of mail of square cross section
> from Tuna, Gotland but they were unsure if this was mail or part of a
> chain.
>
> I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that
> "There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility
> of some flat rectangular sectioned links."
>
> I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done
> more research on the subject than I have.
>
> Halvgrimr
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--0-595049489-1056670912=:28760-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 00:47:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:47:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <5B50F9EC-A81E-11D7-B277-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <20030626234759.41806.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1305031647-1056671279=:40613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit People,as i look out on our poluted beach with it's quick sands,rip tides & suspicious floaty things,floating in the near freezing Irish sea.I will think of you suffering with bordom in your 84 degree sea & sugar sand. Mik,with tongue firmly in cheek Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: Yup, that's the place. I have mixed emotions on the Florida beaches. Sugar sand is comfy to walk on and doesn't get hot, but sticks like glue and is BORING to snorkel around. Other problem is that when the water gets warm it gets "RICH". Not that the sea water here in Massachusetts isn't a varitable soup, but when it's 84º it seems slimy in a way 65º never does, much like Stout. It's still a cheap vacation. Believe it or not they are building even more hotels on the beach There are some unspoiled places I will admit. Mexico Beach and the shore behind Tyndall AFB are wild. Mom-in-law almost grabbed a small gator by the tail because she doesn't wear her glasses at the beach and thought it was drift wood. The jump and hiss clued her in. Apalachicola is beautiful, more like a small southern town on the gulf. Don't mean to pick on it so. The locals are mostly hard working, good people and the most obnoxious tourist I've run into were all from "up North". Folks do suffer from what we call the Port Authority Syndrome. Take the Ferry to Nantucket in November and the sailors are as friendly and helpful as can be. In August, they harbor a deep and merciless hatred for humanity. The only time we really can't handle in PCB is spring break. How such a holy rolling part of the bible belt ended up as the center of leacherous college headonism is beyond me. Church, bar, church, Club LaVela, church, porn shop, church, bar, etc. on down the strip. On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Sudden Service #5 wrote: > You mean the Red Neck Riviera? I haven't been in a while, but it > was > built up & traffic was murder all the way back when I was young. I > went > there after High School Graduation & on Boot leave back in the '72/3. > It is > the place where all the Southern kids went for fun-much cheaper than Ft > Lauderdale where all the rich Yankees went. Last time I went there > was in > 2001& it took 2 hours to drive the Miracle Mile. > The Lifeguards weren't trying to keep you from drowning they were > trying > to get you to go back to the stores & buy more-especially from Mushroom > Tees-the tee shirt shop my daughter & her SO own. One of my employees > just > got back from a training session at the home office in Tallahassee, I > arranged for my daughter to pick her up from work & have a day at the > beach. > They had a good time except when they went swimming they ran into "a > 2' long > UGLY fish who's mouth looked like a saw" (maybe a 'cuda?) > If you want to see quaint & beautiful unspoiled & take a step back > in > time go visit Chipley or Apalachicola. A drive along the cost from > the Big > Bend to PC is wonderful & very scenic. > Pax, > Olaf > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Sounds just like Panama City Beach in Florida just down 98. I >> never >> got to see it before my in-laws moved there in the mid 90's. By my >> tastes it was probably beautiful once but now it's like 42nd street >> NYC >> on the beach. I've noticed just in the last 5 years that the >> trash-to-sand ratio has gotten way out of hand. Also cannot believe >> how >> much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good >> thing). Every time I go for swim in Florida the lifeguards chase me >> down with the jet ski's and ask me if I'm drowning. As much as I >> despise Martha's Vinyard for being "snobbish", they have done the >> right >> thing and kept the shore wild, the roads largely unpaved, neon lights >> to a barely existant minimum and prohibited any structure higher than >> a >> stout 2 story victorian or 9 window colonial at about 45feet. >> Privelege >> of wealth I guess. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-1305031647-1056671279=:40613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
People,as i look out on our poluted beach with it's quick sands,rip tides & suspicious floaty things,floating in the near freezing Irish sea.I will think of you suffering with bordom in your 84 degree sea & sugar sand.
Mik,with tongue firmly in cheek

Wulfhere se Treowryhta <wulfhere@masspostroad.net> wrote:
Yup, that's the place. I have mixed emotions on the Florida beaches.
Sugar sand is comfy to walk on and doesn't get hot, but sticks like
glue and is BORING to snorkel around. Other problem is that when the
water gets warm it gets "RICH". Not that the sea water here in
Massachusetts isn't a varitable soup, but when it's 84º it seems slimy
in a way 65º never does, much like Stout. It's still a cheap vacation.
Believe it or not they are building even more hotels on the beach

There are some unspoiled places I will admit. Mexico Beach and the
shore behind Tyndall AFB are wild. Mom-in-law almost grabbed a small
gator by the tail because she doesn't wear her glasses at the beach and
thought it was drift wood. The jump and hiss clued her in. Apalachicola
is beautiful, more like a small southern town on the gulf. Don't mean
to pick on it so. The locals are mostly hard working, good people and
the most obnoxious tourist I've run into were all from "up North".
Folks do suffer from what we call the Port Authority Syndrome. Take the
Ferry to Nantucket in November and the sailors are as friendly and
helpful as can be. In August, they harbor a deep and merciless hatred
for humanity. The only time we really can't handle in PCB is spring
break. How such a holy rolling part of the bible belt ended up as the
center of leacherous college headonism is beyond me. Church, bar,
church, Club LaVela, church, porn shop, church, bar, etc. on down the
strip.


On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Sudden Service #5 wrote:

> You mean the Red Neck Riviera? I haven't been in a while, but it
> was
> built up & traffic was murder all the way back when I was young. I
> went
> there after High School Graduation & on Boot leave back in the '72/3.
> It is
> the place where all the Southern kids went for fun-much cheaper than Ft
> Lauderdale where all the rich Yankees went. Last time I went there
> was in
> 2001& it took 2 hours to drive the Miracle Mile.
> The Lifeguards weren't trying to keep you from drowning they were
> trying
> to get you to go back to the stores & buy more-especially from Mushroom
> Tees-the tee shirt shop my daughter & her SO own. One of my employees
> just
> got back from a training session at the home office in Tallahassee, I
> arranged for my daughter to pick her up from work & have a day at the
> beach.
> They had a good time except when they went swimming they ran into "a
> 2' long
> UGLY fish who's mouth looked like a saw" (maybe a 'cuda?)
> If you want to see quaint & beautiful unspoiled & take a step back
> in
> time go visit Chipley or Apalachicola. A drive along the cost from
> the Big
> Bend to PC is wonderful & very scenic.
> Pax,
> Olaf
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>> Sounds just like Panama City Beach in Florida just down 98. I
>> never
>> got to see it before my in-laws moved there in the mid 90's. By my
>> tastes it was probably beautiful once but now it's like 42nd street
>> NYC
>> on the beach. I've noticed just in the last 5 years that the
>> trash-to-sand ratio has gotten way out of hand. Also cannot believe
>> how
>> much people drink and how seldom they go in the water(probably a good
>> thing). Every time I go for swim in Florida the lifeguards chase me
>> down with the jet ski's and ask me if I'm drowning. As much as I
>> despise Martha's Vinyard for being "snobbish", they have done the
>> right
>> thing and kept the shore wild, the roads largely unpaved, neon lights
>> to a barely existant minimum and prohibited any structure higher than
>> a
>> stout 2 story victorian or 9 window colonial at about 45feet.
>> Privelege
>> of wealth I guess.
>
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--0-1305031647-1056671279=:40613-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 01:21:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:21:44 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: Message-ID: <096501c33c42$177f1b60$1006b1d8@olaf> Could be but I thought they were freshwater fish? They were swimming in the Gulf of Mexico. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > Sounds like an Alligator Gar. Them's good eatin'! > > Soffya Appollonia Tudja > http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm > Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable > three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 01:50:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:50:43 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <20030626234759.41806.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0a3701c33c46$241c5640$1006b1d8@olaf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A34_01C33C24.9C34C8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I sit in my small apartment, in MA, on the warmest day we have = had since last summer, only about 88, I keep thinking about going to = work for my daughter on PC Beach. The coldest day there is only about = 35 for a night or 2 & it got down to -10 here in Natick for a couple of = weeks this winter. Still all is not bad, I have Pennsic coming up, = with a class on Viking Clay Mold Casting to teach; a second store to = open & a trip to Europe to plan for October-which my daughter Sonja will = join me for part of. Life is good, now if I could just find a = girlfriend-how was it that the Vikings did it? "First you Pillage then = you Burn?" Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mik lawson=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI People,as i look out on our poluted beach with it's quick sands,rip = tides & suspicious floaty things,floating in the near freezing Irish = sea.I will think of you suffering with bordom in your 84 degree sea & = sugar sand. Mik,with tongue firmly in cheek Wulfhere se Treowryhta wrote: ------=_NextPart_000_0A34_01C33C24.9C34C8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    As I sit in my small = apartment,=20 in MA, on the warmest day we have had since last summer, only about 88, = I keep=20 thinking about going to work for my daughter on PC Beach.  The = coldest=20 day there is only about 35 for a night or 2 & it got down to = -10=20 here in Natick for a couple of weeks this winter.   = Still=20 all is not bad, I have Pennsic coming up, with a class on Viking Clay = Mold=20 Casting to teach; a second store to open & a trip to Europe to = plan for=20 October-which my daughter Sonja will join me for part of.  Life is = good,=20 now if I could just find a girlfriend-how was it that the Vikings did = it? =20 "First you Pillage then you Burn?"
Pax,
Olaf
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mik=20 lawson
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 = 7:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] PC = Beach-RE: Was=20 sprang BILOXI

People,as i look out on our poluted beach with it's quick = sands,rip tides=20 & suspicious floaty things,floating in the near freezing Irish = sea.I will=20 think of you suffering with bordom in your 84 degree sea & sugar=20 sand.
Mik,with tongue firmly in cheek

