[Regia-NA] Danish Rulers thanks.
Chris Knight
list-regia-na@lig.net
Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:01:43 -0700
Thank you for the help and all, I'll deffinatley have to see if my local
library carries that book you mentiond.
many thanks.
Chris Knight
>From: "Hrolf Douglasson" <Hrolf@btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
>To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
>Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Danish Rulers question.
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:59:17 +0100
>
>Sjelland is these days known as Sealand (I think), and not to be confused
>with that Zeeland in the netherlands. It is the biggest island in the Belt
>that stretches across the top of Germany through the Baltic, and is the
>site
>of modern Copenhagen. Jutland, on the other hand, is the bit of Europe
>sticking up from Germany/ Netherlands, and thus Mainland.
> There is, or was, a book I got hold of once, titled, I think, "Viking
>Age Denmark"; it may have been by Glob, famous for work on the bog bodies.
>This was a good read; I should never have taken it back!! :-) It postulated
>from grave sites that Jutland was a separate kingdom for most of the Viking
>Age, even into Gorm and Harald Bluetooth's time, and when the "Marcher
>Lords", who guarded the edges, died, they were buried on-the-job, as it
>were, so that protection and service to the king continued even into
>death.
>Very Christian!
> When the great Army invaded, in Alfred's day, it had a multitude of
>leaders, including various alleged sons of the semi-legendary Ragnar
>Lodbrok. A swift scan through the Anglo-saxon Chronicles shows the ease
>with
>which the various warbands within it broke up and re-formed at whim. The
>treaty of Wedmore was between Alfred and one Guthrum, who, if I remember
>correctly, is otherwise unknown to history, so he may have been acting as
>overking- or main sponsor!
> The situation is different by the time Sven Forkbeard arrives: here is
>a
>definite Royal Army, bent on conquest, but still, possibly, from a king of
>less than "all" denmark-but remember that, for a lot of the time, one or
>other of the Denmarks included lumps of Norwegian and/ or Swedish kingdoms.
>
> It gets murkier the further you go...
>
> Hrolf the lost
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Knight" <knight1066@hotmail.com>
>To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Danish Rulers question.
>
>
> > thanks for the help. the reason I brought up the Heimskringla is they
> > mention Gorm the old as the king of denmark in passing. Could you tell
>me
> > more about sjelland ? did they have different kings then Denmark were
>they
> > totally independant from jutland ? And when the Danish great army
>invaded
> > England and eventually formed the Danelaw, who lead them?
> > If you can help me with this I'd appreciate it.
> > Thanks for the help.
> > Chris Knight
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hrolf Douglasson" <Hrolf@btinternet.com>
> > >Reply-To: list-regia-na@lig.net
> > >To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [Regia-NA] Danish Rulers question.
> > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:26:47 +0100
> > >
> > >Off the top of my head, 'cos it's late, and I can't find the book...
> > >
> > > ...but isn't Heimskringla the Norwegian kings anyway? Not
>necessarily
> > >accurate for either of the denmarks of the day...
> > >
> > > ...but... I am assuming your date of 950 for the demise of Gorm
>the
> > >old
> > >is from Harald Bluetooth's stone at Jelling. This is probablt
>innaccurate,
> > >as the stone itself is dated, I believe, to 945, and was erected after
> > >Harald had (we think) exhumed both his parents from their mounds, and
> > >reburied them under his nice, shiny new church...lovely man, he
>deserved
> > >everything he got.
> > > According to Gwyn Jones (A History of the Vikings,1990 edition), a
> > >Harald (son of Harald Klak) and a Horik (son of that Godfred credited
>with
> > >the Danevirke barrier) ruled jointly or apart until 827, then Horik
>ruled
> > >alone until 853 or 4, when killed in battle.(Harald and his kin made
>pacts
> > >with the franks, and ended up with large lumps of Frisia).
> > > Horik was succeeded by ....Horik the Younger!!! Soon there was a
> > >Viking
> > >named Rorik calling himself king of southern Jutland, and by 873, the
> > >brothers Sigfred and Halfdan were known as two Danish kings among many
> > >other
> > >minor ones. Two more kings died in battle in 891, a Sigfred and a
> > >Godfred...good here, innit?
> > > Gorm the Old appears to have risen to some sort of prominence
>around
> > >936, but he may not have been alone, for all that the smaller stone at
> > >Jelling (that he erected to Thyri after her death) makes the first
>recorded
> > >use of "Denmark" As I said earlier, the later stone itself dates to
>around
> > >945-950, by which time Gorm was dead and his son was claiming to have
>made
> > >all the Danes Christian. For myself, I suspect that "Denmark"
>translates
> > >more accurately as "Jutland", and that the sea-kings of Sjelland and
>the
> > >other islands in the Belt carried on much as before.
> > >
> > > Hope this hasn't muddied the waters too much!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Hrolf the confused
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Chris Knight" <knight1066@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <list-regia-na@lig.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:47 AM
> > >Subject: [Regia-NA] Danish Rulers question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have been doing researching about the ruler(s) of Denmark from
> > >around
> > > > 814 to 890 and cant seem to confirm any information I find.
>According
>to
> > >my
> > > > copy of the Heimskringla my best bet is king Gorm the old. But
>according
> > >to
> > > > the medieval scandinavia website it's listed as follows:
> > > > 814-854 Harik I
> > > > 854-870 Harik II
> > > > 870-890 Halfdan
> > > > 890- ? ?
> > > > ?-950 Gorm the old
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone on the list have any Ideas or information on if
> > >this
> > > > royal line is accurate or not? or can point me in the right
>direction
> > >for
> > > > further research?
> > > > thanks for the help.
> > > > Chris Knight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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