Wulfhere se = Treowryhta=20 <wulfhere@masspostroad.net&g= t;=20 wrote:
------=_NextPart_000_0A34_01C33C24.9C34C8A0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 02:13:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <5B50F9EC-A81E-11D7-B277-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <0a3d01c33c49$48f598c0$1006b1d8@olaf> If you can take a diving class & ask around you can find some good places to dive wrecks around PC, according to my daughter. I can't dive any more, due to ruptured ear drums. I did learn in CT, diving in lakes back when I was stationed at Groton. Now there was a "rich" environment, along with ski boats to make surfacing an interesting proposition. Now if you want to go diving some place interesting go visit Sandy at home in Oz. I hear they have some interesting fish & coral down there. The Beach is it's own world, it is where all the repressed Southern youth go to rebel against the social confinement that they suffer under in their home towns/counties. It is big enough that they are not likely for the local Preacher to see them making fools of themselves or drunk in the middle of the street. The average age on the Miracle Mile is likely to be 19 years old & that includes the old folks like my daughter who is 28. Supposedly the drinking has been decreased since they raised the age to 21. The cops there are still the typical Southern Cops, the Police Chief was just in the news for telling the "Girls Gone Wild" production crew that anyone encouraging anyone to take their cloths off would be arrested. He is also well known to bust those kids who are caught drinking under age. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wulfhere se Treowryhta" Yup, that's the place. I have mixed emotions on the Florida beaches. Sugar sand is comfy to walk on and doesn't get hot, but sticks like glue and is BORING to snorkel around. Other problem is that when the water gets warm it gets "RICH". Not that the sea water here in Massachusetts isn't a varitable soup, but when it's 84º it seems slimy in a way 65º never does, much like Stout. It's still a cheap vacation. Believe it or not they are building even more hotels on the beach There are some unspoiled places I will admit. Mexico Beach and the shore behind Tyndall AFB are wild. Mom-in-law almost grabbed a small gator by the tail because she doesn't wear her glasses at the beach and thought it was drift wood. The jump and hiss clued her in. Apalachicola is beautiful, more like a small southern town on the gulf. Don't mean to pick on it so. The locals are mostly hard working, good people and the most obnoxious tourist I've run into were all from "up North". Folks do suffer from what we call the Port Authority Syndrome. Take the Ferry to Nantucket in November and the sailors are as friendly and helpful as can be. In August, they harbor a deep and merciless hatred for humanity. The only time we really can't handle in PCB is spring break. How such a holy rolling part of the bible belt ended up as the center of leacherous college headonism is beyond me. Church, bar, church, Club LaVela, church, porn shop, church, bar, etc. on down the strip. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 03:08:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:08:42 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: Message-ID: <0aee01c33c51$091bcbe0$1006b1d8@olaf> Off & on for the past 3 years I have been looking into starting a Non Profit Center for Medieval Studies in New Hampshire. I have been talking with some people in New Hampshire about the possibility of seeking federal and state grants to buy the land to establish the center. The plan is to open it up to provide a place for schools to bring students & for classes to be given in the history & crafts of the period. Additionally it would provide a place to hold events for the SCA, Regia or other history oriented groups. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? > Quabbin? Central Mass, are you? > > Perhaps a phone call to the Sturbridge Village folks to see where they tap > for funding might help? We had several (CT) school fieldtrips to that and > Mystic Seaport (as well as a few family day trips to both places). > > I'd say the main difference is that Sturbridge and Mystic count for American > History, while it's probably a harder sell for an English History site to > American school systems. (Then again, you are in *New* England.) Since I > know of no other medieval living history sites in this country, and most > schools do study the medieval period, there might be potential from that > angle. > > Perhaps you'd be allowed to thin enough timber to make a spot for a hall in > a forest? If you opened it up to the public for specific demonstrations on > specific weekends/weeks of the year, perhaps that would work? > > I suspect there are other folks on this list who have much more experience > with such things. I'm just speculating! But if you've got the land you're > way ahead of a lot of us. > > --charlotte mayhew From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 08:28:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hrolf Douglasson) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:28:05 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant References: <20030626151918.FIGA22067.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.18]> Message-ID: <003e01c33c7d$a792cc20$8b767ad5@m1w9d8> we started the wirral with 2 couples and my father..and grew we are now thriving. you gets out what you puts in vara ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant > 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you can't go > much more than 10, I'd think. > > The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and I > have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and apply > for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We cover > some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing > evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, have > fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to explain that > this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... > > As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) > > --charlotte mayhew > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > Hi Bill > > At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and > agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 > members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. > > As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were > apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group only > had one solitary sole. > > It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A members > (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the > continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be > increased to six paid up members. > > I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be > acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is not > the 'official' rule. > > There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of > land. > > This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the minimum > member numbers to six. > > Martin > > > > > > > > Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ > > > > Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST > > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > > > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to > form > > > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > > > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM > > > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > > > > > > I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would > > > say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 > > > enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. > > > My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in > > > one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to > > > gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at > > > 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking > > > back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is > > > vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying > > > the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they > > > drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. > > > -- Tracie > > > > > > >Message: 16 > > > >Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT > > > > > > >To: list-regia-na@lig.net > > > >Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > > > > > >So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of > > > Biloxi? Do we have a > > > >nucleus for a group? > > > > > > > >Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > > > list-regia-na mailing list > > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > _______________________________________________ > > > list-regia-na mailing list > > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 09:43:47 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:43:47 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF020135AD@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> As long as we can have mint juleps after the fighting, mah deah-uh! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne [mailto:jeanne@atasteofcreole.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:36 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI I might just have to give up my title of King's Thegn and start calling myself "The Colonel" :o) I'm getting visions of Seersucker on the battlefield! Oh and thin neckties!!! AARRGGHHH!! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 09:51:11 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Nicholson, Andrew) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:51:11 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? Message-ID: > There are some Sub-rectangular rings.... But I've never been=20 > able to speak > to some one who describes something as sub rectangular to get=20 > an idea of > what they are talking about. >=20 And when you do meet an archaeologist you try to kill him rather than = ask him what they mean by sub-rectangular :). Gu=F0rum _______ / \ | | \_______/ =20 From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 13:11:02 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Yolli) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:11:02 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c33ca5$3046c2c0$faabfea9@KNOBBYKNOBS> This is an area which whilst we may try and follow the evidence ( such as it is ) we would in my opinion be better advised to use helmets that had some form of helmet liner suspension inside them purely for reasons of safety. We've all heard the "I've got to go back to work tomorrow"; phrase, and a liner would help ensure you get your wish. A helmet needs to stand off the crown of the skull and be able to spread any loading it might receive around the occupant's skull. In addition, however the helm is anchored, it needs to stay in place even in the most vigorous fighting. ( I used to take mine off at an instant in days gone by, so I know what I'm talking about....) How on earth I don't have a head with a groove down it looking much like a *****, I don't know. So whilst it may not be correct in this case to have a suspension liner, I think we would be well advised to put them in. Over here, we don't get compensation from hurting each other on the field - or has it yet to be tested by the likes of the Ambulance Chasers....? Anyway, I feel that it falls into the area of armour that can be worn by the combatant but must be disguised or hidden - such as arm guards, fencing cups, cricket boxes and their like. Roman lids have even less distance between the helm crown and the wearers head. A good whack on those would scramble your brains. And a PS Nathan. I had nowt to do with the mail at Sutton Hoo. But perhaps they do need a finer example than they have. Cheers, Roll. -----Original Message----- From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net] On Behalf Of nathan Sent: 27 June 2003 00:07 To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base. It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ... http://www.arador.com/wenceslaus.jpg http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg And i agree, no evidence for internaly fixed padding (or even suspension webbing) afaik. Not as familair with the vendel stuff as i would like to be, anyone care to comment from that front. Hugz N. ://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:01:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Field) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:01:23 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Info Message-ID: <000801c33cb4$984bf340$7900a8c0@field> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33C93.10F72FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would William Tate please contact me privataly as I realise I have no = contact info for him on the N.A. membership listing. Thanks Martin. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33C93.10F72FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would William Tate please contact me = privataly as I=20 realise I have no contact info for him on the N.A. membership=20 listing.
Thanks
Martin.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33C93.10F72FC0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:02:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Maerwynn of Holme) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:02:15 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents Message-ID: <20030627140215.VFMF7627.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> > Anyway, I feel that it falls into the area of armour that can be worn b= y > the combatant but must be disguised or hidden - such as arm guards, > fencing cups, cricket boxes and their like. I have to ask, what is a cricket box? Maerwynn --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:07:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Pete James) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:07:29 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents Message-ID: <6170C7F0E7C6D51184F000C0CA193CEB3C1E70@MAILSERVER-UK> It's the British phrase for an abdominal protector. -----Original Message----- From: Maerwynn of Holme [mailto:maerwynn@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:02 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents > Anyway, I feel that it falls into the area of armour that can be worn = by > the combatant but must be disguised or hidden - such as arm guards, > fencing cups, cricket boxes and their like. I have to ask, what is a cricket box? Maerwynn --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:07:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: <0aee01c33c51$091bcbe0$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: Sounds like a great idea. Good luck with it! --charlotte mayhew ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: NVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVW To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? > Off & on for the past 3 years I have been looking into starting a Non > Profit Center for Medieval Studies in New Hampshire. I have been talking > with some people in New Hampshire about the possibility of seeking federal > and state grants to buy the land to establish the center. The plan is to > open it up to provide a place for schools to bring students & for classes to > be given > in the history & crafts of the period. Additionally it would provide a > place to hold events for the SCA, Regia or other history oriented groups. > Pax, > Olaf > > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: RKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHY > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:35 AM > Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? > > > > Quabbin? Central Mass, are you? > > > > Perhaps a phone call to the Sturbridge Village folks to see where they tap > > for funding might help? We had several (CT) school fieldtrips to that and > > Mystic Seaport (as well as a few family day trips to both places). > > > > I'd say the main difference is that Sturbridge and Mystic count for > American > > History, while it's probably a harder sell for an English History site to > > American school systems. (Then again, you are in *New* England.) Since I > > know of no other medieval living history sites in this country, and most > > schools do study the medieval period, there might be potential from that > > angle. > > > > Perhaps you'd be allowed to thin enough timber to make a spot for a hall > in > > a forest? If you opened it up to the public for specific demonstrations > on > > specific weekends/weeks of the year, perhaps that would work? > > > > I suspect there are other folks on this list who have much more experience > > with such things. I'm just speculating! But if you've got the land > you're > > way ahead of a lot of us. > > > > --charlotte mayhew > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:06:26 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:06:26 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF02013744@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> The same thing as a "cup". Bill -----Original Message----- From: Maerwynn of Holme [mailto:maerwynn@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:02 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents > Anyway, I feel that it falls into the area of armour that can be worn = by > the combatant but must be disguised or hidden - such as arm guards, > fencing cups, cricket boxes and their like. I have to ask, what is a cricket box? Maerwynn --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:09:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents Message-ID: its where you keep your 'cricket';) its a cup;) H -----Original Message----- From: Maerwynn of Holme [mailto:maerwynn@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:02 AM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet contents > Anyway, I feel that it falls into the area of armour that can be worn = by > the combatant but must be disguised or hidden - such as arm guards, > fencing cups, cricket boxes and their like. I have to ask, what is a cricket box? Maerwynn --- Maerwynn of Holme Lonely Tower, Calontir Maerwynn@cox.net Hw=E6t! Ic swefna cyst secgan wylle... _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:37:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: nathan [mailto:fenrirr@lycos.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:07 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base. It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ... http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg ---huh, and here i spent a few hours looking for a pic of the W helm and = it was on my own page the whole, i am slipping;) And i agree, no evidence for internaly fixed padding (or even suspension webbing) afaik. Not as familair with the vendel stuff as i would like = to be, anyone care to comment from that front. --i haven't really run across anything in my studies of these helms = (which is about to get more serious btw, i have finally found someone = who is willing to translate the books for me, but it will be slow;) that = suggest what sort of padding might have been used. Tweddle does suggest the following about the spaces in the woven helms: "The sections were originally slightly separated so that the open work = effect was showcased (It has been suggested that these areas were also = suppose to be decorative by the enhancement of wearing a colored leather = or textile cap underneath)." maybe it was to showcase a decorative padded arming cap like thing? Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:40:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:40:45 -0500 Subject: :: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: nathan [mailto:fenrirr@lycos.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:32 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: :: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? We do have a major problem in that mail is almost impossible to date out = of context. Very few pieces of mail have been exposed to metalurgical = testing (that would prove the origin). --not to mention very few period (ours) mail finds are in good shape. it is very hard to tell the original shape/cross section of the links = when the mail is found in one corroded lump;) even single links that have spent time in the ground have corroded = enough to have lost at least some of the original shape. Halvgrimr From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 16:05:09 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <31b1c460.9a93e8b2.830e600@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Ah'm puttin' in my order for that green velvet I saw in the window. An' Ah'll be happy to paint you one of those Viking shields (from suthun Norway, of course) -- you know, the blue ones with the red cross. They look just like that Norwegian flag only turned a bit. (To see what flag ah'm talkin' about, go here ...I mean, heah): http://www.flags.net/NORW.htm) There are so many Viking down heah, you just wouldn't believe it! They have those li'l Viking shield thingies on just *everything* -- cars, flags, t-shirts. 'ceptin' they put cute l'il stars on them, too. -- Tracie (setting up a good breeze with her fluttering eyelashes) >From: Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC > >As long as we can have mint juleps after the fighting, mah deah-uh! From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 16:25:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9228BED1-A8B3-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Bill Short and I will have to get together. He has obviously seen a lot of ground covered with Hurstwic which would be valuable. It's a bad time to look for state funds for education and the arts. Federal also. Local forget about it. But, to strike out in the very face of obvious defeat is the mark of true courage. Let's see what we can manage. I don't know about approaching other institutions. Why help a group get their hand into an already inadequate pool of funding? Allow me to ignite a firestorm: King Richards Faire in Carver seems to do right well for itself. OK, it has nothing to do with history living or dead(except the stench of the privy). But, it does represent a financially sustainable model. So, be entertaining enough to pay the bills and you will have a place to get "intellectual" in your own time. Maybe a business, and not a charity, is a better way to approach it. Don't know, have to consider it hard. I have to remind myself that I am in the midst of a demanding career and a family that needs my attention. To become the center of a Saxon Empire seems a bit more than I can handle. But who knows how much the plate can handle until the pork hits the floor eh. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 17:00:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6AD4D35F-A8B8-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> Well, the point of the SCA is to reproduce the more pleasant aspect of medieval European life. Social climbing and fief building were an essential part of that. Done in a good natured way it can't do any harm. I've thought of doing it myself someday as I am in Bergental but barely. Kind of away from the rest of the Barony but also far from the centers at Quintavia. Don't see why the King should object to a productive Manse in the foothills as long as it is loyal and can provide the required tithe and men for the campaigns. I think it was a great part of Aelfred's genuis. Talk about a huge area just desperate for some entertaining, yet cultural activity. But, I don't fancy the Baron would like to loose such large holding and a good supply of timber and fierce fighting men. OK. What do we have in South Central Mass, North East CT, South Vermont and NH. Let's do a roll call and I'll consider a secret meeting at my home in Warren Ma. Just off the 90/84 interchange 1.5hrs ride from Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Brattleboro(SP?) and Nashua( without heavy traffic.) We boast fine dining, a breezy 37acres of mixed hardwood forest and a fine swimming pool. I find that my number of friends increases proportionately with the temperature. :-)) A roll call with good and bad dates and preference for period or modern meeting is in order!! On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:44 AM, crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you > can't go > much more than 10, I'd think. > > The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and > I > have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and > apply > for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We > cover > some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing > evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, > have > fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to > explain that > this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... > > As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) > > --charlotte mayhew > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI > > >> Hi Bill >> At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and > agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 > members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. >> As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were > apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group > only > had one solitary sole. >> It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A >> members > (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the > continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be > increased to six paid up members. >> I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be > acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is > not > the 'official' rule. >> There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of > land. >> This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the >> minimum > member numbers to six. >> Martin >> >>> >>> Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ > >>> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST >>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>> >>> If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members >>> to > form >>> a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. >>> Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM >>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>> >>> >>> I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would >>> say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 >>> enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. >>> My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in >>> one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to >>> gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at >>> 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking >>> back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is >>> vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying >>> the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they >>> drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. >>> -- Tracie >>> >>>> Message: 16 >>>> Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT >>> >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>> >>>> So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of >>> Biloxi? Do we have a >>>> nucleus for a group? >>>> >>>> Bill >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 15:49:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Matthew Marino) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:49:58 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI In-Reply-To: <0a3d01c33c49$48f598c0$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: <9FC28E3C-A8AE-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> Snorkel! Not Scuba! To complicated, to risky ( can I assume the ear=20= drums happened diving?). I only explore the deep blue sea with a hook=20 and bait. The reason I use an axe instead of a chain saw is that I know=20= the axe will work when I get to the tree. Conservative to a fault,=20 that's me. I honestly don't mind the 16-21 crowd having a rowdy time, getting=20 silly and exploring hormonal effects. Heck, that's what you do when=20 your a dumb kid. It's part of growing up. What bugs me is the 30-40=20 year olds with 2-5 kids who are desperately trying to relive some=20 by-gone days. They drive down, get drunk act stupid and let their kids=20= wander in between a storm sea and a highway unsupervised for many=20 hours. Had a 4 year old hang with me and my son most of a day and=20 no-one came looking for him. Let me tell you, where there are a lot of=20= drunk, pretty teenage girls there are a lot of really scary old pervs=20 looking to take advantage of the situation. The media included. My=20 inlaws live next to a Sgt. in the PCB Police. Can't speak for the Chief=20= but Drew is trying to keep these kids alive. He's seen more than his=20 share of dead bodies through falls off balconies( while drunk),=20 drowning(while drunk), vicious car accidents(because of drunk drivers)=20= and murdered young women. Enough about PCB. That town is what it's people need it to be for=20 whatever reason. Love to visit, wouldn't want to live or work there.=20 Beaches are nice and you never get enough snow to have to shovel it.=20 Best Mini-golf I've ever seen. Every place has it's good and bad=20 sides, even the sleepy little burg of Warren is full of dark and secret=20= dangers mixed with the majestic oaks and serene fields with grazing=20 cattle. On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 09:13 PM, Sudden Service #5 wrote: > If you can take a diving class & ask around you can find some good > places to dive wrecks around PC, according to my daughter. I can't=20 > dive any > more, due to ruptured ear drums. I did learn in CT, diving in lakes=20= > back > when I was stationed at Groton. Now there was a "rich" environment,=20= > along > with ski boats to make surfacing an interesting proposition. Now if=20= > you > want to go diving some place interesting go visit Sandy at home in Oz.=20= > I > hear they have some interesting fish & coral down there. > The Beach is it's own world, it is where all the repressed = Southern > youth go to rebel against the social confinement that they suffer=20 > under in > their home towns/counties. It is big enough that they are not likely=20= > for > the local Preacher to see them making fools of themselves or drunk in=20= > the > middle of the street. The average age on the Miracle Mile is likely=20= > to be > 19 years old & that includes the old folks like my daughter who is 28. > Supposedly the drinking has been decreased since they raised the age=20= > to 21. > The cops there are still the typical Southern Cops, the Police Chief=20= > was > just in the news for telling the "Girls Gone Wild" production crew = that > anyone encouraging anyone to take their cloths off would be arrested. =20= > He is > also well known to bust those kids who are caught drinking under age. > Pax, > Olaf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wulfhere se Treowryhta" > > Yup, that's the place. I have mixed emotions on the Florida beaches. > Sugar sand is comfy to walk on and doesn't get hot, but sticks like > glue and is BORING to snorkel around. Other problem is that when the > water gets warm it gets "RICH". Not that the sea water here in > Massachusetts isn't a varitable soup, but when it's 84=BA it seems = slimy > in a way 65=BA never does, much like Stout. It's still a cheap = vacation. > Believe it or not they are building even more hotels on the beach > > There are some unspoiled places I will admit. Mexico Beach and the > shore behind Tyndall AFB are wild. Mom-in-law almost grabbed a small > gator by the tail because she doesn't wear her glasses at the beach = and > thought it was drift wood. The jump and hiss clued her in. = Apalachicola > is beautiful, more like a small southern town on the gulf. Don't mean > to pick on it so. The locals are mostly hard working, good people and > the most obnoxious tourist I've run into were all from "up North". > Folks do suffer from what we call the Port Authority Syndrome. Take = the > Ferry to Nantucket in November and the sailors are as friendly and > helpful as can be. In August, they harbor a deep and merciless hatred > for humanity. The only time we really can't handle in PCB is spring > break. How such a holy rolling part of the bible belt ended up as the > center of leacherous college headonism is beyond me. Church, bar, > church, Club LaVela, church, porn shop, church, bar, etc. on down the > strip. > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 17:18:30 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:18:30 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: <9228BED1-A8B3-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <0cf201c33cc7$c08843a0$1006b1d8@olaf> One of the 'funding enhancers" I have been considering is a Ren Faire, Higgins Armory has gotten on that source & now does 2-3 events/year along that line. I was the SCA coordinator for the first Ren Faire that a group of Nuns did they were trying to remodel their Castle up in New Hampshire. They were Sisters of Mercy-a pacifist group, didn't want any heavy list fighters, but that first year they allowed fencers, but not the second<;^}. Another source of funding is-Bingo. One of the groups in the SCA has run a weekly Bingo game for the past ~5 years at a hall in the Denver area & are getting ready to purchase the land. What it requires to be successful is a core group of dedicated people willing to give up a night a week of their lives for years to get the money to do what they want. Still, we are talking about the process of getting the program started, if we can all find time in the midst of our busy lives. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wulfhere se Treowryhta" > > > Bill Short and I will have to get together. He has obviously seen a > lot of ground covered with Hurstwic which would be valuable. It's a bad > time to look for state funds for education and the arts. Federal also. > Local forget about it. But, to strike out in the very face of obvious > defeat is the mark of true courage. Let's see what we can manage. I > don't know about approaching other institutions. Why help a group get > their hand into an already inadequate pool of funding? > > Allow me to ignite a firestorm: King Richards Faire in Carver seems > to do right well for itself. OK, it has nothing to do with history > living or dead(except the stench of the privy). But, it does represent > a financially sustainable model. So, be entertaining enough to pay the > bills and you will have a place to get "intellectual" in your own time. > Maybe a business, and not a charity, is a better way to approach it. > Don't know, have to consider it hard. > > I have to remind myself that I am in the midst of a demanding career > and a family that needs my attention. To become the center of a Saxon > Empire seems a bit more than I can handle. But who knows how much the > plate can handle until the pork hits the floor eh. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 17:38:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:38:19 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet Message-ID: <77.14239693.2c2dccfb@aol.com> --part1_77.14239693.2c2dccfb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/2003 9:40:39 AM Central Daylight Time, SchusterRL@umsystem.edu writes: > > The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base. > > It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ... > http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg > Are there any pictures of the interior of the Wencelaus helm or other existing helms? Also, could the thick metal band be covering up where rivet holes may or may not have been, or is it there to provide rigidity to the base of the helm? jen --part1_77.14239693.2c2dccfb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/27/2003 9:40:39 AM Central=20= Daylight Time, SchusterRL@umsystem.edu writes:



The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base.

It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ...
http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg


Are there any pictures of the interior of the Wencelaus helm or other existi= ng helms? Also, could the thick metal band be covering up where rivet holes=20= may or may not have been, or is it there to provide rigidity to the base of=20= the helm?

jen --part1_77.14239693.2c2dccfb_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 17:43:37 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:43:37 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <9FC28E3C-A8AE-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> Message-ID: <0d4201c33ccb$42db1eb0$1006b1d8@olaf> Nope, A doctor would not listen to me when I told him giving me Ampacillian for my ear infection was useless- went home that night & in the morning took a shower where both my ear drums ruptured. I am currently much more emphatic when I tell the Doctors that I want specific antibiotics. After years of living at depths that would be detrimental to any scuba diver I trust technology to keep me alive under water & Nuclear power to be safe-both as long as people who understand both the technology & Murphy's Law. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- Snorkel! Not Scuba! To complicated, to risky ( can I assume the ear drums happened diving?). I only explore the deep blue sea with a hook and bait. The reason I use an axe instead of a chain saw is that I know the axe will work when I get to the tree. Conservative to a fault, that's me. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 17:49:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (William R. Short) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:49:42 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? In-Reply-To: <0cf201c33cc7$c08843a0$1006b1d8@olaf> References: <9228BED1-A8B3-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030627124942.02d3b3a8@mmail> "Sudden Service #5" wrote: > One of the 'funding enhancers" I have been considering is a Ren Faire, >Higgins Armory has gotten on that source & now does 2-3 events/year along >that line. I beg to disagree; I don't believe Higgins Armory Museum does Ren Faires. They do several special events each year, one of which is a fund raiser, and one of which is free, as a way of thanking the community for their support. But, being a museum, I think they try to avoid the fantasy of a typical Ren Faire and stay pretty close to the historical sources. Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 18:37:57 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Martin Williams) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:37:57 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF01F2A52A@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <3EFC80F5.8060704@oswiu.u-net.com> Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC wrote: > If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members to form > a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. > Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? > > Bill > Mr. Lawspeaker is: although I may be Mr. Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs these days.... Three is, indeed, the required minimum - as for distance: it is for the leadership of Geforthian Strand* to determine whether and what to grant to any new formations. I see that continental custom and practice is tending towards a greater minimum: to this I raise no objection. It is, I note further, a truth that a man in possession of some £70 per annum (and paying a mere 22 pence ha'penny in geld...) should find in himself a desire for more and broader acres.... Pax Oswiu From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 20:21:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:21:16 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen- und Kostumkunde Message-ID: anyone have access to this series? it is one of the rare ones that i don't have access to and need an = article out of one of the volumes if you do have access please let me know Halvgrimr ps, this is the info i am hunting: Post, Paul. "Ein neuer Rekonstrucktionsvorschalg zum Panzerfunde von = Valsgarde. Ein Beitrag zur fruhmittelalterlichen Schutzbewaffnung." = Zeitschrift fur Historische Waffen- und Kostumkunde. Bd 5/6. = 1944.........This was where Post originally published his theory of the = stave armor of Valsg=E4rde 8. From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 20:22:20 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Douglas Sunlin) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? Message-ID:

Umm... Viking Bingo. I like the sound of it... ;)

 

> Another source of funding is-Bingo. One of the groups in the SCA has
>run a weekly Bingo game for the past ~5 years at a hall in the Denver area &
>are getting ready to purchase the land. What it requires to be successful
>is a core group of dedicated people willing to give up a night a week of
>their lives for years to get the money to do what they want.

The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 21:57:58 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Wulfhere se Treowryhta) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:57:58 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <085ECDD4-A8E2-11D7-A2D0-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> Well call me a knucklehead. My is a Professor in the History Department at Wheaton College in Norton MA. On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Schuster, Robert L. wrote: > > > Biggest problem I face folks is that my local library can't get any of > these "works" I see in the regia lists and the universities only allow > registered students in their libraries. Museum libraries might be an > option if they were open more than 1 hour a week. > > --the university i work for also allows staff to use the library > (thank god!) > infact my staff privileges allow me to check out books as if i was a > grad student (ie i can keep them for up to 6 months) > have any friends at a University that are staff? > > Halvgrimr > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 21:59:27 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Schuster, Robert L.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? Message-ID: Well call me a knucklehead. My is a Professor in the History Department=20 at Wheaton College in Norton MA. --ok, your a knucklehead;) Halvgrimr say good night Gracie!...Good Night Gracie! (i love that bit;) From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 22:25:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (nathan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:25:23 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And when you meet an archeologist who is capable of ASCII art you just have to worry. Will be seeing you at Durham .... Hugz N. God bless the geek for they shall internet the earth. > -----Original Message----- > From: list-regia-na-admin@lig.net [mailto:list-regia-na-admin@lig.net]On > Behalf Of Nicholson, Andrew > Sent: 27 June 2003 09:51 > To: 'list-regia-na@lig.net' > Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? > > > > There are some Sub-rectangular rings.... But I've never been > > able to speak > > to some one who describes something as sub rectangular to get > > an idea of > > what they are talking about. > > > And when you do meet an archaeologist you try to kill him rather than ask > him what they mean by sub-rectangular :). > > Guðrum > > _______ > / \ > | | > \_______/ > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Fri Jun 27 23:24:19 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant References: <6AD4D35F-A8B8-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> Message-ID: <162601c33cfa$dae33600$1006b1d8@olaf> I am over in the Natick area for now, but am soon to move to the Franklin/North Attleboro, MA area (I-95/I-495 intersection) I would be interested in discussing forming a Regia group in this area, but can only attend meetings on Thursdays due to work constraints at this time. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Marino" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant > Well, the point of the SCA is to reproduce the more pleasant aspect of > medieval European life. Social climbing and fief building were an > essential part of that. Done in a good natured way it can't do any > harm. I've thought of doing it myself someday as I am in Bergental but > barely. Kind of away from the rest of the Barony but also far from the > centers at Quintavia. Don't see why the King should object to a > productive Manse in the foothills as long as it is loyal and can > provide the required tithe and men for the campaigns. I think it was a > great part of Aelfred's genuis. Talk about a huge area just desperate > for some entertaining, yet cultural activity. But, I don't fancy the > Baron would like to loose such large holding and a good supply of > timber and fierce fighting men. > > > OK. What do we have in South Central Mass, North East CT, South Vermont > and NH. Let's do a roll call and I'll consider a secret meeting at my > home in Warren Ma. Just off the 90/84 interchange 1.5hrs ride from > Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Brattleboro(SP?) and > Nashua( without heavy traffic.) We boast fine dining, a breezy 37acres > of mixed hardwood forest and a fine swimming pool. I find that my > number of friends increases proportionately with the temperature. :-)) > > A roll call with good and bad dates and preference for period or modern > meeting is in order!! From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 05:12:18 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: <9228BED1-A8B3-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@masspostroad.net> <3.0.6.32.20030627124942.02d3b3a8@mmail> Message-ID: <16ac01c33d2b$786fb260$1006b1d8@olaf> Hej! Bill, I thought they were doing more of the Faire types of thing, I knew I had seen postings for activities & know merchants who are selling at them. I am glad they are doing a good job of not becoming a fantasy faire, like King Richards is. Pax, Olaf >From Renaissance Magazine: Higgins Faire May 3, 2003, 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. Admission: $7 / Contact: Higgins Armory Museum, Malory Truman, 100 Barber Ave., Worcester, MA 01606, (508) 853-6015 x26, email: higgins@higgins.org, web: www.higgins.org / Site: Higgins Armory Museum, 100 Barber Ave, Exit 1 of I90 to Rt 12 N., Worcester, MA / Booths: 10 / Attendance: 2,000 / Weapons: not allowed. ----- Original Message ----- > "Sudden Service #5" wrote: > > > One of the 'funding enhancers" I have been considering is a Ren Faire, > >Higgins Armory has gotten on that source & now does 2-3 events/year along > >that line. > > I beg to disagree; I don't believe Higgins Armory Museum does Ren Faires. > They do several special events each year, one of which is a fund raiser, > and one of which is free, as a way of thanking the community for their > support. But, being a museum, I think they try to avoid the fantasy of a > typical Ren Faire and stay pretty close to the historical sources. > > Bill From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 05:25:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] New England Living History? References: Message-ID: <16b301c33d2d$508a4f10$1006b1d8@olaf> Goes back to the way the laws are written in most of the States. Bingo being a form of gambling it is regulated, but since it is a major fund raiser used by various church denominations it has not been banned. What has happened is that it has moved from the basements of scattered churches into professionally run parlors located all around the country. The Halls can charge a flat fee & take a % of the income from the sales of cards, BUT the must have a qualified sponsor for the game to take place who will provide the volunteers to do all the card selling & other grunt work that is required to put the games on. The requirement for the qualified sponsor is that they must be a 401C Corporation or a church. Since the halls want to stay open as much as they can they like to get groups that will sponsor a game weekly. So it pulls in a fair amount of money for both the group & the hall. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Sunlin Umm... Viking Bingo. I like the sound of it... ;) From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 07:38:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:38:48 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Standard? Message-ID: <10c.263e2ae0.2c2e91f8@aol.com> --part1_10c.263e2ae0.2c2e91f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/2003 4:06:12 PM GMT Daylight Time, andrew.nicholson@dumgal.gov.uk writes: > The Saxons strongly deny that their banner-bearer is selected for nimble > footwork and speed, with one forward gear and five reverse ;-). If you're talking about the Wessex dragon then you're also talking of Stuart Soldier? :) Aly "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" GK Chesterton --part1_10c.263e2ae0.2c2e91f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/25/2003 4:06:12 PM GMT Da= ylight Time, andrew.nicholson@dumgal.gov.uk writes:


The Saxons strongly deny th= at their banner-bearer is selected for nimble
footwork and speed, with one forward gear and five reverse ;-).
If you're talking about the Wessex dragon then you're also talking of St= uart Soldier?  :)

Aly

"Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly"=20
GK Chesterton --part1_10c.263e2ae0.2c2e91f8_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 12:26:13 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:26:13 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> Message-ID: <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> Ah. Russell Scott is not a Regia member. However, he is an Important Figure in A.N. Other Superficially Similar Society and has been doing this a long time. Do you have difficulties with his interpretation of Norse Female Dress? AFAIK, the iron rings found in mail cannot be said to be either round or square. Indeed, it is difficult to find any two that are the same in cross section ! They all appear to have been formed from wire drawn through a block. That block may have had a round hole punched or drilled into it, but of course it wears rapidly as the wire being drawn through it is only a little softer - if at all - than the iron from which the block is formed. Riveted links are necessarily flattened at their ends. The degree of flattening, the deformation of the rest of the ring and subsequent reshaping - or not - in a swaging block are all very individual. Rings that are not riveted SEEM to have been forged hot into a hammer welded circle. I am still unconvinced that this is possible with a ring of 8mm ID or below. Currently available "best guess" materials are the Forth Armouries stuff, but it is too flat and too uniform - but it is currently the best available at an affordable price. Regia uses an evolving form which started with square section 6mm washers, then 8mm specially wound on a 6mm former, then solid 1mm square rings in 8mm ID stamped from sheet (thus having one sub-rectangular face) and currently, these latter are currently joined by 8mm x 1mm round section spring steel unplated rings. At £65 for 20,000, they are a reasonable approach to the overall appearance of a ring byrnie from the period at a reasonable price. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Priest-Dorman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Halvgrimr wrote: > > >I know that in the article Rus Scott wrote about mail he believed that > >"There are no square sectioned links, at best there is the possibility of > >some flat rectangular sectioned links." > > > >I am not sure how he came to that conclusion but I am sure he has done > >more research on the subject than I have. > > If this is the same Russell Scott who wrote "Female Viking Dress," don't > count on it. > > > Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/thora.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 13:10:42 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:10:42 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Helmet References: Message-ID: <00e101c33d6e$4bf52600$c1702052@kim1> The "woven" lattice work helmets are three hundred years earlier than the period that Regia generally portrays. I'd be the first to agree that helmets of Great Worth might well have remained in occasional use (there is some evidence that the Coppergate Helmet was in use for nearly 200 years), but we really must avoid making the unusual the norm. I know it is a poor example as things change so fast now, but look at any thirty year period of history at close range and those who lived through that generation would agree instantly that fashions had changed during their lifetimes. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schuster, Robert L." To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet -----Original Message----- From: nathan [mailto:fenrirr@lycos.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:07 PM To: list-regia-na@lig.net Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Helmet The Wencelaus helmet does not have any holes around the base. It is mostly surrounded by a thick metal band, as illustrated ... http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/research/helms/stwenesc.jpg ---huh, and here i spent a few hours looking for a pic of the W helm and it was on my own page the whole, i am slipping;) And i agree, no evidence for internaly fixed padding (or even suspension webbing) afaik. Not as familair with the vendel stuff as i would like to be, anyone care to comment from that front. --i haven't really run across anything in my studies of these helms (which is about to get more serious btw, i have finally found someone who is willing to translate the books for me, but it will be slow;) that suggest what sort of padding might have been used. Tweddle does suggest the following about the spaces in the woven helms: "The sections were originally slightly separated so that the open work effect was showcased (It has been suggested that these areas were also suppose to be decorative by the enhancement of wearing a colored leather or textile cap underneath)." maybe it was to showcase a decorative padded arming cap like thing? Halvgrimr _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 13:19:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:19:59 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <9FC28E3C-A8AE-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> <0d4201c33ccb$42db1eb0$1006b1d8@olaf> Message-ID: <011201c33d6f$980403d0$c1702052@kim1> Ah! I often wondered about "Sudden Service". Is it a side play on "Submarine Service" by any chance? Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sudden Service #5" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI > Nope, A doctor would not listen to me when I told him giving me > Ampacillian for my ear infection was useless- went home that night & in the > morning took a shower where both my ear drums ruptured. I am currently much > more emphatic when I tell the Doctors that I want specific antibiotics. > After years of living at depths that would be detrimental to any scuba > diver I trust technology to keep me alive under water & Nuclear power to be > safe-both as long as people who understand both the technology & Murphy's > Law. > Pax, > Olaf > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Snorkel! Not Scuba! To complicated, to risky ( can I assume the ear > drums happened diving?). I only explore the deep blue sea with a hook > and bait. The reason I use an axe instead of a chain saw is that I know > the axe will work when I get to the tree. Conservative to a fault, > that's me. > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 16:20:56 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Sudden Service #5) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:20:56 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] PC Beach-RE: Was sprang BILOXI References: <9FC28E3C-A8AE-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> <0d4201c33ccb$42db1eb0$1006b1d8@olaf> <011201c33d6f$980403d0$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <177401c33d88$e149c2a0$1006b1d8@olaf> No it is the name of the company I work for. Sudden Service Jewelry & Watch Repair-Most work done while you shop. We are a small chain of repair shops located in kiosk in malls. Some of the details of my life as a Submariner were reported in the press many years ago, it was called the Cat Futch incident, See: http://members.fortunecity.com/vonsteuben632/cat.htm or: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0301/031201nj.htm Since there are a lot of former Submariners on the SCA Humor list & if you check the archives you can read a lot of the stores that are not appropriate here. Pax, Olaf ----- Original Message ----- > Ah! I often wondered about "Sudden Service". Is it a side play on "Submarine > Service" by any chance? > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 16:40:08 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:40:08 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Kim: What is "ID" when referenced to Maille? Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 01:14:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (PSE Security Services.) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:14:05 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) Message-ID: <200306280004.h5S04ZGW029037@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have decided to have it very short, just to give an overview of the the knives that were carried, according to some graves, and also to give some ideas about size and type of knives for women and men. Hi All A short email from Prof Carlsson to let us know the knife CD is almost ready. Have a couple of sample pics from the CD that he sent me, looks great. Sandy So, hopefully today or tomorrow, I will have it all ready. I have e already made the home page, but has not put it out yet. we have also printed the picture on the CD and also the little envelope to the CD. so, in all, just trying to finished the text about knives in general. The CD's will be burnt early next week. Professor Dan Carlsson Centre for Baltic Studies Gotland University S-621 67 Visby, Sweden www.arkeodok.com Tel. +46-498-299829 Fax. +46-498-299892 PSE Security Services. pse@dcsi.net.au http://members.dcsi.net.au/pse/ --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have decided to have it very short, just
to give an overview of the the knives that were carried, according to some
graves, and also to give some ideas about size and type of knives for
women and men.
Hi All

A short email from Prof Carlsson to let us know the knife CD is almost ready.
Have a couple of sample pics from the CD that he sent me, looks great.

Sandy




So, hopefully today or tomorrow, I will have it all ready. I have e
already made the home page, but has not put it out yet. we have also
printed the picture on the CD and also the little envelope to the CD.
so, in all, just trying to finished the text about knives in general.
The CD's will be burnt early next week.

Professor Dan Carlsson
Centre for Baltic Studies
Gotland University

S-621 67 Visby, Sweden

www.arkeodok.com

Tel. +46-498-299829

Fax. +46-498-299892

PSE Security Services.
pse@dcsi.net.au
http://members.dcsi.net.au/pse/ --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 17:31:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:31:25 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <005301c33d92$b7e0fa00$0100a8c0@mshome.net> I think that it refers to the Internal Diameter of the mail rings Ian Uzzell ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Kim: What is "ID" when referenced to Maille? Jennifer > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 18:50:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <021401c33d9d$bbb5cec0$c1702052@kim1> Internal diameter. Sorry, as an engineer, I assume "we" all know this stuff! ;o)) Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Kim: What is "ID" when referenced to Maille? Jennifer > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 19:54:44 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <021401c33d9d$bbb5cec0$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <000901c33da6$bdd64eb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Kim: As one of the "mechanically challenged", I didn't have a clue! ROFL This is one of the results of having a Dad & Hubby who are/were mechanics. I never had to do anything for myself! [that is: after I learned to do basic maintenance for my vehicle... fluids & tires.] As for yr sig line re: bacon, I shall really relish that as I have decided that none of my clothes fit & salads are my friend. grrrrr I don't want to look like the Michelin Man should I ever have a chance to get to the UK for an event! LOL Hugs, Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Sat Jun 28 20:34:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:34:15 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <021401c33d9d$bbb5cec0$c1702052@kim1> <000901c33da6$bdd64eb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <006701c33dac$42822300$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Jennifer, I think that I should explan a little thing about Kim that we all know about here in Regia UK, but is probably not known over the pond. Kim is famous for his bacon sandwiches! Wherever we are and at almost any time, he can seem to pull out of his pocket a bacon sandwich and start to eat it. He seems to live on bacon sandwiches. (But I have seen him eat other things) But as for anything green - he won't touch it. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hill" > Kim: > As for yr sig line re: bacon, I shall really relish that as I have decided > that none of my clothes fit & salads are my friend. grrrrr > I don't want to look like the Michelin Man should I ever have a chance to > get to the UK for an event! LOL Hugs, Jennifer > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 00:28:29 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:28:29 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <021401c33d9d$bbb5cec0$c1702052@kim1> <000901c33da6$bdd64eb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006701c33dac$42822300$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <026301c33dcc$fb92a3e0$c1702052@kim1> Another lie! I don't know, I eat green things all the time. There was the parsley on my steak - oh, no, I threw it away ........ Erm, I know, the grapes in the dessert were green - and come to that, I am very fond of coarsely chopped mint sauce on lightly grilled lamb chops. Humph - the label on the dry cured, Gloucester Old Spot flitch that I had lovingly sliced on number five was green, so there. Now, if you really want to hear a tale, ask Ian about helicolopters................ Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Uzzell" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Hi Jennifer, > > I think that I should explan a little thing about Kim that we all know about > here in Regia UK, but is probably not known over the pond. > > Kim is famous for his bacon sandwiches! Wherever we are and at almost any > time, he can seem to pull out of his pocket a bacon sandwich and start to > eat it. He seems to live on bacon sandwiches. (But I have seen him eat > other things) > > But as for anything green - he won't touch it. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Hill" > > > > Kim: > > As for yr sig line re: bacon, I shall really relish that as I have decided > > that none of my clothes fit & salads are my friend. grrrrr > > I don't want to look like the Michelin Man should I ever have a chance to > > get to the UK for an event! LOL Hugs, Jennifer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 00:44:06 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:44:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? In-Reply-To: <026301c33dcc$fb92a3e0$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> --0-709558083-1056843846=:96627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ian gets into trouble sitting in the back of a truck waiting to make a parachute jump;& the list of stories just goes on? ;-p mik J K Siddorn wrote: Another lie! I don't know, I eat green things all the time. There was the parsley on my steak - oh, no, I threw it away ........ Erm, I know, the grapes in the dessert were green - and come to that, I am very fond of coarsely chopped mint sauce on lightly grilled lamb chops. Humph - the label on the dry cured, Gloucester Old Spot flitch that I had lovingly sliced on number five was green, so there. Now, if you really want to hear a tale, ask Ian about helicolopters................ Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Uzzell" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail? > Hi Jennifer, > > I think that I should explan a little thing about Kim that we all know about > here in Regia UK, but is probably not known over the pond. > > Kim is famous for his bacon sandwiches! Wherever we are and at almost any > time, he can seem to pull out of his pocket a bacon sandwich and start to > eat it. He seems to live on bacon sandwiches. (But I have seen him eat > other things) > > But as for anything green - he won't touch it. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Hill" > > > > Kim: > > As for yr sig line re: bacon, I shall really relish that as I have decided > > that none of my clothes fit & salads are my friend. grrrrr > > I don't want to look like the Michelin Man should I ever have a chance to > > get to the UK for an event! LOL Hugs, Jennifer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > list-regia-na mailing list > > list-regia-na@lig.net > > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Ian gets into trouble sitting in the back of a truck waiting to make a parachute jump;& the list of stories just goes on? ;-p
mik

J K Siddorn <kim.siddorn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Another lie! I don't know, I eat green things all the time.

There was the parsley on my steak - oh, no, I threw it away ........

Erm, I know, the grapes in the dessert were green - and come to that, I am
very fond of coarsely chopped mint sauce on lightly grilled lamb chops.

Humph - the label on the dry cured, Gloucester Old Spot flitch that I had
lovingly sliced on number five was green, so there.

Now, if you really want to hear a tale, ask Ian about
helicolopters................

Regards,

Kim Siddorn

Bacon is a friend
in the salad bowl of life


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Uzzell"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Mail?


> Hi Jennifer,
>
> I think that I should explan a little thing about Kim that we all know
about
> here in Regia UK, but is probably not known over the pond.
>
> Kim is famous for his bacon sandwiches! Wherever we are and at almost any
> time, he can seem to pull out of his pocket a bacon sandwich and start to
> eat it. He seems to live on bacon sandwiches. (But I have seen him eat
> other things)
>
> But as for anything green - he won't touch it.
>
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Hill"
>
>
> > Kim:
> > As for yr sig line re: bacon, I shall really relish that as I have
decided
> > that none of my clothes fit & salads are my friend. grrrrr
> > I don't want to look like the Michelin Man should I ever have a chance
to
> > get to the UK for an event! LOL Hugs, Jennifer
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > list-regia-na mailing list
> > list-regia-na@lig.net
> > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> list-regia-na mailing list
> list-regia-na@lig.net
> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na
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--0-709558083-1056843846=:96627-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 01:57:50 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (ed somers) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant In-Reply-To: <6AD4D35F-A8B8-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030628205750.007a5100@pop.gwi.net> Hi, I am Ed Somers who studied the Vikings in a past life. Currently I am a timber framer and carpenter who enjoys using hand tools. I am interested in the New England group, but living in Maine cant regularly get that far south. If there was a chance of soomething in NH Id love to try it. I work alone and have a family so I have little time, though great interest for activities. I also used to do boat building and once contacted Hurstwic about replica boats. Id love to help with a viking/AS hall. Ed. At 12:00 PM 06/27/2003 -0400, Matthew Marino wrote: >Well, the point of the SCA is to reproduce the more pleasant aspect of >medieval European life. Social climbing and fief building were an >essential part of that. Done in a good natured way it can't do any >harm. I've thought of doing it myself someday as I am in Bergental but >barely. Kind of away from the rest of the Barony but also far from the >centers at Quintavia. Don't see why the King should object to a >productive Manse in the foothills as long as it is loyal and can >provide the required tithe and men for the campaigns. I think it was a >great part of Aelfred's genuis. Talk about a huge area just desperate >for some entertaining, yet cultural activity. But, I don't fancy the >Baron would like to loose such large holding and a good supply of >timber and fierce fighting men. > > >OK. What do we have in South Central Mass, North East CT, South Vermont >and NH. Let's do a roll call and I'll consider a secret meeting at my >home in Warren Ma. Just off the 90/84 interchange 1.5hrs ride from >Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Brattleboro(SP?) and >Nashua( without heavy traffic.) We boast fine dining, a breezy 37acres >of mixed hardwood forest and a fine swimming pool. I find that my >number of friends increases proportionately with the temperature. :-)) > >A roll call with good and bad dates and preference for period or modern >meeting is in order!! > > > > > >On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:44 AM, crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > >> 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you >> can't go >> much more than 10, I'd think. >> >> The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and >> I >> have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and >> apply >> for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We >> cover >> some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing >> evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, >> have >> fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to >> explain that >> this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... >> >> As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) >> >> --charlotte mayhew >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM >> Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >> >> >>> Hi Bill >>> At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and >> agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 >> members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. >>> As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were >> apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group >> only >> had one solitary sole. >>> It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A >>> members >> (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the >> continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be >> increased to six paid up members. >>> I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be >> acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is >> not >> the 'official' rule. >>> There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of >> land. >>> This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the >>> minimum >> member numbers to six. >>> Martin >>> >>>> >>>> Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ >> >>>> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members >>>> to >> form >>>> a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. >>>> Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would >>>> say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 >>>> enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. >>>> My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in >>>> one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to >>>> gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at >>>> 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking >>>> back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is >>>> vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying >>>> the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they >>>> drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. >>>> -- Tracie >>>> >>>>> Message: 16 >>>>> Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT >>>> >>>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>>> So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of >>>> Biloxi? Do we have a >>>>> nucleus for a group? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 02:06:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:06:39 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030626151225.027f8d00@pop.cs.vassar.edu> <001101c33d68$14f94740$c1702052@kim1> <001f01c33d8b$8e20f960$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <021401c33d9d$bbb5cec0$c1702052@kim1> <000901c33da6$bdd64eb0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <006701c33dac$42822300$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000701c33dda$b26b09b0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Uh, oh! Kim, the cat is out of the bag! ROFL Jennifer From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 02:09:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:09:39 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Mail? References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C33DA0.71322800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright, Ian. come clean! I want to hear all about those stories, = too... Jennifer ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C33DA0.71322800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alright, Ian.  come clean!  I = want to=20 hear all about those stories, too... Jennifer =
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C33DA0.71322800-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 03:31:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (ed somers) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:31:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant In-Reply-To: <6AD4D35F-A8B8-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030628223148.0080ead0@pop.gwi.net> Hi, I am Ed Somers who studied the Vikings in a past life. Currently I am a timber framer and carpenter who enjoys using hand tools. I am interested in the New England group, but living in Maine cant regularly get that far south. If there was a chance of soomething in NH Id love to try it. I work alone and have a family so I have little time, though great interest for activities. I also used to do boat building and once contacted Hurstwic about replica boats. Id love to help with a viking/AS hall. Ed. At 12:00 PM 06/27/2003 -0400, Matthew Marino wrote: >Well, the point of the SCA is to reproduce the more pleasant aspect of >medieval European life. Social climbing and fief building were an >essential part of that. Done in a good natured way it can't do any >harm. I've thought of doing it myself someday as I am in Bergental but >barely. Kind of away from the rest of the Barony but also far from the >centers at Quintavia. Don't see why the King should object to a >productive Manse in the foothills as long as it is loyal and can >provide the required tithe and men for the campaigns. I think it was a >great part of Aelfred's genuis. Talk about a huge area just desperate >for some entertaining, yet cultural activity. But, I don't fancy the >Baron would like to loose such large holding and a good supply of >timber and fierce fighting men. > > >OK. What do we have in South Central Mass, North East CT, South Vermont >and NH. Let's do a roll call and I'll consider a secret meeting at my >home in Warren Ma. Just off the 90/84 interchange 1.5hrs ride from >Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Brattleboro(SP?) and >Nashua( without heavy traffic.) We boast fine dining, a breezy 37acres >of mixed hardwood forest and a fine swimming pool. I find that my >number of friends increases proportionately with the temperature. :-)) > >A roll call with good and bad dates and preference for period or modern >meeting is in order!! > > > > > >On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:44 AM, crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > >> 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you >> can't go >> much more than 10, I'd think. >> >> The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and >> I >> have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and >> apply >> for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We >> cover >> some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing >> evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, >> have >> fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to >> explain that >> this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... >> >> As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) >> >> --charlotte mayhew >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM >> Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >> >> >>> Hi Bill >>> At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and >> agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 >> members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. >>> As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were >> apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group >> only >> had one solitary sole. >>> It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A >>> members >> (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the >> continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be >> increased to six paid up members. >>> I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be >> acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is >> not >> the 'official' rule. >>> There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of >> land. >>> This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the >>> minimum >> member numbers to six. >>> Martin >>> >>>> >>>> Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ >> >>>> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members >>>> to >> form >>>> a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. >>>> Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would >>>> say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 >>>> enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. >>>> My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in >>>> one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to >>>> gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at >>>> 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking >>>> back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is >>>> vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying >>>> the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they >>>> drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. >>>> -- Tracie >>>> >>>>> Message: 16 >>>>> Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT >>>> >>>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>>> So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of >>>> Biloxi? Do we have a >>>>> nucleus for a group? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 17:42:03 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:42:03 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C33E65.C00CF700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Alright, Ian. come clean! I want to hear all about those stories, = too... Jennifer=20 I will try to be brief - which as many might tell you is not one of my = strong points. :-s About the helicopter. I was a Royal Maringe Officer and I was training = to be a pilot Royal in 1965 and was on the last week of my course = before being awarded my pilot's wings. We had to do a night cross = country flight over some hills near Salisbury in the South of England. = I flew the trip with an instructor, and then went to do the same trip = solo. During this time the weather got worse and it started to rain. We = were supposed to fly at 1800 feet (the hills were 600 feet high) but at = 1500 feet I flew into cloud. The helicopter did not have blind flying = instruments so I descended to 1200 ft to be clear of the cloud and = radio'd to say what had happened and I was told to continue, which I = did. Then the rain got very heavy and I could hear it on the bubble = (the helicopter was a Sioux similar to the ones on the TV program = "Mash") I was only 600 ft above the hill and I did not realise that I = was losing height and I flew into the top of the hill :-( The = helicopter broke up on impact and the fuel tank came through the cockpit = and removed my flying helmet by breaking the chinstrap. But I was very = lucky and mostly received minor injuries - a badly cut hand and two = broken ribs and many bruises mostly caused by the seat belts and helmet = chinstrap. But I did have more serious internal injuries, as my spleen = was ruptured and by the time I was operated on, I had lost 4.5pints of = blood. But I got better and I finished my flying training and flew for = 5 years, even flying a member of the Royal Family as a passenger - Lord = Mountbatten. (I will send you a picture of the dead helicopter to your = private address Jennifer) When I left the Royal Marines I decided to join the Reserves and as such = had the opportunity to do a parachute course. I had almost completed = that when I had a bad landing and injured my leg causing me to limp for = about 9 months. 2 years later I was offered the chance to do a = parachute jump into the sea near Liverpool. I borrowed a "wet suit" and = was in the back of a lorry about to go to the airfield to get into the = plane when I saw a friend and wanted to talk to him. I started to climb = over the tailgate just as someone removed the securing pins and fell 7 = ft to the road surface, landing on my side hurting my leg and arm. As I = lay there in some pain a voice from above in a broad Liverpool accent = said "If you are not going to jump, sir, can I borrow your wetsuit?" It = was the person who had removed the pin. I declined his offer and = carried on to complete the jump. I only had to limp for 6 months after = that one ! :-)=20 Now I do safer things - I am a Viking, and sometimes a Saxon. Ian Uzzell ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C33E65.C00CF700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Alright, Ian.  come = clean!  I want=20 to hear all about those stories, too... Jennifer
 
I will try to be brief - which as many = might tell=20 you is not one of my strong points. :-s
 
About the helicopter.  I was a = Royal Maringe=20 Officer and I was training to be a pilot Royal  in 1965 and = was on the=20 last week of my course before being awarded my pilot's wings.  We = had to do=20 a night cross country flight over some hills near Salisbury in the South = of=20 England.  I flew the trip with an instructor, and then went to do = the same=20 trip solo.  During this time the weather got worse and it started = to rain.=20 We were supposed to fly at 1800 feet (the hills were 600 feet high) but = at 1500=20 feet I flew into cloud.  The helicopter did not have blind flying=20 instruments so I descended to 1200 ft to be clear of the cloud and = radio'd to=20 say what had happened and I was told to continue, which I did.  = Then the=20 rain got very heavy and I could hear it on the bubble (the helicopter = was a=20 Sioux similar to the ones on the TV program "Mash") I was only 600 ft = above the=20 hill and I did not realise that I was losing height and I flew into the = top of=20 the hill :-(  The helicopter broke up on impact and the fuel tank = came=20 through the cockpit and removed my flying helmet by breaking the=20 chinstrap.  But I was very lucky and mostly received minor injuries = - a=20 badly cut hand and two broken ribs and many bruises mostly caused by the = seat=20 belts and helmet chinstrap.  But I did have more serious internal = injuries,=20 as my spleen was ruptured and by the time I was operated on, I had lost = 4.5pints=20 of blood.  But I got better and I finished my flying training and = flew for=20 5 years, even flying a member of the Royal Family as a passenger - Lord=20 Mountbatten.  (I will send you a picture of the dead helicopter to = your=20 private address Jennifer)
 
When I left the Royal Marines I decided = to join the=20 Reserves and as such had the opportunity to do a parachute course.  = I had=20 almost completed that when I had a bad landing and injured my leg = causing me to=20 limp for about 9 months.  2 years later I was offered the chance to = do a=20 parachute jump into the sea near Liverpool.  I borrowed a "wet = suit" and=20 was in the back of a lorry about to go to the airfield to get into the = plane=20 when I saw a friend and wanted to talk to him.  I started to climb = over the=20 tailgate just as someone removed the securing pins and fell 7 ft to the = road=20 surface, landing on my side hurting my leg and arm.  As I lay there = in some=20 pain a voice from above in a broad Liverpool accent said "If you are not = going=20 to jump, sir, can I borrow your wetsuit?"  It was the person = who had=20 removed the pin.  I declined his offer and carried on to complete = the=20 jump.  I only had to limp for 6 months after that one !=20 :-) 
 
Now I do safer things - I am a Viking, = and=20 sometimes a Saxon.
 
Ian = Uzzell
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C33E65.C00CF700-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 17:51:59 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:51:59 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> Message-ID: <005f01c33e5e$c21b68d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C33E24.155606D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian: I am amazed you survived, esp after seeing the pictures. I can = certainly see that being a berserker Viking is a much safer occupation. = Jennifer ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C33E24.155606D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ian:  I am amazed you survived, = esp after=20 seeing the pictures.  I can certainly see that being a = berserker=20 Viking is a much safer occupation. <G> =20 Jennifer
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C33E24.155606D0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 17:53:54 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Hazel Uzzell) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:53:54 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001e01c33e5f$0667ff80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C33E67.67E1A2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And that's just the tip of the iceberg! A long suffering..... Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C33E67.67E1A2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And that's just the tip of the=20 iceberg!
A long suffering.....
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C33E67.67E1A2E0-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 18:16:45 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:16:45 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> <005f01c33e5e$c21b68d0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Message-ID: <009601c33e62$37a6c7e0$88584f51@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C33E6A.9938D540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It certainly is! :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Hill=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" Ian: I am amazed you survived, esp after seeing the pictures. I can = certainly see that being a berserker Viking is a much safer occupation. = Jennifer ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C33E6A.9938D540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It certainly is! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Hill
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 = 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Re: = [Regia-NA]Was=20 Mail - now "coming clean"

Ian:  I am amazed you survived, = esp after=20 seeing the pictures.  I can certainly see that being a = berserker=20 Viking is a much safer occupation. <G> =20 Jennifer
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C33E6A.9938D540-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 21:30:15 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jon Smith) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:30:15 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" In-Reply-To: <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C33E85.A1970F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Alright, Ian. come clean! I want to hear all about those stories, too... Jennifer HOUSE :) Do we win...we've filled all the boxes in our Snorri bingo card :) Jon+Jenny --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18/06/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C33E85.A1970F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Alright, Ian.  come clean!  I want to = hear all=20 about those stories, too... Jennifer
HOUSE=20 :) 
 
Do we=20 win...we've filled all the boxes in our Snorri bingo card = :)
 
Jon+Jenny
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C33E85.A1970F70-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 22:02:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:02:23 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <20030628234406.97451.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c33ddb$1df78a00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> <004301c33e5d$5e841160$88584f51@mshome.net> <001e01c33e5f$0667ff80$0200a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000d01c33e81$bd08ce00$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C33E47.10378520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROFL Ahhh, the tales we wives could tell........ Jennifer And that's just the tip of the iceberg! A long suffering..... Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C33E47.10378520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ROFL  Ahhh, the tales we wives = could=20 tell........  Jennifer
And that's just the tip of the=20 iceberg!
A long suffering.....
Hazel
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C33E47.10378520-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 22:54:40 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Frojel Gotlandica) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:54:40 +1000 Subject: [Regia-NA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200306280004.h5S04ZGW029037@grape.dcsi.net.au> Message-ID: <200306292145.h5TLj5GW018056@grape.dcsi.net.au> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20All=20F.Y.I. Dear=20Viking=20friends, Finally,=20we=20have=20our=20next=20CD-R=20about=20Viking=20objects=20read= y.=20It=20deals=20with=20Viking=20Knives,=20and=20contains=20 pictures=20and=20drawings,=20as=20well=20as=20detailed=20images=20of=20rea= l=20as=20well=20as=20reconstructed=20knives.=20As=20usual,=20there=20are=20= also=20high=20resolution=20photos,=20possible=20to=20zoom=20to=20show=20de= tails=20of=20the=20different=20knives.Please=20visit=20 www.arkeodok.com. I=20would=20also=20like=20to=20take=20the=20opportunity=20to=20inform=20yo= u=20about=20Viking=20History=20courses=20run=20by=20Gotland=20 University.=20We=20are=20in=20a=20couple=20of=20weeks=20beginning=20this=20= summer=B4s=20excavation=20course=20of=20the=20Viking=20Port=20of=20 Trade=20at=20Frojel.=20Later=20on=20in=20autumn,=20there=20will=20be=20an=20= Internet=20course=20about=20Viking=20society,=20followed=20next=20 spring=20with=20another=20Internet=20based=20course,=20as=20well=20as=20a=20= new=20summer=20excavation=20course=20of=20the=20Viking=20trading=20 place=20at=20Frojel.=20For=20more=20information=20and=20for=20register=20t= o=20the=20courses,=20please=20go=20to=20www.hgo.se,=20and=20the=20 English=20pages.=20Keep=20in=20mind=20that=20joining=20a=20Swedish=20unive= rsity=20course=20is=20always=20free=20of=20charge,=20except=20for=20a=20 small=20fee=20to=20the=20students=20union. Yours=20Truly Dan=20Carlsson Fr=94jel=20Gotlandica=20Viking=20Re-enactment=20Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20All=20F.Y.I.


>
Dear=20Viking=20friends,
Finally,=20we=20have=20our=20next=20CD-R=20about=20Viking=20objects=20read= y.=20It=20deals=20with=20Viking=20Knives,=20and=20contains=20pictures=20an= d=20drawings,=20as=20well=20as=20detailed=20images=20of=20real=20as=20well= =20as=20reconstructed=20knives.=20As=20usual,=20there=20are=20also=20high=20= resolution=20photos,=20possible=20to=20zoom=20to=20show=20details=20of=20t= he=20different=20knives.Please=20visit=20www.ark= eodok.com.

I=20would=20also=20like=20to=20take=20the=20opportunity=20to=20inform=20yo= u=20about=20Viking=20History=20courses=20run=20by=20Gotland=20University.=20= We=20are=20in=20a=20couple=20of=20weeks=20beginning=20this=20summer=B4s=20= excavation=20course=20of=20the=20Viking=20Port=20of=20Trade=20at=20Frojel.= =20Later=20on=20in=20autumn,=20there=20will=20be=20an=20Internet=20course=20= about=20Viking=20society,=20followed=20next=20spring=20with=20another=20In= ternet=20based=20course,=20as=20well=20as=20a=20new=20summer=20excavation=20= course=20of=20the=20Viking=20trading=20place=20at=20Frojel.=20For=20more=20= information=20and=20for=20register=20to=20the=20courses,=20please=20go=20t= o=20www.hgo.se,=20and=20the=20English=20pages.=20Keep=20in=20mind=20that=20j= oining=20a=20Swedish=20university=20course=20is=20always=20free=20of=20cha= rge,=20except=20for=20a=20small=20fee=20to=20the=20students=20union.

Yours=20Truly
Dan=20Carlsson


Fr=F6jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
http://www.frojel.com/
frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5361864=_=_=_-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Sun Jun 29 22:50:43 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Ian Uzzell) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:50:43 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: Message-ID: <00de01c33e88$7d9fb9c0$88584f51@mshome.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C33E90.DF31C720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not think that it counts when there is someone who has not heard = the story before -And has REQUESTED that the story be told. :-) btw, are there any published rules for Snorri or Kim Bingo? Ian (Snorri) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Smith=20 To: list-regia-na@lig.net=20 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" > Alright, Ian. come clean! I want to hear all about those stories, = too... Jennifer=20 HOUSE :)=20 Do we win...we've filled all the boxes in our Snorri bingo card :) Jon+Jenny ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C33E90.DF31C720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not think that it counts when = there is someone=20 who has not heard the story before -And has REQUESTED that the story be = told.=20 :-)
 
btw, are there any published rules for = Snorri or=20 Kim Bingo?
 
Ian
(Snorri)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jon=20 Smith
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 = 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] Re: = [Regia-NA]Was=20 Mail - now "coming clean"

> Alright, Ian.  come clean!  I want = to hear=20 all about those stories, too... Jennifer
HOUSE=20 :) 
 
Do we=20 win...we've filled all the boxes in our Snorri bingo card=20 :)
 
Jon+Jenny
------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C33E90.DF31C720-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 08:29:16 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:29:16 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF020138E9@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> *It is, I note further, a truth that a man in possession of some =A370 = per annum (and paying a mere 22 pence ha'penny in geld...) should find in himself a desire for more and broader acres....* Shhhh! You'll give away my secret...we've got it pretty good here in Suffolk. Bill _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 08:42:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:42:07 -0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Bacon Sandwiches Message-ID: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF020138FD@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Bacon here is quite different than that in the US. It really does make a world of difference in a bacon sandwich (not BLT). Kim will be the first to attest to that! Bill, who can enjoy a good bacon bap at anytime of the day, in any weather conditions! From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 09:33:05 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J K Siddorn) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:33:05 +0100 Subject: [Regia-NA] Bacon Sandwiches References: <7A1A093573D715499369B802B70917DF020138FD@fsqfqe05.mildenhall.af.mil> Message-ID: <008201c33ee2$3a128890$c1702052@kim1> Yerst. We were on the West Coast for three weeks over Christmas last year and I was surprised to find that "bacon" is restricted to what we call "streaky" over here. I did look pretty extensively in supermarkets from Las Vegas to Vancouver ......... Bacon in the UK is quite different and you can buy it smoked or unsmoked, dry or wet cured, with rind or without and in a wide range of types such as streaky, long back, best back, high back, collar, medium and gammon. When I was in Denmark some years ago, I was similarly surprised to find they only have chunks of streaky bacon for home slicing. Regards, Kim Siddorn Bacon is a friend in the salad bowl of life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tate William T Jr TSgt 352 OSS/SCSC" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [Regia-NA] Bacon Sandwiches > Bacon here is quite different than that in the US. It really does make a > world of difference in a bacon sandwich (not BLT). Kim will be the first to > attest to that! > > Bill, who can enjoy a good bacon bap at anytime of the day, in any weather > conditions! > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 09:45:34 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Jeanne) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Bacon Sandwiches In-Reply-To: <008201c33ee2$3a128890$c1702052@kim1> Message-ID: Bacon in the UK is quite different and you can buy it smoked or unsmoked, dry or wet cured, with rind or without and in a wide range of types such as streaky, long back, best back, high back, collar, medium and gammon. In the Deep South, New Orleans to be exact, we have THICK cut bacon for our pot of red beans! But I'd love to go for a visit to ya'll. My ex-MIL was from Tonbridge Wells and I prayed daily for her NOT to cook Xmas dinner. She couldn't cook if her life depended on it! When she first moved to the US in the 1950s after she married Archie, she said she read an article in the Times-Picayune newspaper that said you can cook a bird in a large brown paper bag. Now we do that for Quail and Capon and birds like that. Kinda like cooking in parchment or foil. BUT, not Di! No, she thought she could cook Thanksgiving turkey in it. Took the New Orleans Fire Department 4 hours to put out the fire! The paper bag caught fire and she had gone back to bed as it takes several HOURS to cook a turkey! Thank goodness for alert neighbors! She did get to meet several nice ones she said! Soffya Appollonia Tudja http://www.aeonline.biz/Links.htm Argent, a patriarchal cross between three crescent gules on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys Or From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 14:35:23 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:35:23 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] sailing Viking ships Message-ID: Hi, All Managed to get back from Denmark alive and undrowned - despite my best efforts! Seriously brilliant fun If anyone wants to learn how to truly sail a longship, then I recommend that they go on the course that I attended. It'll be run again next year, so you've got plenty of time to save up! Proper instruction on traditional boats from day one, backed up by lectures from a veritable who's who of Danish boat archeology and reconstruction. I learnt so much that I feel like I've been there a week, rather than a month..... Plus the boat museum, of course, and the Skuldev 2/4 replica that is nearing the end of it's consruction. (It'll be launched next year - they could launch it sooner, but it brings in the tourists). Once they have got up suitable sea trials (probably 2007) they plan to sail it to Ireland, where the original came from. They may need crew....) Hpefully I'll be able to scribble down something of what I've learned so that we'll be able to put it into practice on our ship replicas (I'll have to have a word with Phil and Kim on a few things...). The thing is, it's impossible to write down what has to be learned by the seat of your pants, by example, and by trying things out. Let me just repeat, this is a seriously good course. Although not designed for the Re-enactor, it seemed to fit (even if Poul, the chief instructor was a little bemused by the concept....) Most of the the attendees were re-enactors, and there was a good feeling running throughout the whole of the week. No experience is necesary - just the desire to get stuck in. If you have any interest in Longships at all, this is the course to go on. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 16:08:01 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (ed somers) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:08:01 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] # members for land grant In-Reply-To: <6AD4D35F-A8B8-11D7-99F7-003065FB5E90@citystamp.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030630110801.0082aad0@pop.gwi.net> Hi, I am Ed Somers who studied the Vikings in a past life. Currently I am a timber framer and carpenter who enjoys using hand tools. I am interested in the New England group, but living in Maine cant regularly get that far south. If there was a chance of soomething in NH Id love to try it. I work alone and have a family so I have little time, though great interest for activities. I also used to do boat building and once contacted Hurstwic about replica boats. Id love to help with a viking/AS hall. Ed. At 12:00 PM 06/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Well, the point of the SCA is to reproduce the more pleasant aspect of >medieval European life. Social climbing and fief building were an >essential part of that. Done in a good natured way it can't do any >harm. I've thought of doing it myself someday as I am in Bergental but >barely. Kind of away from the rest of the Barony but also far from the >centers at Quintavia. Don't see why the King should object to a >productive Manse in the foothills as long as it is loyal and can >provide the required tithe and men for the campaigns. I think it was a >great part of Aelfred's genuis. Talk about a huge area just desperate >for some entertaining, yet cultural activity. But, I don't fancy the >Baron would like to loose such large holding and a good supply of >timber and fierce fighting men. > > >OK. What do we have in South Central Mass, North East CT, South Vermont >and NH. Let's do a roll call and I'll consider a secret meeting at my >home in Warren Ma. Just off the 90/84 interchange 1.5hrs ride from >Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Albany, Brattleboro(SP?) and >Nashua( without heavy traffic.) We boast fine dining, a breezy 37acres >of mixed hardwood forest and a fine swimming pool. I find that my >number of friends increases proportionately with the temperature. :-)) > >A roll call with good and bad dates and preference for period or modern >meeting is in order!! > > > > > >On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:44 AM, crmayhew@hotmail.com wrote: > >> 6 sounds like a reasonable number. Because of our distances, you >> can't go >> much more than 10, I'd think. >> >> The # of paid members required for an SCA Canton is 5. My husband and >> I >> have been threatening for years to seceed from our local Barony and >> apply >> for Canton status on the basis that our family could be a canton. We >> cover >> some of the requirements such as holding regular activities like sewing >> evenings where everyone gets new garb, have leather-working sessions, >> have >> fight practice, etc. The local Baron keeps patiently trying to >> explain that >> this is not the *intention* of the SCA rules... >> >> As I'm sure that Regia NA's rule are not intended in the same way. :) >> >> --charlotte mayhew >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Wrom: LEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKE >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:19 AM >> Subject: Re: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >> >> >>> Hi Bill >>> At our N.A. AGM held at the Pensic Wars last year it was proposed and >> agreed between the assembled folc that the former minimum number of 3 >> members required to apply for a grant of land was too small. >>> As an example, a N.A. group folded because 2 of the 3 members were >> apparently husband and wife and when they left this particular group >> only >> had one solitary sole. >>> It was also felt that in view of the greater distances between N.A >>> members >> (even within any grant of land) and in order to better facilitate the >> continuity of any group, that the mininum number of members should be >> increased to six paid up members. >>> I imagine that if a good case were made then five members might be >> acceptable but I hasten to add that this is my slant on things and is >> not >> the 'official' rule. >>> There is no restriction on distance between members within a grant of >> land. >>> This was one of the reasons for the subsequent decision to up the >>> minimum >> member numbers to six. >>> Martin >>> >>>> >>>> Wrom: DOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJ >> >>>> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 02:52:00 EST >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, by the Code of Law, we need 3 paid members >>>> to >> form >>>> a group, but I don't think there is a distance restriction. Is Mr. >>>> Lawspeaker on this group to confirm this? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> Wrom: MVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVI >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:39 PM >>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm about 6 hrs away, but from reading this list I would >>>> say that there are at least 3 folks closer than I am. Is 5 >>>> enough for that nucleus? I'm willing to make the drive. >>>> My octogenarian parents are, even as we speak, staying in >>>> one of those casino hotels in Bay St. Louis, but not to >>>> gamble. Dad is at Stennis Space Center on business (yes, at >>>> 81 he still works! And has fun at it.) and Mom is kicking >>>> back doing needlework, reading and people watching. She is >>>> vastly amused by the casino crowd, and they are both enjoying >>>> the food. And they didn't drive a land barge down there, they >>>> drove Mom's 4-wheel drive Jeep. >>>> -- Tracie >>>> >>>>> Message: 16 >>>>> Wrom: BGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT >>>> >>>>> To: list-regia-na@lig.net >>>>> Subject: RE: [Regia-NA] RE: Was sprang BILOXI >>>> >>>>> So home many persons are withing a couple of hours of >>>> Biloxi? Do we have a >>>>> nucleus for a group? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> list-regia-na mailing list >>>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> list-regia-na mailing list >>> list-regia-na@lig.net >>> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> list-regia-na mailing list >> list-regia-na@lig.net >> http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na >> > >_______________________________________________ >list-regia-na mailing list >list-regia-na@lig.net >http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 16:57:31 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Patrick Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: sailing Viking ships Message-ID: <3330662.1056988651614.JavaMail.gabrielherald@mac.com> Hi there, De-lurking here, I'm Patrick, known in the SCA as Gabriel, and I REALLY love ships. :) >If anyone wants to learn how to truly sail a longship, then I recommend that >they go on the course that I attended. It'll be run again next year, so >you've got plenty of time to save up! Proper instruction on traditional >boats from day one, backed up by lectures from a veritable who's who of >Danish boat archeology and reconstruction. I learnt so much that I feel >like I've been there a week, rather than a month..... > What course is that? I missed the posts saying where you were going. Patrick -- Patrick Anderson gabrielherald@mac.com "Often the surest way to convey misinformation is to tell the strict truth." Mark Twain - Following the Equator From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 17:10:46 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Steve Etheridge) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: sailing Viking ships Message-ID: >From: Patrick Anderson > >Hi there, > >De-lurking here, I'm Patrick, known in the SCA as Gabriel, and I REALLY >love ships. :) >What course is that? I missed the posts saying where you were going. > Hi, Patrick (and anyone else) The course is called "how to sail the single square sail" and it is run for a week by the Viking Ship Museum, Roskilde, Denmark. The course is in English (thankfully!) Check out www.vikingskibsmuseet.dk for info on the next couse, or email Poul Nygaard directly at pn@vikingeskibsmuseet.dk They resolutely fail to advertise this course, so the only way that anyone knows that it's going on is by word of mouth, and they were close to cancelling this year due to lack of interest - until enough people showd up! Anyone need a potted guide to the easiest way of doing things in Denmark (that I discovererd, at any rate), let me know Steve. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 21:31:48 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (Tracie Brown) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:31:48 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] British Bacon Message-ID: <1ad10f09.9c3d4eab.819c200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> I've had this stuff before in the States, and a quick search turned up: http://www.britishbacon.com/ Apparently they have a retail outlet at the Farmers' Market in Lumberton NC. Anyone ever been there? -- Tracie From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 21:45:49 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?mik=20lawson?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:45:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Regia-NA] British Bacon In-Reply-To: <1ad10f09.9c3d4eab.819c200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <20030630204549.19021.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> --0-874028956-1057005949=:18983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At last,a non regia site dedicated to Kims other intrest in life.Do you think it's possible to take a contract out on someone using Bacon & getting Kim to do the deed?Are we talking large amounts of pork stuff on a bun or are we talking entire pigs to convince Kim to do a hit?Incidently,the local ad paper has two pot bellied pigs free to good home. Now apart from me,who do we hit?No don't answer that one. Regards, Mik Tracie Brown wrote: I've had this stuff before in the States, and a quick search turned up: http://www.britishbacon.com/ Apparently they have a retail outlet at the Farmers' Market in Lumberton NC. Anyone ever been there? -- Tracie _______________________________________________ list-regia-na mailing list list-regia-na@lig.net http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na To kill & to kill again ; just to make sure! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience --0-874028956-1057005949=:18983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
At last,a non regia site dedicated to Kims other intrest in life.Do you think it's possible to take a contract out on someone using Bacon & getting Kim to do the deed?Are we talking large amounts of pork stuff on a bun or are we talking entire pigs to convince Kim to do a hit?Incidently,the local ad paper has two pot bellied pigs free to good home.
Now apart from me,who do we hit?No don't answer that one.
Regards,
Mik

Tracie Brown <trbrown@uga.edu> wrote:
I've had this stuff before in the States, and a quick
search turned up:

http://www.britishbacon.com/

Apparently they have a retail outlet at the Farmers'
Market in Lumberton NC. Anyone ever been there?

-- Tracie

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--0-874028956-1057005949=:18983-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 22:43:39 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (rmhowe) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] Julius Caesar tonite on TNT. Message-ID: <3F00AF0B.9040808@bellsouth.net> Julius Caesar tonite on TNT. 8pm eastern standard time with the usual re-run just afterwards at 10 pm. Medieval House from mundane on Monster House on Discovery at 8pm. Magnus From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 23:22:14 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] new sewing machine Message-ID: <008401c33f56$0f75c6a0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> New to me! a Pfaff 360 machine... all steel everything... tents should be no problem! I am soooo psyched! Newly re-conditioned, a year's warranty. Also, I found some canvas in my stash... maroon & grey... which will give us a chance to make a mock-up of the geteld. Plus, if it works out, I shall have an almost free geteld. That way, when DH insists on a Marquee for camping together, we won't have overspent the tent budget already. Yrs, Jennifer Jennifer Hill Ælfgifu Wes ðu hal. From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 23:26:07 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:26:07 EDT Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" Message-ID: <1ca.cd3e8ae.2c3212ff@aol.com> --part1_1ca.cd3e8ae.2c3212ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/2003 5:52:58 PM GMT Daylight Time, welshladygwen@citlink.net writes: > Ian: I am amazed you survived, esp after seeing the pictures. I can > certainly see that being a berserker Viking is a much safer occupation. > Ah, but he still indulges his love of danger by going into schools on a regular basis.... Aly "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" GK Chesterton --part1_1ca.cd3e8ae.2c3212ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/29/2003 5:52:58 PM GMT Da= ylight Time, welshladygwen@citlink.net writes:


Ian:  I am amazed you=20= survived, esp after seeing the pictures.  I can certainly see that bein= g a berserker Viking is a much safer occupation. <G>  Jennifer

Ah, but he still indulges his love of danger by going into schools on a=20= regular basis....

Aly

"Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly"=20
GK Chesterton --part1_1ca.cd3e8ae.2c3212ff_boundary-- From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 23:28:25 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:28:25 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] British Bacon References: <1ad10f09.9c3d4eab.819c200@punts2.cc.uga.edu> Message-ID: <00a501c33f56$ecb491e0$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> Is this stuff like salt pork? It looks pretty hefty! One piece & you could push those marauding Danes right off into the sea! Jennifer > I've had this stuff before in the States, and a quick > search turned up: > > http://www.britishbacon.com/ From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 23:32:55 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (list-regia-na@lig.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Regia-NA] British Bacon Message-ID: <20030630223255.UBMR19558.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.18]> I guess Kim favours bacon over the great British banger - www.bangers.co.uk Ok, I think its time for some UK // N.A translation in as much as bangers are sausages. Martin. > > From: Tracie Brown > Date: 2003/06/30 Mon PM 04:31:48 EST > To: list-regia-na@lig.net > Subject: [Regia-NA] British Bacon > > I've had this stuff before in the States, and a quick > search turned up: > > http://www.britishbacon.com/ > > Apparently they have a retail outlet at the Farmers' > Market in Lumberton NC. Anyone ever been there? > > -- Tracie > > _______________________________________________ > list-regia-na mailing list > list-regia-na@lig.net > http://www.lig.net/mailman/listinfo/list-regia-na > From list-regia-na@lig.net Mon Jun 30 23:34:00 2003 From: list-regia-na@lig.net (J Hill) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Regia-NA] Re: [Regia-NA]Was Mail - now "coming clean" References: <1ca.cd3e8ae.2c3212ff@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d701c33f57$b4105620$01fea8c0@yourn3ty7athd5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C33F1D.0737E150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AAACKKKKKKK I would gladly pay to NOT have to go into a school! I will = only venture therein if suitably bribed w/ cookies & tea & lots of moral = support... i.e. a Saxon thegn at either elbow "encouraging" me. ROFL Jennifer Ah, but he still indulges his love of danger by going into schools on a = regular basis....=20 Aly=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C33F1D.0737E150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AAACKKKKKKK  I would gladly pay to NOT = have to go=20 into a school!  I will only venture therein if suitably bribed w/ = cookies=20 & tea & lots of moral support... i.e. a Saxon thegn at either = elbow=20 "encouraging" me. ROFL
Jennifer
 
 

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